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I've only seen the movies and played the computer games. I mentioned Clancy as he's more or less the icon of military-thriller authors. Still, McNab kicks his ass! (probably). Bold statement as I've yet to read anything written by Clancy, but I'll take my chances.
Well.... see you guys later anyway.
>>By ortlieb (Friday, 11 Jul 2003 17:55)
I haver never read him either sorry but i have nearly finished BOF and im picking my books up from the libray tommorrow. That google error was really funny after a bad day like today thanx!!!
>>By christina (Friday, 11 Jul 2003 18:35)
Hmmm... considering AM's military training and Clancy's lack thereof... Oh, absolutely, Ortlieb! (vbg! vbw!). As to stories, however, we're definitely talking apples and oranges. And while TC's games seem to be quite excellent, only the movie Hunt for Red October comes close to the power or true plotline(s) of his books.
Lethe, I'm guessing you've read Clancy if your pref has been toward thrillers. Any personal favourites?
No prob, Christina -- Clancy can wait (vbw!). I probably have more than enough books on your nightstand as it is. When you've finished BoF, let us know. Why bad day?
>>By am-i-binned (Friday, 11 Jul 2003 18:48)
Christina...
Major brain/finger glitch! Meant to say: I think you probably...
(cuz I took my books off your nightstand last night.... wink, wink!)
>>By am-i-binned (Friday, 11 Jul 2003 18:54)
lol nearly finished
>>By christina (Friday, 11 Jul 2003 20:06)
Wow, glad to have reached 56. That was some page nr. 55.
Just a quick word to say hello to you all and to Lethe.
Hoi Lethe, leuk je te zien hier. 7000 boeken?!! Very impressed. Are you on more boards on gnod?
Christina, wish I had your time to spare or that I'd be as quick as you - nearly finished BoF! I leave now, maybe it means I might have some time left at the end of this day... (for reading I mean)
Take care,
>>By Lynn (Friday, 11 Jul 2003 20:57)
don't mean to sound daft but what's the full name of BoF?
>>By eagles nest (Friday, 11 Jul 2003 22:04)
Finished baptism of fire and its sad to know that he took his own life after what he said in the epilogue!
Lynn i never had time but i learnt to take my book everywhere i read it on the bus when i talking to people when im working when im on the computer etc........
>>By christina (Friday, 11 Jul 2003 22:12)
Slip of the tongue am-i-binned? "No prob, Christina -- Clancy can wait (vbw!). I probably have more than enough books on your nightstand as it is."
Unless you wrote them they can't be yours I think.
Is there another Ludlum or Semour fan here and is there a board at gnooks for those authors? I am a little tired of waiting on Mcnab's next book.
>>By paul (Friday, 11 Jul 2003 22:22)
BoF is (like Christina said) Baptism of Fire by Frank Collins, he joined the army as a signaller at young age, made it into the SAS and became a Christian. His book is about the SAS but not so much full of action, it's much more about his life before and after he became a Christian and what it meant to be in the SAS, being a soldier and being a Christian at the same time. It's a struggle and he tells his story in a very appealling way. I'm reading it at the moment, not finished but getting there and I love it. AIB has read it too, she can tell you about it too if interested. He mentiones Andy too, very shortly but in a nice way. If I find that I'll post it.
>>By Lynn (Friday, 11 Jul 2003 22:35)
Hello again, Paul...
Well, I guess the answer is yes and no and no -- Yes, there is a forum for Robert Ludlum; no, no one has posted there yet; and no, there doesn't seem to be a forum for "Semour". I, too, like Ludlum. Here's a shortcut: www.gnooks.com/discussion/ludlum.html
As to nightstand books, maybe I'm mistaken but can't I consider every book I own or purchased to be "my" book? (vbg! vbw!) (shhh, Christina, don't say anything more, okay?)
Hi again, Eagles Nest...
Other here too besides me have read or are reading BoF. I do recommend it highly. As Lynn said, it's not all action, most is more personal, but I especially liked the way which Frank Collins describes/explains everything from kitting up to selection to cross-training with US forces to his career post-Regiment/pre-ordination. I found it to be a very compelling story, and all the more so because of his death a year after publication.
>>By am-i-binned (Friday, 11 Jul 2003 22:59)
Has any one been watching the news (UK) about the young freefall parachutist from Hereford. It's definitely a murder case. The straps on his parachute and reserve cut right through. Someone wanted him dead that's for sure. Makes you think him from Hereford. Could it have be mistaken identity. Same name as someone else? I don't think he was SAS but his parents were a bit shady about his life like things they said they didn't know about.
>>By paul (Friday, 11 Jul 2003 23:31)
Hello all...
Found an article on the web that pretty provides a synopsis of ex SAS-members writing books and the various forms of friction that has taken place later on.
Parts of this article has been referred to in earlier postings, but it's an interesting read all the same.
Here's the link:
http://books.guardian.co.uk/news/articles/
0,6109,915923,00.html
>>By ortlieb (Friday, 11 Jul 2003 23:54)
Hoi Lynn, we zijn even oud!
About Tom Clancy: I read Hunt for Red October and another one about an IRA bombing that kills the main character's wife and child.
They were just stories, nothing special.
Then there was Alistair MacLean, and do any of you know Desmond Bagley?
I used to like him a lot.
But these kind of stories aren't even of a genre I'm normally interested in.
So it's not really the genre that interests me.
It's so good because it's so real, he knows what he's talking about.
You can tell, even if you didn't know beforehand.
Another thriller writer I like very much is Kathy Reichs.
Her main character is a forensic anthropologist who helps solve murder cases.
Kathy Reichs is a forensic pathologist herself.
She also knows what she's talking about, and she's great.
Though still not as good as AM.
You know what they say: if you want to be a good writer, write about what you know.
Books I can recomend: Deja Dead, Death du Jour and Deadly Decisions by Kathy Reichs.
And if you like them, you may also like books by Patricia Cornwell.
>>By Lethe (Saturday, 12 Jul 2003 00:26)
paul, what 20 year old guys parents know what their upto? how is it shady they didn't know?
>>By eagles nest (Saturday, 12 Jul 2003 00:44)
Parents know what a 20 year old guy is up to if some choose to turn a blind eye. I could see from television appeal the parents were distressed by something wich had no reason. Any parent have a rough idea who their children are hanging out with and how could he have enemies who want to kill him for no reason and go to trouble of careful cutting and concealing the straps. The man had packed his own parachute for jump next day. It was canceled and he jump days later so it not suicide is it?
>>By paul (Saturday, 12 Jul 2003 10:07)
the parents were desperate for some news, a tiny bit of info that could lead to finding the killer. there son was at a party the night before so how could they know what he was doing, they weren't there(i don't think). the shocking thing is the poor parents will probably know their sons murderer.
>>By eagles nest (Saturday, 12 Jul 2003 10:24)
It dont matter if parents not at the party the parachute was not at the party either. It was locked in storage room at the airfield. Straps could have been cut days before the party because the scheduled jump was canceled days before the party. Sad business for parents and friends.
>>By paul (Saturday, 12 Jul 2003 10:35)
it is so very sad for everyone who knew him. i got the impression from bbc news that the store room was pretty much open to everyone and not very secure. people constantly had reasons for entering.
>>By eagles nest (Saturday, 12 Jul 2003 10:54)
A lock room mean some one had to have a key or break and enter and that did not happen did it. there was no broken lock.
You new like me so how you find this forum?
I am reading liberation Day have you?
>>By paul (Saturday, 12 Jul 2003 12:59)
Hoi, Lethe...
Maclean I like very much so I did some reading up on Desmond Bagley and see why you mentioned him along with Maclean. (I like Maclean very much.) From a critique I found, Landslide and Tightrope Men look particularly intriguing. Are these ones you'd recommend for my overly optimistic, ever growing if-I-can-ever-find-the-time reading list? Oooh, and by the way, very intriguing picture in your profile!
Hi, Paul...
Tried looking for an author "Semour" but couldn't find -- could you maybe give his/her full name? Also, how far along are you in Liberation Day and how are you finding it compared to AM's previous fictions?
Re: Parachutist's death
Regardless of whether this was specific targeting, mistaken id, or random selection, it is a terribly tragic, senseless loss of a very young and promising life. Even if they find the person who cut the pull cords, the full unbiased truth will never really be known (very much like we so often discuss here). His parents, family and friends will always suffer with lingering questions. Sympathy and prayers for all.
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 12 Jul 2003 13:45)
I have now started the lions game Nelson Demille. Its good so far but how many times can he write anyway! its near enough at the beginning of every paraghraph!
>>By christina (Saturday, 12 Jul 2003 14:12)
Aaah, you'll just have to come to NYC sometime then, Christina! (and you've really got me grinning now thinking of Corey's sarcasm...fanx!)
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 12 Jul 2003 14:17)
Hi am-i-binned,
Glad you like my face ;)
Landslide and Tightrope Men are nice, and I liked High Citadel, The Vivero Letters, and Windfall.
But they're all ok.
Am reading B20 now.
It's a lot more technical than his fiction (I'm not technical at all, and some parts I don't even quite understand), with even more abbreviations I can't remember, but after a while I found myself completely engrossed in spite of that.
Found the am I binned part :)
Hi Lynn, I'm not on other boards here.
Just on some Yahoo and MSN groups, mostly for Tolkien fans.
And what about you?
>>By Lethe (Saturday, 12 Jul 2003 14:26)
This Paul thing is getting a bit confusing. We have Paul R. our Aussie bloke, we’ve had Paul W. but he didn’t seem to like us very much and you are another Paul Paul? Maybe it’s a nice idea if you could put an initial behind your name too, so we know who we’re talking to.
As promised from BoF:
We’re joined by a new boy, a cocky Cockney of about my height and build. He’s clearly a good soldier but he’s too keen for us. His last experience of the jungle was on selection where everyone does everything right and you’re under constant pressure. Now he’s all eyes and ears: “Watch out… what’s that over there? Look out!” But this isn’t selection. There’s work to do and we set ourselves targets which are realistic. Experienced soldiers are at one with the jungle. We melt through it leaving no trace of ourselves. We don’t use machetes, we just bend branches out of our way. We come across big animals, an elephant perhaps, only feet away. It looks at us and then turns and disappears noiselessly into the undergrowth. A big, unhurried creature which moves silently, at the right pace for the terrain. That’s how we should be. But the new boy’s always in a hurry, like all new boys. “We could get there faster if we do this… let’s use our machetes, OK, mate? We grimace at each other. “Calm down. You’re not on selection now. Just get at the back of the patrol and watch what we do” The lad’s name is Andy McNab. McNab’s just into the Regiment but I see that it’s already occupying the number one position in his life. His ambitions, his skills, his soldiering, they’re everything to him.
Hi Lethe, and we are old aren't we... ;-)
I am usually just here, Andy McNab is my favorite writer and we also make jumps to Dean Francis, check him out too because we think he has very much of Andy's style.
I think you are reading B20 in English because you found Am I Binned? Why don't you read it in Dutch, much easier to understand. I only read Liberation Day in English because I couldn't wait, but when it's published in Holland, this fall, then I'll buy and read Dutch version too. By the way did you know there are differences in the versions of the different countries, even UK and US are different at some points.
My sour point - still - is that I think I was cheated of 4 pages of Remote Control that are not in the Dutch version.
Also definitely try to read the books in order of publication..
Take care all,
>>By Lynn (Saturday, 12 Jul 2003 14:40)
Oooh, Lethe and Eagles Nest...
Just quickly (off to work all day today--yuck!)... I think we overlooked telling you to check out Dean Francis (his website and a forum here): http://www.dean-francis.co.uk and
http://www.gnooks.com/discussion/dean+francis.html
Excellent sample chapters for two of his books on his website!
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 12 Jul 2003 14:43)
Ooops, Lynn.... TZ (Twilight Zone) postings again re: DF! ;o)
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 12 Jul 2003 14:46)
Beg pardon Semour was Seymour. He wrote.
Harry's Game
The Glory Boys
Kingfisher
Red Fox
The Contract
Archangel
In Honour Bound
Field of Blood
A Song in the Morning
At Close Quarters
Home Run
Condition Black
The Journeyman Tailor
The Fighting Man
The Heart of the Dragon
Killing Ground
The Waiting Time
A Line in the Sand
No author I find can beat him and I like Mcnab but he not a match for Seymour.
I am sad to say disapointed with Liberation Day and half way in book.
>>By paul (bolter) (Saturday, 12 Jul 2003 17:00)
Ain't that cute, I've got myself a swish orange hat!
Thought I'd better after I heard my name had beentaken in vain (used by someone else)
Christina, if you like a thumping good read you'll enjoy the "Lion's Game" at what, 600 pgs +.
Constant usage of "Anyway" is a tad less narcisisstic than the proverbial "I" as seen in most novels written from first-person perspective, and he is (NM) in thought mode at the beginning, and explaining who he is...
Am-I-Binned, "TRUCE". I can't be assed with duals at dawn anymore, I'd fire before the count was done just to get it over with like putting a dog out of its misery...(TinC)
I expected bells and whistles with an orange hat, at least a Martini, and, the possibilty of party atmosphere...
Paul (bolter) you'll love Gerald Seymour's "Holding The Zero", if you haven't already read it. I've got his latest on order...
Promise I will read AM's LL & LD before picking up GS /CR latest & Ludlum's last just before he died.
>>By buddy (Saturday, 12 Jul 2003 17:36)
Hey Buddy, you just got of that roof then... hope it's all
fixed!
So I didn't know better then you read RC and C4, you're starting LL now, does that mean you have read Firewall?
>>By Lynn (Saturday, 12 Jul 2003 18:30)
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