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But, on name games, what about Liberation Day, and Nick Stone's two Muslim colleagues...
Lotfi / Lutfi meaning: Kind and friendly
When Nick referred to Lotfi's companion he said his name sounded like Hubba-Hubba..Maybe that was instead of saying Habib-Habib, meaning: Beloved, Beloved...
Tactical move of changing subject, maybe?
>>By buddy (Sunday, 5 Oct 2003 20:53)
Tactical move on my part, not Andy's...
>>By buddy (Sunday, 5 Oct 2003 20:54)
Re: Lesson in "SCAN" reading:
Deploy word "Lipstick" to mind, visualise the word "Lipstick", take a deep breath, then dive into book thinking "Lipstick"...
Next deploy eyes to centre of text (no looking from left to right) and scan downward...Your eyes will alight on the word "Lipstick".
If in doubt: reread the Cambridge snipit and then proceed...
Sad though, ain't it, when mention of Lipstick in a Andy McNab book can draw so much attention and need to see it!?
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Well, golly gee, buddy, thanks for the heads-up. I'm not sure which of my posts led you to believe I wasn't bright enough to figure out how to "scan" on my own, but you were mistaken.
And it "ain't sad" to want to locate an interesting portion of a book.... I'm just curious about the location of the bit because I found it humorous. Now, your comment might be more in order if the "lipstick" I was all excited about was the bit with the postcards and panties. ;)
>>By Dare (Monday, 6 Oct 2003 05:37)
Borisette, thank you for the pointer. Found the passage... finally! In the American version, it's in Chapter 27, page 309.
Makeup training with the BBC.... "the shade of lip gloss I'd chosen particularly suited me." :) And how very dedicated to shave and wax major portions of the anatomy, 'cause it is extremely uncomfortable when it grows back in! ;P
>>By Dare (Monday, 6 Oct 2003 06:01)
"Scan" piece: was no slight to any individual on intellectual/physical capabilities, and what a pity that it should have been taken as such.
It was meant as constructive info in the face of the book not readily scanned digitally (computer software)!!!
Inference to cognitive quality of "Lipstick" remark, as in "sad reflection" was again no slight on any one individual, it was a generalised implication that we "all" (here) derive as much pleasure in the hunting for one item/paragraph of AM's as we do in discussing the whole picture/book...But I'm not ashamed of the word Anorak, are you (?) or in sharing it with anyone else when it's raining offended souls...
One thing I do know, is, that there aren't nearly as many people on this board as you think, and as much as I would like to say why many have left and are "talking" elsewhere (not at Allreaders), the simplest way to put it is - quite a few of the more informed were miltary personnel whom knew AM, and of those who didn't they knew someone else who did, so in that sense it was difficult for them (sometimes) when ?s were thrown like grenades, and too many of them felt as though they were treading a minefield from time to time, and worse, when you know AM, and you have people who don't, it can be awfully tempting to reveal all, dangerously so...Like sending out pics taken whilst in the military, each person circled and named!!
D/AIB, you have no idea how close you brought one of the guys nearly to doing just that, and all because you thought he'd slighted you/AM on the board, personal like...
Have a happy board life...I'm going back to the miltary fold, it's more friendly....
>>By buddy (Monday, 6 Oct 2003 11:07)
As I've learned in the last 86 pages (86!!) words can very easily read in ' two directions' (I know there's a better description but I can't think of the right English expression). What's meant to be sarcastic in a funny way is/was often mistaken for real sarcasm (in a few cases maybe it was real sarcasm but I'd like to think we got over that).
Andyway, what I'd like you to give my peace-talk a chance and step over this, obviously (to me) misjudging words.
There has been real funny postings, I really enjoyed reading them all and I hope you all stay and continue..
>>By Lynn (Monday, 6 Oct 2003 11:37)
Lynn, you can vote for misconception, or misconstrued, it being the better of two in describing lack of cognito.
You women scare the hell out of me with your bitching and aggression. This place is no place for a man of integrity. As I see it few of the flork profiles bear any semblence to the voices heard. I look in but shy away in trepidation and fear that one of you might catch me and I might too become a victim of your lethal interrogations and lack of understanding the intellectual properties of civil discussion. Should not friends be able to sportingly jibe and rib without any offence being taken? If that is not so, then you are not friends. Am I right about this or shall I run while the going is good?
>>By Saxon (Monday, 6 Oct 2003 12:28)
Second scene, take one. seen running at full stretch.
>>By Saxon (Monday, 6 Oct 2003 12:31)
Saxon: I've already read EOTS (why did you think that cut 'n pasting from the book would enlight?)
I don't know what earlier comments of mine you felt that felt the need to "add" to, but after reading EOTS and SS, I feel that Spence's characterisation seems accurate.
And I quote (from memory, so it's not word for word):
"Despite his quirkiness, and the fact that he might not have been the greatest tactician around, he was always good bloke to have around in a firefight. He was a man who was respected throughout the Regiment."
Ignaty: I had a theory about the cross-reference of names immediately after reading Sabre Squadron (for the second time), but now I've forgotten most of it. I think my major question was:
What name did Ratcliffe and Spence use to idenity the "brown-nose" 2IC?
I remember that Ratcliffe calls him "Pat", but I'm not sure of Spence's version... I'll have to speed-read through the books and do some cross-reference.
>>By ortlieb (Monday, 6 Oct 2003 12:44)
Uhhh Ortlieb. You lost me man. What is EOTS?
Pugnacious attitude has air of predominance and most unexpected from military source. Must be catching.
Hey man, you forgot how male on male works? We don't do the bitch bit, we talk over a beer, and if we can't get to grips with each other we take it outside.
>>By Saxon (Monday, 6 Oct 2003 13:17)
Got it. EOTS Eye of The Storm by Peter Ratcliffe.
You might of read it I might have read it but obviously there are those that have not and might regard any reference to it as enlightening.
Was I the only person beside you who mentioned Eye of The Storm? Was it even me? I don't remember this particular incident that has stuck in your memory slot so markedly.
J***s, what did I say to upset you? Does my being a man upset you. 20 something inexperienced versus pushing fifty and heading over the hill on experience. Men don't come more laid-back than us kind of guys I'll have you know.
>>By Saxon (Monday, 6 Oct 2003 13:52)
Would it help if I started singing " Love is in the air..." ????
But Saxon, welcome back by the way... did you call Andy a ‘wuss’ ?? Or did I get that wrong?
>>By Lynn (Monday, 6 Oct 2003 15:22)
Ortlieb: The brown noser in Sabre Squadron is definitely Alec. However, I am unsure which of Spence's characters corresponds with Pat in EOTS. I don't remember Pat being the brown noser in EOTS, i though it was someone else. Will check.
>>By Ignaty (Monday, 6 Oct 2003 15:33)
Guilty as charged on 'wuss'. The word came up with modicum of regularity during a brief with a gaming company. Needless to say action packed SAS game was based on Andy Mcnab's main rival in the book war. The assumption 'main rival' based on animosity to the author who is savagely beaten about the head more often than not in your little enclave.
Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: For thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
Hebrews 13: 1-2
Sorry, must dash. Phone buzzing.
>>By Saxon (Monday, 6 Oct 2003 16:14)
It better be someone important then...
>>By Lynn (Monday, 6 Oct 2003 16:46)
Saxon:
Allow me to (try to) clarify before this turns into an Abbot & Costello routine:
You directed a comment in my direction on page 85:
"Ortlieb, a little to add to your remarks on RSM Ratcliffe, a true man's man not a wuss like mcnab." , in which I replied:
"I don't know what earlier comments of mine you felt the need to "add" to, but after reading EOTS and SS, I feel that Spence's characterisation [of Ratcliffe] seems accurate."
How you make this out to be "pugnacious attitude" is beyond my grasp, but allow me to make an attempt to defuse the situation and state there was never any animosity behind my reply, and I'm not upset. Seems like that ball is in your park, not mine... ;) Perhaps I misread your first question?
Why would I be upset over you being male?
It's one thing that we've got the SAS-books name-game in here - do we have to introduce the gender-game as well? :)
Ignaty: ALEC!! Thanks mate! Short-term memory sucks! ;) Let me know when you've checked up on the Pat-issue. I would myself, but I don't think I've got the time. Got loads of math and physics homework to do. :(
>>By ortlieb (Monday, 6 Oct 2003 17:03)
Ooops. Wrong door.
As you were.
>>By nutter (Monday, 6 Oct 2003 18:45)
Is it International Quarrelsome day today?
I call it pugnacious to nit-pick like some old woman with nothing better to do.
Adding to your piece on Spence and Ratcliffe was nothing more than an add to. Simple as that. I was not suggesting you had missed out on anything, though on reflection perhaps you view that post as a counter move for some inexplicable reasoning.
Who really gives a sh*t about what you or I posted.
Who is Abbot & Costello? Never heard of them. Before my time I guess.
>>By Saxon (Monday, 6 Oct 2003 19:19)
Good one, Saxon! "International Quarrelsome Day" :o)
Here's hoping this day comes to a quick close then!
Do you recognize a comedy routine about baseball players -- "Who's on first?" Granted Abbott and Costello were an American comedy team but, then again, if Ortlieb, in all his youth and Norwegianness, knows them... ;o)
Here's an excerpt (http://fisher.osu.edu/~tomassini_1/whotext.html):
Abbott: Now let's see. We have on the bags - we have Who's on first, What's on second, I Don't Know's on third.
Costello: That's what I wanna find out.
Abbott: I say Who's on first, What's on second, I Don't Know's on third -
Costello: You know the fellows' names?
Abbott: Certainly!
Costello: Well then who's on first?
Abbott: Yes!
Costello: I mean the fellow's name!
Abbott: Who!
Costello: The guy on first!
Abbott: Who!
Costello: The first baseman!
Abbott: Who!
Costello: The guy playing first!
Abbott: Who is on first!
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 6 Oct 2003 21:48)
Ortlieb: checked it up. The brown-noser in EOTS is Des. On a slightly different note, there are a hell of a lot of differences between Ratcliffe's and Spence's stories. Although Ratcliffe provides a convincing attack on other soldier's books in EOTS, I really don't know who to believe. The same applies to McNab's B20 and Ryan's TOTGA. They tell the same story overall, but there are some places where they just don't agree (obviously in this case, up until where the patrol split). Only minor details, but I don't understand some of the conflicting accounts in SS and EOTS. Some of the stuff Ratcliffe says is abslutely false seems strange for Spence to just make up out of thin air. Like how Buzz almost came to blows with Ratcliffe. Like Alec being a brown-noser. Like how the patrol realised Victor Two had been bombed BEFORE they got to it. I don't know how the differences between the accounts occurred. I don't have a bias towards either, when I've read all the books I have found them all enjoyable and believable. I dunno lol. Let me know what u think
>>By Ignaty (Monday, 6 Oct 2003 22:17)
First of all, Saxon:
Seems like there's been a misunderstanding on my part, although I still can't see how you've managed to read such hostility from my question regarding your "add"-comment. But I'm not into arguing and bickering, so if it's all right with you, I'm hereby closing the International Quarrelsome Day.
Ignaty: I agree with your thoughts. It's easy to single out the discrepancies comparing each authors version of the same story. Obviously in B20 vs TOTGA, and then in SS vs EOTS vs V2. I haven't read Victor Two yet, but Ratcliffe really gives Crossland a punching! Ol' Yorky must be somewhat displeased with that one! Hehe...
But the ultimate question "why?" is one that will remain unanswered for some time still I think. There are a few theories floating around in here on this board, and the other is as good as the next one.
For me, I just hope that All Necessary Measures (the second book by Spence) doesn't become the subject for "retaliation-books" by other ex Reg authors trying to make a buck.
Discrepancies aside, I think it's very interesting to get the inside info from squaddie-level about the routines and level of professionalism executed within a Special Forces regiment like the 22 SAS.
>>By ortlieb (Monday, 6 Oct 2003 23:36)
Ignaty:
Short add to my last post regarding Spence's ANM:
I don't know if you've read it yet, but Spence "dropped a bollock" at one point in a chapter where he describes a Norwegian Air Force Lt Col removing his "oak leaf epaulets" in front his helicopter-pilot crew. This apparantly being an act of "removing his rank", due to the seriousness of his request to the pilots.
There's just one SERIOUS flaw though: The Norwegian Army does NOT have any oak-leafs within their rank-insignias!
The US do, but then for the rank of major (golden oak-leaf) and colonel (silver oak-leaf).
The Norwegian shoulder rank-insignia for Lt Col looks like this (the x's symbolizing stars):
========== <-- horisontal solid stripe
(x) (x)
========== <-- horisontal solid stripe
(I'm a 2nd Lt in the Norwegian Army by the way ;)
I hope this flaw is due to some s**t for brains editor trying to spice things up.
One thing being in favour of Spence's credibility, is that Mike Curtis in his book CQB also mentions a guy called "Ferguson". Fergie was a close friend of Spence, and unfortunately he died due to a headshot-wound.
>>By ortlieb (Monday, 6 Oct 2003 23:55)
Hey AIB, Abbott and Costello were pretty funny. Mostly I liked Costello, but then most people did. :)
Not sure what's up with buddy and Saxon today. You guys seem down in the dumps and ready to find fault with everybody's posts today. Hope you feel better tomorrow.
Thanks for the peacetalk, Lynn. :) Sounds okay by me.
>>By Dare (Tuesday, 7 Oct 2003 06:00)
I think I started this name thing with EOTS - sorry ha ha (not at all). I'm going to have to re-read SS again once it's back in the library. But as to who's telling the truth, well, having read EOTS properly now it doesn't sound like he's lying (to me). All points regarding gulf books are valid (with regard to AM his major grief was him not putting in B20 the fact that the CO and himself tried to pursuade them to take a vehicle - it does put AM in a negative light.) Never read Yorky's book either.
Apparently all briefing's were videoed now if they'd just release them.....
>>By Bethan (Tuesday, 7 Oct 2003 09:23)
This has nothing to do with AM but it made me laugh loads yesterday and god knows this board should giggle today! Please let you all share my sarky sense of humour or you'll just think me mad.
"I did it to protect my good reputation in case anyone ever caught me walking around with crab apples in my cheeks. With rubber balls in my hands I could deny there were crab apples in my cheeks. Every time someone asked me why I was walking around with crab apples in my cheeks, I'd just open my hands and show them it was rubber balls I was walking around with, not crab apples, and that they were in my hands, not my cheeks. It was a pretty good story. But I never knew if it got across or not, since it's pretty tough to make people understand you when you're talking to them with two crab apples in your cheeks"
Nuts. Twenty points to the first person to correctly guess the book. Promise there's no tattoos involved!! That should drive you all mad now.
>>By Bethan (Tuesday, 7 Oct 2003 09:27)
You're welcome Dare.
Is it by Enid Blyton Bethan??
Nutter, wrong door??? With a name like that you belong here :o)
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 7 Oct 2003 10:25)
Ha ha ha Lynn no it's not Enid Blyton!
Anyone want a clue? Tough!! All I'll say is it's a very odd book and sort of military themed but not.
PS It's not Swallows and Amazons either!
>>By Bethan (Tuesday, 7 Oct 2003 12:58)
I've got it : Winnie the Pooh!!!
what have I won, what's the prize......
I remember Abbott and Costello, they were very funny, exasperating even.
Now Nutter don't go away, hi there, don't tell me you accidentally dropped by..??
Would love to read those books Ortlieb and Saxon are talking about, but can't find them here and now I'm having one of my financial crisisses so ah ah no shopping for the mo. Only book I'm still reading is Special Forces by Clancy, (I know it's 2 months now I've got that book but it gets so technical that I fall asleep after a while). And the other books I read have nothing to do with military or SF or whatever, they are all medical books, I even have to prepare an anatomy lesson for november, so I haven't much time left .
HELP I'm having a major crisis here.....Would debriefing help?
>>By borisette (Tuesday, 7 Oct 2003 13:15)
I'm still crawling through '1968' by Joe Haldeman slowly but surely - it's slowed into a bore now but I am so clsoe to the end that i have to finish - then... it will be SBS The Invisible Force, by... James B Ladd? or someone.
>>By Pomplemous (Tuesday, 7 Oct 2003 15:04)
I can't remember how the whole did or didn't he discussion turned out about AM sitting on the Whitehall committee and lazily I can't be bothered to look but I found this in the Telegraph archives that suggests he did / still does maybe.
Apologies to you all if I'm posting something you've all seen before (highly likely).
"However, McNab was clearly excited about his new post and denied that there was a conflict of interest. "I was invited because I've sat on both sides of the fence," said the author, whose latest book, Immediate Action, comes out in paperback this week. "The biggest problem is national security. The system cannot cope with all the new books that are coming out. Ever since the success of Bravo Two Zero everybody in the regiment thinks they can write a book and become a millionaire overnight. But the fact that Bravo Two Zero sold a million and a half copies in Britain alone was a freak."
If some of his former colleagues had sat on the same committee, Bravo Two Zero might never have seen the light of day. The book, an account of an undercover operation led by McNab, was highly embarrassing to the SAS."
You see I love re-tracing well-worn paths, my shoes have holes in and can't cope with bumpy roads ha ha. That makes no sense but it's time for a cup of tea and I'm dying for a brew.
>>By Bethan (Tuesday, 7 Oct 2003 15:54)
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