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Hi.

Here's one for you ladies; 'She Who Dared', by Jackie George and Susan Ottaway. http://military.seekbooks.co.uk

>>By Chris (Tuesday, 15 Jul 2003 01:25)

On an amusing note, there's an SAS book out there that parodies all of the before-mentioned ex Reg authors, called
'The SAS: Who Cares Who Wins - The Final Cash-in' written by 'Andy McGrabb' and 'Sir Peter de la Billionare'.
Customer review cut from www.amazon.co.uk:

"A funny antidote to all those posturing books by ex-military types going on about their missions and the seriousness of it all. This humourous book parodies what happens when you are over-trained and too fixated on the military and then plonked on civvie street (a problem many real military types have).

It provides a laugh for all the peaceniks out there, showing that the military are just as capable of silliness, and at the end of the day, who cares who wins?"

Hmm... has anyone read this one?

>>By ortlieb (Tuesday, 15 Jul 2003 11:19)

Hi all,
nog geen vakantie voor mij Lethe, no holiday for me just yet.
In fact I'm working very hard at the moment as you can see :-)
I do understand you reading in English but especially with B20 and IM, when it gets all technical I don't understand it all and I hate reading with a dictionary in the other hand and I don't want to miss anything either.

This book Who cares who wins sounds very funny. I like it when you enlarge cover photo, great weapon this time of year when it's really hot over here....

Finished Frank Collins - oh I really feel sad... he seemed so much in place finally. What on earth must have happened when the book was finished.. I think I've read somewhere that he had to leave his work as army chaplain after he wrote the book and that he couldn't cope with that? Anyone know if that's true?

Dark Winter and Greed in one package... Maybe it's a symbol for a recovered relationship..... Maybe this whole situation was set up andyway to promote booksales.. See them lying in the desert. Hey Chris, when this shit's finally behind us we're gonna write a book about it. Oh, great idea. But wouldn't it be very boring - I mean it's just one of those spec ops.. Ah, I see. Well, it would be a good idea if one of us would be captured.... that would make some story... Ok, but then there has to be someone who escapes.. So who's it gonna be, heads or tails…
If we do a little compatitive fighting when we get home we get a lot of promotion and in the end we split profits…. Hey, we could even sell our books in those ‘two-in-one’ promo actions.. Well, not really funny since they lost good men, but this competition between them might be kept alive by the media and they could have a pint over it.

Borisette... such a lovely name.... ;-) Welcome back.
And I miss Beth and Mhorag and yes Paul R... is there gonna be
a part 3 ??!!

till soon all,

>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 15 Jul 2003 13:13)

I'm still here!!! Absolutely baking because the mean boss won't turn on the air conditioning so I'm repaying him by not working and sitting on the internet.

Re Borisette's question, I think it's Mal that owns his own security company somewhere in the UK, hostage environment training or something like that.

Roll on the end of the day All Necessary Measures awaits with a cold G&T.

>>By Beth (Tuesday, 15 Jul 2003 15:21)

Damn heat I meant hostile environment training.

>>By Beth (Tuesday, 15 Jul 2003 15:38)

Hi

i nearly bought that book 'who cares who wins' because it was only a pound in this bookshop i went to but didn't and now i regret it because it looked good lol!

>>By christina (Tuesday, 15 Jul 2003 17:44)

Thanks, Chris...
There's another one I heard about, too, One Up: A Woman in Action with the SAS, by Sarah Ford, telling about her work with the Det. Here's an interesting related article:
www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Set/7198/A.blond

Grins, Ortlieb...
The synopsis on Amazon also brings chuckles. And Lynn's right, double-clicking to enlarge the cover uncovers super secret SAS "super soaker" weaponry! LOL!

Oh man, Christina...
If only you had! (cuz then I could have borrowed your copy off your nightstand...) vbw!

Hi again, Beth...
Didn't know that about Mal... thanks! Considering the heat, I think your boss has you enrolled in hostile environment training... vbg! vbw!

Ooooh, Lynn...
I think you just may have cracked it! Ah, the wisdom of age.... :o)

Partial Roll Call (some recent, some longer term MIA's) -- partial cuz I'm sure to mess up/miss folks -- sia! (sorry in advance) -- Alice, Swedish Reader, Scouse, Paul R, H, (?)Here, Stirling, Phil, Hazel, Sheba, Mhorag, Pe Gasus, Caroline, Just Plain Paddy, Pacemaker, Jaffagib5rgj, CPM, Ste, Me, AM, Sasman....

>>By am-i-binned (Tuesday, 15 Jul 2003 17:59)

yep there'll be a Part 3. just got to find some spare time to write it.

take care, speak soon

>>By Paul R (Tuesday, 15 Jul 2003 18:14)

ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I have been Florked!

>>By Paul R (Tuesday, 15 Jul 2003 18:51)

so a babysitter eh! and your 102 do you not scare the kids a bit with your age? lol

>>By christina (Tuesday, 15 Jul 2003 19:18)

a babysitter is a good description for my job. I try to avoid the kids in case they think I'm Yoda and ask for my autograph.

Hey I know this has been mentioned loads of times before but I couldn't be arsed going through all the past pages -When is Dark Winter due to be released?

take care, speak soon

>>By Paul R (Tuesday, 15 Jul 2003 19:24)

6 Nov 2003...

>>By am-i-binned (Tuesday, 15 Jul 2003 19:53)

yey i have already pre-ordered it

>>By christina (Tuesday, 15 Jul 2003 21:14)

Hey Paul R, buddy-boy, you an' I joined the 100 club I see, along with another, possibly two, or more...

Ah, the Sarah Ford book, the one which caused a storm in Hereford (if I remeber right - men with steam coming out of their ears) = "...there are no women in the SAS..." etc.

Maybe not, but women working undercover can often go places men can't, and I remember one Lt Colonel who said: "If they're too ugly they attract the wrong attention (noticeable), if they're average looking they'll get through without a second glance (hopefully), if they're stunners they're the ones we use for distraction purposes!!

I did a trip with him, 'cos older men can get through where younger ones would be suspect...Again, psychology has its role in covert ops...

>>By buddy (Tuesday, 15 Jul 2003 21:34)

It doesn't matter if it's a female finger or a male finger that pulls the trigger, you're just as dead. And yes women can get inside intel a lot easier than us guys can.

The japanese used to use Kunochi (I think that's how you spell it), women who would spend months posing as a servant to the targeted warlords, and then in the throes of passion they would slit his throat. It takes a will & mind of steel to perform a job like that one, especially considering back in those times they weren't too friendly with enemy assassins.

Women are also great at intel work. It's a well known fact that women can do 50 things at once where us guys focus on the one thing at hand. Women can pretend to be reading the label on a food package while studying a target, while talking on the phone etc and it all looks natural. We try to do more than one thing at once (look casual and take mental notes) and without plenty of practice we stand out like dogs balls.

My point? Women do have a place in covert warfare. I just hope my wife doesn't read this and get any ideas...

take care, speak soon

>>By Paul R (Tuesday, 15 Jul 2003 22:05)

Perhaps this explains why granny was always on "vacation" in France during WW 2:

'The Women Who Lived for Danger: The Women Agents of SOE in the Second World War' by Marcus Binney.

Synopsis
In World War II, 37 women were dropped in occupied France to work as Special Operations Executive agents and "set Europe ablaze". 13 never returned. They were executed in Hitler's concentration camps. This is the story of eight of these female agents, all from civilian life, who were warned of the likelihood of arrest, torture and a brutal death before they volunteered. None demurred. The women were given months of arduous fitness, gun, explosives, endurance and code training before parachuting into occupied territory. But this story also contains eight very personal tales. Why did these women volunteer? Where did they come from? Marcus Binney tells of a life of resistance work and undercover operations, clandestine activities and even armed combat, and a constant fear of discovery. But above all this book tells of extreme bravery and devotion to duty.

>>By ortlieb (Wednesday, 16 Jul 2003 08:16)

Hey All,
Andy McNab's real first name is Steven. I have no clue as to his last.
It was revealed in 'The Real Bravo Two Zero'.

>>By Steven (Wednesday, 16 Jul 2003 08:27)

I just wanted to see if my name came up in orange, this is Beth by the way wouldn't let me use that!

>>By Bethan (Wednesday, 16 Jul 2003 09:13)

Finally brain in gear, please let this be orange!!

>>By Bethan (Wednesday, 16 Jul 2003 09:29)

Bethan, is your orange head-piece designer label?

Ortlieb, your first name wouldn't be Lois would it?

Hello Steven, suggest you take all names (except dead SAS personnel) as spoofs. Anyone exposing the real identities of SAS/14 Int men w/could be subject to prosecution (MoD) persecution by unknowns = possibly found dead in a back alley in mysterious circumstances, another statistic on missing person list, etc., = ex SAS men are not the kind of people to expose!!!!

Paul R - trumpet away...

>>By buddy (Wednesday, 16 Jul 2003 10:02)

Hia

In case any of you are interested / nosey enough you can get at Mal's company from

www.darteurope.org/resources/useful_links/
hostile.htm

There's a few companies on there, in case anyone needs a little protection. I only know because at one point we nearly did the course for work (well that would have been a claim to fame ha ha).

>>By Bethan (Wednesday, 16 Jul 2003 12:09)

buddy:
Then by my own rationale, Peter Ratcliffe is truly a w***er!

AIB:
Lois? Err.. I don't get it.

>>By ortlieb (Wednesday, 16 Jul 2003 14:49)

Sorry, Ortlieb...
Afraid I can't help but not really sure why you're asking me andyway. Besides, isn't your voice a little lower -- more like a Louis? vbg! vbw!

PS: A very Philadelphia thing -- Ortlieb's Beer used to be produced here, and I went to school with some of the Ortlieb kids (no Lois, no Louis, but there was a Linda...) :o)

>>By am-i-binned (Wednesday, 16 Jul 2003 15:12)

I know this is AM site but I've just finished zero option that CR book and has anyone noticed how it could be TOTGA with the IRA? So many parts of it could be his real life for example the Botswana story, the killing house demonstration only changing the name of the PM. Now it's probably true that AM uses all his experiences as the storylines but not so obviously. At least NS never went to Iraq with two colleagues who funnily enough also died of exposure. And the mentioning of an IRA sniper the SAS tried to catch wasn't that in IA? Haven't got a copy here to check, maybe it's just me being far too mean. There we are CR will still hate me, oh well. Hopefully divine inspiration will hit him soon, but then they can both be guilty of repeating themselves a little too often.

>>By Bethan (Wednesday, 16 Jul 2003 16:00)

hi

AIB i finally have time to answer you now yeah the book is good im really enjoying it im on page 447 and im finding corey really funny but also like kate aswell

>>By christina (Wednesday, 16 Jul 2003 20:04)

Bethan:
It's also a little odd that Geordie Sharpe, CR's main character through his first 4 books, is being introduced to the reader as an SAS-man that is haunted by nightmares about his capture and interrogation by the Iraqis in the Gulf...
Divine inspiration you say? I think you could be on to something there....

AIB:
I'm afraid that my nickname isn't that imaginative. Ortlieb is a German manufacturer of water-proof equipement, such as bags, mapcases etc. I vaguely seem to remember that this is not allowed in the msg-board guidelines, but I hope MG will look the other way on this one....

>>By ortlieb (Wednesday, 16 Jul 2003 20:05)

Now Bethan how did you get your name into orange. Explain please.

Just saw the news, that story about that 12 year old Shevaun who went of with the 31 year old ex-Marine, well that just shows you how dangerous internet can be. Especially for kids. There really should be some rules or regulations. Now she was lucky. Some time ago a girl here in Italy got murdered, she had an appointment with a guy she met on the net, he badly raped her and killed her. Luckily the police caught him.

I'm up to page 50 now of my SF book by Clancy, it's verrrrrrrrrrrry technological. I think at the end of this book, I could even pass an exam and tell you everything (that is if I still remember anything, CP,CBT,FID,,SR,DA,PSYOP,CA etc...)
No AM humour here!

I personally think it's ok for women to do the intel or medic stuff, but going out to fight I don't know, running around with mitra explosives, I'd prefer more the spying games, the Mata Hari, sneeking in and getting info. Well allright you have to be trained for that. Anyone from the board did some spying. And I don't mean copying homework or schoolexams.

>>By borisette (Wednesday, 16 Jul 2003 20:16)

Great to find this discussion site. I just finished reading B2O, and was thoroughly impressed.

Question to you all: I was contemplating setting up a simple Andy McNab 'on the web' site, which would have archives of interviews, info, and links about McNab.

What do you all think, is there anything out there right now like this already in existance? Would be in appreciation for any feedback.

>>By Anthony (Wednesday, 16 Jul 2003 21:47)

i think that would be a great idea and i dont think they are many websites like that but im not sure. i would definatly visit if decide tyo go ahead post the address for me. im not sure about anyone esle though its just my opinoin

>>By christina (Wednesday, 16 Jul 2003 21:56)

Hmmm yes, absolutely! Why not Anthony, I agree with Christina.
Maybe Aib and Buddy can give the most info.

>>By borisette (Wednesday, 16 Jul 2003 22:31)

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