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About the MoD sueing ex-SAS members, I find it esay for them to say "you get no right to speak" and can't even tell your stories. Wheteher SAS or regular, soldiers' restrictions about classified or secret info should only be linked to their soldier status. I mean once off the army, I can't understand they are asked to shut up about that. SAS,like others, ain't stupid to divulgate what they shouldn't. I can't deny that some members used their SAS status to write books and make money, but after all, who will blame them??? That's the same for the MoD: why are they instituing proceedings against former members? These actions won't delete what they have already revealed. If they act that way to prevent other regiment members from talking, I guess they're doing a mistake too! Let's remember that by now, the army and SF (the Regiment needs 15% more soldiers to be complete) need many applicants (especially because of the international situation) and that these actions could be a mean of attracting people!!!
>>By Phil (Saturday, 5 Jul 2003 13:07)
Pacemaker, don’t take this wrong but I envy you. You’re a lucky man if you’ve had the support of someone like buddy, if she’s all she’s cracked up to be from her posts. AM wrote some interesting stuff about Kelly’s treatment. I would imagine that there is nothing worse than sitting in front of some shrink somewhere, telling the little you think you can to get help for someone, watching that look come into their eyes, and slowly realising, over the years, that the one person most in need of help can’t have it, but that’s OK, because they’ve done as they were told, dealt with it and moved on. A buddy would be someone to treasure.
>>By Mhorag (Saturday, 5 Jul 2003 13:50)
Mhorag, I guess you mean your ‘envy’ is about having a buddy like Buddy? (I do not envy him for being in the state of mind he needs Buddy for). Are you specially interested in the psychological part or because of what you read in AM’s book (like about Kelly)
Phil, I think the commotion is all about members who do reveal things they shouldn’t (that’s open for discussion too – what might not be revealed in the eyes of one man, someone else might not agree) and it doesn’t matter whether they are still in the army or not: because it’s said revelations are putting lives in danger (of SAS and ex-SAS members) and that’s the main argument. I also think what you said about the MoD proceeding – do you mean about the book Soldier 5? Because that’s not published yet and that’s what they are trying to prevent from happening.
>>By Lynn (Saturday, 5 Jul 2003 14:33)
Hello again, Pacemaker...
Reading your post about Buddy, I'd like to tell you that I think you've just paid her the very nicest of compliments. She must indeed be a dear friend as I clearly see you are to her.
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 5 Jul 2003 15:10)
Yes to buddy as someone who will listen, and yes, I am interested in the psychological aspects of AM’s writing, such as Kelly’s treatment. I am not good at writing about this sort of thing, which is why I mostly keep quiet. However - I have personally seen how the NHS handles the long-term treatment of the young with ptsd. It’s even worse when they are supposedly adults. I'm having trouble even typing this and it's not something I can handle talking about, even now.
>>By Mhorag (Saturday, 5 Jul 2003 15:23)
I mean that keeping secret a SAS member's ID is fully normal, I agree w/ that. The action intended by the MoD against former SAS members revealing facts is not normal according to me. As a former Military I know things that people don't and revealing'em would have no effect on people's lives, even if these facts are Classified. I am for the protection of members, but I don't understand the point of the MoD prohibiting Mc Nab , Ryan or others to reveal that their action in 1990-91 was to destroy Scuds or telling the way they were arrested and tortured. Same thing for Spence and his mission in Bosnia.
Lynn , I don't know the book "Soldier 5", what does it deal w/ exactely??
>>By Phil (Saturday, 5 Jul 2003 16:26)
Phil, this is a little part from an article (Daily Mail) in oct. 2000
"A former SAS commando is preparing to savage the reputation of a Gulf War comrade in a courtroom to give his story of the Gulf War's Bravo Two Zero operation.
Mike Coburn (Mark "Kiwi") is threatening to expose the version described by his senior officer Andy McNab in his bestseller as 'seriously distorted' and 'fictitious'. He is accusing McNab, who has earned millions from his book, of having a 'selective memory' of the fiasco in the desert in 1991.
Three of the eight-strong team dropped behind Iraqi lines were killed and four of the five survivors captured. He also claims that senior SAS officers ignored a Mayday message and abandoned them to die.
Coburn, a 38-year-old New Zealander went to the High Court in Auckland yesterday to launch the latest round in his three-year battle with the British Government to publish his book, Soldier 5. "
If you'd do a search on the net you can find several articles.
Mhorag, I didn't understand this sentence:
"I have personally seen how the NHS handles the long-term treatment of the young with ptsd"
What's NHS ?
take care,
>>By Lynn (Saturday, 5 Jul 2003 18:03)
National Health Service, part of the British welfare state. The staff are some of the best in the world, but the shortage of cash means that getting on the right list for help, at the right time, can be pretty tough. How people without family behind them manage, I can't imagine.
>>By Mhorag (Saturday, 5 Jul 2003 18:40)
Thank you very much Lynn, I'll try to get that book if I can as sso as it is released and will try to find out about that. thanx for the info.
I've ordered Asher's book today.
>>By Phil (Saturday, 5 Jul 2003 19:13)
Hi
Im on page 97 of BOF and so far so good!
>>By christina (Saturday, 5 Jul 2003 20:22)
To Mhorag,
How did you mean "if she’s all she’s cracked up to be from her posts" ?
>>By pacemaker (Sunday, 6 Jul 2003 00:30)
Very, very sound lady from how she posts (and from what you posted as well), good to have on side. Not many people like that around, unfortunately. As I said, someone to treasure, and worth a damn sight more than all the work-place 'counselling' on offer.
>>By Mhorag (Sunday, 6 Jul 2003 01:24)
You're all MAD!!
>>By joe bloggs (Sunday, 6 Jul 2003 02:29)
Thanx Joe
>>By Phil (Sunday, 6 Jul 2003 10:35)
Absolutely Joe !!!
>>By Lynn (Sunday, 6 Jul 2003 13:54)
Actually, Lynn, I think the exact quote is:
"Oh, absolutely!"
(and you have to get that inflection in the voice just right....) VBG! VBW!
>>By am-i-binned (Sunday, 6 Jul 2003 14:52)
Joe, afraid I'm gonna have to dispute that. A very nice man once told me that I was one of the sanest people he had ever met, (not met a lot, obviously). Now, completely nuts, maybe....
>>By Mhorag (Sunday, 6 Jul 2003 14:53)
<<<<<blushing from comps>>>>>
Off roof - twisted knee, other than that feeling extremely fit!!!
Did I hear: "Oh God spare us!!!
Sitting on roof tops has it's moments but does not compare to wearing fireman's boots, (four sizes too big) through jungle undergrowth, whilst trying to identify two slitthering young snakes debasking at lightning speed, meantime brain locked onto if they're the babies where are the adults?!!! OH S***T they could be behind me...
Sitting on roof top - moment of contemplation, all the bung holes around came to mind, ha ,ha, and I suddenly thought it's time AM was given a break from inquisitive boarders desperate to identify him, (what he looks like), because once you know (like a husband/wife) he'll become part of the furniture and you'll be looking elsewhere for that special smething in your lives...
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Dear Joe Bloggs,
I think this url is right up your street:
http://www.whostolethetarts.com/
>>By buddy (Sunday, 6 Jul 2003 16:29)
Oh, absolutely Am-I-Binned !!!! VBG !
I can hear him say it - all the time hahaha.
(and what a lovely voice it is.. - that's for our daily
girly stuff)
I'm very glad you beat the roof Buddy - but I had no
doubts you would.
take care,
>>By Lynn (Sunday, 6 Jul 2003 20:48)
Hello
ok whats all this 'oh absolutely' quote thing about and wheres it from am i missing the beat here or something!!????
>>By christina (Sunday, 6 Jul 2003 21:15)
yeah joe seriosusly crazy, psyhco, mad ect but im only speaking for myself here. hehehehehehe
>>By christina (Sunday, 6 Jul 2003 21:25)
Three guys, one Navy, one Army and one Royal Marine are taking the test to join the 'SAS'. They have passed all the mental and physical sections and are down to the final interview.
Guy from the navy walks in to be confronted by the 'SAS Head Shed' who gives him a gun and says, "There are 6 bullets in that, your wife is upstairs, go and kill her" .
The guy disappears but comes back 2 minutes later to say, "Sorry i really want to be in the SAS but she's my wife and i love her"
"Sorry" says the Head Shed, "But if you cant take orders, we dont want you"
Guy from the army walks in and the same thing happens, he cant do it and is told to fall out.
The Marine walks in and is given the gun. Off he goes and suddenly 6 shots ring out from upstairs, followed by an almighty commotion and 10 minutes later he walks back into the room drenched in sweat.
He looks at the Head Shed and chucks the gun at him saying, "You B*****d, they were blanks, i had to strangle the Bitch !!!"
>>By joe b (Sunday, 6 Jul 2003 22:52)
Re:Dark Winter
When Nick Stone is despatched To Malaysia by the CIA to assassinate a biochemist, he expects his mission to be a straightforward part of the fight against Osama Bin Laden. But soon Stone finds himself facing an unspeakable trade-off involving the life of someone he loves...
>>By Stirling (Monday, 7 Jul 2003 03:03)
Welcome, Stirling....
Thanks for posting the DW synopsis. May if I ask how you happened to find this messageboard? And this synopsis has started me wondering -- looks like George may still be using Nick, but is the "someone" going to be Kelly? Carrie? (or maybe Luz?) AM said the bio-threats are to London, Berlin and New York, but that's not where K or C and L are, so... hmmmm... velly interesting! Geez, I hate to rush my life away but I'm getting really impatient for 6 November! vbg! vbw! ;o)
Hi, Christina....
I was teasing Lynn because Andy frequently says, "Oh, absolutely..." or "Absolutely..." in response to interview questions. To listen to some instances, here are a few audio links:
www.relaxwithabook.com/interviews/Authorslist.cfm
-- Search on "McNab" (2 interviews: Firewall and Liberation Day)
http://wgnradio.com/shows/ex720/Audio/index.html
-- Scroll down to "Liberation Day" (about a third of the way down page)
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 7 Jul 2003 04:58)
AIB:
That's ok, no problem (about SS). I'll introduce my question in general so that perhaps the rest of the Posse will catch interest in other GW1 Regiment-events other than the famous story of Bravo Two Zero:
Both Sabre Squadron (by Cameron Spence) and Eye of the Storm (by Peter Ratcliffe) deal with Alpha One Zero's mission in Iraq '91. And - surprise, surprise - the two books portray different versions of events taking place (there's also a third book by the way - Victor Two by Peter "Yorky" Crossland - but I haven't read that one yet). As I've been partly (if not all together) responsible for recently bringing the attention to the discrepancies amongst various non-fictional SAS-books, I'll be the first to acknowledge that by now this phenomenon is unfortunately something to be expected.
My question though is as follows:
Spence and Ratcliffe use different names in identifying the same people. I have a theory of own in linking these tohether, but it would be nice if anyone's updated with the correct answer (or could provide URL's with relevant info). Can somebody help me out?
While we're on the subject, there's another thing about Spence:
As I've mentioned in previous postings, Ratcliffe aims to "set the record straight" in EOTS, thus providing the facts (from his stand-point) about the books by McNab, Ryan, Spence etc. etc.
Well, I've found proof that Spence is at least willing to "decorate" (in the name of artistic license) his stories in his second book All Necessary Measures.
Since Spence is one of my favourite non-fictional authors , it's more than likely that my disappointment won't be shared by you "McNabbers", but still..... it's a damn shame.
>>By ortlieb (Monday, 7 Jul 2003 08:21)
By the way, did you all know that McNab's real name is Steven?
Apparantly McNab revealed his first name to the cab-driver whose vehicle the patrol hi-jacked.
>>By ortlieb (Monday, 7 Jul 2003 08:34)
Stirling, hi...
DW plot sounds somewhat familiar!!! Yet another slant on Ossie!
I loved J (TC) H's book on Afghanistan hunt for Ossie - beautifully descriptive. You could feel the dust and grit in your mouth and eyes, smell the mountain air and see the treacherous terrrain...I do feel descriptive passages to be sorely lacking in AM works, though will say he does give a good sense of WoolMart and bung-hole in CF.
Ortlieb, haven't come across a Cameron Spence book, yet - as in, easy to pick up in passing. I have a huge affliction regarding Amazon.com - too little info on individual books (that goes for most super huge money-grabbing online bookstores)
Dearest Ortlieb, never believe anything an SAS guy tells you, least of all his name (at time of use). SAS men live fictional roles on ops: it's called working undercover (non identifiable in all situations) In fact, if one takes into account SAS humour (touch of cynical insanity) you can see why the books based on B20 have discrepancies: not merely differing memory flashbacks, ie differing time slots/figures...Though one must remember AM's deficiency with numbers...
>>By buddy (Monday, 7 Jul 2003 09:29)
Afraid general opinion on board (we've discussed it, it must be somewhere between page 1 and 52 - sorry I can't be more
exact) is that it's very unlikely that Andy would give an Iraqi
cabdriver his real name.
Buddy adds ' never to believe' , well she's a better judge on that part but on this particular occassion it must be true..
Beth, are you still running/hiding from the big head??
>>By Lynn (Monday, 7 Jul 2003 10:17)
Buddy:
My info-source on McNab's "real" first-name is M. Asher's The Real Bravo Two Zero. The one thing that gives this info any degree of creedence, isn't that the cab-driver interviewed by Asher accidentally remembers a name McNab threw at him back in January '91.
What seems odd, is that Asher (ex SAS, although he was a member of TA 23 SAS, not the "regular" 22 SAS) seems to react to that the cab-driver was able to identify the patrol-commander by his (supposedly) real name, Steven.
Assuming McNab's ex-wife (Frances Nicholson) didn't write under a pseudonym and kept her married name when writing her book Married to the SAS, then I suppose we'd discovered somewhat of a bomb as far as blowing McNab's covert cover (bollocks, compromised!).
Although I doubt it....
>>By ortlieb (Monday, 7 Jul 2003 10:21)
By the way guys: Is Remote Control McNab's first fictional book?
>>By ortlieb (Monday, 7 Jul 2003 10:28)
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