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Am I losing something in the editing?
No you haven't missed a cutting room floor snip. The Spooks series is all too real and points out how plain ordinary MI5/MI6 operatives are, and further points out the bullshit fictionality of Nick Stone and Mcnab's vivid imagination same as Ian Fleming blew and frilled James Bond up to be an espionage icon of elegant killer driller we all loved as teenage boys.
MI5/MI6 work can be boring to the extent of shere fatigue syndrome. Mostly plodding mind boringly routine.
Re Diana: I did it and McNab rode shotgun. Who in their right mind would ever suspect a couple of longhaired hippies in a Uno? Armourplated vehicles travelling at high speed dont stand a chance when a arsehole jerking around in a poxy little crud machine cuts across their path on a bend in a tunnel. A solid wall is a wall no matter which way you hit it.
>>By nutter (Monday, 3 Nov 2003 10:53)
So McNab hit the wall? I thought he would have had a better shot given his training.
>>By Lynn (Monday, 3 Nov 2003 11:36)
Don't laugh with the Uno. 'cause here in Italy we had some armed robberies, some years ago, all done with a white fiat uno. Some policemen even got shot and killed. So never take anything for granted...
Thanks a lot Bethan,...now how will I cope waiting for the paperback of DW to come out. Who knows maybe I'll be coming to the UK soon. Then I can buy all the books I want. And the list is long.
>>By borisette (Monday, 3 Nov 2003 14:11)
Lynn
I am indeed code named Suzy, but he could have mentioned my awe-inspiring beauty a little bit more! I too am patiently waiting for DW to arrive but our posties have been striking again so god knows when it will arrive. Not a moment too soon for me.
Nutter don't tell me you forgot to drive on the right hand side in that tunnel. I really had to think then about what side of the road I drive on how worrying is that?
>>By Bethan (Monday, 3 Nov 2003 14:31)
Maybe it was an undercover Bugatti Veryron wearing Uno disguise..
>>By Lynn (Monday, 3 Nov 2003 14:34)
What on earth is a Bugatti Veryron when it's at home? Lynn what have you been sniffing this morning ha ha.
>>By Bethan (Monday, 3 Nov 2003 14:48)
Apparently something too much of whatever couse I don't know what you mean by ' when it's at home' ??
A Bugatti Veryron is a very fast car.
*** S P O I L E R W A R N I N G ****
Though eagerly waiting my copy of DW I was just informed that to my great joy Kelly is back in DW !! Great move! Also heard it seems to be one of his - if not THE - best book. Postman please don't ring twice, just put the darn book in my mailbox !!!
>>By Lynn (Monday, 3 Nov 2003 15:09)
Just a minor clarification, Nutter...
From what I understand Spooks is a 60 minute program. By the time it is aired here, it has been cut down to 44 minutes. That's 1/4th of the program missing.... certainly there must be a few key scenes which might make the characters a little more well-rounded and their actions/reactions more understandable and the plot line less fragmented. Kind of the difference between Lord of the Rings, the theatre version vs the extended DVD version, minor edits of a few seconds here and there, yet a vast (and much more satisfying) difference in the end product...
Ooooh, Bethan...
You got me suddenly confused and disoriented! Left-side, right-side driving! I just about crashed! Lucky I had a scrap of paper and pencil to quickly orient myself again...
Hmmm.... so now, was the Uno actually the "white flash"? And being as I am automotively handicapped (spelled "ignorant"): Besides fast, what's a Bugatti Veryon? -- my only automotive criterion being capacity (body count) and economy (fuel or food & shelter for family)...
Oh, and please do pass the tulips, Lynn, I need to mellow out a bit so I don't bite the mailman if my DW doesn't show up today!
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 3 Nov 2003 15:23)
Bummer Warning!!!!!!!!!!!
DW arrived in a mate's mail this very morning. LOL. Already getting feedback and no spoiler warnings.
Spooks. It wouldn't matter if it was cut to twenty minute show, the plain fact is your undercover MI5/MI6 operative is plain old uninteresting and that way nobody takes any notice of the non-entity man or woman standing or sitting in prime view locations. They is ordinary folk living ordinary boring lives except when jumping a train or bus. About the most exciting aspect of tagging.
>>By nutter (Monday, 3 Nov 2003 15:58)
Hmmm.... okay, point taken, Nutter...
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 3 Nov 2003 16:00)
So instead of Tom - Spook- Quinn being a bonus, it's ALL there is about that series ?? I suppose that doesn't make it any better for you Nutter... :o)
>>By Lynn (Monday, 3 Nov 2003 16:13)
Just this minute clocked review of Dark winter at Book_City.co.uk.
I’ve been hooked on McNab's stuff since Bravo Two Zero, but of all his novels this one is by far the best. I read it in two long gos! We finally get to see the super soldier become human and have human reactions to situations that would send the rest of us to the madhouse. The story is fantastically well put together, with plot twists you just won’t see coming. I won’t give away the ending, but expect a storm of outrage from devoted fans when they see how this one turns out!
>>By nutter (Monday, 3 Nov 2003 16:20)
Oh man! Thanks a whole helluva lot, Nutter! Like I wasn't pacing frantically enough before!
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 3 Nov 2003 17:04)
Nearly half way through Dark Winter so far so good!
>>By christina (Monday, 3 Nov 2003 18:34)
It's the end, you know, for Nick Stone in Dark Winter. Never be the same again, he won't. McNab has stymied him big time on the romantic front. DW is a smultzy snogger of a book along with plenty of bonking mania!!
>>By nutter (Monday, 3 Nov 2003 19:36)
Ooh no nutter now that's not fair...
You can't keep us up like this, us who haven't got the book yet. Now I'll HAVE to buy it and I wanted to wait paperback-time.
Hey what'll you do when you've read it all.??
Maybe you can send it to little-me.
>>By borisette (Monday, 3 Nov 2003 19:56)
Nutter, not sure that it's your intention, but you do realize, don't you, that you're just making DW all that much more more.... mmmm... tantalizing.... (vbg! vbw!)
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 3 Nov 2003 20:16)
And the good news of today is.. GOT IT!
No more time now..have to read. :o)
>>By Lynn (Monday, 3 Nov 2003 21:08)
Er, guys... excuse me, but I didn't know DARK WINTER is Mr Andy's book. Dammit!, now I understand why Am-I-Binned asked me if I wanted it!! VBS (Very Big Sigh!)
Guess I've to wait for Liberation Day to arrive for first, and in the meantime I better not read here to not spill my own beans! (not "my" beans... er, did I made myself understood?!)
=(
Does anyone know if it's available in the US already? I ask here since everyone knows more than the rest, looks like! :)
>>By Deusrexmachina (Monday, 3 Nov 2003 22:04)
Hi, Rex...
If Dark Winter follows the same publication schedule as Liberation Day, it will probably be released in the US in Spring 2004. As to spilling the beans, we're usually pretty good here, either posting "Spoiler Warnings" or talking in general enough terms that we don't give away critical elements of plots. Hopefully, we'll keep just mum enough for you... :o)
>>By am-i-binned (Tuesday, 4 Nov 2003 05:33)
AIB commented " you're just making DW all that much more more.... mmmm... tantalizing "
The old adage SEX sells practically anything might have something to do with it, tho from reading your earlier postings DW is going to be a SPOILER for you, your not being keen on smultzy romantic storylines. From regular feedback I don't reckon I'll be needing to read DW, I'm getting a chapter by chapter commentary from a mate. Seems as tho old Nick (Andy McNab) has finally met his female counterpart in DW. The female equiv of "love'em and leave'em squirming on spiky hook.
Been there done that and would go back again and again for more of the same from sensual feline natured woman. A good piece of advice ladies. Being bitchy and bossy is not the way to mans heart.
For me the knotting of my stomach, confusion and left me wheeling and not knowing where I stand I'm baited wanting to get inside the woman who can do this to me without even trying. Madness? That's what being in the SF does for you.
>>By nutter (Tuesday, 4 Nov 2003 09:51)
I'm so jealous you all have yours, three bloody weeks they reckon it'll take to clear the backlog of post here and my copy is somewhere stuck in that. Bugger.
I'm glad Stone's getting all jiggy with it, come on now what man can go five books with hardly any action? It's not fair on him.
I can believe it is the end for Stone, there's only so far you can take one character. Does McNab have the balls to try something different?
>>By Bethan (Tuesday, 4 Nov 2003 10:18)
Hello to all here. I was pointed in the direction of this site by a friend of mine. I have a (somewhat morbid) fascination with the 'factual' stories written by these guys. Though I have read some of the fiction too and thoroughly enjoyed it for what it was.
Lots of pages here, so I will take time to have a read through some more of them. I see there is an email address on the early pages - I have sent my email address there. Feel free to get in touch - though the pressure of work often means a delay in reply on occasions. Not today however - I'll start reading.
S
>>By geist (Tuesday, 4 Nov 2003 12:07)
Welcome Geist. So what AM books did you read.
And wich one did you like best.
Did you read anyother SF books aswell?
Ooh Bethan I think if this is the end of NS, AM will maybe do another one of his bio's. Like how to go from SF to civie street, or how not to handle the female species...Hopefully he won't start commercial thingys like CR is doing. But then he never shows his face so how could he do any commercials, by using his feet....or what??
Who knows maybe his next step will be movie making, he said he got fascinated by it when making the film Heat so maybe he could start on some scripts or whatever.
And then finally Nutter, well I hope AM has found his counterpart this time. And if the SF has this effect on you (not meaning you you! but all of them in general) well I don't quite agree with that. Just look in your normal day neighbourhood and see how many couples stay together. You'd be surprised. (well I was after hearing some gossip in a doctor's office where i go once a week doing osteop.)well so much for privacy etc, etc, etc,
>>By borisette (Tuesday, 4 Nov 2003 12:44)
Will you two stop talking about the end of NS !!!! Plans are for 2 more books.. and from what I've read so far off and about Dark Winter AM hasn't lost his touch yet.....
Nutter, why do we have to ' find a way to a mans heart' ?? Let them find ours for a change. Who knows.... that search might even have healing powers for damaged souls..
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 4 Nov 2003 13:26)
Lynn but what if those two new books are something new? I'd love to see him try his hand at someone not modelled on himself. I might change my mind though when DW finally reaches me.
They do say the female of the species is more deadly than the male, well it's true. Nutter you sound like you've had your fingers burned but you should realise we know what we're doing when we seduce you into thinking we're wonderful. Then we trap you, and that's when the bossy, bitchy woman comes into play. The funny thing is, there isn't a man that can say he hasn't fallen for it. No matter how tough you are, we all know what piece of equipment a man thinks with!!!!!! I'd just like to point out I'm not bossy or bitchy and hubby would agree! (once I take off the thumb screws of course he he).
>>By Bethan (Tuesday, 4 Nov 2003 13:46)
I'm having a serious moment.
"They shall not grow old as we are left to grow old, Age shall not weary them nor the years condemn,
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, We will remember them."
It's Remembrance Sunday this weekend (Blighty anyway), I'm sure we all know someone who has died in action. Buy your poppies! Lecture over now.
>>By Bethan (Tuesday, 4 Nov 2003 13:56)
Welcome, Geist...
Ditto Borisette's questions, and just a quick follow-up an email address on earlier pages here. In case you used email4gnod or email4gnooks, those were set up before Flork was implemented and are not really active anymore. Most of us now use the Flork messaging feature to offboard with each other (just double-click on any orange name) and from there exchange personal email addresses one-on-one.
My goodness, Nutter...
How flattering that you've discerned my preferences, and I confess to grinning at your slightly Freudian spelling of "schmaltzy"...
Ooooh, Bethan!
Three weeks? For real?!? Doesn't that constitute cruel and unusual punishment? Over here, you'd be more than justified in going "postal" on their asses...
As to the imminent demise of NS, I'm with you, Lynn. Seeing as AM has promised two more NS stories post-DW, I don't plan to start worrying quite yet. And as to AM replacing NS with a new character, I see absolutely no reason to underestimate AM's abilities when it comes to creating stories which fascinate and entice. I would sorely miss NS but I'm equally confident any other AM protagonist will be equally if not more appealing!
Bethan, thanks for the mention of Remembrance Day. It reminded me of an intense passage written by John Nichol, RAF Flight Lt. (Tornado Down) about the funeral service for fellow Squadron member Steve Hicks, killed when two ground-to-air missiles hit his Tornado during a bombing run in GW1:
"Four Tornados executed a fly-past at the end of the ceremony, a mark of respect for the dead man. They were in 'finger four' formation, the four grey shadows were approaching slowly through the mist. As they came overhead, the lead aircraft pulled up sharply, plugged in reheat, and roared away from the remaining three. It climbed vertically, heading straight for the stars, the bright flames of its engines flaring orange against the grey sky. This jet, disappearing suddenly from the middle of the 'missing man' formation, signified a departed comrade, the missing man. There was the long thunder of the engines, and then a complete hush. It was gut-wrenching. There was a stunned silence. Then John Broadbent went up to the graveside, saluted, turned slowly, and deliberately walked away. Individually, every other officer walked to the graveside in his turn, paused, quietly saluted, and walked out of the graveyard."
A year plus ago, that passage would not have had the same impact on me as it does now -- the tightening in my chest, the sadness, the feeling of personal loss shared. The fact that I do appreciate it now is due entirely to AM, because prior to reading B20, such things weren't "personal". I took so much for granted, not really appreciating or comprehending the tremendous sacrifices and terrible prices paid by these men and women. Maybe it sounds odd or hokey, but I feel I owe AM big time for an invaluable, life-changing lesson.
>>By am-i-binned (Tuesday, 4 Nov 2003 16:11)
Hi all
I found this site while looking for info on DW a few weeks ago, never got round to registering but now I’ve got my copy of DW I just had to tell you all. So glad to have found so many keen AM followers, and boy there’s so many pages here to read through although it’ll have to wait to I’ve finished the book. Looking forward sharing my thoughts on it with you all. I’m off now for a long read (VBG)
>>By scuderia (Tuesday, 4 Nov 2003 18:11)
Freudian spelling AIB. Oooooh do I get my botty slapped for that. Didn't qualify as a hat in corner job then. Spelling always does let me down. Comes from going to the same school as McNab, ha, ha, and not having a dictionary shoved up my ass to improve my English.
For a supposed American you write like an uptight Brit. AR!
BTW. Did you take a degree in D*g b*****k jargon?
Are you suggesting only idiots come to this board, that anybody here is going to believe McNab opened your eyes to WAR and what it is all about?
Hey. Ever heard of World War Two? Heard about the Great War? Are you saying you have only just latched on to the fact that the British Army and Navy were fighting wars before America was born, the Airforce fighting battles when Yanky airmen were women flying round the world for fun?
Are you on this planet?
I've heard some daft lines in my time but when someone like yourself starts on about "McNab opened my eyes".
Christ, spare me. This is airing on looney bin around here.
>>By nutter (Tuesday, 4 Nov 2003 20:19)
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