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>>By Lynn (Friday, 17 Oct 2003 23:41)
Hypothetical speaking.....of course :o)
>>By Lynn (Friday, 17 Oct 2003 23:43)
I just checked out some pics of Viggo Mortenson and I agree that he resembles AM in publicity photos for his books.Granted,I've not seen AM's face but from what I've seen the facial design and bone structure may be similar.Make Viggo hit the weights and get a little bulk and cut and there ya go.
I just started Last Light and although I'm only twenty pages in I can tell it's going to be a winner.
Has anybody on the board purchased a Traser watch?Do you think McNab really wears one?
>>By dirkpitt1972 (Saturday, 18 Oct 2003 05:44)
VBG, dirkpitt1972! Your enthusiasm more than qualifies you for F Troop! Earlier you asked about Dark Winter’s release in the US. The publishing schedule is UK first, then the US anywhere from six months to a year later. I’m not that patient a Yank! Ordering DW from Amazon.co.uk seems like a good option since they already have it listed at a discounted price (£12.99) and their shipping costs are reasonable. Mind you, if you can afford to buy one of those Traser watches, discounts and reasonable shipping are not really going to be major concerns, are they? :o)
Oh, in case anyone is interested, Chivers has finally released the unabridged version of Liberation Day (read again by Clive Mantle). For surprisingly good prices on most UK audios, I use: http://www.audiobookcollection.com/
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 18 Oct 2003 06:44)
The Traser watch: Was Britney Spears not caught drinking the drink from her sponsors competition?? Commerce is one thing, what the 'stars' do in their own free time another. But maybe the watch is really good. Either way.. I doubt Andy will ever tell you his is NOT, so you'll have to catch him..
My former post, after a good nights sleep I feel the need to say no offence to men loving men. It was merely a means for the guys to admit that we are girls here.... (like they don't realise)
So Viggo is taking head lead..more and more in favour. Maybe we should do a poll and send it to Bonnie... :o)
Last Light isn't everyones favorite Dirk.. so anxious to hear what you think when you've finished..
>>By Lynn (Saturday, 18 Oct 2003 10:04)
dirkpitt1972, are you sure you found the right board? Clive Cussler is not here.
Hi Lynn, you are always so nice when I seem to post.
Traser is a very fine watch as I where mine to work daily, lets me no it's time to go.
It maybe time to by my first UK book to keep up with the gang here.
See ya all.
>>By DTO (Saturday, 18 Oct 2003 21:50)
PS, DirkPit1972 really just kidding, welcome. enjoy the McNab discussion. Hope to dicuss DW soon.
>>By DTO (Saturday, 18 Oct 2003 21:52)
Hello DTO, thank you for being nice about me being nice :o)
Where have you been? Long time no 'see'..
Are you gonna order Dark Winter from the UK? Did I get that right?
>>By Lynn (Sunday, 19 Oct 2003 01:00)
Hi again, DTO... better whisper your intentions re: a UK DW or Amazon-US might get worried they're losing their best customer! LOL!
Long-time posters know I love "researching" real stuff from AM's books, but Dirkpitt1972 has done me one better -- well, two actually -- looking for images of London County Hall and St. Thomas Hospital from Last Light. I'd only thought to look for the Houses of Parliment, flags and all, not for Nick's and the snipers' locations... :o)
And, somewhat off-topic but "good grins" material:
"39 facts about myself to assist the government in determining whether I’m terrorist material" -- www.news.scotsman.com/opinion.cfm?id=1156152003
>>By am-i-binned (Sunday, 19 Oct 2003 14:01)
Ahh, Lynn were have I been? Not far really, always lurking. Always nervous of hostile enviros. (If you know what I mean) (back in the past)
Yes I probably will buy DW from Amazon UK, if I can figure the pound system out. It's a math thing.
Also, I seem to have figured AM writing out. It takes a lot of time. I read about 40 books a year. AM is buy far the most discriptive and it takes a while to develop a rythym. So I am actually looking forword to reading the book. LL&Ld were very well written and great books to read so I am excited to get started.
>>By DTO (Sunday, 19 Oct 2003 18:33)
Us too DTO... Nice to hear you have been following our conversations
>>By Lynn (Monday, 20 Oct 2003 10:00)
Minimi glad to know I was of service to you and restored your faith he he. I have to agree god bless amazon! But doesn't Novemeber seem such a long way away? Anyone got a time travel machine they can lend me?
>>By Bethan (Monday, 20 Oct 2003 11:46)
Uh-oh, Bethan, there must be a deviating rift in the time-space continuum because, in my dimension, time seems to be throttling along at maximum acceleration. Yea, November 3! Of course, I anticipate that time will slow significantly during the period immediately following -- the interval specifically designated Airmail Surface to US.
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 20 Oct 2003 14:12)
Just stop for a mo and think all of you whom have ordered DW for 3 Nov.
The atmosphere now is just like X-mas, waiting for your gift to arrive. But hey, you'll finish that book in no time and than what.....
Ok you can read it a trillion times over, ... but I'm sure that afterwards that lonelyness feeling of abandonment will come along, yes NS has abbandond you again, so now you have to wait for the next book, another year, and all those questions unanswered, like will he ever settle down, and Kelly will she ever recover...
I mean just think about it
I'm waiting for the economic paperback bookie, 'cause I'm not paying AM to maintain all his ladyfolks he's got spread all over the world. aah aah not me.
So I'll just sit here and wait , wait and read all you troopers babbeling away over the book, with great envy,sigh.
>>By borisette (Monday, 20 Oct 2003 20:33)
No probs, Borisette...
If you wait just about 2 weeks there'll be copies for cheap listed on eBay. That way you won't have to fall that far behind us (you can bring up the rear), and we won't have to post "spoiler warnings" cuz we'll all be on the same page (figuratively speaking)...
Right! Let the babble begin... :o)
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 20 Oct 2003 20:45)
With all this talk about converting AM-books into movies....
One movie comes to mind in that respect: The Bourne Identity.
Yes, it's a US-flick, but a damned good one.
One good reason for liking that movie, is how the scriptwriters has emphasized on keeping the professionalism intact.
>>By ortlieb (Monday, 20 Oct 2003 23:22)
21-10-03 4:17 a.m. <--- (no, not Andy McNab.)
Hello to everyone. :)
My name's Rex, and saw a few weeks ago this site; took me quite sometime to read most of these pages.
Actually I've no idea of what I could write here more than what has already openly said, just thought to join in and see what's next... if you all don't mind.
I'll try to be here as much as I can, although after my working holidays will start waving goodbye to me in a week's time, I may not be as constant as I wish.
Till tomorrow, I guess, goodnight everyone. (or goodmorning; point of view!) :)
>>By Deusrexmachina (Tuesday, 21 Oct 2003 04:20)
Welcome, Rex...
No problems whatsoever if you want to revisit anything that has been discussed here before. Well, except maybe for the extremely girlie stuff, the menfolk around here tend to disappear at the sound of too much oooh'ing and aaah'ing. LOL! From what you wrote in your profile, am I correct in assuming that you haven't read Liberation Day yet?
Hi, Ortlieb...
I know it's off-topic but you started it (vbw!): Do you read Ludlam? Is the movie "The Bourne Identity" true to the book? (Quite frankly, I didn't see it because I figured it would have been Hollywood-ized.)
>>By am-i-binned (Tuesday, 21 Oct 2003 06:18)
Borisette that was such a depressing thing to post ah my good mood has just flown away out of the window. Damn. Any of you UK people, Tesco now sell chart hardbacks at £12.00 (just as cheap as Amazon and without the postage) I shall be there with my money in my grubby little hand. All those non-UK sorry for boasting! And really a man with that many ex-wives needs all the money he can get ha ha.
>>By Bethan (Tuesday, 21 Oct 2003 10:08)
aib:
Sorry, haven't read the book. But you assumed wrong regarding Hollywood-izing (in my humble opinion :)
The feeling is very "European", just like "Ronin" with Robert De Niro and "French Connection" with Gene Hackman.
It has a more realistic "dirty and gritty" feel to it, rather than the polished Barbie & Ken world of Hollywood.
>>By ortlieb (Tuesday, 21 Oct 2003 11:55)
Lurking around this board for a while seemed eminently sensible but now I'm not so sure. Happen the spark went out of it with recent departure. Though I would imagine B to be eagerly awaiting copy of Dark Winter at club price £10.99. Perhaps in posession of reviewer copy. Can't make contact with her . The book club synopsis is a lot more tempting than the Amazon blurb. "Fizzing with nail-biting suspense, sexual tension and technical know-how, Nick Stone's latest adventure is a sure-fire hit."
That would suggest he's taken a leaf out of his fellow SAS writers books and going the sexy route to reader stimulation. What question bubbles up is "Whom, of all the women he's had, will feature in this book?"
"I was very selfish, I admit," Mcnab once said in an interview with a newspaper, "My career came before my marriages. I'm sorry for my wives. They had to put up with a lot". Mcnab said that after he started writing books because no one knew who he was until Sean Bean played Mcnab on the television. Has Mcnab learnt from his mistakes one wonders and does he treat women any better now? Barring his daughter. Does Mcnab think his death is high priority in the scheme of any terrorist or drug smuggling godfather's wont of "hey let's hit the news networks with a literary twist of Who killed Mcnab?" Would Mcnab go quietly and hardly unnoticed to his grave? Perhaps not if the Princess Diana theatre is anything to judge by. Is there not a big chance that all Mcnab's ex wives, girlfriends, and acquaintances will be wont to cash in? Happen a killer is sleeping in his bed right now.
It is said he falls in and out of relationships as often as he buys new toys. He fell out of love with his own B20 troupe, threw stink bombs at Chris Ryan when he wrote his own book about the ill-fated B20 patrol, then Mcnab fell out with half the regiment and went loopy lou over unflattering characterisation of him as a gung ho glory seeker in TOTGA. Portrayal of Mcnab as an obsessive hater of "ragheads" sent him apeshit and worse when TOTGA was scheduled for the screen. Does any one know much about the legal skirmishes and cutting-room amendments that ensued? A newspaper at the time printed "It makes us look like a Mickey Mouse operation," McNab raged. Was he actually talking about the B20 movie or TOTGA? #
"Either way both movies made their patrol look like a bunch of complete tossers," was bandied around by a well-known car testing TV celebrity.
Only those around at the time of the 'Out of Iraq' debacle know the whole truth but it was a known fact Mcnab contemptuously rejected a Hollywood proposal for a movie where the patrol bungled an assassination attempt on Saddam Hussein and Mel Gibson rode to the rescue.
It was reported correctly that Mcnab and others were banned from the regiment's Hereford headquarters but suspension is nothing knew at Hereford. In or out on the regimental doings is according to which way the OC is leaning, like looking to retire or hiking his tail to higher places. You can't go bucking the system not even millionaires with mighty big chips on their shoulders. "It was a class thing," McNab told a journalist. "Historically, it would be senior officers telling the story of a war. What I have done is give the faceworker's view of it."
Mcnab has every right to say why he did it but that doesn't excuse the personal motivation behind it.
There are those amongst us who believe he and others have left 22 SAS with a legacy that will haunt it. 22 SAS to the general public perspective is seen to be made up from a bunch of selected uncouth and uneducated social misfits. Clearly viewpoint of Mcnab's own life has reflected on to that of those still within the service and to that of people who will read his biographical accounts of service life. His disposition and disregard for those who will follow in his footsteps through the selection process tars all with the stigma brush of intellectually incapacitated Social Misfits. What of the men who entered 22 SAS by the backdoor from the TA sector, those who were part-time soldiers as well as full-time lawyers, financiers, doctors etc. Men the general public view as mere 22 SAS rabble made of ex white van drivers, bin men, and road sweepers.
Mcnab admitted to once having bought a £64,000 Porsche in Park Lane because the salesman got all cock-a-hoot with him for wandering around the showroom in his tracksuit bottoms and motorcycle helmet. "It was 'Can I help you?' which means 'F*** off'. " McNab said. "Really annoying. Really annoying. So I turned round and thought, 'Right, I'm gonna get one of these.' " Even with getting himself noticed in all the right places that class thing still grinds away at Mcnab, and despite wealth enough to buy women and friends off the peg and toys to keep them all happy Mcnab sounds like the unhappiest rich man alive. Why is that?
>>By nutter (Tuesday, 21 Oct 2003 13:05)
O-tay, Ortlieb...
So that's me off to Blockbusters for a video rental then! Fanx! (and then I'll let you know how close to the book...)
>>By am-i-binned (Tuesday, 21 Oct 2003 13:15)
Hmmm....
Sorry, Nutter, seems we cross-posted. While I might agree with a few of the things you're saying (we've obviously read the same articles), I'll refrain (for now) from a point-by-point rebuttal of those comments with which I strongly disagree. Just wondering, though, what triggered this diatribe?
>>By am-i-binned (Tuesday, 21 Oct 2003 14:44)
Nutter
Nice piece there.
"It makes us look like a Mickey Mouse operation," McNab raged. I think he was talking about TOTGA programme on ITV, but I may be wrong.
"His disposition and disregard for those who will follow in his footsteps through the selection process tars all with the stigma brush of intellectually incapacitated Social Misfits."
One person that puts this right is Peter Ratcliffe. I was really impressed with his descriptions of the skills SAS soldiers learned (medic, languages etc..). I didn't realise either that for the first 4 years after joining the regiment they are judged on whether they have the 'brains' to stay or they are sent back to original unit as 'not needed' (forgive me - can't remember the exact words but it's something along those lines). See civvie ignorance.
As for Ferrari comment totally agree, I thought he was a bit of a muppet for that, the sales man will have been laughing with all that commission. One final thing - money can't change the past or guarantee a better future and no-one will be happy until they realise that.
>>By Bethan (Tuesday, 21 Oct 2003 14:58)
Whom, of all the women he's had, will feature in this book?"
Bethan.
Couple of questions came up Nutter,
It was reported correctly that Mcnab and others were banned from the HQ
How do you know it was correctly reported? Hearsay doesn't count
You say:
McNab told...........
Mcnab admitted..........
McNab said...........
Mcnab once said.......
It is said he.....
You seem to know so much about what moves him, then you aks:
Mcnab sounds like the unhappiest rich man alive. Why is that?
Why don’t you tell us?
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 21 Oct 2003 15:55)
Am-I-Binned: extremely girlie stuff, the menfolk around here tend to disappear at the sound of too much oooh'ing and aaah'ing.
Do you think they CAN handle a little grrrrrrowling?
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 21 Oct 2003 16:28)
Oooh, Meow, Lynn... :o)
>>By am-i-binned (Tuesday, 21 Oct 2003 16:33)
Too sweet love, but keep trying :o)
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 21 Oct 2003 16:40)
Thanx Bethan for pointing to Ratcliffe who is another bone of contention to ardent fans of Mcnab.
So Lynn, you doubt then Mcnab quotes and interviews?
Hearsay doesn't count. You are right there Lynn. Remember what I posted on the Chris Ryan board? Happen you missed that post so I'll repeat the bit about being a mate of Chris Ryan.
You women seem to know Mcnab's inside leg measurements and collar size, so I figured you'd know the answer to the last question. It's not the sort of question men would be likely to be in a position to answer. Not unless they happened to be standing in the same queue at jeans stall checkout counter.
Grrrrrrrrowl all u like girls and squeeze them balls all u want.
>>By nutter (Tuesday, 21 Oct 2003 17:04)
Sorry for that but missed the sparky "Just wondering, though, what triggered this diatribe?"
Lurking can be a good thing. Spying out the land watching people come and go and looking around at who is left and what they have to say. You looked strapped for exciting threads and now you have me to shred. So go ahead have your way with me but understand I'll run like Mcnab and hide in a hole all cowardy custard if you throw sticks.
>>By nutter (Tuesday, 21 Oct 2003 17:19)
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