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Nice one Paul R...
Gonna be away for a while, (you can sigh with relief) no buddy to send icy cold shivers your way. Wil be back to judge those entries and send out prize to winner...
>>By buddy (Thursday, 26 Jun 2003 01:06)
www.compleatseanbean.com/bravo-press.html
>>By Freefaller (Thursday, 26 Jun 2003 01:40)
Welcome, Freefaller....
Thanks for the link. Found an interesting little item, something I had not heard/read before, and related in a way to our recent discussions:
Sunday Times (Culture) (Dec 6/98)
Members of the famous SAS patrol whose mission to destroy Scud missile-launchers during the Gulf war so cruelly failed, have, famously, continued to give conflicting accounts of what actually happened (three so far and counting). An ITV film based on a rival account by Chris Ryan, The One That Got Away, provoked relatives of those who died to complain vehemently about alleged distortions. Now Andy McNab, leader of the patrol, has taken drastic action to make sure that the screen version of his bestseller, Bravo Two Zero, is not marred by dissenting voices when the BBC screens it next year, with Sean Bean starring. McNab has split his entire rights fee - reckoned to be £80,000 - between the survivors and the families of those who died.
>>By am-i-binned (Thursday, 26 Jun 2003 05:49)
A family member never saw a penny of that alleged generous offer. Happen this will tell you what your hero is like on the ground.
http://www.compleatseanbean.com/bravo-press26.html
>>By beano (Thursday, 26 Jun 2003 09:43)
hello again!
can anyone tell me - is it actually mcnab who signs at the release of his books or someone else?
>>By hazel (Thursday, 26 Jun 2003 11:28)
Hello, Beano --
Yep, already aware of that and the other articles, read all before; but since the Sunday Times (6/98) was new to me, I posted it in case it was new to others. Your point was?
Hi again, Hazel...
No exact answer as AM supposedly does not do public signings, so how can one really be sure. Then again, Swedish Reader pointed us in the direction of a radio interview AM did last year (pg 10, 2nd post) during which AM himself invited the general listening audience to a public signing at a B&N bookstore in Chicago.
It does seem that AM signs copies in advance of release for numerous booksellers, so basically I suppose it comes down to how/where you obtain the signed copy (i.e., a legitimate bookstore chain). During online chats, AM suggested Transworld would help readers get signed copies. I believe the secret to getting a signed copy from Transworld is that you have to purchase the book itself from Transworld, because they absolutely refuse to assist in getting personal copies (purchased elsewhere) signed by AM.
>>By am-i-binned (Thursday, 26 Jun 2003 14:07)
Back Again... Hello all, hope you are all well.
Finished Firewall now, very good.... Is it just me or do you find yourself suspicious of everyone that Nick meets? If so was this AM's intent? Any keeps me gripped so I guess it works... also keeps me guessing what's going to happen and what will turn up?
Felt very sorry for poor Tom mind, so near yet so far.
Ah well 2 more to go so far, awaiting delivery.. Remote Control and Liberation day..
Digressing a lot, just reading the David Pelzer books too, finished "A Child Called It" now on "The Lost Boy".. anyway sorry there is no link between these two, but this first person style of writing is what I like best...
>>By Ste (Thursday, 26 Jun 2003 19:59)
Just a quick add on...
Strange to look to the left and find so many different book covers.. don't think I've seen any of the sort I have got..
>>By Ste (Thursday, 26 Jun 2003 20:00)
Holland, June 26th
Re: Asher surfing the net under the name.....YOMPER?
LOL Fed-Up. Would you care to explain the use of your name?
Re: SAS men are trained to lie through their glistening teeth
For some (wo-)men this comes naturally – good thing SAS men have to be trained to do so.
Re: "Truth" will always be subject to the intent of the teller.
I’d like to add “… and reader”
Re: Interview with Nick Stone
Oh Paul R, you are so cruel!!!!!
How can you leave us, hanging on your lips with a sentence like “to be continued”….
Punishment hat will not do this time – I’m thinking of some kind of corporal punishment !
Re: There are two people here who know exactly what happened on the B20 mission, one quite vocal the other lurking.
Who are you talking about Buddy?
Re: Pray God you know what you're doing here
What do you mean Buddy?
Puzzle are usually rated by ‘stars’, you know, the more stars the more difficult..??
Your puzzles are out of my league Buddy.
Re: is it actually mcnab who signs
Hi Hazel. He’d better be !!
No fury like a furious cheerleader !
We’ve been talking about all differences in the books (B20, TOTGA, Real B20 and certainly S5 too). When I read this I had to think of that: “In carrying out an operation, each SAS man is exercising his own individual perception and judgement at full stretch” by David Stirling.
Yes Ste.. so many different book covers - but even 'worse'
so many different versions - I hope your Remote Control does have 'my' missing pages.
Take care all,
>>By Lynn (Thursday, 26 Jun 2003 20:59)
Hello again, Ste...
Am I safe in assuming you're in the UK? I have UK and US versions, hence, I'm always comparing. The covers I see to the left seem to be the US ones, and the paperbacks do not have the same covers as the hardbacks.
"2 more to go so far" -- Are RC and LD as the only ones you haven't read yet? If so, please read RC first, then LD. It's a shame you got started out of sequence because of the effective way each builds of the previous... ah, well... you can always re-read them in sequence. vbg! vbw!
All...
Speaking of RC, there is a "significant" passage missing from the US version of Remote Control vs the UK version -- the entire "device swap" incident. Hmmm, very interesting.
Just in case, and with a nod to Buddy's dire warnings, I won't post the passage. If you don't have it or are unsure due to translated versions, let me know and I'll email it (offboard).
>>By am-i-binned (Thursday, 26 Jun 2003 21:44)
Oooh, Lynn! You're in fine form today!
Re: glistening teeth
For some reason, the wolf in Red Riding Hood comes to mind: The better to eat you with, my dear!
Re: cruel Paul R
Ouch, aren't you finding it painful, Paul? Us hanging I mean! (You and Lynn can work that corporal punishment stuff out offboard, thank you!)
Re: Truth
Yes, absolutely!
Re: Questions for Buddy
Ditto me.
Re: Stirling quote
Good one! Quite apropos!
>>By am-i-binned (Thursday, 26 Jun 2003 21:58)
thanks AIB and lynn.
i do hope it is him - i missed 'am' signing by a day a couple of years ago, (for rc) but apparently he is coming back this year for dark winter. there are no definate dates utill a week or so before hand so it is a case of leaving your phone number with the book store and waiting for a call. i cant help wondering if this is just a stunt by the book store to make it all the more exciting - i would feel like a nobber if it was! still - only one way to find out!
AIB - what was all the F-troop thing? were you talking to me? have i missed something?
by the way - i wanted to re-read B20 but the library had no copy and i ended up with a talking book. i was a bit dubious but it is actually rather good - gives the story a 3D feel. i recomend giving it a go, just for the crack!
later all. :-)
>>By hazel (Friday, 27 Jun 2003 16:19)
Hi again, Hazel....
May I ask where you are? And where the signing was that you missed? Where, at which bookstore, is the Dark Winter signing supposed to take place? Think they'll call me if I leave my phone number, too? vbg!
Sorry, I didn't mean to confuse you about F Troop. F Troop was the name of an old US TV situation comedy series about a group of goofy, screw-up soldiers at a frontier army fort in the Wild West (sort of a cowboys and indians version of Hogan's Heros). In Immediate Action, AM tells of one of the places where he was assigned while in the Regiment -- F Troop had become their adopted nickname. (I'm posting from a public PC right now so I don't have my book at hand to ref the exact passage for you). Quite a while back (pg 4, 19th post), Lynn recognized our troop-like qualities, and F Troop began.
F Troop has also become a sort of nickname for those of us who regularly offboard here, and you're more than welcome to join us in doing so. There is a buffer emailbox set up so that we can exchange our personal email addresses without posting them in this public forum. If you're interested, I will post the buffer for you (and for anyone else interested). Understand, however, that personal email addresses are exchanged ONLY if and when both/all parties have agreed to the exchange.
Now you do have me wondering -- which audio version did you listen to? Was it the abridged version AM narrates or the unabridged narrated by Christian Rodska? They are both excellent although very different in their presentations.
>>By am-i-binned (Friday, 27 Jun 2003 17:33)
hello
going on hoiday soon yeah any book recomendations?
>>By christina (Friday, 27 Jun 2003 17:38)
Hi, Christina...
So, are you gonna be chasing the sun? If you want bio reading, per Scouse's recommendation and Lynn's concurrence, I'm reading CQB by Mike Curtis and enjoying it very, very much, so I'd definitely recommend it! Also, I highly recommend Baptism of Fire by Frank Collins.
If you'd like to try a bit of US fiction (vs UK), I'd recommend Up Country and/or The Lion's Game by Nelson DeMille. Both are told in 1st person narrative, with very appealing dark, sarcastic humour (Nick cranked up a notch) and excellent plot lines. Up Country is a 30-year old military murder coverup set in present-day Vietnam--sort of a mission impossible a Vietnam vet has been assigned to solve. The Lion's Game pits "the Lion" (a zealot middle eastern terrorist) against a former NY detective on special assignment with the ATTF (US Anti-Terrorist Task Force). For me, both are on a par with Remote Control and Crisis Four, and Up Country also has a touch of B20 and Immediate Action.
When's your holiday start?
>>By am-i-binned (Friday, 27 Jun 2003 18:17)
Nowhere posh just wales. i go in three weeks.
omg to many books to choose from now. Can't find the lions game though on amazon but found up country think i might read that and nooooo they have run out of BOF which i was going to buy anyway. but im not sure about CQB might give it go from the libray and if i like it then buy a copy.
>>By christina (Friday, 27 Jun 2003 18:49)
Ooops, Christina, hope you don't get into hot water with lurkers from Wales! vbg! vbw! ;o)
Before you go to the expense of buying any of these books from Amazon or wherever, have you checked your library for them or are you saying that you have checked and CQB is the only one available from your library? Either way, if CQB is available, I say take it for sure!
For a sampling of The Lion's Game (gives you a really good idea right away of DeMille's sarcastic and not-always-PC humour):
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0446608262/
qid=1056736308/sr=2-2/ref=sr_2_2/002-8818327-7704051
(remove hard return where the hyperlink wraps)
Sorry, All...
I know I've drifted way off-topic with this -- but DeMille's characters (John Corey/Lion's Game, Paul Brenner/Up Country) do share similar humour and intensity with AM's Nick Stone... temporary substitutes to pass the time until Dark Winter is published...
>>By am-i-binned (Friday, 27 Jun 2003 20:27)
Very good AIB.. I do live in the UK... scared now.. what else do you know about me??? :)
I get the jist of the background story plot in the books, although I have read them in a very strange order.. but needs must eh..
Have a good un in Sunny Ol Wales Christina.. btw I'm not welsh but wales is good.
>>By Ste (Friday, 27 Jun 2003 20:47)
yeah it should be good i need a break lol
>>By christina (Friday, 27 Jun 2003 21:41)
any lurkers from wales know the best spots?
>>By christina (Saturday, 28 Jun 2003 11:14)
Christina, I haven't been lurking, just dropped back to town pad for business reasons (pick up mail/e-mail/ check out status on message board, and then it's back to roof removal/rebuild in beautiful Pembrokeshire.
I wouldn't normally post this sort of info on board, but a lot is relevant to AM et al, as in training and other activities = many IRA cashe found along South Pemb coastline, and still unsolved killings IRA style. I could go off at tangent about undercover stories etc, but one or two would probably think it a tad boring, so I'll piss them off with a tourist guide. As AM knows only too well, in-car satellite navigation (map) systems can route you the shortest distance on screen but in reality can be twice as far on mountain/coastal roads...Like "see you tomorrow, sometime, I'll cancel dinner for tonight at nine..."
What sort of spots? Beach/surfing/coastal path walking/historical (more castles per square acre in Wales than anywhere else) mountain walking/ pony trekking, tourist hot spots.
Technically border country linked to Welsh Marches: Hereford - ( mediaeval Charter to residents) = any Welshman seen in city centre on a Sunday to be shot on sight...
Haye-on Wye (book festival town) consisting of famous book shops per square foot.
South/West of H0W - the now famous Pen-y-Fan = Andy McNab et al
Spectacular scenery
Swansea has phenominal night-life - night clubs per square inch in city centre - Dylan Thomas Centre (poet) + the Mumbles Mile = pubs per square inch
Laugharne = Dylan Thomas Boathouse/village pubs owned by Neil Morrisey (Men Behaving Badly)
Pembrokeshire (Little England beyond Wales - "POSH" - London house prices/fancy yachts/OG cruisers in marinas) superb sandy beaches (many doggy friendly sections) lots of Cornish style coves/harbours - Oakwood Theme Park/ or historical sites/Prescelly Hills blue stones as seen at StoneHenge etc. Island boat trips to working Monastry/ seals/rare birds/deep sea fishing/swimming with wild dolphins...(they find you, sometimes inquisitive seals, too..)...Follow coast north to Ynyslas beach/sandunes/sandy Dovey estuary - north of Aberystwyth
Heading to Machynlleth/Felen Fach Water Wheel/ Artists Valley = famous Led Zepplin (RBand) house.
Machynlleth = Owen Glyndwr first man to set up democratic parliament in UK.
Spectacular scenery northward via Aberdovey coast road to:
Port Meiron the Italianate village = The Prisoner
Snowdonia National park = Snowdon & mini railways
Throughout Wales - bestselling authors at every turn trying to escape the "rabble rich" Celeb English now prevalent in Middle England/West Country/Cheshire/Cotswolds/Algarve/Tuscany etc...
Much of Wales still consists of unspoilt countryside, vast open spaces and fabulous beaches...
The only thing Wales hasn't got (once you get past Swansea) is horrible industrial scapes and towny commercialism
>>By buddy (Saturday, 28 Jun 2003 17:33)
ok then information overload lol
>>By christina (Saturday, 28 Jun 2003 19:46)
I used to know the Lleyn peninsula fairly well and the coast road north to England, Caernarfan, Bangor. Any good?
>>By Mhorag (Saturday, 28 Jun 2003 20:14)
I am going to porth cowl (i not sure of the spelling sorry)
>>By christina (Saturday, 28 Jun 2003 20:27)
Porthcawl is too far south for me. Sorry.
>>By Mhorag (Saturday, 28 Jun 2003 21:07)
Has anyone ever visited the site about 'movie-mistakes' ?
"Our" Bravo Two Zero is there with... 1 mistake. Not bad since there are films with over 100 mistakes (Titanic 164 !).
About B20 the site says:
"After the team has had its first contact, Andy McNab kicks over a dead Iraqi soldier. Look at his neck just as he rolls over, and around his eye. You will see that the actor playing the dead soldier is a white man with dark makeup"
>>By Lynn (Saturday, 28 Jun 2003 21:50)
Hello.
I'm a huge fan of Andy Mcnab. I love all his Fiction and non, especially Immediate Action. Which brings me to my point. I have just finished "Freefall", by Tom Read, who was in Mcnabs SAS troop, and is named as Nosh, in "Immediate Action".The book is brilliant by the way, but, he describes the incident in Northern Ireland, where they had to protect the UDA major. Mcnab states in IA, that he was the driver of the renault, but guess what, Read say's he was the driver of the renault. In fact Read, doesn't even mention that Mcnab was Involved.
It made me wonder who is actually telling the truth, and whether or not, these storys are real.
>>By Pen y Fan (Saturday, 28 Jun 2003 21:53)
Hi, Lynn...
Favor to ask -- do you have a hyperlink for that site? (sorry, I'm being lazy, I know....) ;o)
Welcome, Pen y Fan...
Very nice nickname! Yes, you're quite correct that Tom Read (Charles Bruce) describes this particular incident differently from AM's version in IA. And Frank Collins in his book Baptism of Fire gives a third version of the events which took place as they were attempting to thwart a hit on the UDR major. Although each tells the story differently, I have no doubt whatsoever that the actual incident took place since the main points are the same; it's the details which vary. And, sadly, the death of an innocent bystander, Frederick Jackson, on October 19, 1984, is the most tragic evidence that the actual event took place. (http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/alpha/J.html)
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 28 Jun 2003 23:11)
Hi again.
I also read "Baptism of fire", and to be honest i didn't enjoy it. It was just full of the same stories, missions, and people .The only difference, was, the token childhood memories, of broken home's and dysfunctional familes. I did find the fact that he killed himself, not long after the book was published quite sad, and it sort of proves these guys are pretty lost without the Regiment..
>>By Pen y Fan (Sunday, 29 Jun 2003 02:29)
Can anyone tell me "where" a facial scar is located on AM and "what caused it" ?
It's not mentioned in books, as far as I'm aware...
Anyone who can answer both the above genuinely knows the fella. The rest, well, need I say more!!!
Without mention of named persons who've recently posted - so many newbies on the block - the death of SAS men, whether in battle or by suicide, it isn't all to do with their being unable to survive without the reg...Its far more complicated. There are people in civvy street who've never been in, or attached to special forces, who suffer similar traumatic breakdown of the WHY FACTOR, ie; police, company execs, etc...
I haven't time to explain the psychological impact of the reg on these men before they even went into battle situations, but I guess Am-I-binned will point you to relevant articles/discussions posted here/other and archived stuff discussed offline...
>>By buddy (Sunday, 29 Jun 2003 10:44)
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