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I might..one day. Still reading Biting the Bullet but almost finished. Can recommend that one too, though maybe I like it very much since it's written from the wife's point of view.
But I do think it's a good read for a guy too. Andy is mentioned a couple of times - very funny, I might post some of it.
Saxon - dead and not knowing? Do you feel like you're in heaven? In that case there's no problem I guess. But since I've never noticed anything 'sixth sense' about myself - and I am talking to you - I do hope you're still among the living.
Like I said - syntax is not really my cup of tea but as Ignaty pointed out - who cares, the stories still 'rock'.
Brits in pied-a-terres...?? Never saw any, obtained my English through other sources - still learning every day.
What do you write if not books?
:o)
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 26 Aug 2003 20:14)
Thought it was ladies first Saxon, but you beat me to it... :o)
(posted just before I did)
Re: Men died because one man cocked-up, but which one?
Just one man?????? Certainly mistakes have been made from top to bottom (or bottom to top whatever).
But if I had to pick just one - I'd say it's the guy with the fur coat and big black moustache - the reason they went to the place.
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 26 Aug 2003 20:37)
After you, lady Lynn.
The Guy in the fur coat and big black moustache didn't get up any Britishers noses nor that of the Netherlands and as he was allowed to stay put first time, atrocities committed long period after Iran Iraq war and ignored at that time, what was the point in your eyes for second invasion?
What do I write if not books? Animation tutorials for wouldbe animators. One could say my work reflects written words as found in scripts and that means I can see the funny side of potentially horrific events worldwide.
>>By Saxon (Tuesday, 26 Aug 2003 22:34)
imho there have been many failed missions before, and there will be many more to come. i don't think that a single factor, be it a person or an event is alone responsible for the cock up of b20. a 100% record is virtually impossible to achieve.
i don't remember who said it, some us general i think, but war looks great on paper, and every single option and alternative has been checked and thunk over, but everything f**ks up at the very first gunshot.
on another level of thinking, you might apply murphy's law to that mission. if something can go wrong, it will... and things tend to go from bad to worse. also it seems that everyone grants themselves 20/20 hindsight, which really is the most annoying part.
and, what if b20 would have pulled the whole thing off? what then? 8 books less for us to read and 2 forums that wouldn't have been filled to the rim.
just my 5 <insert currency here>
>>By trident (Wednesday, 27 Aug 2003 09:06)
Well Saxon, you do know how to be respectful to the ladies :o)
If you don’t mind I’ll let Andy Mcnab answer your Iraq question, since it’s his board and I have no intention of discussion politics since I’m just a Dutch office worker, so what do I know…
Re: he was allowed to stay put first time
Andy Mcnab:”…what we have to remember is that the alliance that fought the first Gulf War was enforcing a UN resolution to expel the Iraqis out of Kuwait, and that's exactly what happened”
He added: “With hindsight it would have been better to go all the way in to Baghdad which certainly the generals wanted to do.”
Re: what was the point in for second invasion?
Andy McNab: “Fortunately the armies are under control of governments, but the downside of that is that we're in a situation now where our troops are in potential danger, but I think that if we don't do anything this time, the situation will only get worse and we'll be back there, and more of our troops will be in danger and possibly killed”
(quotes from live chat History Channel in march this year)
Animation tutorials..!! That’s sounds great! Are you a fan of Andy’s humour?
Don’t know if you’ve read former pages of this board, if not you might not know we have a little contest going on. A report of your first (personal) meeting with Nick Stone. Why don’t you enter and give us an animated version..??!! Our attempts are somewhere between page 40 and 50 I believe. Don’t say it’s just for the girls, our Paul R. did a terrific (sequel) job too !!
Too many lives were lost to say I’m happy B20 fooked up Trident, but I must admit the books are a very interesting read.
:o)
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 27 Aug 2003 10:28)
There was an interview with Andy McNab, about Firewall I think, in which he said that he speaks out the text for his books aloud and records it, that that's the only way he can do it.
(He even acts out some of the things he's saying, like, once when speaking about jumping, he jumped of the couch, I thought that was very funny).
Up till then I thought his books were written by a ghostwriter, after I heard the interview I supposed he wrote them himself.
It really doesn't matter to me.
Andy is the one that's telling the stories, and they're brilliant.
>>By Lethe (Wednesday, 27 Aug 2003 12:05)
Hindsight made Nelson & Wellington masters of their craft, some would say Churchill as well, for with hunility they learnt from earlier mistakes. Can the same be said of those who chose to invade Iraq for a second time. Victory as yet has still to be won but those who invaded believe they are already the victors. The spoils of war to be divided in two-way split are at present being sabotaged and that is only the first few steps of further resistance to come from within the Arab sub culture of terrorism.
I enjoyed B20 and like most people watched the movie but it's old news now and it seems as though you are all stuck in a rut so when you've moved on to McNab's last book let me know.
cheers
>>By Saxon (Wednesday, 27 Aug 2003 14:00)
It’s all tactics…
Saxon, November 6, that’s the release date of Dark Winter. If we can get it when shops open, give us till the afternoon and we’ll discuss…
Hey Lethe, sure hope he doesn’t act out everything, think he’ll know how to find his way to the bathroom???
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 27 Aug 2003 14:45)
Forget Mcnab! (Till November anyway), go out and buy 'The Watchman' by, Chris Ryan. You will love it.
>>By Scouse (Wednesday, 27 Aug 2003 15:57)
Been there, read that..
or weren't you talking to me Scouse?
>>By FF (Wednesday, 27 Aug 2003 16:30)
Dark Winter 3 Nov. 2003 on amazon.co.uk, where you can see the cover. Nothing else, sorry.
For any questions relating to GW justifications: www.whitehouse.gov
Email them and please let me know whenever you have a reply, I'm interested in too.
>>By alice (Wednesday, 27 Aug 2003 16:58)
FF, If i knew who you were i'd let you know
>>By Scouse (Wednesday, 27 Aug 2003 17:24)
Went paintballing today, kept thinking about all the times AM has described battles lol. I shot my mate in his wrist as well, he has a bad bruise there. Brought back memories of Immediate Action, when AM was in Colombia, and that guy got shot in the wrist... bullet came out of his elbow, shattering his whole forearm. Just a random comment, hope you don't mind :o)
>>By Ignaty (Wednesday, 27 Aug 2003 17:56)
Hi FF, so what brings you on this board..,
Have you read anything of AM, if so wich book and did you like it? How did you find us?
Anyway welcome ,it's always nice to have someone new between us.
Hi Alice, long time no see, where have you been?? Holiday...hmmm good..
Saxon, ...leaving allready, .. you've just arrived...?
>>By borisette (Wednesday, 27 Aug 2003 18:04)
Hey Borisette, I've had a lot of work, then a lot of holidays...
Who could help me? I want to get B20 and IA in audiobook, with AM as narrator of course, but I can only find cassettes. Do you know if it exists on CD?
(Cassette player only in my car. Can't go and seat in the car each time I want to hear him...)
>>By alice (Thursday, 28 Aug 2003 01:47)
Whoa! Lots to catch up on....
Hi, Christina and Ignaty…
As to Eye of the Storm, “Attitude is everything!” Unfortunately, I thought Ratcliffe has a lot of attitude, but not quite the kind I appreciate, however, I did find it a good cross-referencing book. As to Ratcliffe’s spin on B20, I’m too biased toward AM and CR. And, hopefully, Mike Coburn’s version will also be available someday…
Oh, btw, Ignaty…
Re: paintball… check out this for fun and games IA-style: www.specialairsoftsupplies.co.uk/sas/Members/andy/
2002_02_11_1013431532624
Welcome back, Ortlieb! Now hurry back, Ortlieb!
Good question re: “Queen’s Regiment” – dunno – plus, it gave me another one: Am I remembering correctly reading somewhere that SAS and/or ex-SAS usually avoid saying they are or were in the Regiment, that they just allude to their prior military service? (I haven’t a clue where to beginning trying to verify that amongst my books…) :o\
Welcome, Saxon...
Interesting, we've discussed ghostwriters here in the past (altho not in recent months), but we’ve never really gotten into specifics like syntax. Want to share some telltales? Also, is there anything in particular about LD you want to discuss – plot line, characters, religion?
Excellent quoting, Lynn…
Also, please do post some of the anecdotes from Biting the Bullet -- one overlap that made me laugh was AM making the analogy in B20 that “This was lying in a freezer chest…” He would certainly know, considering the story Jenny Simpson tells of the barbecue where AM was one of their guests… :o)
Hi, Trident…
Completely in agreement (do you accept PayPal for currency?). One thing I found disturbingly obvious in reading other accounts of UK Special Forces Gulf missions was how many logistical problems there were – intel and comms cock-ups were by no means unusual, it’s just that for B20 they seemed to be taken to the -enth degree…
Yep, Lethe…
It was the Firewall interview: www.relaxwithabook.com/interviews/authorslist.cfm.
Oooh, to be a fly on the wall during one of his creative sessions (probably safest place to be anyway! vbg!). While AM surely has someone assist with grammar, he has consistent patterns and sentence structure in his speech, in his stories, and even in his online chats, so it’s very easy to “hear” him dictating (or narrating) his stories. Good thing he’s successful, too, cuz it must be costly replacing settees all the time… :o)
Welcome back, Alice…
We’ve missed you! Oooh, and how nice of you to return with such good news! Now, please, what’s your secret? How did you manage to move up the release date by three days from the date you originally found for us?!? (Saxon – we’ll be ready to discuss DW sooner than Lynn thought!) As to the AM-narrated audios, B20 is on both CD and cassette but, as of right now, IA seems to be available only on cassette.
Oooh, Borisette!
Those are new AM pictures... sorta… says they were taken in September 1999, but I don’t think they were there earlier this year in April when Alice posted about the Mirror’s pictures. Hmmm… wonder if that’s a G-shock watch he was wearing back then? :o)
Yessir! Scouse, Sir!
Reading The Watchman now and enjoying very much, too! Sorry, though, no can do – totally unable to comply with: “forget McNab” – am willing, however, to kinda divert my focus temporarily... ;o)
Hallo, Paul R…
Lynn brought it up again, but if we ask very nicely and promise to be good, would you please, please, please provide the third instalment? We’re hangin’ here… :o(
Quick curiosity question re: Spooks (aka MI-5 in US) and London….
In the third episode (One Last Dance) where Zoe is in the Turkish Embassy when it’s taken over by Kurdish terrorists, there is a scene where the men working under Johnny Marks run across the rooftops. In the distance there seems to be a huge ferris wheel -- is it actually a ferris wheel?
>>By am-i-binned (Thursday, 28 Aug 2003 07:36)
Hi Alice,
I got B20 +cd's from Ebay.
Maybe you should have a look, they've got lots of books and other stuff.
Hi Saxon,
Are you familiar with Buddy? Or perhaps related ;)
>>By Lethe (Thursday, 28 Aug 2003 10:37)
Thanks for your replies, I'll go on ebay tonight.
Where were you am-i-binned? Needed holidays after this long year of (good) work? Congratulations...
>>By alice (Thursday, 28 Aug 2003 12:55)
Lethe, do you have AM's version of IA also?
Fanx, Alice, wish I had been on holiday! :o\
>>By am-i-binned (Thursday, 28 Aug 2003 14:59)
Did any of you read McNab's ex-wifes book? I read it, hmmmm. Can sort of see why he didn't want her to publish it. But she didn't really put herself across very well either.
AIB
Can't remember that far back in Spooks that was shown last year in Blighty, keep watching for the last episode though, it's a corker. Can you see the benefits of Tom Quinn for Nick Stone?
>>By Bethan (Thursday, 28 Aug 2003 17:01)
Uhmmm... sorry, Bethan, but nah. Tom's a cutie for sure, but he does not seem "dark" enough to me -- his face is too open, too young, too gentle, too... uhm... unbattered and bruised by the life NS has endured. Still favour Sean Bean and/or Viggo Mortensen, but even they pale compared to Lynn's and Borisette's recent pictures of AM... (vbg! vbw!)
As to FN's book, yes, I've read it so I understand your comment, and no, she did not come across well to me at all... made some of AM's doubts almost plausible, imho. Best part of the book? The pictures!!! :o)
>>By am-i-binned (Thursday, 28 Aug 2003 17:37)
OOh I've read FN's book as well, but not the one with the pictures offcourse, I bought the one you all were too shy to buy, ..."the SAS Sex handbook"
It was a disappointment really, she did write about her relationship and marriage to AM, but then he wasn't the only SAS guy she'd met, and yes she didn't come across all that well, I meanwhat would their daughter think about reading this book..I don't know..
And as to the SAS sexual prestige, well I'd think they are like every normal military ,or even civie -man, could experience during their lives, nothing special about that. You don't have to be in the SAS to be fisically fit and have a greater sexual endurance than others.
>>By borisette (Thursday, 28 Aug 2003 19:26)
I got FN's book too, the paperback edition - the kind of title you should hide when you invite your boss for dinner. To my mind it's only gossips and vulgarities, and you don't learn much about AM. Anyway as I finished the book I was moved. Poor little girl, so nice and naïve, abused by everyone in this cruel world. Appealing. Like a pet.
>>By alice (Thursday, 28 Aug 2003 22:04)
Obviously been away too long.... and it's only been 3-4 days. :)
Hope everyone's been having a grand time. Amazon.co.uk has a nice offer if you pre-order AM's Dark Winter with CR's Greed. Looks good to me anyway, since I don't have CR's book. :) Is there a synopsis out there for Dark WInter? Haven't been able to find one.
Just ordered LD and now I'm waiting for my copy. Very patiently. *staking out the mailbox*
>>By Dare (Friday, 29 Aug 2003 02:20)
Hi, Dare... synopsis per Amazon: "When Nick Stone is despatched to Malaysia by the CIA to assassinate a biochemist, he expects his mission to be a straightforward part of the fight against Bin Laden. But soon Stone finds himself facing an unspeakable trade-off involving the life of someone he loves." And also some speculating posts here on pgs 62-63. Careful OP'ing your mailbox! Don't want your mailman gettin' all postal on ya... ;o)
Oooh, Alice... meow! LOL!!! :oD
Sheesh, Borisette... no pictures?!? They're the only really worthwhile part of FN's book! (my meow!) :o)
>>By am-i-binned (Friday, 29 Aug 2003 05:02)
I'm confused mine didn't have pictures either, has she done more than one book? I have to say she has probably hyped up the capabilities of every SAS soldier and will have upped the female population of Hereford very nicely! Mind you wouldn't like to be the SAS soldier that is ummmm a little over-eager! What's the one with the pictures about? Can't get that in my little place.
I have to agree with alice she did seem like a pet - I would never admit to that.
>>By Bethan (Friday, 29 Aug 2003 10:00)
Hi Aib,
Now that I know it exists(AM's version of IA) I'll have to get it ofcourse.
I just read FN's Married to the SAS, and I think the title's incorrect.
She only married one of them, and slept with all the rest ;)
Still, I don't think you can discount it all as rubbish and lies.
I do believe things can happen like that in a small community.
And I do think people who are made to believe they're special get a big ego and act accordingly.
Furthermore, some things are just so typically male, they are easily recognisable.
Like, that a man can't help but sleep around, it's his nature, but if a woman does the same she's a whore in a man's eyes.
Let's not pretend Andy is a god or anything, he admits it himself in IA, his motives are mostly selfish.
It's admirable he can recognize his own faults, but they're still there(though some of his faults I don't see as faults myself).
One thing FN wrote about Andy in her book struck me as very cruel: it was when he came back after his ordeal in Iraq and he told her all about it.
She then said: "If you ever want to talk to anyone about what happened, please just come around and talk to me if you want to." and he answered "Why the hell would I want to talk to you?".
I think this is true, just as I feel that some things Andy writes are true and real.
Just because Andy's an amazing person doesn't mean he can't be cruel.
Well, I think you get the point.
>>By Lethe (Friday, 29 Aug 2003 12:04)
Oh, by the way, I think Sean Bean would do very well as Nick.
Or what about Nicolas Cage? He has such sad eyes.
>>By Lethe (Friday, 29 Aug 2003 12:07)
Hi Bethan
"Married to the SAS" (with pictures) is the hardcover and "the SAS sex survival handbook" (no pictures) is the paperback.
[Thanks Swedisch Reader!]
I don't think she's written another book but who knows? I'd love to read...
"cooking for the SAS": how to keep the dinner warm during a month cause your SAS husband has been sent away.
"SAS laundry": how to keep your SAS man as clean as a new pin.
"change your life: a bottle of red wine can be as nutritive as a real meal".
... I think I'd better stop right now...
>>By alice (Friday, 29 Aug 2003 12:21)
I get the impression he's a great person to know at a party, would keep you amused and be really charming on the surface but not someone you'd want as a close friend or more!! And if Nick Stone really is him to a tee then that shows in his early books. Maybe he's realised he's a bit of a b*****d and that's why he's changing into a more emotional, tree-hugging kind of guy. Hence the new improved Nick Stone. Some of it might rub off! But for how long....
As for FN and that book she seemed too wimpy to be with a man that confident (nice way to put bigheaded!), but then could anyone keep him in line?
>>By Bethan (Friday, 29 Aug 2003 12:27)
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