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What is your problem - that I won't f*ck off? Sorry chum, I've lived and worked too long with hard-case SAS/SBS...Desensitised!!! ;-)
>>By buddy (Thursday, 2 Oct 2003 22:19)
Those who don't know, a guide to the effects of providing psychotherapy to war-torn traumatised troops on non-military basis:
When they reveal their nightmares, their every waking hour day-mares, their flashbacks, their horror - you relive it with them, over and over, and if you are not desentised, (and are basically emotionally vulnerable to the effects of horrific events) you will succumb to their state of mind and be totally useless to them...As an independent confidante they tell you things they wouldn't/couldn't reveal to military psychologists/psychiatrists on the basis they know they would end being RTU'd or invalided out of the military...
Sometimes it is hard to smile when you know of men who are slowly dying inside, yet on the surface they crack jokes and appear unaffected by their trauma....
>>By buddy (Thursday, 2 Oct 2003 22:33)
Buddy wrote "Sarky? Not at all....Inter professional ref!! You must have encountered, often enough, in the field of psycho analysis, surely...
What is your problem - that I won't f*ck off? Sorry chum, I've lived and worked too long with hard-case SAS/SBS...Desensitised!!! ;-)"
If - IF - this bit's addressed to me, I have NO PROBLEM - I re-read my post once on the board and realised it looked a bit harsh.
So I qualified it by saying I didn't mean it to be sarky. Not becuase I thought you couldn't hold your water against sarcasm but because I am not on here to flame, ridicule or annoy - I'm here to swap thoughts on an author I like. Zero subtext.
Why would I have a problem? You were on this board before me, I read some of your posts, if I had had a problem I wouldn't have chipped in.
Psych babble wasn't what I joined for, you asked me a question about shadows and I answered it to the best of my ability. Also, zero subtext. :-) So I hope that's that one cleared up, and no misunderstandings intended from me.
I mostly work with women who experienced various kinds of abuse as children/teens. None of them are "hard cases" but I feel no less valid because of that - we work in the world according to our temperament and I happen to be good at helping them piece their stuff back together. They are human beings, and in fact the kind of innocents people go to war to protect.
Reading books is my release, entertainment and fun, and though a bit of me wants to get therapuetic on Nick's arse when he has flashbacks the rest of me just wants to see what he does next, it's what Steven King called the "got to" in books (as in "got to see how he get's out of/into this, got to see how it ends" etc.
As for PTSD, or general shell-shock/trauma/whatever you call it, first off it can happen to a human after any life/psyche threatening event and secondly maintaining professional distance from a person is a therapist's job, whatever line they work in. I have more I can say on this but it's probably off topic.
xS
>>By shanti941 (Friday, 3 Oct 2003 01:05)
ROFL on your story, shanti! What a hoot! You have a wicked sense of humor. :)
You and buddy understand the ins and outs of therapy for PTSD and bless you both for helping people. It's got to be one of the hardest things in the world, helping wounded people when all you can really do is listen. Healing from the inside out is the hardest way to heal, but it lasts longest and leaves the smallest scar. Especially with wounds of the heart, soul, and mind.
>>By Dare (Friday, 3 Oct 2003 06:51)
Hurrah! Welcome Minimi! new blood!
>>By Pomplemous (Friday, 3 Oct 2003 09:54)
Psych "babble" - Shanti - says it all...Out of your field of view...Hence, now, not the least surprised that you should praise one writer and attack so vehemently another with one strafing extreme judgemental introductory pass...He was traumatised by his experience in Iraq - the same sense of betrayal felt by AM and the rest of the team, each of whom (AM/CR) expressed their chagrin within their books...
I agree with Dare, regarding your "humour and story", though...
>>By buddy (Friday, 3 Oct 2003 10:00)
Hi Minimi, what Andy McNab books have you read, and which would you say is your favourite (?)
Woohoo bodes well for well-read in our subject matter...
>>By buddy (Friday, 3 Oct 2003 10:05)
Pomplemous those hangover vibes would be good now!
Minimi what do you prefer fiction or non-fiction?
I have to say (on non-fiction now) started to skim through EOTS (only a quick glance at Gulf chapters though no time to start it properly) and afterwards I quite liked Ratcliffe. That comment will get me sit-up punishments! Not got very far though.
Help Ortlieb Mr Spence Man, what did Spence call everyone in his patrol? (Gave up reading at this point, couldn't remember who was who!)
>>By Bethan (Friday, 3 Oct 2003 10:39)
re:hangover
'tis for mortals...
>>By trident (Friday, 3 Oct 2003 12:48)
Actually, I read Sabre Squadron for the second time not too long ago (mostly because I wanted to compare the two Ratcliffe and Spence's versions immediately after reading EOTS).
It's obvious that either one of them are using aliases (or perhaps both, although Ratcliffe made a huge point about how ridiculous it was not to provide the names straight forward. Still, I suspect both of them to use aliases).
Sadly though, I have to brush up on the book myself to extract Spence's "name-game". Also, I'm not totally sure abour cross-ref'ing Ratcliffe's name-game vs Spence's.
I remember Frank and Buzz being the "married couple" who was always bickering amongst themselves (the two-peas-in-a-pod).
I don't remember the name of the medic though (the black guy) .
Ok, I'll check it out so that I'll be able provide a thurough answer to your question (annoys me that I don't remember them off hand).
>>By ortlieb (Friday, 3 Oct 2003 13:17)
shoo hangover dont bother Bethan, shoo hangover, dont bother Bethan, shoo hangover dont bother Bethan cos she wants to go back out at seven
or something
xx
>>By Pomplemous (Friday, 3 Oct 2003 14:32)
well hello once more troop.
I think i've read pretty much all of AM titles, fiction and non-fiction. Also an assortment of others, CR (obviousley!!) Mike Curtis, Steve Deveraux, Pete Scholey, "Yorkie" Crossland, the list goes on.
I've also read a few non-SAS type books by Steven Ambrose. All of them pretty damned good apart from his view of the brits. Yes as you guessed, military history is a fave of mine!!!
AM......Where do i start!! For the past 3 years i have been counting the days to the new release. When i do get them i usually read them in about 3 days. Wich means for the other 362 days of the year im pretty glum :(
Na, honestly i just cant seem to put the books down. Although for some reason i cant quite put my finger on, i was a bit let down by LL. Sorry to all those who love it but it's just the way i feel. Maybe i missed something! In fact....i'm just gonna go dig it out and start again!!
>>By Minimi (Friday, 3 Oct 2003 15:47)
Ortlieb, a little to add to your remarks on RSM Ratcliffe, a true man's man not a wuss like mcnab.
Two things made a big impression on Para squaddie Peter Ratcliffe when he drove through Belfast for the first time in 1970. The first was the thin, persistent, miserable drizzle that found its way down his neck and soaked his clothes, and how the people smiled at him and cried out, "God bless you, boys." By the time he left, two years later, he needed all the blessings he could get, he says, and that the cups of tea so kindly offered to British soldiers back then stood a 50-50 chance of being laced with rat poison.
Life in Northern Ireland was horrible, he says. They never got any leave, and always seemed to be on standby for something, and were constantly called out to deal with riots where "the locals would chuck bricks and petrol bombs at us". Friday and Saturday were the riot nights, as the rioters who had jobs could have a lie-in on the following day.
Ratcliffe claims that, generally speaking, things weren't too bad for the SAS Regiment in Northern Ireland. The SAS always wore their Dennison smocks and distinctive red beret. "Wearing a steel helmet might seem to have made more sense, but the red berets were much more effective. Their distinctive colour allowed the terrorists to see who they were dealing with while we were still a mile away. Once they knew they were confronting the Parachute Regiment, the IRA recognised they were dealing with the toughest and most effective troops in the British army. Most times, they'd pull out and leave us alone," he writes in a new book graphically detailing his 25 years with the special British regiment.
He cites the example of what happened to the Yorkshire Green Howards Battalion. When they started their tour of duty they took a number of casualties, losing five or six men killed by the IRA. Their morale was so low Ratcliffe's SAS Regiment were sent in to relieve them. The SAS men were barracked in the Flax Street mill in the Ardoyne, right in the heart of IRA territory, yet they didn't experience a single incident. "The IRA took the view that if the Paras are here, leave it alone until they've gone away again," he figures.
The fear factor was always with him, as he never knew whether an IRA sniper had him in the cross-hairs of his telescopic sights or when an explosive device might detonate. "The trick was to keep moving, running from corner to corner, moving all the time so no one could draw a bead on you. We covered each other, and every action was quick, quick, quick. If you were moving, you kept breathing."
The emphasis was always on grabbing and arresting IRA suspects, he says, claiming a lot of rubbish has been written about the British Government instituting a shoot-to-kill policy in Northern Ireland. Had there been such a policy allowing British soldiers of the RUC to kill known terrorists on sight, Ratcliffe claims the IRA would not have lasted more than a couple of months. "The truth is that, although they had some exceptionally good snipers, as well as skilful bomb-makers, the terrorists were up against superior fighting men better trained, better disciplined, better armed and equipped, better supported and often much more experienced.
"Like any fairly small, clandestine terrorist organisation, the IRA does not like to get involved in a real firefight," he continues. "Instead its operative is to seek to kill or injure as many people as they can with the bomb or bullet and get out as fast as possible. Many of those IRA 'heroes' who, without a second's thought, would kill or maim women and children, would not hang around for a shoot-out with real soldiers."
Allowing for this opinion, it would be interesting if Ratcliffe had given us his opinion of how his SAS Regiment behaved in Derry on Bloody Sunday. All he says about it is that on the 30th of January 1972 the British army, and the Paras in particular, handed the terrorists the sort of material for a propaganda coup they could only have dreamed about. "Their dreams became our nightmares all wrapped up in one terrible tragedy. When the firing stopped 26 civil rights marchers not terrorists had been shot. Thirteen of them were dead," he writes.
Because of the killings some of the Paras, including Ratcliffe, were ordered home. As they left the barracks the camp radio was playing Roy Orbison's song It's Over. But for the Paras it was not over, and never will be, he says. Bloody Sunday will always be there, haunting a great British regiment. For ever.
Ratcliffe had already applied to join the elite British army unit, the Special Air Services Regiment, the SAS. He saw action in Oman, the Falklands and throughout the Gulf War, fighting behind the Iraqi lines where he won the DCM. He also admits that he did another tour of duty in Northern Ireland with the SAS. Unfortunately, all he will say of that is that "it is another's day's story".
Unlike most of the rash of gung-ho, derring-do books written by former SAS soldiers Andy McNab, Chris Ryan, 'Yorkie' Crossland and Cameron Spence in the wake of the Gulf War and the Bosnian conflict, Peter Radcliffe has published his book under his real name.
Fans of McNab's Bravo Zero Two, Ryan's The One That Got Away, Crossland's Sabre Squadron and Spence's Victor Two will recognise Ratcliffe's name. As a senior NCO in the SAS Regiment he gets mentioned a lot in each book, normally in highly unflattering terms. It took a six month struggle with the Ministry of Defence in Whitehall to get permission to write his book under his own name, but he was determined to do so to give lie to the extravagant and exaggerated claims made by the other writers, and to rebut their deliberate lies, distortions and fantasies. "I can see no reason, even for the sake of writing a bestseller, why the proud history of the Special Air Service Regiment should be dragged down to the level of cheap war fiction," he says.
>>By Saxon (Friday, 3 Oct 2003 17:25)
Sheesh... Is it a full moon or what? Obviously, this is the perfect time to add some testosterone to the mix! ;o)
THE GUYS' SIDE OF THE STORY -- FINALLY
We always hear "the rules" from the female side. Now here are the rules from the male side:
These are our rules! Please note: These are all numbered "1" ON PURPOSE!
1. Learn to work the toilet seat. You're a big girl. If it's up, put it down; we need it up, you need it down. You don't hear us complaining about you leaving it down.
1. Sunday = Sports. It's like the full moon or the changing of the tides. Let it be.
1. Shopping is NOT a sport. And no, we are never going to think of it that way.
1. Crying is blackmail.
1. Ask for what you want. Let us be clear on this one: Subtle hints do not work! Strong hints do not work! Obvious hints do not work! Just say it!
1. Yes and No are perfectly acceptable answers to almost every question.
1. Come to us with a problem only if you want help solving it. That's what we do. Sympathy is what your girlfriends are for.
1. A headache that lasts for 17 months is a problem. See a doctor.
1. Anything we said 6 months ago is inadmissible in an argument. In fact, all comments become null and void after 7 days.
1. If you won't dress like the Victoria's Secret girls, don't expect us to act like soap opera guys.
1. If you think you're fat, you probably are. Don't ask us.
1. If something we said can be interpreted two ways, and one of the ways makes you sad or angry, we meant the other one.
1. You can either ask us to do something or tell us how you want it done. Not both. If you already know best how to do it, just do it yourself.
1. Whenever possible, please say whatever you have to say during commercials.
1. Christopher Columbus did not need directions and neither do we.
1. ALL men see in only 16 colors, like Windows default settings. Peach, for example, is a fruit, not a color. Pumpkin is also a fruit. We have no idea what mauve is.
1. If it itches, it will be scratched. We do that.
1. If we ask what is wrong and you say "nothing," we will act like nothing's wrong. We know you are lying, but it is just not worth the hassle.
1. If you ask a question you don't want an answer to, expect an answer you don't want to hear.
1. When we have to go somewhere, absolutely anything you wear is fine. Really.
1. Don't ask us what we're thinking about unless you are prepared to discuss such topics as baseball, the shotgun formation, or monster trucks.
1. You have enough clothes.
1. You have too many shoes.
1. I am in shape. Round is a shape.
1. Thank you for reading this; yes, I know, I have to sleep on the couch tonight, but did you know men really don't mind that, it's like camping?
Pass this to as many men as you can - to give them a laugh.
Pass this to as many women as you can - to give them an education.
>>By am-i-binned (Friday, 3 Oct 2003 18:55)
And now to redeem myself:
How to Pretend to Be an Infantryman
Dig a hole in your back yard while it is raining. Sit in the hole until the water climbs around your ankles. Pour cold mud down your shirt collar. Sit there for forty-eight hours, and, so there is no danger of your dozing off, imagine that a guy is sneaking around waiting for a chance to club you on the head or set fire to your house.
Get out of the hole, fill a suitcase full of rocks, pick it up, put a shotgun in your other hand, and walk on the muddiest road you can find. Fall flat on your face every few minutes as you imagine big meteors streaking down to sock you.
After ten or twelve miles (remember - you are still carrying the shotgun and suitcase) start sneaking through the wet brush. Imagine that somebody has booby-trapped your route with rattlesnakes that will bite you if you step on them. Give some friend a rifle and have him blast in your direction once in a while.
Snoop around until you find a bull. Try to figure out a way to sneak around him without letting him see you. When he does see you, run like hell all the way back to your hole in the back yard, drop the suitcase and shotgun, and get in.
If you repeat this performance every three days for several months, you may begin to understand why infantryman sometimes gets out of breath. But you still won't understand how he feels when things get tough."
by Bill Mauldin circa 1944, Italy
>>By am-i-binned (Friday, 3 Oct 2003 18:59)
WEll well that was all very interesting, Saxon
Great laugh, am-i-binned
And welcome to the group Minimi.
Just readthat Germany is short of Special Forces soldiers, it seems they just can't find the right men.
In 2001 they were only 450 but they need at least 1000, so other soldiers from other armies are trying to pass the selection, but it's difficult and hard. Seems they earn a lot of money, how is it in the UK? How do you brits call the german SF, here in italy they call them "Teste di cuoio" wich literally means = Leather heads, ....???
>>By borisette (Friday, 3 Oct 2003 19:20)
OOh dear he's at it again....
Just read the newspaper :
Sir R. Fiennes running 7 maratons in 7 days and in 7 continents. He had a heart by-pass last june.
He starts in Anatartica and finishes in New York, all to raise money for the Heart fund.
What is there to say????? Amazing,... Chapeau!
How about scientists examening his Dna, could be interesting.
How will we be at 59??? Like Homer sitting on the couch surrounded by empty beer cans and biscuitcrumbles or whatever.
HELP!
>>By borisette (Friday, 3 Oct 2003 19:42)
LOL AIB. Good stuff! My sister sent me this the other day and I thought you guys would get a kick out of it. :) Enjoy!
Rules of Combat for the Four (American) Armed Services
As Seen By The Marines
United States Marine Corps
Bring a weapon. Preferably, bring at least two.
Bring all of your friends who have weapons.
Bring their friends who have weapons.
Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice.
Ammo is cheap. Life is expensive.
Only hits count. Close doesn't count. The only thing worse
than a miss is a slow miss.
If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast enough, nor using cover correctly.
Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend.
(Lateral and diagonal movement are preferred.)
If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a big
weapon and a friend with a big weapon.
In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber,
stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived and who didn't.
If you are not shooting, you should be communicating,
reloading, and running.
Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting is more dependent on "pucker factor" than the inherent accuracy of the weapon.
Use a weapon that works EVERY TIME. "All skill is in vain when an Angel pisses in the flintlock of your musket."
Someday someone may kill you with your own weapon, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.
In combat, there are no rules, always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.
Have a plan. Have a back-up plan, because the first one won't work.
Use cover or concealment as much as possible.
The visible target should be in FRONT of YOUR weapon.
Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.
Don't drop your guard.
Always tactical load and threat scan 360 degrees.
Watch their hands. Hands kill. (In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them).
Decide to be aggressive ENOUGH, quickly ENOUGH.
The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get.
Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.
Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.
Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with a ".4."
ARMY
See USMC Rules for combat.
Add 60 to 90 days.
Hope the Marines already destroyed all meaningful resistance.
NAVY
Spend three weeks getting somewhere.
Adopt an aggressive offshore posture.
Send in the Marines.
Drink Coffee.
Bring back the Marines.
AIR FORCE
Kiss the spouse good-bye.
Drive to the flight line.
Fly to target area.
Drop bombs and fly back.
Pop in at the club for a couple of drinks with the guys.
Go home, BBQ some burgers and drink some more beer.
>>By Dare (Friday, 3 Oct 2003 21:15)
A tad off topic, or maybe not with "intelligence" test on reading ability:
Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh?
I know, I know, I promised, but this one is a classic hoot...
Young Justin has a cursing problem, and his father’s getting tired of it.
He decides to ask a shrink what to do. The shrink says, “Negative reinforcement. Since Christmas is coming up, ask Justin what he wants from Santa. If he curses while he tells you his wish list, leave a pile of dog poop in place of each gift he requests.”
Two days before Christmas, Justin’s father asks him what he wants for Christmas. “I want a damn teddy bear lying beside me when I wake up. When I go downstairs, I want to see a damn train going around the damn tree. And when I go outside, I want to see a damn bike leaning up against the damn garage.”
On Christmas morning, Justin wakes up and rolls into a pile of dog poop. Confused, he walks downstairs and sees another pile under the tree. He walks outside, looks at a huge pile of dog poo by the garage, and walks inside. His dad smiles and asks, “What did Santa bring you this year?”
Justin replies, “I think I got a goddamn dog, but I can’t find the son of a bitch!”
>>By buddy (Friday, 3 Oct 2003 21:54)
RSM to squaddie: "When in trouble stop digging the hole you find yourself in!"
>>By buddy (Friday, 3 Oct 2003 22:02)
Aha, good point!
"RSM to squaddie: "When in trouble stop digging the hole you find yourself in!""
That's why I, as a totally non-involved person - like, I do healing work not blowing-up work :-) like reading stuff like this connected with the military, there's always something new to learn from a different way of viewing the world, and the efficieny of the armed forces mean they have down a good system of having the right attitude to stuff, and oddly I try to pass it along to my clients.
I reckon a lot of the stuff magazines and the media peddle, particularly to women, is such a bunch of soppy self-indulgent coddle-your-inner-child crap, it helps no-one.
Far better to have a clear-eyed assessment of the problem, draw up an action plan and get with it.
One thing I loved when I picked up my first AM book was the bit about decision making - in 99.99% of cases mincing about going "is this the right decision?" is a waste of time and gets the situation in even worse shit than it was to start off with, make a decision - fast - then at least you can crack on and deal with the consequences.
Works for me! I believe in working on constant personal development but a lot of the time that just becomes "self-help junkie" city, I'd rather read stuff that shows me how to have a healthy get-on-with it attitude than a load of navel gazing w*nk.
Just my take on this from my world :-)
Chapter 2 will be up in a day or so, I'm not feeling surreal enough right now! That thing about how we read was brilliant, really interesting all those "how we work" type things.
xS
>>By shanti941 (Friday, 3 Oct 2003 22:51)
From someone who watches the board but won't post no more:
Radio conversation released by the chief of naval operations 10.10.95:
Americans: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the north to avoid a collision.
Canadians: Recommend you divert YOUR course 15 degrees to the south to avoid a collision.
Americans: This is the captain of a US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course.
Canadians: No, I say again divert YOUR course.
Americans: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS ENTERPRISE, WE ARE A LARGE WARSHIP OF THE US NAVY. DIVERT YOUR COURSE NOW.
Canadians: This is Rocky Point Lighthouse. Your call.
>>By buddy (Saturday, 4 Oct 2003 00:07)
hahahahahahah lol good one buddy!
Just watched Black Hawk Down,hmmmmmm good!
>>By borisette (Saturday, 4 Oct 2003 00:12)
That is a funny one and variations have been around for quite a number of years. I think the first time I heard it was in the 80's. :) Being ex-Navy, it's one of my faves.
>>By Dare (Saturday, 4 Oct 2003 00:29)
Ortlieb, I am reading Spence's Sabre Squadron now, just after Eye of the Storm as well! The 'name game' is troubling me as well. I can only make out Roger as being Ratcliffe (obviously lol), George being Mugger, and Gazza as being Major Peter. I would be interested to know who you think Nick (from SS) is in EOTS. Or any other matches you've made?
>>By Ignaty (Saturday, 4 Oct 2003 18:58)
Looking back a page, there were some comments about the SBS and books related to them. I thoroughly recommend 'First Into Action' by Duncan Falconer, it is a great book. Written McNab-style by Falconer, who was in the SBS. An eye-opener, and highlights some strengths of the SBS over the SAS. Also goes into details about the Falklands: Ratcliffe mentions about how the SAS killed an SBS troop in the Falklands war in a 'friendly fire' incident. Falconer goes into this incident, and into the fights which broke out between the SBS and SAS on the ships back home. Read it!
>>By Ignaty (Saturday, 4 Oct 2003 19:08)
I STILL can't find the lipstick bit even with the hint of which book it's in! HELP! It's making me CRAZY!
>>By Dare (Sunday, 5 Oct 2003 04:56)
Lesson in "SCAN" reading:
Deploy word "Lipstick" to mind, visualise the word "Lipstick", take a deep breath, then dive into book thinking "Lipstick"...
Next deploy eyes to centre of text (no looking from left to right) and scan downward...Your eyes will alight on the word "Lipstick".
If in doubt: reread the Cambridge snipit and then proceed...
Sad though, ain't it, when mention of Lipstick in a Andy McNab book can draw so much attention and need to see it!?
^^
o¬
~
>>By buddy (Sunday, 5 Oct 2003 10:43)
WEll Dare in the Italian version of Firewall the lipstick bit is written on chapter 27, Thursday 16 december 1999. second page, where he talks of his Davidson pasport. He then remembers the time where he learned to use make-up at the BBC with his "friend" Peter, his teacher who wore a beautifull blue dress, and he remembers especially when they went to the ladies bathroom....
In my book it's on page289-290.
Hope you find it this time.
>>By borisette (Sunday, 5 Oct 2003 15:53)
Just some thoughts on AM real name. I seem to recall a picture of his escape map from the gulf (must have been in B20) in which some one had wrote "Big Andy" on the corner of. Also in IA when describing selection and RTI he says the interragator asks him if he spells his name with an Mc or an Mac. i find it a strange thing to include in his book if his name WASNT Mc/Mac. So my theory is his name is indeed Andy Mc-erm-something! Then again....im probably totally wrong!! You guys all seem further ahead in the name game thing than me. Any thoughts?
>>By Minimi (Sunday, 5 Oct 2003 18:35)
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