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Me, are you asking Christina to marry you?? If she says yes, could you marry her on page 50? We already have a celebration planned there..
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 2 Jul 2003 11:11)
OOOOPS !!!! We've made it: page 50 !!!
Gather around lot, bring the balloons (girlie style haha)
for those under 18 (most of us), the rest bring their own
bourbon or whatever...
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 2 Jul 2003 11:15)
Good grief! 50 pages! Who wudda thunk? Well, that certainly lends credence to my comment below about "most active forum"!
Welcome, Ortlieb...
SAS book discussion groups seem very few and hard to find. There are various military-book newsgroups, and I occasionally find interesting threads on the Victoria Cross messageboards, but, for the most part, we're probably the most active forum you'll find. As to "debate and controversy" -- well, we do have occasional encounters here, I confess (and, sadly, I'm often guilty). I strongly second Sheba's suggestion; please do visit the Dean Francis website and his forum here, too. :o)
Hello again, Beth....
FN's book might be worth the trek for the pictures, but not necessarily the text. vbw!
Hello again, Me...
Very insightful -- thank you. Not to worry re: answering, I've been told that I'm aggressively protective -- you just got a small sampling, I'm afraid...
Lynn and Boris...
Understood, will exchange...
>>By am-i-binned (Wednesday, 2 Jul 2003 11:33)
Having a very dull day, so I'll bore you all with my favourite bit of AM, I have no idea why but the bit in B20 where he poos in Dinger's cell always sticks in my head. Did anyone see the Real B20 the other night? Seemed a little too nicely wrapped for my liking, and as for not beating him and giving him tea... hmmmm. Now see what boredoms done for you......you've had a paragraph full of drivvle, lunch is calling.
>>By Beth (Wednesday, 2 Jul 2003 13:10)
My lurking is down to masochism and love for all things bitchy women. You girls do yourselves proud girls. You never cease to rise like fresh baked buns with a good flame under your backsides
Hey Me, there you go the spokeswoman has passed you fit to post what you want to say not words put into your mouth from the mouth backstage. That is a really new and interesting angle.
See if you pose a question someone don't want to anwer you gets back a few snide comments. That way the mouth hopes you will go away because the question of how would the boss woman treat Andy M won't be answered.
I'll ask again how is Andy Mcnab to prove who he is if he comes to this forum? Because on past performance of the boss woman he'll be told to f....k off . no shit.
So who is sh.....ing who?
>>By pacemaker (Wednesday, 2 Jul 2003 13:16)
Might it be a good idea to send Andy Mcnab a note by way of his literary agent telling the author to wear combat gear including helmet and body armour if he is going to pay avisit to this forum!?!?
From reading the last few posts + pages 1234567891011 tMr Mcnab would have a hard time convincing am-i-binned that he was the real thing, and what a nasty thing to say to pacemaker perhaps you would like to resume your former position?
I came here to meet with Mr Mcnab fans but I am not sure I want to stay now. Would Mr Mcnab feel honoured to be part of this forum? I think not. I think he would wish it fall into a dark hole.
I hope by the time I have ploughed through from page 11 to 48 the tone of posters will be more harmonious and less abusive.
ps I am in the UK
>>By pam (Wednesday, 2 Jul 2003 13:53)
Thank you for letting me join in.
I - as many others before me - got introduced to the world of SAS-soldiering by reading The One That Got Away by Chris Ryan and Bravo Two Zero. These were the type of books that fitted me like hand-in-glove since I at the time was about to embark on a military adventure of my own, applying for an NCO training school with the Norwegian Army, and later serving as platoon-commander in a Recce squadron up north (I'm Norwegian by the way).
SOP's, contact-drills, E&E etc (the ones we use are more or less copied or based from the ones applied by the SAS and other SF-units) is therefore something in not totally unfamiliar with.
I can understand those authors (as of now, I've discovered two that have "stuck their necks out": Michael Asher and Peter Ratcliffe) who are disappointed by how various authors like Andy McNab, Chris Ryan, Cameron Spence, Peter "Yorky" Crossland etc have taken into describing events a tad more "colourful" compared to what actually may have happened.
This is more or less the basis of the "debate and controversy" I mentioned earlier. As I've stated before, this is something I find fascinating, and it keeps me searching for info that provides the most nuanced version of events that has taken place (kind of like Fox Mulder I suppose ;)
Still, if this stuff is too far off the mark to be included in an Andy McNab-forum, then I will politely stand down and forever hold my peace. My intention is not to invade, but to contribute.
I also have to note that I own several books of Ryan, McNab, Spence and others, and find these to be a most enjoyable reading.
Comments will be appreciated.
>>By ortlieb (Wednesday, 2 Jul 2003 14:43)
Hi Pam,
I'm sorry you arrived at this point where we might not look to be at 'best behaviour', please do read through all pages, maybe you'll think different.
Don't worry about Pacemaker and our response. He's a big guy, he can handle it.
Yes, Pacemaker to answer your question: I have no idea if we would recognize him. It will much depend on how he would approach us if he decided to visit. You might 'know' us from lurking - we may be cheerleading here but what's the harm?
And there's so little news at the moment so why shouldn't we just hang around, meeting other fans. There's no rule here except for the ones MG set up and treating each other with the respect you want yourself. If we were bitchy - I can't recall it to be to someone who was being respectfull to us. If you think otherwise give an example - and I'm not saying this in an agressive way, maybe you're right and we can learn from it.
As for Andy - liking this board or not - I have no idea, I don;t know him personally. If I were a writer though I would at least be flattered to see so many people discussing my books. Discussing personal life? Don't know, but I'm sure he'll have a good laugh about the speculations - so what?
As long as he keeps writing the books we like... and I bet you like them too.
Take care all,
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 2 Jul 2003 14:45)
Oops... detail correction:
That would be *patrol*-commander, not platoon. I'm not a bloody rupert, am I? :)
Well, actually I am *now* (2nd Lieutenant), but I was a sergeant at the time.
Cheers...
>>By ortlieb (Wednesday, 2 Jul 2003 15:34)
Hi Ortlieb,
I did like to read your post and I think it's not at all off topic.
We have discussed differences in stories, but it's impossible for us to find out the truth since we were not there.
We've agreed that all writer's have their own agenda.
Question for you since you may know more because of your fascination: stories are 'coloured'. How much of the colouring do you think was done by the writer and how much by the MOD, how much by the publisher?
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 2 Jul 2003 16:43)
hello me
of course i will but one question: why me?
i need help getting over my obsession over the library i go ther and come back with way too many books and its just so hard help me. lol
>>By christina (Wednesday, 2 Jul 2003 19:03)
Interview with Nick Stone (Cont'):
His head was slumped forward, displaying a dried red-brown clump of hair where he had taken a heavy knockout blow from behind. Maybe that was how they had taken him down I thought. I wanted to see his face.
"Look up Mr Stone."
Slowly he raised his head so his eyes met mine. I wasn't quite sure what was going on inside him at that stage as he looked wild with anger, and yet totally distraught. His eyes were welled up.
"Where is she?" I shouted at him as I stood and reached under my jacket. He watched my hand come to rest on something solid. He knew exactly what it was, but didn't bat an eyelid. He was deep in thought.
"Who are you?" He asked quietly.
"My name is Michael Garner. Marsha was my sister." I answered through gritted teeth. Again images of the police photographs taken from the family home flashed through my mind and I had to control the wave of hate.
His head dropped again. I wondered if my face was now suddenly jumping out from his memory banks. Memories of photographs he would have seen in the Browns house. Photographs with me in them.
"Michael" he mumbled, his head bobbing up and down as he rocked gently in his chair. "Uncle Mike." He knew I was telling the truth. He did remember.
"Mr Stone. Where is Kelly?" I asked again.
He looked up at me.
"I'll take you to her. If you get me out of here, I'll take you to her."
I studied him long and hard. I knew that if I gave him even the slightest of chances he would try to take me out. But I had limited options. Besides, the wheels were in motion.
I stepped outside the door and punched a number into my cell.
"Hello?"
"It's Garner. Plan Bravo. Plan Bravo."
"Copy that. Plan Bravo."
I shut down the phone & stepped back inside the cell. He was staring at me intently.
"Get up Mr Stone. We're leaving."
to be continued
>>By Paul R (Wednesday, 2 Jul 2003 19:14)
omg to be continued agian you are truly evil!!! lol
>>By christina (Wednesday, 2 Jul 2003 19:19)
Thank you, Paul R... I needed that!
>>By am-i-binned (Wednesday, 2 Jul 2003 19:42)
I'll answer my own question here, wich was :wich ones are the toughest, seals, marines.....
Now every regiment or corps has its traditional way of training, but it 's written here
(this is from an article I found ) that it's the Seals who are the most prepared. The Us Army Special Forces A-Team
are trained to change the tactical response on the field if the one that was ordered failed (and they always fail according to Tolstoj in Love and War). The Green Caps are the best snippers, Seals are the most resistant, and Delta Force are the best for the secret missions. (now I don't know if green caps is the right word, you know I had to translate from italian to english). Nothing written about the SAS. Maybe AM can fill in here for us?What do you guys and galls think?
Great Paul R,now it's not that you have DW in front of you now is it, and you're giving us a preview of it.
Lynn : good question. Reading AM, and now and then peeking into CR's book . I think the Mod didn't colour all that much, maybe they just indicated the direction they could go and tell you what to leave out . As for AM and CR, they're the ones that know how it went, and I figure that a bit of colouring here and taking away there has been done.
Christina : are we invited at the wedding? don't forget the flowers, remember you have to throw them in the air so one of us can catch them and who knows maybe one of us could become wife nr. 6 (ooops, sorry AM, didn't mean to offend).
Ortlieb: wich one did you like best B20 or TOTGA, I'm reading B20 now, I just luv it (for now)
Buddy: are you still alive? where are you???
I'm thinking of changing my name , I mean boris, you should all see who boris really is here. Ha!
>>By boris (Wednesday, 2 Jul 2003 20:24)
Great Paul, we may have to ask MG to get your own board soon !
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 2 Jul 2003 20:26)
Im sorry you will have to ask 'me' about the arragements
>>By christina (Wednesday, 2 Jul 2003 20:38)
Nice one, christina.
>>By Mhorag (Wednesday, 2 Jul 2003 20:51)
crikey Christina, you were quick to say yes!
I'm gonna get real personal in public now and hope you do the same. i am in my twenties, six foot+, (15stone)muscular, clever, read & write lots, and rich (ok, work out the lies for yourself)
how about you? i can tab to any part of the world as long as i get 48 hours notice and i'll give an eta
what's your statistics?
OK, I know this is an andy mcnab forum and this post is totally irrelevant so i'll add the question: whats your fav mcnab book? there, i should meet requirements now.......
>>By me (Wednesday, 2 Jul 2003 20:55)
Boris, you did give away some clue when you said:
"one of us could become wife nr. 6"
(unless you plan to operate on yourself - but then also a change of name would be in order)
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 2 Jul 2003 20:55)
Oh Me, I love this... it's food for those who think this board has become a girlie stupid but I love it!
Go for it you 2 !
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 2 Jul 2003 21:00)
In my teens, toned, five foot+, genius, love reading and writing but dont have much time, can't tab anywhere use buses, taxis etc lol. yep work out the lies there is one there some people should guesss it and report back.
But you still didnt answer why me? i would really like to know!
id have to say my fave book was Last Light. what about everyone else?
If anybody wants to offboard my set-up email address is veryconfused20@hotmail.com will be deleting it shortly though when i find out how lol.
Calm down dear lynn have you taken your medicine lol!
>>By christina (Wednesday, 2 Jul 2003 21:35)
Paul R, I’ve had a bad day, hangover, sudden brake fail and upstairs kicking off. So I’ve got a favour to ask. Get him out the cells and cuffs off pronto, please? What triggered this? A blindfold on a hand-cuffed woman on a chair in a grey room. Images mirroring fiction. Ross Kemp in passing. And the hangover.
>>By Mhorag (Wednesday, 2 Jul 2003 23:41)
Lynn:
Personally I find it more than likely that the publisher would be the part that would have the strongest interest (and little to no misgivings) regarding "modifying" a story for the sake of sales and profit. This is clearly what happened when TOTGA got converted into film by ITV. Chris Ryan was to act as technical advisor in this project, and was promised that he would always have the final word in order to keep the storytelling as accurate as possible.
As it turned out, ITV conveniently "forgot" that part of the deal, and he was less than happy with the end-result. Ryan explains this in the new version of TOTGA which includes a new foreword-section where he comments on some of the criticism the book has received over the years.
On the other hand, I'm pretty sure McNab has taken into modifying a few things himself - distances and locations for instance. TOTGA appears to more accurate than BTZ in that area, at least according to Michael Ashers investigation portrayed in his book The Real Bravo Two Zero. But I don't think Ryan's a saint either. I'm sure he's had his moments of creativity also.
boris:
I tend to hold TOTGA as a favourite of the two, but that's only because I feel it's a bit more accurate than BTZ in certain aspects. On the other hand, in BTZ McNab has a lot more praise for Ryan than what Ryan has for McNab in his book. Such things aside though; both McNab and Ryan individually had to endure an extremely tough situation, and their stories make a remarkable read each of their own - whatever any discrepancies or inaccuracies that tag along.
I recommend reading TOTGA when you've finished BTZ. It's interesting to see how the same situation is perceived by two different pairs of eyes.
>>By ortlieb (Thursday, 3 Jul 2003 09:08)
Lynn:
Sorry, forgot about the MoD. My guess is that the MoD would either approve is disapprove of a certain text or paragraph. Perhaps in certain cases they would give McNab (and other writers) the choice "either you remove this portion of text entirely, or modify it to our specifications", but I doubt they'd bother to actively colour the content.
>>By ortlieb (Thursday, 3 Jul 2003 09:25)
I dislike having to be confrontational but I have now read through the extensive list and could if pushed present numerous cases of bitchiness to perfectly polite posters, more perhaps than you would care to accept as down to yourself alone. Perhaps a little recapping all round is called for. It is I know very hard to admit to wrong doing but sometimes self analysis will reveal depths of our own indaquecies unseen before .The result can be shockingly honest in that we may have hurt another's feelings in our ignorance and haste to inform them of our own self importance. Long term posters are prone to assume dominance of forums by default of being first in the know of all things to do with that forum. A dynasty in the making is quite recognisable here, and where it became a tyranny is marked by triumphal chants of behind scenes "get rid get rid get rid" and it shows markedly where the long term members rallied to the call to deride and to send newbies backpacking out of the forum.
Backstabbing is despicable!!! Straight talking is the honourable route to forum management. And although I have read all of Mr Mcnab's books I do not feel able to contribute to a discusssion on this particular forum. From the reading of past performances of long term members I feel sure it would become a one-sided affair. At best the newer members have managed to impart a sense of acceptance at the same time blissfully unaware of mickey takers.
Forums have addictable qualities and I expect I shall look in to see who will deride this post as they surely will. It would not take a sooth sayer to give a clue to the names of those will jump first.
>>By pam (Thursday, 3 Jul 2003 09:27)
The above addressed to Lynn.
>>By pam (Thursday, 3 Jul 2003 09:29)
Please, do not compare my statement to any previous poster as seen on previous pages.
Pamela Doon I am and Pamela Doon I intend to remain for the rest of my life.
>>By pam (Thursday, 3 Jul 2003 09:35)
well - what a wrist slapping - eh children?
i have to agree in a couple of ways with pam - the forum does seem rather one sided at times, and a bit bitchy - BUT..... it is up to the newbies to 'get themselves in' and if a contributor does not like the bitchiness and back stabbing they are free to leave......
by the way - i really do not like chris ryan. in totga he slates everyone but never holds his hands up and says 'my bad'. i think he is/was jelous of andy and is also a big head.......
erm..... can i write that????? or is it a bit too bitchy for this forum??????!!!
>>By hazel (Thursday, 3 Jul 2003 10:52)
Hazel
I have to agree with you on both points, being over-sensitive is never a good quality, sometimes the best policy is to take comments at face value. As for CR, totally agree with you. I really didn't like his attitude and his assumption that he should have led and would have led with greater success. Sometimes the only way to hide your own weaknesses are to point out those of other people. I bet his ego led the way to Syria (oops, hope he never catches up with me!)
>>By Beth (Thursday, 3 Jul 2003 12:06)
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