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Oooops.. that is no way to a mans heart.. punishment hat where art thou..
Funny you should mention the 'shoved up my arse'...
McNab said almost the same on the first Dark Winter pages... same school indeed :o)
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 4 Nov 2003 20:45)
OOps Nutter that was a bit hard...on Aib.
I'm sure she as a us citizen should well know about war enough, I mean what about all those vietnam veterans they have over there. And of course if it wasn't for the US we wouldn't have won WW2 and I wouldn't be here neither (after 20 years that is, ooh well yes I amfrom the good old 60). I can understand your feelings and your anger that it should take a nitwit like AM to open your eyes on WAR facts, well yes maybe for her it does. I've been hearing about the war since I was born, with my dad being in the military and grandpa too and a mum who was in the resistance. Seeiing them cry when we went to visit military cemetaries, and me being too small to understand. As a child when you're safe at home you don't understand those things and luckily for me I haven't even experienced, and hope I never will, what it means to be in war. I don't know why I like AM 's books actually, maybe I'm just fascinated by the style of life he leeds, the things he's done, and seen, the humor, the quick writting, haven't got a clue, so maybe I'm a nutter too.
>>By borisette (Tuesday, 4 Nov 2003 20:52)
I apologize, Nutter, I meant no offense. I was only teasing because I thought it a kind of clever variation you'd used (a little jumbling of the letters for smut)... obviously, my humour fell very short of its intended mark. I'm sorry.
As to my eyes being opened to war, again, a misunderstanding. Like Borisette, I grew up aware of my father's WWII involvement; I saw first-hand the price he paid. But like a child I also considered his serving as belonging to his generation rather than my own (just like the Great Depression, swing bands, etc.). I suppose I could also say I've been blessed by not having any family or friends involved in the Vietnam War, so while it belonged to my generation, it did not seem to impact me that personally.
The only analogy I can think of right now is that every newspaper has an obituary column, and while it is natural to feel sympathy for those who've passed and those left behind, I accept that people die and obituaries document their passing. Obituaries only become truly personal when there is an individual listed there who meant something to you, was related to you or to someone you care about. Then the true impact of that poignant list hits home. It is then that your eyes open more fully to the loss experienced everyday by others, like yourself, and you can identify and appreciate so much more deeply what such a loss means.
>>By am-i-binned (Tuesday, 4 Nov 2003 23:18)
Very nicely (and graciously) said, AIB.
>>By Dare (Wednesday, 5 Nov 2003 04:35)
I second Dare. Your humour was OK too. No misunderstanding for my part. Harping Mcnab opened your eyes to war v quote by RAF hero Nichols was OT just before poppy day. 11th hour 11/11/03. It takes balls I grant you to push Mcnab forward at every possible opportunity and when all is said and done this is his message board, but if I can see the glaring error of golden boy statuette rammed down our throats does it or has it ever occurred to you that your teetering on the brink here? Where does sanity end and drift into obscurity?
Personal like the Korean War impacted on my life. My father served in that war and lost a leg. When I followed in his regimental footsteps GW1 he told me to do my bit and get on with the job tasked. Would I write about my experiences if I could? NO. What happened has been read about in newspapers and magazines and no way do I want to go back over events on a personal footing. Cock ups happened and I for one was lucky enough to be on a highly successful mission. I think of my time GW1 as being privileged to have served with comrades I admired and hope admired me in return.
You say you and your family were spared any personal grief in relation to the Vietnam War. You must be one of the luckiest American families in the States then. Or may be you are a Brit living Stateside. That would explain a lot. Friends of mine US military all said they had lost a family member, in fact I've yet to meet an American who wasn't affected in some way by personal tragedy gratis the Vietcong!
>>By nutter (Wednesday, 5 Nov 2003 10:48)
BTW. I type with a false hand. Slow. Tho sometimes I get a helping hand from friends when we get together to read messages posted on this board.
>>By nutter (Wednesday, 5 Nov 2003 10:53)
You lucky people with DW already...I'm another one waiting till the paperback comes out...less weight/volume to carry/pack...
All I have to go on is the published synopsis...
"Nick Stone...despatched to...assassinate a biochemist..."
Wait up!...I started out as a humble (have I ever been?)
R & D biochemist...never realised I could be in such danger...
There's me thinkin' my only troubles were radio-isotopes and neurotoxic chemicals back then...
I think I'm safe now...<hiding between WMD>
roomservice (p.94...I'm a slow reader...neurotoxins @ work):
There's nothing quite like stepping out into 12000 feet of nothing...good on ya, mate...for charity too...I just do it for pleasure <vbg>
"If riding in an airplane is flying,
then riding in a boat is swimming
- to experience the element
you must get out of the vehicle!"
Anon
I'm off to unpack...
>>By bikergirl (Wednesday, 5 Nov 2003 11:10)
Article written by Andy Mcnab
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?
objectid=13591148&method=full&siteid=50143
>>By Swedish reader (Wednesday, 5 Nov 2003 11:53)
borisette & a-i-b
Ummmm, ok, books I have read include -
(probably can't remember the whole title here, I guess you'll know them if you know them): Not by Stealth by Guile/ First Into Action/ Reflected Glory/ (spotting a trend here yet?) Fighting Scared/ Secret Soldiers/ Ghost Force etc
Not forgetting McNab's Immediate Action/ B20.
I've also read at random (borrowed books from friends' libraries) Crisis Four & Firewall.
I've not read any of the Ryan books, having no desire to further his commercial bid (or does he just want a new 4X4?)
Thanks for info about the email. I have had some messages now -
I wasn't familiar with the interface (didn't know if the msg went to email).
Anyway, it's a glorious day here, if tinged with sadness.
I've been out on the beach with my dogs. Some days, the peace is interrupted by the thud of firing on the ranges, other days it's just the seismic survey of the harbour in the search for petroleum.
I hope it's a glorious day on Sunday when we'll all be remembering. When you buy your poppy - if you don't know - ask that man what his medals are for.
Swedish reader
Echo the sentiments of the last para of that McNab piece
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/content_
objectid=13591148_method=full_siteid=
50143_headline=
-ANDY-McNAB-ON-SPECIAL-FORCES-
name_page.html
And:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/content_
objectid=13591147_method=full_siteid=
50143_headline=
-SBS-HERO-DIES-IN-AL-QAEDA-BATTLE-
name_page.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I see them at work most days.
It's no secret where I'm from.
Real people.
Real lives.
Real heroes.
An ocean apart
from the fiction.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
S
>>By geist (Wednesday, 5 Nov 2003 12:26)
Ops
Here is another article
"McNab finds SAS Iraq memorial to Bravo Two Zero"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml
?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F11%2F02%
2Fwirq102.xml&secureRefresh=true
&_requestid=65779
>>By Swedish reader (Wednesday, 5 Nov 2003 12:34)
Wuh!!!!! Head spinning.
Where did you UK Mcnab fans spring from?
Will you be at the next UK Mcnab fan club PUB meet?
Something like ten booked in already so I been told.
>>By nutter (Wednesday, 5 Nov 2003 12:47)
Geist, Chris's commmercial career reflects on my income but that said if you haven't read him you can't knock him. I can tell you one thing about Chris and that is he isn't short on friends like Mcnab who can count his friend/s on one finger.
When it got back to Chris that he had a message board at Gnooks, he LOL'd and guffawed that if his popularity fell to rock bottom he might need it to boost his image and would we, his mates, do the honours . For now tho he's the talk at breakfast tables all over the UK and Europe, wome wanting to bed him and men wanting to be in his shoes. He gets love letters and fan mail from all over the world, t'would make you blush if I told you the sort of stuff women write to him. Propositioned isn't the quite the right word? Rugby. That's the word. With the rugby world cup on the go he's every rugby loving womans dream, a rugby player in fatigues.
>>By nutter (Wednesday, 5 Nov 2003 13:05)
I just got a sharp elbow nudge and urged to ask a few questions.
Commercial!!!!!
Is writing books a commercial enterprise?
Does McNab write books?
Did McNab sell rights of books to Hollywood?
Does McNab receive money in royalties for books, and videos/DVD's of the film Bravo Two Zero?
Did McNab appear (shadowed) in TV documetaries?
Did McNab appear on TV during news brodcasts on GW2?
Why is it considered commercialism when Chris Ryan writes books, receives royalties for films?
Why is it considered commercialism when Ryan is featured in documentaries?
Why does it matter if Chris Ryan appears on live TV programmes like Hunting Chris Ryan?
Would you watch Andy McNab in similar, face obscured?
If you answer YES to last question are you jealous that Mcnab didn't think up Hunting McNab?
Doesn't it all come to McNab wanting greater commercialism from Hollywood and that Chris's sticking with the UK has paid dividends?
Tough justice on McNab or blind stupidity?
>>By nutter (Wednesday, 5 Nov 2003 13:25)
Ooh come on we all know they both do it for the money, well I would. And as i personally don't know either of them (CR and AM) can't say wich one is more likeable and awesome. And frankly I don't think I'll ever get to know these 2 men so I don't care all that much, as long as I've got a good read wether it is by AM or CR or whoever that's ok with me.
>>By borisette (Wednesday, 5 Nov 2003 13:36)
Now who the hell is Martha Steward??
She keeps on sending me these messages and tries to sell me all sort of things.
Now it wouldn't be AM or CR in disguise now would it. Or one of their girlfriends.....
>>By borisette (Wednesday, 5 Nov 2003 14:10)
Oh-no! Run, Borisette! Run!
Martha Stewart is the unequivocal High Priestess of Commercial Consumerism! All others are humbled, bowing low before her and quaking at her awesome marketing magnificence! Yea verily, even AM and CR pale in her dazzling K-Mart blue light specialness!
>>By am-i-binned (Wednesday, 5 Nov 2003 14:46)
nutter
I'm not knocking Ryan's writing. I respect the man for what he did and it seems his feelings about some of things he said about people in previous years have maybe played on his conscience over that time - maybe he's mellowing with age.
I only question his current choices of achieving Fame:
Hunting Chris Ryan (or whatever the title is) - a glorified Hide & Seek for those with an insatiable appetite for all things SAS (proven moneyspinners currently it seems - numerous series' of "SAS: I'm Tough I Am", as well as the SAS Survival thing which got binned just as we thay were gonna teach us learn all about CT ). That's entertainment. I'm sure it fires the fervent fantasies of some.
The Sun's SAS Diet & Exercise regime - it's a toughie, but it improves your sex life he says (maybe so he can take advantage of those 'rugby' ladies?). Cue the fervent fantasies again.
Slim Fast - ferchrissakes!
His agent has a lot to answer for, that's all I'm saying. Surely his friends (you?) could have slapped him about the face a bit to bring him back from the brink.
And I'd agree on the McNab front about the Hollywood sell-out. I expect to see Cadburys Heroes Tom Cruise (All Your Favourites In Miniature) appearing. Ummm - he's NOT my favourite, but if he's anyone else's, you should feel ok about that (just so as not to offend).
S
>>By geist (Wednesday, 5 Nov 2003 14:57)
apologies
previous message
poor spelling
poor grammar
standards slipping already
>>By geist (Wednesday, 5 Nov 2003 15:02)
Hey, got my copy of DW this week, reading it now! Havent logged on for a while, how is everyone?
>>By Ignaty (Wednesday, 5 Nov 2003 16:21)
just got a sharp elbow nudge and urged to ask a question
Nutter, are you just a friend of CR or are you in love with him?
Well xcuse me for being bossy bitchy or whatever but I'm getting pretty tired of so called mates of anyone who seem to have the urge to tell us what to think or say.
For your info, take it or leave it. I've got all Ryan books except the latest which is not published in Holland yet. I've got all McNab's
For style of writing I prefer McNab. Ryan looks cute, got a lovely accent. Whatever... for pete's sake... if you are at the wrong board than by all means.. don't let us keep you here.
And apologies to anyone who doesn;t like my post. Must be my period.
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 5 Nov 2003 21:39)
You tell him, Lynn.
>>By Scouse (Wednesday, 5 Nov 2003 23:20)
Hey Scouse!! Nice to see you back here. Have you got your copy of DW yet??
I've started reading, should be more hours in a day though. But I very much love the Dutch restaurant in the first pages VBG !!
My initials in Lib.Day.. Dutch in DW. Bethan, I'm afraid in the new book I'm gonna be leading lady :o)
Should go now. Read. And I am forgetting something but I don't remember what :o( It'll have to wait.
Take care all,
>>By Lynn (Thursday, 6 Nov 2003 00:05)
Oooooh Lynn first rule for women never forget your headache pills. You got me feeling real sorry for you with all the matey string pulling you suffers from.
Hey and I've been doing my darnn best to imagine CR in a skirt. And it don't work. Reckon I'm at the right board for laugh a minute entertainment seeing as you got the heat up and is leading the pack all of a sudden.
When you get to the end of DW I'll be waiting for the verdict, same as everyone else, with baited breath ha ha.
>>By nutter (Thursday, 6 Nov 2003 02:24)
Glad to entertain you..
>>By Lynn (Thursday, 6 Nov 2003 09:06)
And thanx for reminding me of what I forgot
>>By Lynn (Thursday, 6 Nov 2003 09:18)
Cor blimey Lynn have yee not read that wee book yet ? It's Mcnab's best ever.
A can't-put-down job.
You can't pull the I speak Dutch thingy and reading English is hard for me. OH NO. You is sharper than a knife when it comes to chopping off on the board. :0)
>>By nutter (Thursday, 6 Nov 2003 11:29)
Well what have I missed while feeling sorry for myself (bad cold - ah poor baby, sympathy please!).
Firstly, I agree we all have been a little hypocritical. I for one, laughed immensely at the Slim Fast thing (still tickles me he he). But McNab is just as good. It does strike as funny that he returns to Iraq just before DW is published, relying again on B20 fame. It put him in the papers over here again (or at least in-laws posh paper not the tabloids I read ha ha).
Whilst on my sick bed raced through Black Water (Don Camsell) but you know what I'm getting sick of these "true stories" of military courage and look what amazing mission I have done. I should make myself clear Mr Camsell tells a very believable story of the "taking" of Narwal in Falklands War. No major dramas. However, Duncan Falcolner's version of the same story reads with Hollywood treatment of people being airlifted as ships explode and brave daring rescues of souvenirs for SBS bars. Really compare the two for yourself.
And we have all brought this on ourselves because we don't buy the ordinary books that stick to the story and tell it like it is. Why not exaggerate? It will sell ten thousand more copies. Really, don't bother writing it if you can't write it properly or accurately because that is the only version we will know. We don't see the de-briefings or the official documents we believe what we are fed and I for one am getting a little sick of squaddies feeding us grass grow green in texas rubbish that bolsters their opinions of themselves. There, who can tell I'm grumpy?
>>By Bethan (Thursday, 6 Nov 2003 12:17)
Eckers!!
>>By Pomplemous (Thursday, 6 Nov 2003 12:24)
Just read some of the Amazon reviews of DW
Seems quite good this book.
Little me still waiting for the price to go down and then .. taraaaaaa!
>>By borisette (Thursday, 6 Nov 2003 13:18)
What does that mean Pomplemous 'eckers' ??
>>By Lynn (Friday, 7 Nov 2003 11:55)
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