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Re: Pictures ;o)
Oooh, Borisette, very Nick-ish! Ohmi, Lynn, "animal magnetism"? And, Scouse, priceless even without the uniform and moustache!
Re: January 2003 Sun article re: VP & B20
Sorry, Borisette, I don't think I have such an article but maybe someone else here does. Can you give any other specifics? Where did you find out about it?
Re: Covert Comms
Dare, don't feel alone, I too am sans mobile. Exposure to eavesdroppers is huge on anything wireless! An entire conversation broadcast quite clearly one night through our baby monitor! We disconnected our monitor immediately! From articles I've read, simple scanners can pick up anything mobile or wireless, and people have been prosecuted for using scanners in that way. But as to ops use, in Remote Control, AM/Nick talks about encryption codes locking out such interferences when he listens in on Luther's earpiece to comms between members of Luther's crew and base. That would preclude bleed over, but then, of course, there's still Echelon!
Re: Borisette outrunning AM...
What is wrong with you!?! What are you thinking -- running AWAY?!? You need to get your priorities straight! LOL!
Re: Apparent flork problems
Apparently, maybe MG can help you if you're having probs accessing Dean Francis' forum. Flork message -- www.flork.com/mg.html -- or email gnod@gnod.net.
Re: Trident (aka Walla)
Think we forgot to recommend Dean Francis to you, Trident! Dean is an as-yet-unpublished author we're very enthusiastic about, much in the same styling as AM. Dean has a forum here at gnooks (www.gnooks.com/discussion/dean+francis.html) and his own website with sample chapters from two of his books (www.dean-francis.co.uk). Warning: Highly addictive!
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 23 Aug 2003 17:02)
Well the article I found in the Sun's archives. I think it was dated january this year, and Swedish Reader mentioned it on one of these pages, only you can't open up the file any more. So well no big deal.
>>By borisette (Sunday, 24 Aug 2003 00:01)
Borisette,
I have two articles in file, one about Vince, it's called Medal campaign for SAS 'coward', an article by Rebecca Mowling and the other article is about the Real Bravo Two Zero, by Michael Asher himself. Unfortunately I don't know if they are from the Sun though, only know I copied them in April this year, so they are obviously from sometime before.
If this is what you are looking for let me know, I'll forward them to you.
Take care,
>>By Lynn (Sunday, 24 Aug 2003 01:00)
The article says : B20 Vince cleared an SAS soldier accused of fouling up the B20 mission has been vindicated. Sgt. Vince Philips was blamed by col....
dated 11 jan.2003
Well anyway send me both so I can see by myself, ok, fanx.
>>By borisette (Sunday, 24 Aug 2003 11:23)
Hoi, Lynn...
Being as I'm very lazy, would you please send to me as well? The articles sound familiar but I can't find them in my files...
Fanx muchly!!! :o)
>>By am-i-binned (Sunday, 24 Aug 2003 14:26)
Consider it done :o)
>>By Lynn (Sunday, 24 Aug 2003 23:48)
Thanks, Lynn! I did not have those articles at all. It was interesting reading the excerpts from Asher, particularly where he refers -- incorrectly -- to accounts in AM's and CR's books. Doesn't exactly inspire confidence in what he's saying if he doesn't even quote accurately from published books... :oP
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 25 Aug 2003 03:32)
Hi all,
I'm a new user here, I love all of Andy McNab's books. I have been searching for a place like this for ages, where I can talk in more detail about his work. I saw something on page 1 of this message board by am-i-binned, he wanted to know the true role of Ignaty in Firewall. I always wondered that too, what would you say?
>>By Ignaty (Monday, 25 Aug 2003 13:20)
Hi Ignaty ! You sure know how to enter a place... mentioning
Am-i-Binned's fav subject ;o)
If you've read more than page 1 you'll know you have to go through the 3rd degree now.. (but if you didn't get through all 67 pages I don;t blame you haha)
So here it is: how did you find us at last? You love all books, so you've read all.. what's your favorite? Why do you like his books so much? Love to hear your answers but of course.... in this case answering is optional.. And I leave it to Am-I-Binned to discuss Ignaty/Valentin...
>>By Lynn (Monday, 25 Aug 2003 14:42)
Welcome to F Troop, Ignaty!
What would I say? Well, for starters: "Who were Valentin's nephews?" Ooooh, if only you were the other Ignaty, I really would have lots of questions! [Whispered]: Good grief, Lynn is right, I am a bit obsessed with Firewall... :o)
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 25 Aug 2003 16:56)
Oooh, and I meant to post this earlier this month....
Happy Birthday to us, F Troop!
This month is one year since the first postings on AM's board, and look at us now -- 67 pages! Who woulda thunk! (The timestamps here were not implemented until this January, so they don't show it, but this board actually first started last August.)
Candles, cake and ice cream boys, anyone? Yeah! ;o)
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 25 Aug 2003 16:59)
Woah, I didn't think I'd get responses this quickly! I just searched for Nick Stone, Andy McNab etc. on google. I've been doing this for a while actually, but sadly only found book reviews (mostly negative ones actually, which I cant understand). Anyway, i found this message board and started reading it. Was enthralled with the detail it goes into, like the stuff amibinned says on page 1 about the lists of IRA deaths, Operation Flavius (I was amazed to find it was actually real), webcams of the Panama Canal and so on. Like all of you, I am amazed that the MOD has allowed some of the stuff Andy McNab (full name!) has said to be printed.
Yes I have read all of his books, but in a messed up order lol. I started with Immediate Action, then Bravo Two Zero, Liberation Day, Crisis Four, Firewall, Last Light and finally (!) Remote Control. I would have to say that Immediate Action was the best non-fiction, as it gives a greater picture of his life. Remote Control was probably the best of the Nick Stone series, I never expected some of the twists at all. There also seemed to be more of the blood-and-guts action in Remote Control, such as his fight with Morgan McGear in the PIRA safehouse in DC.
Having said that, I probably found Firewall the most interesting. This is where I guess i will have many interesting conversations with amibinned, as he too seems to appreciate the ambiguity involved in the novel. Valentin's nephews, who Ignaty actually is, intrigues me. I never really understood the personality of Carpenter either, this might be just me, i dont know. Was there something medically wrong with him? Why did he go crazy and burn down the house at the beginning? Why did he hate Nick at the end? And who were all those old guys who sat around playing cards in Estonia? I also loved the tension when Nick got captured by the NSA, and the fight with the Democrat was amazing. I have to say the ending of Firewall is the best out of all the books, 'one can of kickass coke' cracked me up.
Probably going on a bit here, I eagerly await responses!
>>By Ignaty (Monday, 25 Aug 2003 18:53)
Wasn't Ignaty the guy who Liv was meeting at the train station? And, the nephews were the guys who kidnapped Tom (I've no idea how ), and were later killed when Nick S blows up the building.
I'm probably wrong, so i will have to read Firewall again...damn
>>By Scouse (Monday, 25 Aug 2003 21:14)
Oooh, I'm having an LD moment -- very cybercafe-ish and all! Okay, so I'm posting from a PC in the public library, but still... Unfortunately, this is not my own at-home library, meaning they do not have copies of AM's books at hand, so I'm relying on my feeble memory for the following....
SPOILER WARNING!
Yes, Scouse, you're right about Ignaty. He was Valentin's right-hand man who, while appearing to be in league with Liv, was actually reporting her actions back to Valentin. It was Ignaty's name on the note of introduction which instilled terror in the hearts of the card-playing crew at Eight's apartment.
As to the nephews, I've never been sure which characters they were. There were the two who were captured by the NSA along with Nick. They were last seen (or heard rather) as they were being taken away by the NSA, leaving Nick alone in the bathroom with the infamous Coke can. But why would they have been killed by the NSA? Surely, the NSA would want them alive to tell how they'd hacked into the national security systems.
Then there were also all the people at the house where Tom was being held (they were killed), but I never got a complete grasp on exactly whose house that really was. Liv had told Nick it was the Russian Mafia (Moliska-sp?) but was it really? Or was it actually Valentin's operation that Liv was trying to beat to obtaining the codes to crack Echelon? What was Liv's purpose in telling Nick to kill Tom and destroy the systems? Was she trying to cut her losses and cover herself? If so, how would she have paid Nick? Did she want Nick to destroy that facility to set Valentin's operation back? Even so, she didn't have the laptop, or Tom, so she wouldn't have been able to get the Moonlight Maze codes or Echelon's info either, so what would she have accomplished?
If anyone wants to untwist this for me, my little pretzel brain would be most grateful! :o)
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 25 Aug 2003 22:39)
Yes I knew it was Ignaty who Liv was meeting at the train station, it was rather his broader role that interested me. It seems he is Valentin's mate who does all the dirty work for him, eg. doing the killing. It's just the way at the end when Valentin says 'May I introduce Ignaty' that gives the impression Ignaty may actually be more respected by Val than we first thought, for reasons unknown.... Hell, I don't know! I'm probably looking a little too much into it.
On another note, has anyone read First Into Action by Duncan Falconer? It's an Immediate Action style book but for the SBS, not the SAS. Very sceptical about the SAS too, and with all the one-liners and humour like McNab. Still not in the league of our man Andy, but an interesting read
>>By Ignaty (Monday, 25 Aug 2003 22:49)
Just been looking back through the pages, please could someone send me the pic of Andy? Go on. Please!! the_cubba@yahoo.com
>>By Ignaty (Monday, 25 Aug 2003 23:02)
Sorry I'm going back a little.. celebration of F Troop one year
anniversary..!! Time flies when you're having fun.
Did y'all know some
of us met at another board with a limitation of 60 posts max.... hahaha,
we'd fill that in a few days!! So we went looking for another board and
stumbled across Global Network of Dreams... lots of authors.. but
shattered dream... no Andy McNab board!!! We would have moved on but the
brilliant MG (our Merry Gardener) planted a new tree...our Andy board..
ready to blossom. Some would say it's a tree with apples, some with pears
and we've had spring and summer and fall.. OH SHUT UP LYNN .....
Andyway.... just to say thanx to MG for such a nice place for us to be all
together for better for worse...... etcetera ! Take care :o)
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 26 Aug 2003 10:20)
New here, and it struck as funny that 67 pages in one year is a celebration with victorious overtones that another site only has 60 pgs max. Could it be the other site hits 60 pgs in less time and more often? Out of curiosity how do we verify such a statement? Where is the other site? Is there a competitive leaning between this site and the mysterious other site?
Now to Firewall which is apparently book of the moment here. I felt it had too many bits missing and few follow-on links in later books. Right or wrong? Did the author lose the plot or did his previous ghostwriter pass away? Which might account for why the follow-on books bear a different narrative voice.
>>By Saxon (Tuesday, 26 Aug 2003 13:29)
Hello Saxon !
What's with the interest in the other site?? You just got here :o)
The other site is Allreaders.com. You might find it interesting so take a look. There's no competition (as far as I know) but we filled a lot of pages there to find nr 61 automatically drops off, so with each new post, the eldest disappears.. and that's a shame if it was something worth reading again, especially if you just 'found' the site and wanted to read about older discussions. Here it all stays right were it is... unless you post something in breach with the houserules...
Why do you think McNab used/uses a ghostwriter?
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 26 Aug 2003 13:43)
I see all you have been keeping busy in my absence.
Things are just the way they should be then, right? :)
The Colin-story is obviously the new hot potato of subjects it seems, and I haven't been able to read through all of AIB's and everyone else's statements. But still I have a question:
How's Colin ex-SAS? The article says he retired from the Queens Regiment? Is 22 SAS also known as the Queens Regiment?
Sorry, but I have to flee.
I'll be back soon on a permament basis.
Take care everyone.
>>By ortlieb (Tuesday, 26 Aug 2003 14:18)
Good getting to know you Lynn, and didn't you know grass is always greener in good old Andy M style.
Why do I think Mcnab used/uses a ghostwriter? His syntax changed and author syntax never changes with how ever many books they write.
>>By Saxon (Tuesday, 26 Aug 2003 14:21)
Hey Ortlieb!!! Mysterious disappearance and popping up again out of nowhere.. now who do you remind me of ??
Nice to see you again and you better be back indeed !
Oh Saxon, good old Andy M style.... if he'd only changed his lawn 5 times his exes wouldn't have mind.... :o)
So you think his syntax changed.. I'm not a writer so I don't know about syntax all that much. I'd like to think he has a good editor and that changes in writing is due to being more relaxed in real life and as an author. I think his strenght is the feeling you get from reading his books.. for me that's like being there with him, looking over his shoulder, watching every move. The difference between writing about some character and ' been there, done that'. Could a ghostwriter give one that exact feeling?
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 26 Aug 2003 15:24)
Ghost writer or not, the ideas and experience are all Andy's, and they all rock.
Just starting to read Eye of the Storm by Peter Ratcliffe, saw it mentioned on previous pages, any good?
>>By Ignaty (Tuesday, 26 Aug 2003 16:00)
Saxon - I just realised how you must have read my post about the other board... no wonder you mentioned the competition !
You thought I was comparing the amount of posts as in " we have more than they do" Oh no, didn't mean it at all like that. I was saying we didn't like our posts dissapearing on Allreaders and that was the reason we looked for a board who would keep record of them all... Great thing is if I post something that can be misunderstood is that I can say " Hey I'm Dutch, English just isn't my language" :o)
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 26 Aug 2003 16:40)
Hey Ignaty
I have never read that book tell me if it is good when you finish I might read it.
>>By christina (Tuesday, 26 Aug 2003 16:58)
Come on Lynn, the Dutch are good 'n' up on their English language what with Brits in their pied-a-terre dotted all over Amsterdam, yes? I do a lot of work for Dutch companies! And what's a little competition between message boards? Makes life more exciting and a might more interesting than cutting lawns the Mcnab way of skid marks at every tricky corner. See the syntax your way and I'll see it mine. I'm no book author but my customers recognise my work when they see it, and same goes for when I read Mcnab and where his work changed direction. My life has been an emotional roller-coaster too but my written voice has remained constant. Might it be that I am dead and didn't know it?
Hello there Ignaty. How much a fan of McNab are you? I'll be interested in feedback on Eye of the Storm if you are not prone to binning any book a little anti McNab. I enjoyed it and it did fill in some serious gaps on the B20 fiasco. Will duck out now and see if I get sent to Coventry for that slip on the grass.
>>By Saxon (Tuesday, 26 Aug 2003 17:52)
Ignaty, you can find som AM pic on the mirror.co.uk site, just scroll down below and type his name, off course don't expect to see his complete face, he's very shy!!!;)
AM having a ghoswriter, well everything is possible, but I haven't read all of his books, so I can't tell if I agree or not. Everybody thinks RM was the best fiction but I didn't like it all that well, I prefered LL, and most of all his 2 non-ficions. But knowing AM is quite a babbeler and can talk your head of anytime, I think he wrote his own books and didn't need any help from an outsider. So in a way I agree with Lynn, he definately is changing, maybe relaxing I don'tknow that's his business. He absolutely changed life-style, now even being called for Hollywood, good for him. Wish I'd done it. (well not joining the SAS and so on.. I ment the writting offcourse)
Nice pic Scouse!
>>By borisette (Tuesday, 26 Aug 2003 18:39)
Who's ever interested : read this: mirror.co.uk
the article about rats, they are the only animals the SAS aren't allowed to eat, ueeeeh, yuck....
plus to change the subject ,.. there is an article of yesterday saying :
SAS hero's widow wins year long pension light.
>>By borisette (Tuesday, 26 Aug 2003 18:51)
Christina & Saxon: Yeah I'm a couple of chapters into Eye of the Storm now, it seems good so far. Contains AM-style humour, though Ratcliffe's writing style is a bit more advanced than AM. Can't wait to get down to the juice of the story.
Saxon: I am a big Andy McNab fan, in that I enjoy reading his books greatly. I appreciate that his B20 account does have some big gaps, and earlier on the message board I read some posts that I agree with, commenting on which parts of the story AM chose to remember / forget. Obviously we'll never know the answers, and the book still makes a thrilling read. Ratcliffe's account I'm guessing will probably be very similar, but covering some areas that AM didn't / wasn't able to. Doubtless there's some things Ratcliffe has not included as well.
We actually don't know if AM told the whole story in B20, he might have included more than we think, just the MOD didn't allow it? Who knows.
>>By Ignaty (Tuesday, 26 Aug 2003 18:55)
Ignaty and B20. I think it a shame McNab chose to make his name on a military mission rated an almighty military cock-up and nothing to be proud of. I read Ratcliffe's Eye of the Storm and if you cast aside McNab's natural talent for spinning a good yarn it is reasonable to suppose the two men disliked each other in the manner of starving rats in a cage. Might that be why the SAS never eat their own kind? Who do you believe about B20? Chris Ryan? Andy McNab? Peter Ratcliffe their immediate senior officer? Peter de la Billiere et al? Who really cares who killed who on that mission? It is irrelevant. The mission was a failure, utter failure. Men died because one man cocked-up, but which one?
>>By Saxon (Tuesday, 26 Aug 2003 20:08)
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