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(MG, just caught you with a big smile on your face… VBW)
Welcome to F Troop’s national colour..
Maybe we can get a sponsor now – we’ve talked about getting T-shirts ages ago!
Lethe, as far as I know (but somehow I have my doubts) there’s nothing missing in B20, I was talking about Remote Control. Dutch version starts where other version already had 4 pages of reading pleasure. VBG (As in Very Big Growl this time)
David, indeed a good point. So this is another mission: The missing years !!
Anyone who can fill us in, please make our day(s) !
(you were only ‘probably’ Ortlieb, that doesn’t count.. hahaha)
I do have a huge complaint about this board and I’m thinking of charging MG for costs..
Nightstands???!!! I’m officially not in possession of a nightstand anymore!! It collapsed from the weight of all those new books… Well, it would if I had the time to buy.
Also I probably have to quit my job, sell the kids and animal farm, tell my family to be erased from their memory, step out of all community welfare work, sell the house, get rid of all possessions and move in with some monastic order or how will I find the time to read all this.
Cameron Spence's All Necessary Measures, 'She Who Dared', by Jackie George and Susan Ottaway, 'who cares who wins', 'The Women Who Lived for Danger: The Women Agents of SOE in the Second World War' by Marcus Binney, A Woman in Action with the SAS, by Sarah Ford
They all sound great by the way. So here a very desperate “Thank you” to all..
Your short story was great too Ortlieb. I’ll probably end up screaming in my bed too (see the above).
Hark!!!! Was that a whoopy cushion or was it AM?
No comment here Buddy, I just wanted to enjoy this line again.
Ah, Am-I-Binned, wisdom of age?? One year older and still no wiser… I’m still here ;-)
Paul R. “a babysitter is a good description for my job”
I have another theory, you’ve read what’s the best way of getting women’s attention. Like in a park you’ll have them swarm around you when in company of a baby. Better then a dog !!
Did I just confirm it’s working??? ;-)
Re: Andy McNab's real first name is Steven- By Steven
Steven, if only your ‘real’ name would be Andy McNab…………….
Hi Anthony,
As far as we know we are the most active ones discussing Andy McNab, any contribution is welcome. If you want information there are indeed people here who can help you.
Did you read his other books too? How did you find this site? What’s so special for you about Andy McNab that you would like to do something on the net...??
You see, all these questions are because we are very interested in other McNab-ers..
Hope they don’t scare you away, please tell us, we all ears..
Take care all,
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 16 Jul 2003 22:54)
whisper:
(my God, did I just fill up all that space..???)
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 16 Jul 2003 22:58)
Found a cool site a lot of interesting stuff about the SAS:
http://home.hccnet.nl/22.sas/
>>By ortlieb (Wednesday, 16 Jul 2003 23:16)
Lynn. Another book for that collection, would be 'No Escape zone' by Nick Richardson. It deals with the same mission as in Cameron Spence's, 'All necessary Measures' . Richardson was a Sea Harrier pilot that was shot down over the Balkans, and was captured by muslims; this incident is also covered in Mike curtis's 'CQB'.
So many books, so little time.
>>By Chris (Thursday, 17 Jul 2003 00:27)
Borisette
You have to click on the Flork link and register, then access this board through Flork so that your name appears in orange (not like I did the first time!). It seems you can get to a whole load of other stuff too, but I haven't tried that yet. Good luck!
>>By Bethan (Thursday, 17 Jul 2003 09:27)
Hey now I'm florked too.
I did it!!
>>By borisette (Thursday, 17 Jul 2003 19:57)
So what happens now...
>>By borisette (Thursday, 17 Jul 2003 20:08)
You get charged a members fee of 25% of your income. ;)
>>By ortlieb (Friday, 18 Jul 2003 08:35)
That's not including my fee for telling you how to do it! Mine's a gin and tonic, cheers.
>>By Bethan (Friday, 18 Jul 2003 10:57)
Hey help me out here, I have to choose my vacation between : Kenya - Red Sea- Creta-Cuba. What shall it be??? Have allready been in all 4 places, it's just that one of us doesn't pay, goes for free. And can I make it in time to find another AM book. Clancy is getting too much techno for me. What should I read, it's too late to order anything from Amazon or Bol.com or whatever.
>>By borisette (Friday, 18 Jul 2003 13:16)
Hahaha Ortlieb… 25 % ???You haven’t had your bill on the mail right??
No seriously – good one!
Since it’s really dull season (no offence Ortlieb! I mean it in general) here’s some I like..
“I didn’t like him and never would. He certainly wasn’t on my speed dial, that was for sure.”
“Trainers lined up three not-too-healthy-looking Simpsons mugs, Bart, Marge and Homer, which pissed me off. Maggie was missing. There obviously wasn’t going to be any brew for me.”
Also one I think is funny, that’s not McNab’s but about him. It’s about his writing: “Other thriller-writers talk the talk. Only McNab has walked the walk”
Well, ‘only’… that’s not true since we have a lot of similar (well… haha) writers now, but I thought it was a catchy line.
I liked this one too, from the Daily Express: “Nick Stone makes Action Man look like a crouch potato”
>>By Lynn (Friday, 18 Jul 2003 13:43)
Hi all,
Finished B20, it was great, interesting, moving.
I am really impressed at his excellent descriptions, of the struggle against cold, thirst, hunger; the fear, the pain, the hope, the despair, the fight for control, the comfort found in another human being; The Voice.
It is eery how he sees through what is being done to him.
How they manipulate him.
How could he know?
I think in his fiction he is reliving many of the things he experienced.
I had the impression that he is still holding back a bit on relating his emotions in B20, and he let go a little more in his fiction.
Writing those stories could be excellent therapy.
I know it is for some people.
Maybe reading them also.
My husband read TOTGA while I read B20.
I asked what he thought about it.
He said: "It is as if he(Chris Ryan) is hiding something."
I said:"how's that" and he said "I don't know, but he's justifying himself a bit too much."
Anyone recognize that?
Haven't read it yet, gonna read Immediate Action first now.
By the way, I'm really glad with all those tips for books.
I won't be bored for a while.
I got so bored with all those thrillers I was reading, I even had a try at literature again ;)
Buddy: most readers love to own books, but for those who can't afford them I thought I'd mention the library.
Some people don't think of that option.
Lynn: you wrote somewhere you can't find B20 the movie on DVD?
I saw it today in the Free Record Shop.
It was even on sale.( I've got it already)
AIB: It's a long time ago since I read The Hunt for Red October.
I didn't particularly like it, and I can't remember the technical details, they wouldn't have interested me at that time.
I've become interested in the genre because Andy McNab writes about it, not the other way round.
Ortlieb: Nice dreams, can I have some?
As I was having a stroll through the woods the other day I found myself looking for a suitable LUP and wondering where I should take cover if anyone attacked me with a machinegun ;)
Anthony: yay!
>>By Lethe (Friday, 18 Jul 2003 19:44)
Oh, You're joking Lethe !!
Did you see that flash in Holland, you thought it was
lightning?? It was me running to the store...
Wish me luck !
>>By Lynn (Friday, 18 Jul 2003 20:24)
To Buddy, I have some AM questions at the old haunt if you know what I mean. The thoughts are easier to explore their. Your Andy Mcnab SAS insight is very good. Thanks
OK no more butt kissing!!
>>By DTO (Saturday, 19 Jul 2003 04:11)
Lethe, when you said in ref to B20: "It is eery how he sees through what is being done to him.
How they manipulate him.
How could he know?
a) he was trained to interrogate a captured enemy by any means necessary...
b) if compromised in any way his SAS training for captive situations prepared him for such an event (the real thing not so different as regards punishment during training, though threat of death in training unlikely except in extreme circumstances/mishaps)
c) he was on the wrong end of interrogation methodology (looking at himself - seeing himself in the interrogators eyes...The difference being he was not in control of daily punishment schedules...
d) he was scared, he was suffering, and it wasn't an SAS team of instructors threatening to do nasty things like chop off his balls etc...
>>By buddy (Saturday, 19 Jul 2003 09:37)
Lethe, take a look at the Chris Ryan forum for what a lot of SAS men say about Ryan in respect of B20 mission...
It is often said in SAS circles that Ryan "speaks his mind" (Northerners do that) = "no bullshit" which is often taken as abrasive/aggressive...
You and your husband see that as hiding/justifying something!! NO - Ryan is saying it as he sees it...
McNab has a reputation for being a jack-the-lad and fast-talking Londoner = spins good'uns and fast (jokes/one-liners), which makes/lends outsiders to see a very affable/likeable/unjudgemental person...
Don't get me wrong, but of the two, McNab is the more deadly!!! He can charm the birds out of the trees to shoot at as opposed to others flushing birds to the wing with as much noise as possible. And, at end of day McNab will have the highest kill tally by stealth and guile.
As you imply a level of intuition and sensory awareness to underhanded doings, have you noticed the recent occurrance of orange hats on wrong heads...A real live Who Dunnit...
Who's raiding the locker room and switching the hats around? You'll know mine it's traffic-cone shaped, or as some would say, witchy...
>>By buddy (Saturday, 19 Jul 2003 10:13)
Old article, but very funny and enlightening in parts...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
g2/story/0,3604,563586,00.html
>>By buddy (Saturday, 19 Jul 2003 10:24)
Re: have you noticed the recent occurrance of orange hats on wrong heads...A real live Who Dunnit...
Who's raiding the locker room and switching the hats around?
Which posts are you talking about??? This is not supposed to be happening and I didn't notice but who am I?
If you're in Orange it means you have to log in with name and your personal password. You can't use a name that's already been 'taken' and the name has a unique password. The whole point of being Orange is so you can't post using someone elses name !!
>>By Lynn (Saturday, 19 Jul 2003 12:19)
you've all lost the whole point of this website, I am sure.
>>By Candlestick in the living room (Saturday, 19 Jul 2003 15:12)
Welcome, Candlestick in the living room...
If we are lost, maybe it is a good kind of lost -- interesting and diversified -- yet all with an AM/NS connection no matter how remote... ;o)
Welcome, Anthony...
An AM website would be excellent! If you have the expertise, we will utilize it I'm quite sure! Frankly, I've always been surprised that AM does not have an official website.
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 19 Jul 2003 17:36)
I'm soo glad you're sure Candle in the wind, so now at least
we don't have to argue about it.
I now know the hat shape of the witch,
what's the shape for the b*tch ?
Thanks for the article buddy, it was a good read, especially sitting next to the swimmingpool...
>>By Lynn (Saturday, 19 Jul 2003 18:08)
(public swimmingpool but don't tell anyone)
>>By Lynn (Saturday, 19 Jul 2003 18:10)
Hi Buddy and all,
I didn't read TOTGA yet, so I have no opinion on it yet.
That is just what my husband said.
I think I missed something here, because I don't know what you mean by the orange hats.
At first I thought it had something to do with Dutch soccer.
Or has it something to do with northern Ireland?
Anyway, we're discussing books here, right?
And I still find the books remarkable, and the writer very insightful.
No matter how he got this insight, it's still remarkable.
It is striking how in Immediate Action he is so honest about his feelings and motivations.
Not the hypocrisy, selfjustification and sentimentalism I encounter in lots of American novels, and that's such a relief.
"......chuffed that these 6'4" blond-haired, goodlooking thoroughbreds were getting the shove.
I'd say,"That's a shame." but inside I'd be thinking , good shit!
Everybody was for themselves, everybody wanted to pass. "
IA page 64
" There were only forty of us left, which I thought was great: less of a wait for food. "
IA page 75
....it wasn't the sight of the body that disturbed me.
I was far more concerned about what would happen if I got nicked. "
IA page 2
I just love it.
What about you folks?
>>By Lethe (Saturday, 19 Jul 2003 18:20)
I didn't see this site before, maybe you haven't either?
http://home.planet.nl/~egmon007/home2.html
Direct link to the B20 part:
http://home01.wxs.nl/~egmon007/BravoTwoZero.htm
>>By Lynn (Saturday, 19 Jul 2003 18:21)
there you go Lynn, missed the point completely! shall i fill in the * for you?
>>By dagger in the drawing room (Saturday, 19 Jul 2003 18:31)
Yes, Lethe...
I completely understood your comments regarding B20 and now the same is absolutely true of IA.
Uhm, Dagger...
May I introduce you to Candlestick? You seem a bit lost...
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 19 Jul 2003 18:53)
Lynn, nice one: Candle in the Wind!!!
Point being, Candlestick in the living room - snuffed!
Oh, a brimmed hat for the bitch, Lynn (Lexis Carrington) true Joan Collins style...
Hey, Dagger in the drawing room: lights out - don't move, McNab is here with his night-sights!!
Orange hats (joke) pleasant term for exchanged brain power/thought patterns...
Lethe, ooooh you's not anti American, I hope - "hypocrisy, selfjustification and sentimentalism " + Stars & Stripes fluttering (in your face) on every street corner/building. Bit OT on the old patriotism ain't they, granted, but quite nice people in a cute childish way of always having to have bigger & better sand castles than rest of world...
>>By buddy (Saturday, 19 Jul 2003 19:14)
Addendum, Lethe...
Orange hats -- when you login through Flork, your name is in orange; when you don't, your name is white. Buddy one time referred to this as "wearing an orange hat" and the reference stuck. Orange verifies the authenticity of the poster.
Thanks, Buddy...
Very interesting Guardian article -- I hadn't read that one before.
Thanks, Lynn...
Had not seen those websites before! How'd you find them?
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 19 Jul 2003 19:27)
Thanks, am-i-binned.
I'd really like to know your opinion on the subject as well.
Maybe you already posted something on the subject.
Today I read on from page 30 on the board, all very interesting and funny, with some great links too.
It'll take a while to read them all.
I'm only on the net in the week-ends, and it takes me hours to get everything sorted out.
I'm neglecting my other groups for this one, but then, it's a really interesting discussion group :)
About the orange hats Buddy: do you mean that some people are using other people's names?
I'll have to read back, but I'm very intrigued(curious) ;)
And yes, I am not too fond of our Big Brother in the west.
They drown all cultures in Coca Cola.
They make fun movies though.
>>By Lethe (Saturday, 19 Jul 2003 20:17)
Re: dancer on the drawing-pin
there you go Lynn, missed the point completely! shall i fill in the * for you?
Oh, I've missed many points before and I will again no doubt. But don't fill them in, I'm rather fond of the mystery..
>>By Lynn (Saturday, 19 Jul 2003 21:46)
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