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>>By am-i-binned (Wednesday, 10 Sep 2003 23:50)
with a candlestick in the library!
>>By trident (Wednesday, 10 Sep 2003 23:57)
ooer missus!
>>By Scouse (Thursday, 11 Sep 2003 00:28)
I must have missed the part with the butler. Or maybe it was the butler disguised as a goatherd.... Yeah, that's it! ;) Those butlers are fiendishly clever that way.
>>By Dare (Thursday, 11 Sep 2003 03:59)
If CF really does come out, will it be produced in Britain and the US?
>>By dxa111 (Thursday, 11 Sep 2003 04:30)
Not sure I follow your question, dxa111... by "produced" do you mean "released"?
Miramax has the rights to CF (to all the NS stories for that matter); I would expect them to release the film worldwide. If you're talking post-movie theatre (DVD and video), I would certainly think CF will be available in both PAL/Region 2 and NTSC/Region 1 formats, and probably SECAM, too.
Hmmm… now, speaking of CF and thinking Clue – how's ‘bout Tim Curry for Metal Mickey? ;o)
>>By am-i-binned (Thursday, 11 Sep 2003 14:25)
Here's a suggestion:
Nick Stone: Steven Seagal, Gary Busey or Jean Claude Van Damme
Producer: Jerry Bruckheimer
Director: Woody Allen
Hehe... now THAT's a flick worth every penny!!
>>By ortlieb (Thursday, 11 Sep 2003 14:41)
Oh, Ortlieb -- what about thinking BIGGER and going for the A-Team! Arnie for Nick, Angela for Sarah, Andy producer, and absolutely Allen for director... LOL! Yeah, I'd pay a penny for that! Hmmm... wait, let me think, uhm... actually I might hold off on that decision depending on the currency exchange rate... ;oD
>>By am-i-binned (Thursday, 11 Sep 2003 15:21)
I have no idea who Gary Busey is! And I have to say if you're going for the A-Team then Nick Stone has to be Face (ha ha guess the eighties kid!!).
>>By Bethan (Thursday, 11 Sep 2003 16:52)
Here's the idea of all ideas how about Andy for Nick! The pixels would only make it more exciting, just a pair of blue eyes in a hazy face. And we know he wouldn't mind using cling film - oh I'm so clever, I could earn a fortune in Hollywood. Or not.
>>By Bethan (Thursday, 11 Sep 2003 16:57)
Bethan, for Gary Busey, think Lethal Weapon (the very first movie) and Mr. Joshua (the guy who burns his arm to demonstrate his loyalty and self-discipline -- not to mention, his lack of intelligence... ;o) Uhm, and now that I've mentioned it, it's been years since I saw that film, but does anyone remember the story behind Mr. Joshua? Was he supposed to be SF-trained or am I mixing in some other movie? :o\
And, thank you, but you can keep those damn pixels! I'm tired of straining my eyeballs to detect images! 'course if Miramax waits long enough they could have AM play NS sans pixels -- just lots of petroleum jelly on the camera lens to miraculously hide the years and nobody ever knows the difference! -- well, at least that's what Diane Keaton, Joan Collins, Cher, Susan Sarandon and the rest believe (meow)! Sorta P for Plenty of Petroleum! :o)
>>By am-i-binned (Thursday, 11 Sep 2003 18:22)
You all go wash your mouths now !!
>>By Lynn (Thursday, 11 Sep 2003 19:30)
No, no, Lynn!!! I said petroleum on the camera lens!
(muttering: sheesh! what's she all fired up abo... uhm... oh, wait... ooops!)
Okay, sorry, Lynn, you're right! Where's the soap?
>>By am-i-binned (Thursday, 11 Sep 2003 19:42)
Sorry Shadowraptor, but I must take exception to your comment on p71. Asher was 'only in the reserves'? Anyone wishing to become a member of the Territorial Army's SAS (21 Reg et al) must complete selection the same as a regulaar soldier. Indeed, many TA SAS men are held in high regard by regular members of the green army. I agree, Asher is a left wing 'do-gooding' waste of space attempting to get rich on the success of McNab and Ryan. But to say he is 'just in the reserves' is derogitory to the dozens of men who serve the regiment on a part time basis and put their lives on the line without being able to confide in those close to them and tell them what's really going on...
>>By Apparently (Thursday, 11 Sep 2003 21:54)
Hmmmm..... CF production crews huh?
The soundtrack could be done by Danny Elfman. :) And what about Tim Burton to direct?
>>By Dare (Friday, 12 Sep 2003 00:55)
No, the TA guys do not do the same course as the regs.
They have to complete distances at 3km's per hour rather than the 4 like the reg lads. And the TA lads get a couple of weeks in between. They certainly don't do jungle
"But to say he is 'just in the reserves' is derogitory to the dozens of men who serve the regiment on a part time basis and put their lives on the line without being able to confide in those close to them and tell them what's really going on..."
Well, they don't serve in the Regt, not without joining R Sqn.......And not confide ...yeah right.
The TA lads don't do the same cycle.......Standby, the team and so on in the same rotation that the reg of the lads have. And they certainly do not serve with the regular regt unless they pass another selection course.
I've got to say, why are you all so interested in SF and these books? Either join up, put yourself on the line or, to be quite frank, bugger off.
'Mcnab' should never have written about it.....what you do amongst our mates in the name of our country should remain that way. Neither should have Ryan or DLB or any of the others. Many other soldiers have not made or exploited the memories or exploits of our friends for money. SAS or not.
You are a soldier.....I don't want my last fart to be broadcast to all civvis to see.
Ryan and Mcnab (as S**** *c******* likes to call himself) have given enough away already 'fiction' or not.
>>By sp10122 (Friday, 12 Sep 2003 03:36)
Wow, sp10122!
Why not just throw a flashbang to go along with such a bomb-burst entry! :o)
And then, while the smoke clears and our senses recover, maybe you'll tell us what brings you to this forum.... what were you looking for that you found us?
>>By am-i-binned (Friday, 12 Sep 2003 05:14)
McNab is not just a soldier, he's also a person writing about his experiences, his terrible experiences.
Everybody has the right to do that
And, if you keep silent about things like this, they are not going to change.
That's the way it works.
And he does it very well, giving us new insights, enlightning us.
If he makes money of that, good for him.
He deserves it a 100 times over.
>>By Lethe (Friday, 12 Sep 2003 09:44)
Well, Special Person 10122 from the HM Government. We've had people telling us this before... they always left and we stayed.
Why would that be?
If you really want to contribute here.. tell us something new..
other than S**** * c*******, out of respect we're not interested in posting that kind of stuff.
Good one about the last fart though.
:o)
>>By Lynn (Friday, 12 Sep 2003 11:50)
sp10122, who are you to come on here and tell people what they should or shouldnt be interested in. This site has been going for a while now, and your not the first CRANK to come on it and make out he knows a lot more than the rest of us.
So, either keep your condensending statements to yourself, join in the discussion constructively, or BUGGER OFF, as you say in Crankland
>>By Scouse (Friday, 12 Sep 2003 11:55)
Ooh, tempereature's getting high in here.
I understand what sp10122 is trying to say though. It's all about staying professional and keeping things professional. I have a military background myself (Norwegian Recon-unit, but of course not included in the SF-league). What most people who are serving in various army-units that uses at least some of the SOP's developed by the SAS reacts on, is the blending of military life and a civvie "wannabe" culture.
That's just the way it is guys. But I don't except SP10122 to hang around in here for too long.... :)
>>By ortlieb (Friday, 12 Sep 2003 12:21)
Well well sp10122 what have you started? Join up or bugger off! Thats where you insider knowledge fails then most of us are women - spot anything wrong with that? So Mr Government Man answers on a postcard please, I have an orange hat (so the saying used to go) you can write on that!
>>By Bethan (Friday, 12 Sep 2003 12:32)
QRF!
>>By am-i-binned (Friday, 12 Sep 2003 12:46)
Hey sp10122, RTU!
What is S**** * c*******?
And, Apparently, I wasn't trying to be derogatory, I was just making the point that I wouldn't trust Michael Asher. He said he was an SAS trooper, when the TA and 22 Reg are different things.
>>By ShadowRaptor (Friday, 12 Sep 2003 14:49)
I'm glad I'm not the only one who was slightly confused by S**** * c*******! Did Asher quote the whole name in his book? I've never actually read it and he only said S****** on the TV. Mind you if M sp10122 is trying to prove he's Mr Government by hinting at names of certain people then I'm sure his employers would be interested . And since there were too many stars for s**t (good girl see!) I've decided he can't be swearing.
>>By Bethan (Friday, 12 Sep 2003 15:09)
I agree with SP a bit because SAS are a very secret special force. Ex. The time of Iranian Embass assault when the SAS was put in action on public TV. The SAS soldiers went in to execute the mission and came out without exposing themselves much to the media. However, AM write great books and IA is one of my favs.
>>By dxa111 (Saturday, 13 Sep 2003 00:28)
Blimey...fan mail (I hope I replied to you all)
Look. My point ultimately is simple (if not very well put)
What you do in government service remins that way. Not because out of some commitment to your country but because what you do remains with youy anbd your friends. They are the people you ultimatley do it all for.
I just don't understand the fascination....civilians wash their hands of the military (Vietnam) when it suits them and then applauds it's heroes the next because they need something to cling on to.
'Mcnab' has made a lot of money out of this. How many men have served in the SAS/SBS/Paras/RMs/British Army and so on that have not SOLD their stories and quite rightly so. Can u imagine a unit where you spend the hole time watching what you do or say incase it endes up in some idiot's book.
3 men died on his patrol. It was a major f**k up. Not all his fault, but I wouldn't want to drag it through the public domain. The other patrols who did a very good job are unheard of. Yet for you uthis bloke is the dogs b**llocks because they didn't sort their comms out, got compromised, didn't follow the E*E plan, got captured and then wrote about it.
What has ultimately really upset people (rightly so) is that he's given away detailed SOPs and procedures and not just talked generally (as DLB did) about his experiences. That's what's pissed people off.
I wish people would realise that.
>>By sp10122 (Saturday, 13 Sep 2003 03:33)
Just had a quick read through the comments....
Myself and a few other interested (amused) individuals have watched this site for a while. But the whole TA comparison thing was just too much.
If 'Mcnab' had just written the fiction books do you really think he would be anywhere near as successfull? People wouldn't have a problem with that but when you start laying down - I said this, he scratched his arse at....people start getting upset. Wouldn't you?
What really made me laugh was this though........a Flork profile
<Profile snipped. Please dont make fun of people here. Thanx.>
Oh dear.
You appreciate this blokes literature, fine, but don't ever forget the people who don't write about it, don't sell it and do the job better or without glory. 'Mcnab' claims he was the highest decorated soldier in the B Army in 91/92....v v dubious. How much do you really think is fact and how much is made to allow the publishers more of a story?
>>By sp10122 (Saturday, 13 Sep 2003 04:05)
Hello Sp10122,
I've been reading the latest posts and just had to respond:
Re: What you do in government service remins that way. Not because out of some commitment to your country but because what you do remains with youy anbd your friends. They are the people you ultimatley do it all for.
No... that's what YOU do. There are many reasons for people's service in the military. Everyone has their own motivations and what drives them to serve is different for each. They are all valid and all worthy of respect ... for the service if nothing else. I served for my own reasons. Your reasons for serving are personal and just as worthy as the guy who joins for the educational benefits.
Re: What has ultimately really upset people (rightly so) is that he's given away detailed SOPs and procedures and not just talked generally (as DLB did) about his experiences. That's what's pissed people off.
The DoM asked AM to write B20 and I'm not sure if they requested IA. He probably wrote IA because there was a market for it. His further books are fiction based on real circumstances and have the blessing of the DoM, so .... mostly what it sounds like is the military guys that are not happy with AM's making money off of his writing and experiences are perhaps jealous they aren't able to do so as well. Not necessarily because they aren't allowed to, wish not to, or are too honorable, but simply because they don't have the ability to write a marketable product and/or don't have the blessing of the powers that be. It's called sour grapes. And IF they were just pissed off because of the SOP's, they would probably also be wailing away about all of the military handbooks out there being published and sold by major booksellers by the governments that wrote them... and paid for them.
Re: I just don't understand the fascination....civilians wash their hands of the military (Vietnam) when it suits them and then applauds it's heroes the next because they need something to cling on to.
I think it's a bit presumptious of you to assume anything about any of us from our posts discussing an author we enjoy and admire. For instance, I am ex-military. Navy active duty, not reserves. I served for 5 years.
Those who haven't served in the military are no less capable of making astute or educated observations about military matters than I am. Heck, a lot of these "civilians" are better informed on military matters, especially info related to SAS, than I am! And military people who are contemptuous of civilians because they didn't/aren't/can't/won't serve in the military are just as bad as the civilians who are contemptuous of military people for serving.
There are a VAST number of civilians who did not "wash their hands of the military", not for Vietnam, Desert Storm, the Falklands, etc. They were and are supportive of the military. I don't know for a fact but I think some might be posting on this board.
And there are those civilians out there that do exactly what you say, but even worse, they don't really respect the military even when they use them as banners and figureheads to boost themselves, gather votes or gain public support. That's part of life. Even if they don't like us, it doesn't mean that the job won't get done.
Re: You appreciate this blokes literature, fine, but don't ever forget the people who don't write about it, don't sell it and do the job better or without glory. 'Mcnab' claims he was the highest decorated soldier in the B Army in 91/92....v v dubious. How much do you really think is fact and how much is made to allow the publishers more of a story?
Yes, we do appreciate that blokes literature. That's why we are here. :) And please don't make the mistake we forget the people who don't write about it or sell it. Their "glory" isn't as evident or attached to monetary compensation, but it's just as real.
It would be a bit much to assume there aren't people out there who can't and don't do the job better than AM or any of the other fellows writing books. AM is pretty vocal about the mistakes and bad calls he's made. I gotta respect that. Not sure who claimed he was the most highly decorated SAS soldier at the time. People may feel that he wasn't the highest decorated soldier, but even in marketing there has to be some truth to a claim like that. You say it's "v v dubious". SO do you say he's liar or a patsy?
And if people in the know are so upset because he's letting out their trade secrets, it implies he speaks with some accuracy. People might want to give the guy a little credit for being accurate about whatever decorations he was awarded, whether his publishers used them for a marketing tool or not.
>>By Dare (Saturday, 13 Sep 2003 05:42)
re: NS casting...
how about david morse / neil mcdonough / jason statham to play nick stone...
three guys that immediatly popped into my mind...
just bobbing ideas... now back to the book... trying to get into the mood by drinking p**s-warm coke...
>>By trident (Saturday, 13 Sep 2003 11:25)
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