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I know, buddy, but I'm in my domain now. The last person I caught wanting to be 'anonymous' was identified on security video footage for the company concerned. In real life, people can be pretty naive about even the simplest facts.
Bowing out now, back to lurking.
>>By H (Tuesday, 24 Jun 2003 10:42)
Shame H. You sound like you could tell us stories... ;-)
Happy lurking though
You asked about Ryan's character Chrissy, Buddy mentioned
Slater as a character. He was in one book but he wrote several with a character named Geordie Sharp.
I agree Buddy, your little contest is great, I'm enjoying everyone's input.
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 24 Jun 2003 13:29)
Oh no, H! Why must you bow out again? We've been missing you... but then (if lurking) you know that already. If it's because of your "domain", isn't there a way you could just skate more lightly?
>>By am-i-binned (Tuesday, 24 Jun 2003 13:39)
Aw Yomper - and yet you still feel the need to come back each time and tell us - you are a closet AM fan - you found this forum somehow...! hahaha
Christina - Do I sound like I have an obsession? eek! Oh dear - cos that's what I thought about all you lot hahah - so we are all in the same boat. Nah, but I am not obsessed, but I am very interested and I like to know things - and I enjoy the books - it's like having that last chocolate bar even though you dont like it - but you have it because you want it and its there to be had.
so er.......um.....bite me! Giggle.
ten four you lot - Nick Stone drivvel coming up!...
>>By Caroline (Tuesday, 24 Jun 2003 14:28)
hello personally i think we are all obsessed with this site but it doesn't matter does it?
>>By christina (Tuesday, 24 Jun 2003 17:44)
I should have thought so - everyone is in the same boat so we can be obsessed together - and this forum is so hidden away that no one really needs to know. Hee.
ok- unfortunately you will have to wait for Nick Stone and me - aw but you shoulda been there. Back off up tot he land of Jocks and no computer! bah!
However, I will console mnyself knowing that I would have won hands down hahaha.
Later me Lovelies - will pop back sometimes.
*sniff* - come on now, dry your tears - it's a 'later' not goodbye.
oh, is that why you are crying? cos I'll be back?
>>By Caroline (Tuesday, 24 Jun 2003 18:24)
Caroline, when will it be "later"?
>>By am-i-binned (Tuesday, 24 Jun 2003 19:03)
Oh H! As the saying goes, it's not what you see it's what you don't see - jpgs!!
Weird Yahoo groups right now - moderators only rule with 1,000 + member moderators.
East - West tracks is heavy with camel trains...
Yomperrrrrrrrrr, where art thou?.....Guess he fell down a crevice!!
>>By buddy (Tuesday, 24 Jun 2003 21:50)
1 I didn't find this place I was directed to it by like minded people that have also been there done that and can wear the T-Shirt.
2 I suppose anyone could write a book if you make a few salient points and then hand it over to a ghost writer.
3 I don't intend to come back to this sight it makes my sides ache to much from the laughing.
4 For you info I am a retired career Soldier thats how i know there names and I wouldn't reveal them.
>>By Yomper (Tuesday, 24 Jun 2003 23:15)
Yomper, you don't convince me. Your english is s..t
>>By C (Tuesday, 24 Jun 2003 23:58)
Yomper
Thank you for your post. I don’t know if you will ever read this, but any career soldier deserves to be heard, no matter if I agree or not with what is being said.
AM and the others were allowed to publish by the command structure because it suited them, officers do it all the time, and they thought they could control it. They were wrong, and they now have a tiger by the tail, because the ordinary soldier is beginning to find a voice. For me, these authors stand for the haunted ones, whose dead eyes count the betrayals, the criminal convictions, the denial of their existence and their courage, and the sacrifices they made because they believed that what they had been asked to do was right, for their country. (It will be interesting to see what sort of decision is made about the man who sanctioned those actions, Kerr.) Stone epitomises people like that, the betrayed, the expendable, the ordinary soldier.
I wrote this Stone meeting for you (style courtesy of aib):
“So I’m sitting in this car, talking to my handler. There’s this guy with him and I don’t like him, don’t like his eyes and I don’t like what I recognise in him, because I’ve met men like him before: that undefined something that marks those who will hunt you down because its their job, no questions, no mercy. But its the watchfulness that worries me the most, a Brit soldier’s cold professionalism. I’m listening to the words wash over me but I’m having trouble concentrating, and when I get out and walk away, I feel the eyes tracking me, and I think maybe I’d better not fuck up again this time. I heard later this Nick is off somewhere, maybe working for the Yanks, and I’m glad, because I heard much more than I wanted to, the stuff that leaves the mouth dry and the sheets soaking when the nightmares come. Now, I watch, and wait. And I have a gut feeling that if I get thrown to the wolves with the others, in these politically correct times, on some street somewhere in some nameless town, those eyes might be the last thing I ever see.”
>>By Mhorag (Wednesday, 25 Jun 2003 11:42)
" The real Bravo Two Zero "
Just been reading through some of people comments about how if you watch/read the above it put's it al into perspective...... Well im never going to read/watch it on principle, typical English we have two real life hero's in AM and CR who everyone in the world whom knows the story and respect's both them and The SAS. and then some **** feels he has to knock them down by writing a story in which he trys to contracdict everything that has been said by the two lads. It makes my blood boil ,do you think they would ever try and rubbish there heros in America it just typical English to try and knock someone of there perk. I hope the book does not receive half the interest Mcnabs or Ryans books have .
>>By Feedthegoat77 (Wednesday, 25 Jun 2003 11:43)
Feedthe goat, which book/author are you referring to? Hope you're not talking about Coburn's book as banned by the MoD. After all, Coburn served alongside McNab & Ryan on the B20 mission...He has every right to speak out (in theory) if he feels the other two glorified some aspects of their heroism while at the same time glazing over crass mistakes made on the ground, aspects that couldn't be blamed on any one else...
Mistakes happen, being able to admit to them takes more guts than saying nothing, and to be fair to Ryan, he has publicly apologised for things said about a fellow trooper - on TV and in foreward in later republished editions of TOTGA.
Reportedly, McNab never said anything detrimental/derogatory about that same fellow trooper in public or B20, but the official report as handed in by any troop commander said an awful lot. He has similarly apologised, unfortunately less noticeably so during interviews...
Mhorag: not much to tell between the two of you! (AIB/M...Spot on though, with piece about thrown to the wolves! However, those who really stand "for the haunted ones" have yet to be heard, and unlikely to be heard other than by covert means (use of the Internet!!)
>>By buddy (Wednesday, 25 Jun 2003 12:11)
You never typed a truer word, buddy....
>>By Mhorag (Wednesday, 25 Jun 2003 13:22)
Mhorag...
Even if Yompers does not read your post, your eloquent response speaks for all of us I believe. Also, a most excellent "meeting"... please continue....
Feedthegoat77...
I'm presuming since you began your post with "The Real Bravo Two Zero" that you are referring to Asher's investigation into events which took place ten years before. I understand your prejudice against his book; it is one I basically share (going back even to the first page here). I do not, however, think this type of malignment is more unique to the Brits. I'm afraid Americans too have the same perversion with our heroes, be they military, business moguls, celebrities, etc. The higher the profile, the better the target, the greater the bloodlust....
Buddy...
I, too, wish Mike Coburn's book could be published, because unlike Asher's, Mike's is his personal perspective of the events. AM and CR do not paint the exact same picture. It is to be expected that Mike will paint a third. Were Dinger and Mal able to speak (write), I'm sure we'd have a fourth and fifth. The point is, however, they were the patrol, they were there, no one else was.
As to it being a damaging official report, I do not agree with intimations that AM would have done so. Such a report would not serve anyone well, particularly the patrol leader. Overt criticism of one of his men would also reflect badly on him, on his ability to lead, on all his command decisions, beginning from the moment he was selected to replace Bob Shepherd. We also know now from both Mike and Mal that upon their return, there was talk of court martials. Who would bring court martialling charges against these men? Not AM. And for what? My belief: For being compromised, for being liabilities, for costing de la Billiere face to the US. For surviving. I agree there may be a damaging official report, but it is one that comes from a higher source, more likely a certain RSM Ratcliffe (Eye of the Storm), especially considering that his version of events have now been proven untrue (e.g., no radio contact whatsoever from B20).
>>By am-i-binned (Wednesday, 25 Jun 2003 14:32)
Asher has jumped on the band wagon in an attempt to cut a piece of the financial pie. If his work was good enough to stand on its own merit, why did he have to use the words B20 in the title, and worse still, the letter type and book jacket were very very similar to AM's original. After slagging AM and CR for hiding behind psydenums (typo), perhaps he himself is now a sad lonely figure surfing the net under the name.....YOMPER?
>>By Fed-Up (Wednesday, 25 Jun 2003 15:09)
Leeway, Am-I-Binned, leeway: SAS men are trained to lie through their glistening teeth accompanied with grins, winks, and charming guile. They are skilled in evading questions, skilled at acquiring information, and no matter what they might have to do to get it (indulge in brutality/sexual favours) they'll do it. One or two are known to have worked on behalf of tabloid newspapers on undercover journalist scoops....
Unless you have absolute evidence of either one of the above' innocence on the issue of official report, accept they are all lying to cover individual ass'
I love AM's writing, I like him as a person, but I'm not blind to reality, and although I'll defend his right to secrecy on many things, you're stance defies belief of mere innocent bystander...Shit happens, and like I said before, "rational thought" at the time of B20's return to H would have been almost impossible - betrayal was rattling around in their heads, they were not exactly "at one" on what happened, and shit had to fly in the face of laughed off court martial.....
No matter how much AM denies B20 was ever about personal revenge, it reads as revenge book....
>>By buddy (Wednesday, 25 Jun 2003 15:10)
Buddy...
I do understand what you are saying; I think it is another aspect of what I am saying: "Truth" will always be subject to the intent of the teller. But a measuring tool might be to ask: What is to be gained if a truth is manipulated and results in the shit coming back and splattering the teller? Faulting the men directly under his command on that mission would have splattered the patrol commander, AM himself. Why do that? He was in the same position as the other surviving members of his patrol. They were abandoned, betrayed, expendable, and, not only that, they were told so! Criticizing his patrol would not have gained AM anything at that point. But, given the reality they faced, that everything they'd believed in meant nothing when push came to shove, that saving face was more important than saving lives, who rationally would not seek at least some form of justice, of revenge? So I agree with you about the underlying intent of B20, of all his books for that matter, because by subtly revealing truths into his books, AM not only avenges himself and the patrol, but also quite definitely, effectively, and justifiably splatters his targets.
Welcome, Fed-Up...
Oooh, very nice deduction, Sherlock! Got me grinning for sure! Have you been lurking long or are you newly arrived? Either way, would you please tell how you found us?
>>By am-i-binned (Wednesday, 25 Jun 2003 16:33)
Yomper,
Normally I don't bite baits like your comments but mate......come back when your balls reach your jocks, or you have something valid to say.
"If you don't watch it I might reveal their real names"....my, my what a threat. You must have thought long and hard about that one. You want to talk about AM being a disgrace to the regiment? Someone who comes on to an AM fan site only to slag him off and make nugget threats like yours, you're a disgrace to any career soldier.
Mate, do us all a favour and don't breed. And keep your mouth shut until you've thought of something worth saying.
Everyone else, take care, speak soon
>>By Paul R (Wednesday, 25 Jun 2003 17:01)
You have such a way with words, PR! BenGay big time!!! ;oD
>>By am-i-binned (Wednesday, 25 Jun 2003 17:19)
wow Paul R that was really nice and kind words lol but they also needed to be said.
>>By christina (Wednesday, 25 Jun 2003 17:38)
hello everyone.
i was doing a search on am and came across this site. i have been back to it a few times and you all seemd so nice/funny i thought, what the hell - i'll say hi!
i have read all am's books, am eagerly awaiting dark winter and am deeply in love with am/ns. (sad but true!!)
>>By hazel (Wednesday, 25 Jun 2003 19:35)
Welcome, Hazel...
So, thinking about signing up with F Troop, eh? Hmmm, upon carefully reviewing your resume/CV, it certainly seems like you have all the necessary prerequisites! vbg! vbw! ;o)
>>By am-i-binned (Wednesday, 25 Jun 2003 20:14)
hi welcome hazel yep we are all nice well maybe except from AIB no only joking couldn't help myself.
yeah ultimate force is on tonight!
>>By christina (Wednesday, 25 Jun 2003 20:43)
Interview with Nick Stone:
I took a long, deep breath and relaxed my fists. I had been waiting to meet this man for a long, long time now. In a few seconds I was either going to shake his hand, or put a round through his skull. I opened the door and stepped inside.
He was sitting on a metal chair in the centre of the room, handcuffed. His eyes scanned me over and I could almost hear the cogs ticking over as he tried to work me out. Was I friend or foe? He'd find that out soon enough.
As I got closer I noticed his face had been worked over, probably during his capture. The French don't like foreign agents working secretly on their own turf and they had obviously let him know about it when they picked him up. Apart from the fresh battle scars he looked pretty normal to me. The perfect guy for "special" jobs. The "grey man" the Brits call it.
"Nick Stone?" I asked.
He paused for a slight second, shocked by my lack of French accent and the fact that I knew his name.
"No, it's Nick Solomon. Umm, I don't know why I am here, I was.."
"Nick Stone?" I asked again.
"No, it's Ni.."
"Mr Stone, you have something I am very interested in. Don't waste my or your time here. If you have the information I require I have the power to have you released. If not, the firm and the French will be the least of your problems."
His eyes were wide open now, bright, blue, stunned. He watched me step closer pull up a chair and sit directly in front of him. He was nervous, but in a trained sort of way. Any other person would have crumbled by now. He was flapping, but only on the inside.
Pictures of my sister flashed through my mind and I felt the adrenalin pump again and my face felt hot and red. I slowed my breathing down and stared into his eyes, watching for any slight reaction.
"Mr Stone, where is my neice?"
He sat back in his chair, obviously confused. Suddenly the reality hit home and he appeared to have had the wind knocked out of him.
"Mr Stone, where is Kelly?"
to be continued....
>>By Paul R (Wednesday, 25 Jun 2003 21:06)
omg paul r you cant just stop there carry on...
>>By christina (Wednesday, 25 Jun 2003 21:20)
Been sitting in the hot sun, drinking beer, chilling out and listening to tracks from the man with the movie camera, and what do I find? A tale. Made a good day better. More please, and soon.
>>By Mhorag (Wednesday, 25 Jun 2003 21:34)
Aaah, Paul! What more can I say? I already told you you have a way with words! Absolutely excellent, as always!
And, as of now, you officially have three requests for more....
>>By am-i-binned (Wednesday, 25 Jun 2003 21:43)
Here it goes :
The bureau told me I was to get intercepted by a guy named Nick Stone. They warned me to be carefull to watch out that he had a bad reputation with women. So I thought : ooh well this guy can't be all that tough as they say, I can handle every man, that's what I'm trained for anyway.
I was walking near the park, when I felt I was being tailed, I couldn't turn around to see who it was so I stopped at a shop looking into the
shopwindow whenI saw this tall guy passing me. I followed along behind him. Suddenly he disappeared. I didn't understand where he had gone, then at that moment I got grabbed by the arm and thrown into a van. What the hell was going on, I thought. My heart ran wild. There was the most saddest eyes starring into mine. "You're walking into something I can't even tell you about" he said quietly. "Excuse me" I said "but who the hell are you?" His eyes were stormy, intimidating full of secrets. His jaw tautened as he stared at me, his thick eyebrows drawn together at the bridge of his nose. "You know damn well who I am" My hand was reaching for the door handle, I was halfway out when he pulled me gently back inside and closed the cardoor again. The position he was in,his body close to mine his chest at an angle above mine, made me tremble. I could smell the coffee on his breath and the clean scent of his body and clothes. My hand was pushing against his chest but he ignored it. He felt the quick rush of my breath at his mouth, he could see the hammer of my pulse at the collar of my shirt. I wanted this guy. His fingers went to my chin and traced the skin next to my lips. "So here we are" he whispered . I was freezing, this had never happened to me before, what was I doing? Why didn't I react. He bent, his mouth poised above my parted lips, he hung there his fingers maddening on the corner of my mouth, on my lower lip. All I could do was moan helplessly, I bit the sound off almost as it exited my throat, but I knew he heard it.....
you guys want me to continue????
>>By dreamgirl (Thursday, 26 Jun 2003 00:33)
There are two people here who know exactly what happened on the B20 mission, one quite vocal the other lurking. Meantime, the majority of the remaining visitors/regulars on the message board are influenced by much of what is said here...
Now, there's a little puzzle to keep a few brains working flat out!!! And, latteral thinking is required...The obvious being the red herrings...
Am-I-Binned, of all people, you know from your vast knowledge of all things SAS that when shit has flown in the past the SAS has always thrown nappies in all directions so no one knew who'd pooped when and where, until recently when a poop sniffer set about tracking down all the wiped clean bums swaggering around...
It's getting real hot out there, men sweating, some panic stricken, and others, well, definitely looking at time in the slammer...Pray God you know what you're doing here...
>>By buddy (Thursday, 26 Jun 2003 00:59)
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