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>>By am-i-binned (Friday, 29 Aug 2003 14:49)
Apology to Andy I was probably a little harsh earlier considering I have never met the guy he would probably think I was a bit of a b***h now anyway! (I'm not really too little for that!!) Anyone got a copy of those great FN pictures they can send me? I'm intrigued now bloody cheapo paperback versions.
Oh and Cameron Spence's All Necessary Measures is worth a read. Not as upbeat as Sabre Squadron but he gives an interesting take on their work in Bosnia.
>>By Bethan (Friday, 29 Aug 2003 15:31)
Hey Bethan,
I'd like him as a close friend or more!
Or at least as "more" ;)
I don't know if he's a nice person, but at least he someone who can feel.
And who knows he feels, and can describe what he feels.
That's more than most people, especially men.
>>By Lethe (Friday, 29 Aug 2003 19:34)
Well, I've been measuring and measuring but I'm afraid the vehicle did not fit in my show-case so I let it go..
Sorry AIB, I do have an old DAF you can drive though...
Bethan, Bethan.. thought running from CR would have tought you... noooo, you go all over the same thing with AM. Well maybe your apology will help you but better wear your running shoes..just in case (tell me when the chase starts.. I come running too)
Oh, did someone offer you the pictures yet?
:o)
>>By Lynn (Friday, 29 Aug 2003 23:35)
Mm, it's been a nice week for McNab on his own board. "Forget McNab" (how could you...?!), "SAS sexual prestige is exaggerated", "he's not someone you'd want as a close friend or more".
Who could still say we are biased McNab maniacs...
Well about sexual prestige I agree with Borisette. Anyway I'd like to check by myself, just to be sure. Likewise for the 'close friend' matter.
Eh, who's written this? I didn't, I can't have said that!
>>By alice (Saturday, 30 Aug 2003 02:08)
Okay now, Ladies, please stop and think this through for a minute! What is wrong with this picture? AM is coming after you and you are going to run away?!? But, okay, if you're sure that's the plan, how about if I volunteer to run interference for you? Oooh, how selfish... I mean selfless! of me.... :o)
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 30 Aug 2003 05:06)
Well, I'd like to throw my hat into the ring, if we're volunteering for tackle-duty with Nick/AM. AIB-- no need to sacrifice yourself on my account, anyway. I'll take it on the chin.... or anywhere else he happens to land. ;)
Oh heavens! Here I thought I was being silly getting all wobbly over Nick/AM and now I find out there's all this competition! LOL
I still haven't gotten been able to get these pics you guys are talking about. :( *pouts* If I say Please?
>>By Dare (Saturday, 30 Aug 2003 05:56)
Sheesh, Dare, if I send you the pictures, will you promise to at least give me a few wobbly steps of head start?
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 30 Aug 2003 08:05)
Don't send her any AIB, she'll go more crazy than she already is
Just kidding - but good luck.. once you get them... :o)
Forgot to push my favorites forward once again... Paul Walker and Colin Farrell for Nick
Liberation Day's Dutch version is published this week.. buying next week, guess have to read again then..
And about Spooks: we're watching same episodes AIB! But I can't tell you about the ferris wheel, sorry.
>>By Lynn (Saturday, 30 Aug 2003 10:14)
I come back here after a few days and everyone is slating Andy!! Someone said Andy is not the sort of person they'd want as a close friend! I'd love to have him as a mate. I can imagine him being extremely loyal (as long as I wasn't a target on a mission or something), and i really admire that ability that Andy / Nick has to blank out emotions at the snap of a finger. I wish I could have the strenth / skill to do that.
Can also imagine him being the life and sole of any pissup!
If you're reading AM, you're invited to my 18th in October, if u can make it.
>>By Ignaty (Saturday, 30 Aug 2003 11:43)
The way I see it, AM is clear on how to function and get what he wants out of a situation. He'll use manipulation, charm, honesty, deceit, and when it comes to his old line of work anyway, violence. He's not a liar by nature, though he may be a manipulator by nature. I think, in a way, he misses the old life because there's no room for ambiguity there.
I like his ability to feel and express how he feels, too, Lethe. The fact that he doesn't whine and try and blame his choices or f**k-ups on others, his past or circumstances (in fact he takes more responsibility for things, a classic sign of children who've been abandoned or left to fend for themselves) is one of the things I find very refreshing and endearing. He'd be a tough one to live with but he would be worth the work.
(When I find someone who thinks I am mutually worth the work, then I'll know I'm in the right place.) Until then, I'll read (and daydream) about Nick. ;)
(Especially since my other literary "crush" got married recently. :()
PS. Oooh, Ignaty, was that an invite to a party? It wasn't very specific, but if we put our AM skills to good use, we should be able to pinpoint the exact time and location..... *starts looking for clues* :)
>>By Dare (Saturday, 30 Aug 2003 14:38)
Now Ladies,... why is it women always have to dream about their "Knight in armour",and then it turns out that usually these men are difficult to handle aswell.
Ok, we're in the year 2003 now so I guess our Knight becomes a daring adventures misterious maverickish, SAS (ex wil do also) soldier. Times don't change now do they. The armour is still there, even if it isn't like it used to be with swords and daggers, but we have the Heckler & Koch MP-5sd caliber 9,
or the MP-5K caliber 9. He won't come on a white horse, but he'll be driving either a Humvee or Jeep or even be on some motocycle or what about just plain running about...you could find him evenjust dropping down from some aeroplane doing his usual, Haho or Halo or whatever he's up to...And we (silly us) are there waiting and waiting, looking out, keeping his dindins warm, washing his clothes ironing, aaaaaah what a dream....oh no this is a nightmare, I want to be the one jumping down from planes, driving around with my humvee, coming home and finding everything nice and warm and clean.....And I've found it....:
Got a cleaning lady 3 times a week, go out working in my jeep (ok well it's a grand cherokee so that will do) and yes my Knight in armour, the first time I saw him he was driving this great motobike (those motocross ones) and I was on my bike, he stopped and drove next to me,isn't that great,.. next thing he invites me for dinner..... burger and chips...isn't that romantic...but then you guys don't know where we were...haaaa!
>>By borisette (Saturday, 30 Aug 2003 15:12)
Woowoowooow!
Just read on the other board written by Buddy, that Colin Berry is back home. Isn't that great! Don't ask me what happened, I haven't found it on the newspapers yet, ... they're all on about this Campbell man that quitted.
>>By borisette (Saturday, 30 Aug 2003 15:35)
These are the only two articles I found so far. Interesting: no mention of SAS or Berry's military background, there was a second Brit in the room, an American bystander was injured, and who was in the room and the sequence of those entering the room is different...
Briton held over hotel killings freed by Afghans
Telegraph.co.uk, UK - 10 hours ago
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
xml=/news/2003/08/30/wberry30.xml&sSheet=/
news/2003/08/30/ixworld.html
Briton released from Afghan jail
BBC News, UK - Aug 28, 2003
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/
essex/3189741.stm
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 30 Aug 2003 18:18)
Hey borisette, I don't want a white knight or any other kind of knight. I just got out of a 20+ year relationship, uglier than you can possibly imagine. Me and mine are still dealing with it. I DON'T want a knight. A mature man would be nice. :)
And I don't want to be waiting around to take care of anyone's homey little issues. If I don't find someone willing to take me as I am with my dreams and desires as much a top priority as I'll make theirs then I guess I'll just take care of my own life. Until then, I'll hope that Nick/AM is as decent a person as he seems in the books. The fact that they are both to some extent fictional has not escaped my notice.
Anyway, when I heal up from that latest fall, I'll jump back on the horse/motorcycle/whatever. For now, I'll read about Nick. And hope he finds happiness. :)
>>By Dare (Saturday, 30 Aug 2003 18:58)
Looking for further info on Colin (nothing), but found this -- dunno whether to think it sad, strange, ironic, bittersweet or what... shades of Last Light, though, for sure:
http://icbirmingham.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/
0100localnews/content_objectid=13354252_
method=full_siteid=50002_headline=-
Tramp-inherits-a-million-name_page.html
Wonder if this is anyone mentioned in any of the related books we've read...
>>By am-i-binned (Sunday, 31 Aug 2003 17:07)
Don't know if you got it, so:
www.worldbookdayfestival.com/authorprofiles/
authors/andymcnab.html
(interview)
And this one just for fun:
http://web.icq.com/wwp?Uin=212725968
>>By alice (Monday, 1 Sep 2003 02:38)
Ha ha I'm a little stirrer! I have to say he sort of reminds me of a friend of mine, lovely bloke can't fault him most of the time, but he does tend to say what he thinks you want to hear, whether he really thinks it or not. And that's the impression I get with AM. Come on Andy, get in touch am I right? Hee hee, but only if you promise not to pull my head off, I'm only little.
On the other hand his honesty with looking at his faults is amazing to me he could have taught CR a lot about that! But the bottom line is none of us know what he really likes, maybe I'm being harsh who cares? he writes a good yarn and he can do what he likes as long as he carries on doing that.
Yes Lynn I have a new found love for running so I'm picking on every ex-SAS writer to race them. I might be in with a chance for the first 50 yards....
>>By Bethan (Monday, 1 Sep 2003 10:24)
Bit of a waste of space comment really had dinner with the in-laws this weekend talking got to what books you read. Hubby said I liked thrillers etc. (I don't think he has read a book past Noddy!). Sister-in-law (younger than me I hasten to add 24 going on 50) told me ladies shouldn't read mens books. Hmmmm. Think I might ignore that one, Mills and Boon don't do it for me.
>>By Bethan (Monday, 1 Sep 2003 10:27)
Oooh, Bethan! Good thing I'm here and your s-i-l is there -- them's fightin' words, them iz! My sympathy to you... (and her husband)... vbg! vbw!
Found this article from "The Scotsman" that's sort of a follow up to one of your posts on pg 58:
"With a possible assignment in Iraq for BBC Scotland, Lesley Riddoch completed the six day hostile environment awareness course set up by a former Bravo Two Zero SAS soldier. It isn't for the faint-hearted, but neither is downtown Baghdad."
Full article: http://www.thescotsman.co.uk/s2.cfm?id=921612003
This paragraph was especially interesting:
"None of which would have occurred to Pilgrims founder Mal Macgown when he was captured behind enemy lines - a member of Bravo Two Zero - the eight man SAS team captured by the Iraqis during the Gulf War in January 1991. Despite being tortured he managed to stand every time his captors entered the cell, kept it tidy, thanked them for the food. As a result he got better food and a toothbrush. A bit of a triumph for an ex-dentist. Unlike Andy McNab he didn’t start writing a book. He didn’t get angry. He got Russell Crowe on his tail for six weeks as the Hollywood actor used Macgown as a model for his character in Proof of Life. Crowe plays a former SAS man working as a "K & R" - kidnap and ransom - expert for a London-based insurance company called in to negotiate the release of an American businessman captured by terrorists in South America. The Kiwi-born, Oz-educated Crowe persuaded director Taylor Hackford to change his character from an Englishman to an Australian. "I told Taylor to have a look at the SAS in England, knowing a lot of Australians, New Zealanders and people from Zimbabwe make up the ranks." Zimbabwe born, Oz-educated Macgown must have made quite an impact."
Neat how-to and what-if stuff, too. Made me wonder if the program also covers alternate medical uses of large safety pins (ouch!). Hmmm... come to think of it, might also be an effective s-i-l silencing technique to deter foot-in-mouth incidents! (slap! ouch! sorry!) ;o)
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 1 Sep 2003 11:18)
Hey I saw that film, it's with Meg Ryan isn't it?
And they sort of fall in love aswell, but at the end she goes back to the husband. So Crowe tailed our man "Stan", wowwie, great, if that 's how he is..
>>By borisette (Monday, 1 Sep 2003 12:39)
Lynn
Pictures sorted wink wink. And mighty fine they are too.
AIB
S-i-l silencing treatments more than welcome!! I'm a constant disappointment to her ha ha. The next best one was having short hair, apparantly it'll make my husband feel gay!! Hope he doesn't need too much therapy.
>>By Bethan (Monday, 1 Sep 2003 16:45)
Hello again!
Computer-problems at my college has finally cleared up (it was struck badly from the infamous Sobig-virus), so I should be able to participate on the McNab-board again on a regular basis.
Still, it's a racing pace over here (who said civvie street would be all gravy?), but I'll try to join in when I can.
Finished reading CQB by Mike Curtis, and I highly recommend it to everyone. Although I'm probably the only who's willing to admit it, it's nice to venture into an (almost) McNab / Ryan free SAS-zone once and a while. ;)
>>By ortlieb (Monday, 1 Sep 2003 19:15)
AIB, you have nothing to worry about. I do a walk/run of three miles every other day, but it averages out to about 12 minutes/mile. Of course, if I had the motivation.... ;)
Oh my, Bethan! S-i-l sounds like a piece of work. Kudos to you for your sense of humor about it. ;) I'd be seriously tempted to take a page from AIB's book and aim a few smacks to the back of her head.
I didn't see Proof of Life, but I guess it needs to go on my list. The list is getting pretty long here. I need to get crackin'!
>>By Dare (Monday, 1 Sep 2003 19:18)
Oh, Dare, absolutely do see Proof of Life! It was recently recommended to me as an excellent (perfect) example of SASR men! And now, after reading the "Pilgrims" article, I can understand even better why RC did such an excellent job! :o)
One of the neatest things I realized when I watched PoL (and the same thing was true with Black Hawk Down recently), is that a year ago both would have been interesting movies/stories which I would have been able to follow well enough. With all that I've read and learned over the last year, however, I was amazed at how much more depth I perceived in even the simplest of things... almost (I hate to sound presumptuous, but I'm among friends here, right?) a "been there, done that" kind of implicit understanding of the whats and whys of everything being said, done, and happening... and I found that extremely exciting and rewarding, SAS-junkie that I am! :o)
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 1 Sep 2003 20:47)
LOL! I know what you mean about the "been there, done that". I did the Navy thing for 5 years and the only reason I didn't stay in was because of family needs. Love the military life-style, the sense of teamwork and purpose. Transferred that over to family and my kids are a great investment so.... I only regret the loss every really blue moon or so. :)
I haven't seen many military movies because of the emotional impact they have. I especially don't watch them in theater settings. I cry at Kleenex commercials, for heaven's sake!! I'd make a complete fool of myself watching BHD or WWS surrounded by complete strangers. ;)
I did just finish up LD and I loved it! Especially liked Nick starting to come to grips with his worth. Up to now, that has been his biggest hurdle. A very common one, from someone who has been left to struggle from childhood on up. It hurt watching him allow pr***s like Lynn and Elizabeth, then Yes-Man, Sundance and Sneaker push him to the wall. It would be nice if he would just whack the fu**ers next time they try it. (George is included on that particular list, BTW.)
I'm surprised Carrie still plays the game with Daddy, too. Of course, I understand the need to believe in others and how long it can take before the final line is crossed, especially with family members. Makes me want to see George take Hubba-Hubba's place in that pit.
Oh well... maybe that happy scenario will be played out in the next book. :)
>>By Dare (Monday, 1 Sep 2003 22:09)
I like all the NK books but does anyone realize it gets pretty bad one after the other? Remote control was great but liberation day became a bit weak.
>>By dxa111 (Monday, 1 Sep 2003 23:41)
dxa111-- Not sure what you mean by weak. Can you explain what it is about the subsequent stories you don' t find as satisfying?
>>By Dare (Tuesday, 2 Sep 2003 00:24)
Hey Borisette,
I'm kind of jealous of you.
Driving of in your "jeep", having a cleaning lady, a Knight in Armour on a motorbike....
I think it's some kind of instinct with us ladies to want a knight in armour.
We want someone who is strong and can protect us, and Andy certainly qualifies.
That doesn't mean we want to do the laundry, the dishes, and cook dinner.
Us modern women don't.
At least I don't ;)
If it were up to me (but don't tell everyone) I'd keep my sweet, loving husband and have my Andy too, and they could do the dishes together....sigh...
Speaking about modern women, I didn't know women like your s-i-l still existed, Bethan.
Can't you hire someone, say, an ex-SAS man to threaten some sense into her?
I'm still catching up on all the interesting postings.
Be back later.
>>By Lethe (Tuesday, 2 Sep 2003 00:36)
I would love to hire someone to talk some sense into s-i-l any volunteers? One more thing. At dinner the other night (same time as the hair and the books!) after explaining who AM was etc. she argued that it isn't called the SAS but the SAF (special air force) need I say more! I gave up so she still thinks it's SAF.
I can sort of agree with dxa111 Liberation Day wasn't my favourite. I did get a bit fed up with all the clicking! but then there were parts of it I loved, his sense of humour (who can forget the hats! and the parking the boat) was still there and the fact that at the end Nick started being all emotional-like means the next one can go in any direction he wants. Come on lets have him settling down for a bit please (mind you if AM bases it on himself then we are guaranteed he'll move on before Dark Winter finishes!)
>>By Bethan (Tuesday, 2 Sep 2003 09:36)
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