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oh so true, of all the people I've come to know in the last few years - the one I respect and admire the most has absolutely no money at all :-)
>>By Lynn (Thursday, 21 Jun 2007 22:16)
Please, lv2read... who inspires people more?>>>
The most heralded would be those that provide jobs...above all Bill Gates of Microsoft. After that
it would be the Tony Blairs of thgis world. But, no, not waste you time in school and NOT learn a marketble skill, but to prepare for the world AFTER college.
Travel the world after school....no...have you ever heard of working, being productive, etc. And I never said that you shoukld paint your nail...am just saying that one of these day you;ll have to carry your own weight. Yoju need tro be passionate about your career choice.
Yes, I'm sure that Liverpool has changed since I was there. Chester has probably changed, Bath has changed and Gerrards Cross has changed. While there I was supervising British engineers (who were very good) who were earning 30% of what I made. They lived in homes the size of my garage. They had no idea what their skills were worth on the open market----they had done without so long that they didn't realize how poor they were.....and they were graduate engineers!!! Is that still the situation?
>>By lv2read (Thursday, 21 Jun 2007 22:26)
You take things as they're given don't you? You assume that the way things appear is the way they are. There's more to life.
Ansd I knopw I'vve saud it beforew burt pleafse pleaase plkease chejck youtr spellinbg.
>>By Flagg (Thursday, 21 Jun 2007 23:49)
Life - I hate to tell you - does not revolve around career options and bank balances.
What - save reading - are you passionate about? What is it that you want from life? Do you want to work all day or do you want to do something with your life?
Passionate career choices - how about passionate life choices? That's what we're talking about at the end of the day. Unless any of us believe in reincarnation, then we've only got one life. Yes, we'll all have jobs in our lives - some maybe permanent careers, but others might be two years or so at a company before moving on. Some people see their jobs as what happens in between life: it pays the bills and it pays for what really gets them excited. Not all of us will find our "true calling" if we even have one. Life is what we make it - and I'm sorry, lv2read, but some of us just want to get out there and live like there's no tomorrow. There is a whole world out there, just outside Newport Beach, California and it is full of far more richer experiences than you will ever find at the mall. Sure, travelling the world might not be the most productive economically - but spiritually?? Embracing the cultures, the people, the land... all that you meet... who the feck in their right mind would rather stay in the office from 9 til 5 for the rest of their lives?? Realistically though, of course you need a job - but a job's a job when your main ambition is not money, but to go somewhere - to fulfill your dreams, whatever they may be.
Most heralded people in the world are those like Bill Gates.... and Tony Blair...??? I'm sorry... are you actually in touch with reality ?? From past experience, I think not, but I'll ask nonetheless.
The most respected and admired people on the planet have achieved things far beyond anything money can buy. It's not even tangibly close, you silly fool.
Oh so you're finally admitting that Liverpool MIGHT have actually changed in twenty years.... round of applause. "Homes the size of my garage". Don't make me physically sick, lv2read... honestly... you want to see poverty - I'll pay for the ticket to Africa to see the refugee camps stretch on beyond the horizon.
Graduate Engineers can basically get any job they want because there's a shortage of engineers in the country. They're very well paid.
And you take things too literal, lv2read. If you believe that all teenage guys should love cars, then I shall assume that you also believe that all us girlies love make up and shoe shopping and reading some glossy magazine about Britney Spears. Hate to break it to you, but we're all different... thought you were the one who was keen on individualism... or can't you cope with different personalities??
>>By Tchock (Friday, 22 Jun 2007 00:17)
Just to clarify L, Africa is a place. It's the big continent south of Europe. You might have heard about it on CNN once or twice... but maybe not.
>>By Flagg (Friday, 22 Jun 2007 11:55)
Flagg, Tchock et al...
Boys desire fast cars, girlies (spelling OK?) sirlies go shopping for shoes---world wide...as you know.
Work harder, work longer, learn more, learn faster, stick with it, never give up, never be satisfied,achieve more, don't settle for less. Talk about success and respect--Lynn--the former is a sure fire way to gain it. Be judged by your actions, not your words.
Whatever happened to ambition in the UK? What if the dole was temporary in duration. What if people had to (and were encouraged) to provide for themselfes. What if your people HAD to work?
What if a Brit went ou to purchase a car and could visit 10 car lots within 5 miles of his/her home and could find a good new/used car within one hour or less...do you thinks more of your people would drive?
Funny thing...in Liverpool on a Sunday morning restaurants were closed. I expect to find 10-15 coffee shops OPEN every day and within a 5-10 minute drive from home. We;ve only had that luxury in America for 50+ years. Maybe Liverpool now has no slums and modern accomodations now---but I doubt it. How mant Honda (the most popular cae in the WORLD) dealerships exist in Liverpool currently? 5 to 10 or NONE? How many gas (petrol) station exist in down town Liverpool, 100 to 300--compared to Newport Beach'es 500 to 600.....or is it arount 10-15 with most of them closed. You folks have no idea that you are doing withhout. Which of you will step up and admit it?
>>By lv2read (Friday, 22 Jun 2007 12:46)
We're doing without shit that we DON'T NEED. For fuck's sake man, grow up. Restaurants open on Sunday mornings? What, you don't have any food at home?? And as for five or six hundred gas stations, maybe you wouldn't need that many if you didn't go everywhere in your fucking massive gas-guzzler even when you could happily walk it.
When I listen to people like you rattle on like this, I'm really, REALLY glad that I'm doing without a few luxuries. Every single luxury you have access to is at the expense of the world's poor. And the world's poor does not mean a few single mums in Liverpool, or dole bums, it means the millions of people in the third world. You've seen the pictures. If anyone ever decided to do something about it then millions of lives would be made worth living... sadly, you might have to do without a continental breakfast on Sunday morning. I bet you're glad your leaders don't give a toss about the third world then aren't you?
>>By Flagg (Friday, 22 Jun 2007 13:24)
Hahahaha - just when you think you've run out of cliché's - BANG - we're proven wrong as you post another piece of rambling shite that would be taken as comic parody, if it weren't for the fact that you appear to be deadly serious.
>>By Tchock (Friday, 22 Jun 2007 13:32)
Some urban legends I've heard about over the years.... I personally don't believe it - this mythology crap... it's all rumours, lies & fairy tales to me
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walking
And why don't we just go the whole way & say that women not only love buying shoes, make-up & painting their nails, but don't have the brains to cope with "men's" work, only care about the lighter things in life, gossip all day to their friends talking about fashion and giggling hysterically about men, discussing which shade of pink they like most and panicking about whether they'll break a nail next time they venture into *nature*, while all men masturbate over the good wholesome American car, of playing a good ole game of American Football in the perfect high school life; good strong patriots who would fight for the death for America and the President.....
As for car dealerships?? Well over here we have dirt roads you see - especially up here - electricity half the time... and my house is so small it could be your garden shed if you believed in gardening. How long did it take my dad to buy the last car.... ohh well he was searching for almost 12 years - I've only ever had two cars - a reliant robin - we blew half our dole money on the new three year old Ford....and the dealership he bought it from - he walked I think a hundred miles - maybe he even reached the English border... he said he could see a strip of slums upon the horizon, melting into the undeniable poverty that is British life... he cried when we couldn't get the latest model.... still hasn't forgiven himself. No - I'm sorry... this is too painful... I can't go on......
>>By Tchock (Friday, 22 Jun 2007 23:47)
Tchock
Again, yuou've done withou so long you know nothing else.
Flagg,
Did I get it?? We don't need to eat out on Sundays.... No Flagg, people want to eat out....sabe??
Tchock,
Electricity half the time....Please tell me that Scotland is far more current than that. Please.
Flagg,
I bet...
that if you were turned loose in Newport Beach for 1 day, your view of your world would be widened srastically.
Again, how many Honda dealerships in all of Liverpool?
Tchock,
Are you able to interface with men? You are goimg to have to sooner or later. You're not reading lesbian/feminist literature these days are you? Why am I asking? Only you keep bring up foolish
lesbian rantings. Not myself, not Flagg, not Sarcoidiot, not BIAM, not anyone here has intimated you foolishness is linked to a cycle OR anything other than gardening and Leninism and youth.
>>By lv2read (Monday, 25 Jun 2007 03:41)
Sarcasm, my dear lv2read, despite being described as the lowest form of wit, still illudes you, it would seem.
Forgive me if this is a personal question, but you're not mentally ill are you?? You don't appear to be in possession of one's faculties... or was calling me a lesbian-feminist-green-fingered-Leninist-teenager a last stab in the dark at what you would call a retort ???
May I please ask, what is exactly so "lesbian" about my "rantings"??
Go drink some camomile tea, dear, it'll help stave of the nightmares of lesbians, leninists, terrorists, democrats, socialists, communists, free-thinkers, individuals, the youth, canadians, gardners, michael moore, logical minded people, women, the unemployed, russians, the car-free individual, the poor, liverpudlians, history, books, iranians, different cultures, karl marx, africans, restuarant owners who don't open on sundays, mass transit communters, non-american products, differening personalities, free political choice, common sense, black people, asian people, hell oriental people - never did forgive them for pearl harbour - the germans, the palestinians, the arabs and the oil running out as well as guest appearances by Reality & the evangelical intelligent people who always, cunningly, seem to out-number you.
>>By Tchock (Monday, 25 Jun 2007 04:37)
Again Tchlock...did you develop lesbian/feminisyt, man/hating views at 13 as well? Again if you think Michael Moore is sane, that is purely a reflection of your age, and lack of ,ature judgement. In America the foolisdh speech of Moore is protected. We tolerate him in just the same manner we suffer the radical feminist stupidity.
>>By lv2read (Monday, 25 Jun 2007 04:49)
And if I WAS a lesbian.. please explain - in nice simple words, I'm a girl after all - exactly what the fuck would that have to do with anything?
Man-hating views ??? 90% of my friends are MALE !!!!!!
Feminists - quite agree... can't stand them myself.... as bad as chauvinistic pigs
Michael Moore... agree with most of what he has to say, but he's heavily annoying at times. Almost like you, except I don't agree with anything you have to say and the phrase "at times" should be removed from the former sentence.
By the way - type slower... your words will be spelt correctly, and you might just find yourself with enough time to think up a logical argument that's not inspired by the tiny flash of electric neuron-activity that would of course be, the first thing that came into your flatlining brain.
You know, I heard Lenin was a lesbian once..... ;)
>>By Tchock (Monday, 25 Jun 2007 05:03)
Tchock,
Leave the man hating at home, or wherever. Your term girlir is very appropriate with respect to you. Leave Lenin behind...you are judsged by such foolishness.
Are you stiill concerned about the breach of the continental sheld of Scotland....within 20 years? Perhaps golfer Tiger Woods isn't safe there this week??
I may type slower if you'll think faster...and more like a big person. And I never implied that you were/or are gay. Please grow up. Stop playing to the gallery. The more foolish you are, the more they enjoy it. Big deal!!!
>>By lv2read (Monday, 25 Jun 2007 08:46)
i)
Lesbians do not hate men, they just do not in love with them
ii)
"in Newport Beach for 1 day, your view of your world would be widened srastically"
typical, you've got the most narrow view here of all posters L2R, if they're all like you in NB I very much doubt Flaggs worldview will improve there.
iii)
"Tchock grow up"
And become as mature as you L2R? I fear the world when you become standard for maturity. Why don't you indeed admit you got a serious problem and stop using this board as your means of abreaction and start drinking milk to fall asleep instead of sharing all your crap.
>>By Lynn (Monday, 25 Jun 2007 11:21)
>Did I get it?? We don't need to eat out on Sundays.... No Flagg, people want to eat out....sabe??
Yes, and some people NEED to eat, full stop (period, to you). If America wasn't so obsessed with luxuries then they'd be able to. I'm not trying to guilt trip you by the way, it's not like you could do anything about third world debt or the "scar" of Africa, but do you feel any kind of sympathy or compassion whatsoever when you see those news reports? Or did they somehow bring it on themselves?
Maybe if you stepped *out* of Newport Beach for a day, your world view would be widened.
>The more foolish you are, the more they enjoy it. Big deal!!!
No, the more foolish *you* are, the more we enjoy it.
>Again if you think Michael Moore is sane, that is purely a reflection of your age, and lack of ,ature judgement.
Sane or insane, right or wrong, annoying or not, he has a huge fan base in both our countries, and it's not composed entirely of teenagers, so for the last time would you PLEASE drop the "you're wrong because you're young" bullshit?
And Lynn has a point. Why *do* you keep arguing here? When was the last time someone said "Oh yeah, I never thought about it like that , l2r is right"?? Never. And they never will. You must know that, so why do you do this???
>>By Flagg (Monday, 25 Jun 2007 12:58)
Because so long as we react to his confrontational points, the more attention he gets.
Man hating views -- just because I hold no candle of respect for you, lv2read, does not mean you represent the entire male gender. Sorry, but you're not *that* symbolic.... symbolic of an idiot, certainly with someone in need of help, but don't be too dillusional... you're already more than enough of that.
Also, by writing "did you get your lesbian..... views when you were 13?" does kinda *imply* that you were inquiring into my orientation; however, am a little bemused as to how my *man-hating* views came across.... but then again, I'm bewildered, bemused, confused, puzzle and down-right curious as to how most of your views come about in the first place... but then I remember that you're the one playing to the audience... you're the one soaking up the attention... and you're the only one who's loving it.
>>By Tchock (Monday, 25 Jun 2007 14:00)
Tchock,
It's time for you to agree....or you muct be sent to bed without dinner.
Answers before the test.
1. Ambition is critically important.
2. There are MANY man haters in the radical Lesbian movement.
3. We must never be satisfied with out performance...we can always do better.
4. Building wealth, providing for our families are noble endeavors.
5. There are many slums in Liverpool.
6. Michael Moore is not admired by the mainstream Brits......perhaps the artsy elite, the committed lENINISTS/SOCIALISTS those on the outside looking in.
7. Reaction formation. Remember?
8. And Flagg, I do not expect children to say, Oh Yeah, even when facing fact. If you read your posts 10 years from now, you'll know exactly what I mean.
9. If any of you think that you represent the middle of the road in the UK, you are totally nuts. I am a conservative Republican and very proud of it. The Republican party represents approx 45% of the American electorate. You here don't represent 5% of the British people. Give me the name of a British Prime Ministe5r of the last45 years that was willing to give up Israel.
11. Give me the name of any leader in the UK today that is more simpathetic with the Arab position in the middle east THAT HAS A CHANCE OF BECOMING PRIME MINISTER.
12. And for your support in the War on Terror, and your support of our Preasident, I thank you. The US can always count on Britain----as you all know.
>>By lv2read (Monday, 25 Jun 2007 18:13)
Anyone need a drink after this?
>>By Lynn (Monday, 25 Jun 2007 20:04)
Several.
>>By Flagg (Monday, 25 Jun 2007 21:14)
By the way, about reaction formation, we were both right. You're right, it COULD be an explanation for people not trying their hardest to be successful, just as it could be an explanation of homophobia. So, did you ever have impulses that were unacceptable? Let me spell that out for you: were you aroused when watching Brokeback Mountain and were so disgusted with your own impulses that you went on that message board and railed against homosexuality? THAT's reaction formation.
I know that's got nothing to do with anything you just said, and I realise it's a real low blow, but I think I'm entitled to it, given your stubborn - CHILDISH, in fact - refusal to treat me and Tchock like adults until we agree with your fucked up views. Actually, you're lucky I didn't focus on point number 3 and say something like "Are you less satisfied with your performance now that you're getting on in years?"
>>By Flagg (Monday, 25 Jun 2007 21:23)
Oh and please don't thank me on behalf of my country. Most of the time I'm ashamed to be British.
>>By Flagg (Monday, 25 Jun 2007 21:24)
Flagg,
Ashamed to be British...please take that back. Don;t buy into that stuff as you come from one of the finest, nost civil places on Earth.
Aroused by Brokeback Mountain? Give me a break. It was offensive, vulgar and tasteless to the vast majority that viewed it. No Flagg, men aren't attracted to men. Reread your posts 10 years from now. Tell me how important martial arts are to you then.
Why I say childish....if you are ashamed of being British, what are the Ethiopians, Cubans, Estonians, etc. supposed to think about their homeland? Britain is 100 time better than any of those places mentioned.
I think that it is time for JustJon to make another cameo appearance. Don't you?
>>By lv2read (Monday, 25 Jun 2007 22:11)
Jon is no longer on Flork. Don't wait up for him.
>>By Lynn (Monday, 25 Jun 2007 22:23)
Maybe it's best. He was pretty cruel...like many of you. I particularly did not like his comments dirrected to Flagg, yet some observations were right on.
>>By lv2read (Monday, 25 Jun 2007 23:25)
He said everyone in the middle east were savage monkeys. Was that right on? I'm glad he's gone.
Maybe ashamed was the wrong word. What I am is embarrassed to be from a country where so many of the natives are xenophobic scumbags and so many more are mindless yuppies. I know that pretty much every country has things to be ashamed of or embarrassed about, but in the UK's case it's worse because it's so well respected. Regardless, I will ask you again not to thank me for my support in your country's silly war. I personally never gave any support whatsoever, and when the war started this country's biggest ever peaceful protest was staged in London, so don't try and say I'm alone on this either. Believe it or not the war was EXTREMELY unpopular over here.
Ok. Look.
>Aroused by Brokeback Mountain? Give me a break. It was offensive, vulgar and tasteless to the vast majority that viewed it. No Flagg, men aren't attracted to men. Reread your posts 10 years from now. Tell me how important martial arts are to you then.
If you had said YOU found it offensive, vulgar and tasteless then I could accept that. But the film did pretty well in the box office didn't it? It got quite a lot of critical acclaim. Stop trying to fool us that you think you speak for the vast majority, you don't.
As for men being attracted to men, I hate to break to you but some are. That won't stop just because you don't like it.
You know what? Let's stay in touch. My email address is amb_uk@yahoo.co.uk - tell me yours, and let me know if it ever changes, and in ten years' time I'll email you and tell you all about what I'm doing, what my views are and how regularly I practice martial arts. No, I'm not joking, I'm totally serious. You suggested it, do you want to follow through?
>>By Flagg (Tuesday, 26 Jun 2007 00:02)
I quite agree, there is very little to be proud of being British. We have nothing to be proud of in our history - most of the world's problems now are caused by our actions either 200 years ago or just five, the middle class are consumed with themselves - self-obssessed yuppies with more money than sense, we've got gangs of violent thugs on the streets threatening young & old alike, we've got a drinking culture incomprehensible to other nations, we have a dominant celebrity culture, our national passtime is shopping, we've destroyed our landscape by building a huge network of motorways and housing estates... we're a lost nation whose only identity is that of a reckless rat race with the odd drunken punchup on a friday night.
At least being Scottish, we've got history on our side - when we went into another country... we HELPED it, rather than destroy it by trying to turn it into another little britain.
lv2read - just stop attention seeking !!!!!!
>>By Tchock (Tuesday, 26 Jun 2007 00:46)
Flagg/Tchock thanks for your response. It's 6 PM Monday evening...28 C and I'm off to the Fashion Island outdoor Mall in Newport Center.........to be entertained and to SHOP. The Mall is an excellent place to walk as well---totally flat and an elevator (lift?) to each level. I go there twice weekly mainly to practice walking....been doing that since Sept 2005.
.
Will write tomorrow.
>>By lv2read (Tuesday, 26 Jun 2007 03:06)
I prefer slopes for walking. I enjoy the challenge.
>>By Flagg (Tuesday, 26 Jun 2007 03:18)
I prefer walking in this
http://images.google.co.uk/images? DELETE hl=en&q=saas%20valley&ie DELETE =UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi
>>By Tchock (Wednesday, 27 Jun 2007 00:34)
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