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Haha. Well, if you take any offence in me calling you a shrew, remember... it takes one to know one.. ;-)
Hey Chrissy. Glad you're back. So much arrangements, so litte time. Me, will you please finally set that date so we know how little time???!!!
Paul R. how about your serial story ? Eagerly expected.. :-)
Am-I-Binned are you chewing on something?
Andy McNab (since I'm calling out, might as well include him) how about it mate..?? If there's no news, make something up, whatever....
>>By Lynn (Saturday, 26 Jul 2003 17:07)
ooops forgot to say yeah lynn and boriette i will join you gotta get fit!
>>By christina (Saturday, 26 Jul 2003 17:42)
ok im really bored so im just going to go on about nothing here and hope that somebody answers but im not bothered if nobody does why has this series of ultimate force been so short it was about 4 or 5 episodes how long was the other series was that the smame lenght and i've always wanted to whatch spooks is it good and can i just start watching it half way through a sereis or has the seires finished like ultimate force.
me, you there? you should go to www.flork.com and get an orange hat.
what does my orange hat look like its stuck on my head and i cant see it but it does tlk to me does that mean its a chatterbox hat like me??? does it look like a chatterbox can you ask it what its called it wont talk to me.
i think im too tired because i probly sound like i have lost the plot.
paul r continue your story go on you know you want to please. AIB im sure you can do more and you too lynn.
>>By christina (Saturday, 26 Jul 2003 19:27)
ok Chris.. I guess we all have a bit of holiday fever (sleeping in and feel lazy and dim for the rest of the day)
Did you do some reading on your vacation?
>>By Lynn (Saturday, 26 Jul 2003 20:04)
Well, here's a question then.... Mind you, I've read Immediate Action some years ago, so if the answers are in there I forgot.. help me remember.
Andy dedicates his book (IA) to Nick, Al, Andy, Joe and Paul.
Nick = Nicky Smith ??
Al = Al Slater ??
Who are Andy, Joe and Paul ??
>>By Lynn (Saturday, 26 Jul 2003 20:09)
Good question, Lynn. I'm only sure of one...
Joe was Joe Ferragher, the Troop Senior who was killed in the Tsodilo Hills when the mountain climbing device attached to the rocks gave way and he died in the fall.
For love or money, though, I can't remember a Paul or Andy. Could Colonel Corden-Lloyd have been one of them? He died when the Gazell helicopter went down, either due to PIRA's claims to have shot it down or mechanical problems according to the MoD. AM refers to him as "the best officer I'd ever met." It's odd, though, unless AM has spelled the name wrong, there isn't a Corden-Lloyd listed on the Cain site. (http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/alpha/index.html)
Homework time or does anyone else already have the answer? Pe Gasus?
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 26 Jul 2003 20:58)
And now that you've reminded me of dedications, Crisis Four and Liberation Day are the only fictions AM has dedicated.
Liberation Day's is quite obvious, particularly being post 9/11:
Dedicated to all victims of terrorism
But does anyone know anything about the Crisis Four dedication?
In memory of Edward C.S. Hooper
30 October 1979 -- 15 April 1999
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 26 Jul 2003 21:11)
Hey did I see that right?
Are you going to give a party with Andy?
Am I invited?
I just bought a new blouse and I wanna party too :)
>>By Lethe (Saturday, 26 Jul 2003 23:42)
Oh, it's a wedding actually Lethe: Christina is gonna marry Me. Not me, Me..
And we're also planning a trip to the Brecon beacons and we need a guide/Andy but Borisette thinks he might talk to much.
(you know...talk the hind legs of a donkey... and us donkeys need those legs to walk...)
>>By Lynn (Saturday, 26 Jul 2003 23:55)
hey it sounds like you guys know more than me!
>>By christina (Sunday, 27 Jul 2003 11:10)
I just found out there's a site www.andy-mcnab.com
Guess where you end up.... the "Traser" site.
They have info on McNab, nothing new (for me) but you could take a look. What I did think is funny.. they have a brilliant slogan.. we've discussed Andy being not very steadfast when it comes to his personal life (read: relationships) but they
advertise with "ONE THING REMAINS CONSTANT IN HIS LIFE - HE STILL WEARS A TRASER WATCH"
(Now I'm placing it in a different context of course)
Have to say, on bottom of the page there’s a link ‘andy mcnab’ but it didn’t work (for me) so I pressed ENTER on the large Traser Watches advert, it’ll take you to a page where you’ll find ‘andy mcnab’ on the left column, that one did work.
>>By Lynn (Sunday, 27 Jul 2003 21:03)
\\ whisper \\
PS I'm not gonna tell you what they paid me to post this.. ;-)
>>By Lynn (Sunday, 27 Jul 2003 21:05)
Oh, he sold them all his possible names I think,
www.andymcnab.co.uk takes you there too.
>>By Lynn (Sunday, 27 Jul 2003 21:08)
Hi all,
I finished Immediate Action.
Very interesting, though I wouldn't have read
a book like that if it hadn't been written by AM.
He makes it very readable though, with his usual humor and his passion for his job.
I was a bit dissapointed that there weren't more details of his childhood and the rest of his private life.
I'd like to know more.
Am frustrated that I couldn't get Crisis Four.
So frustrated that I bought "Jarheads" from Anthony Swoford(American Marine, was also in the 90's Gulf War).
The first few pages looked good.
Anyone know the book?
Am on page 101 from TOTGA, the part where they get separated.
Was enthousiastic in the beginning.
It looked good, and I was very excited to hear someone else's version of the story.
But as I get on I find it quite boring.
Is it me or is this guy complaining all the time?
Not that he hasn't got reasons to complain.
It's just not a good read.
It's as though he accidentally joined the army, and didn't know it was going to be dangerous.
Also, he gives the impression he's in charge of the patrol.
Wasn't AM in charge?
So, what are your opinions on this?
Lynn,
I tried the link you put on page 60, the one with the Traser ad.
The link works, but when you try to see the Gulf War pictures, it doens't work.
Have you seen those pictures?
Can you tell me what they were?
AIB,
I'll try to remember what I thought about B20.
Not that I don't know, but sometimes it's so hard to put in English, or even in words.
Nice readings everyone.
>>By Lethe (Monday, 28 Jul 2003 00:10)
You mean the sasrogues site Lethe? (traser site is something other) I don't know, I get a lot of pictures but indeed not those of the first Gulf War.
>>By Lynn (Monday, 28 Jul 2003 11:16)
Started on B20 again.
I'm amazed at the honesty with which he tells his story.
I think that indeed most people would leave out large parts of the things he shares with us,
because it would mean admitting to weakness, vulnerabilty.
These things are not generally regarded as heroic.
I myself think the opposite is true.
How courageous it is to be able to look into yourself , and not deny feelings that are regarded as weak, like fear, need and guilt, and even admit them to others.
I have never read anything like that.
Not in this context.
Not for real. I think.
I think Andy McNab is the supreme survivor.
He grabbed at every straw to survive, and if there wasn't a straw he made it up.
He saw the advantage of every situation, and was grateful for the smallest of things, the warmth of a room, a bit of food or water.
He tried to keep control or a semblance of control, and that gave him hope.
He took heart in the fact that he still had his map and compass, just because he knew something they didn't. That's a kind of control.
He was comforted by just the sight or voice of his fellow captive.
He refused to be a bag of shit and remained a human being.
That's a hero.
>>By Lethe (Monday, 28 Jul 2003 13:01)
i totally agree with all that
>>By christina (Monday, 28 Jul 2003 13:05)
Exactly, Lethe!
When I read B20 for the first time, I was totally rocked! How could anyone possibly have the strength of heart to find anything positive in the face of such horrific adversity, yet here was a man who shamed me with his ability to find microscopic advantages in everything. And I would not have the courage to openly share my true fears and weaknesses, yet here was a man, in a man's world no less, openly doing so.
Heroes are people you choose because you admire them and wish to be like them. After reading B20, AM became a hero for me. Ironically, it is in identifying with his non-heroic weaknesses that I am encouraged to believe that I can learn to have his courage and strength of heart, finding positives in the everyday challenges of my own life.
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 28 Jul 2003 14:44)
hey lynn forgot your lost question up there yeah i did some reading on my holiday i finished up country and th lions game and started reading CQB which is really good, sorry for saying this but i think CQB is the best non-fiction i have read so far.
>>By christina (Monday, 28 Jul 2003 20:27)
Sheesh! Feels like I’m just sort of drifting around right now, stranded in the summer doldrums, with nothing really interesting to bring to the board. Ooooh, so impatient now! Can't wait for the rejuvenating winds of autumn, hopefully bringing promotional news in advance of November and the release of Dark Winter.... :o)
In this lull, since there seems to be no new AM news anywhere, I've been trawling around and found a strange little comment referencing AM -- in a railway newsgroup, of all places! The comment reminded me of a question raised back on pg 57 by David: "...why do you think in IA, he only wrote about his experiences up untill the Gulf War?. He served another two years after that, untill 1993, but chose to leave out that chapter in his life. ..."
Not sure if the newsgroup comment answers David's question, but it seems possible: "... Andy McNab (if you believe his books) claimed to be a trainspotter in Northern Poland and East Germany during the Cold War when the SAS would secretly watch trainloads of military equipment being moved around to gain information on what Warsaw Pact regiments were positioned where. ..."
Considering the general setting for Firewall, maybe AM drew on his own experiences if he had been involved in this type of SAS monitoring of military equipment transport. I'm very curious, however, where the newsgroup poster actually got this information. He says "if you believe his books," but have I forgotten something from Firewall maybe? Does Nick mention anything about the SAS "trainspotting"?
>>By am-i-binned (Thursday, 31 Jul 2003 14:28)
Hope so can't wait until dark winter comes out but i have enough to read until november! has anyone read Tom Clancy's without remorse? i'm thinking of buying it it looks good.
>>By christina (Thursday, 31 Jul 2003 16:16)
Hi, Christina...
WR is an excellent Clancy book. Among those posting in Clancy's newsgroup, it seems to be a favourite among those who like "Ryanverse" (the Jack Ryan series), even though the main character is not Ryan at all, but rather John Clark. Yes, I would recommend it.
Have you finished CQB? Let me know, too, when you start Tornado Down, okay?
>>By am-i-binned (Thursday, 31 Jul 2003 16:53)
Nearly finished CQB should be finished i a couple of days. Well i sold tornado down to my friend so i will have to get that from the libray. who is that by again i will order it?
>>By christina (Thursday, 31 Jul 2003 19:29)
Christina, can't you just borrow it back from your friend? Tornado Down is by John Nichol and John Peters.
One thing about their book is their descriptions of the physical punishment they endured -- it was very much the same as what AM described, only they are even more graphically specific in some of their details. I'm still waiting for my copy of TRB20, so I can't really speak yet from personally reading Michael Asher's account of the Iraqi's treatment of AM, Dinger, Mal and Mike. I wonder, though, if Asher ever considered questioning Nichol and Peters about the brutality they suffered or if he asked any Iraqis just how humanely they treated these two courageous pilots! Hmmm.... Probably not. To do so would have corroborated AM's version....
>>By am-i-binned (Thursday, 31 Jul 2003 20:34)
no she has just started reading it and it takes her about a year to read books, quicker with the libray.
>>By christina (Thursday, 31 Jul 2003 21:21)
Hi All,
Was looking at Amazon.uk, at cover art for Dark Winter -- curious about the city skyline. According to AM, DW involves London, New York and Berlin. Considering this is the UK cover, and the cover art is different country to country, I would have expected the UK version to use London, but from the headlights and bridge arches it seems to be NYC's Brooklyn Bridge...
(remove hard return where hyperlink wraps)
http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/
P/0593050258.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
http://www.puzzlehouse.com/nycborrklynbridge.htm
>>By am-i-binned (Friday, 1 Aug 2003 13:41)
omg i just came on to talk about the front cover of DW thats pretty freaky! oh well i was going to say it looks pretty cool. Didn't know where it was but now i do thanx AIB
>>By christina (Friday, 1 Aug 2003 14:11)
This is same style as the other uk books right?
Dutch versions have usually a soldier (mncab most of them) on front cover. But for the Dutch version of Dark Winter you have to wait until the end of 2004.. keep hanging around, I'll let you know, hahaha.
>>By Lynn (Friday, 1 Aug 2003 15:41)
Ooooh! We’re famous! We made the Wall Street Journal!!!!
Okay, well, not “us” exactly, but Gnod did! On Tuesday, July 29, Gnod was written up in an article “Getting Book Suggestions Online” by Zachery Kouwe. The WSJ tested several computer program services which recommend books, ranging from Amazon’s system to Gnod, which was described as “a quirky artificial intelligence experiment.” Gnod was noted as being the fastest service, providing recommendations in seconds, and they were impressed with Gnod’s “unusual touch” of gauging the similarity of authors by the proximity of their names. Marek Gibney (aka mg) was quoted as saying that the site’s inner-workings are ‘as complex as a gothic cathedral’ and that Gnod’s database is developing as authors are mentioned and then added. To stay within the discussion guideline constraints, I’ve paraphrased rather than quoting, but if you’d like more from the article, you can send me a flork message.
Good stuff, MG! :o)
>>By am-i-binned (Friday, 1 Aug 2003 22:12)
Definitely interested Am-I-Binned, you know where to send..
With all those writers here..... MG is becoming the celebrity!!! ;o)
>>By Lynn (Friday, 1 Aug 2003 23:07)
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