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I'm from a small village Georgia, don't know much, haven't seen much. Would you be so kind to tell me who are the men and who are the women around here??
Lately it has been very vague - hardly impossible to tell who's who around here.
>>By Lynn (Friday, 23 May 2003 13:28)
and my English is lousy too - of course I meant hardly possible. See.. nothing is what it seems these days ;-)
>>By Lynn (Friday, 23 May 2003 13:30)
It's the gentlemen I count, aka Georgia, the gentlemen. And there are more here than you will ever know...
"The others know it was only a joke" -- Oh? And did you offboard to tell them so? Or did they, too, "stupidly scout out a silly article"?
Aaah, and I see you did not answer the questions put to you, but, then again, what did someone here say earlier? Oh, yes, I remember: "...a few here know my kind of response: ask a direct question and I'll give you puzzle pieces in return..."
You're only damaging yourself here now. Truce now, please, before all hope of repair is completely gone...
>>By am-i-binned (Friday, 23 May 2003 15:10)
Has any one asked a ? I don't think so. Who mentioned puzzle pieces? You have lost me. Repair what? Did you break some thing am-i-binned?
Oh a woman, Lynn. Hello. I am Georgia. How many men can you see here? You are right it is hardly possible to tell who are women and who are men. Perhaps they are not sure either. how amusing.
>>By georgia (Friday, 23 May 2003 17:48)
back again,
for am-I-binned (what does that mean),
tried to send you my email but failed anyway here is mine :
[email removed]
so you can send me the file thanks.
Now on this board who does know AM really, hmmmmmmmmm? Maybe he's just one of usssss.
>>By boris (Saturday, 24 May 2003 00:31)
Forgive me, but what in blue hell has sex got to do with it? Man/Woman, black/white, who cares? We're here to discuss AM's work and have a little fun in the process. Please don't degrade this site with sexist ridiculous suggestions. Us men get enough of that at home (that was a joke by the way :0) )
Seriously, lighten up guys and stick to the point of this forum.
PS Lynn was right. Just look at the photo's of AM with others - and like I said, not many of them are over 6ft - Georgia said earlier she was from McNabs manor in London? Now Georgia, please don't take this the wrong way, but being involved with various covert ops in my time I think I'm qualified to say this.
The man you think is McNab is probably an imposter, Someone who knew and perhaps even served with AM, but I'm afraid it simply isn't him. You asked earlier why he used the name Andy when his 'real' name is better. I'm afraid I have to tell you that Andy IS his real name. Secrets Act etc. prevents me from disclosing anymore info, and no doubt some here will shoot me down in flames and accuse me of BS. But Andy is his real name, and yes his surname does begin with M, although I shall say no more.
PPS Unless you're a dwarf, the average doorframe is 6ft 6in (I know, its 2in taller than my height!) but believe me, AM is nowhere near that tall !
Any evidence to the contary, feel free to post. If you want to find out more about me and my authenticity, visit the Dean Francis forum on this site - I've had to bare my soul there to get recognition!
>>By Hoarwithy R D (Saturday, 24 May 2003 01:01)
Boris, you don't know what am-i-binned means? You really are new to this aren't you ;0) Seriously, welcome on board. I totally agree with you, AM HAS probably - ney, definately visited this site - and I'm sure he's probably posted at some point. Hell, it could even be you! Could be me, who knows?
I just hope he likes what he reads, 'cos apart from some bitching, most of us are saying some good stuff about him.
You visited the DF site yet? www.dean-francis.co.uk
He writes in a similar style to AM, although I believe he's still waiting to get published (haven't visited his site for a while so I might be out of date)
I mentioned it a while back and it's getting some good coverage on its own forum. a-i-b et al are frequenting it.
anyway, keep the info coming
>>By Hoarwithy R D (Saturday, 24 May 2003 01:09)
If anyone's interested, Platform 4 at Hereford no longer takes you to London (hence the old saying), it's now platform 3 - and no, the trains don't run on time :-)
>>By Sheba (Saturday, 24 May 2003 01:14)
To: Boris
Welcome back! I was wondering if you were still here. Sorry about the problems with the email4gnod mailbox but it had to be shutdown. An alternate "buffer" is set up, but since you've posted your address, I'll just send the article to you directly. Regarding my name, it is a quote from Immediate Action.... ;o)
To: All
Re: 'cos apart from some bitching
Apologies again, Hoarwithy, to you and to All. I am sorry and quite willingly accept the punishment hat for my part, but not for my position, in the most recent set-to.
Re: Platforms
So, Sheba, does this mean the expression is now: ....sent to Platform 3?
Re: Casting calls
Yeah, Sheba, I could see Samuel Jackson as Josh or we could go for broke and try to get Denzel. Please, though, anyone except Seinfeld's "Newman" for Metal Mickey -- oh wait? -- how about Nathan Lane for Metalhead? ;o)
Re: AM's height
According to the way Frank Collins describes AM in his book, Baptism of Fire, Andy is 5'10"-11" because Frank was 5'10"-11".
Re: Baptism of Fire
Has anyone else here read Frank's book (other than Lynn and me)? I found it an extremely personal book, very sincere, and particularly poignant considering his tragic death a year after its publication. Here's an excerpt you might find interesting:
*****
We're joined by a new boy, a cocky Cockney of about my height and build. He's clearly a good soldier but he's too keen for us. His last experience of the jungle was on selection where everyone does everything right and you're under constant pressure. Now he's all eyes and ears: 'Watch out ... what's that over there? Look out!' But this isn't selection. There's work to do and we set ourselves targets which are realistic. Experienced soldiers are at one with the jungle. We melt through it leaving no trace of ourselves. We don't use machetes, we just bend branches our of our way. We come across big animals, an elephant perhaps, only feet away. It looks at us
and then turns and disappears noiselessly into the undergrowth. A big, unhurried creature which moves silently, at the right pace for the terrain. That's how we should be. But the new boy's always in a hurry, like all new boys.
'We could get there faster if we do this ... let's use our machetes, OK,
mate?'
We grimace at each other.
'Calm down. You're not on selection now. Just get at the back of the
patrol and watch what we do.'
The lad's name is Andy McNab. McNab's just into the Regiment but I see that it's already occupying the number one position in his life. His ambitions, his skills, his soldiering, they're everything to him. And I'm moving the other way. Suddenly being a soldier is just a part of a much bigger picture. My family, my new faith, other things matter now......
*****
Think that's a nice way to end this post...with Frank's words...
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 24 May 2003 07:31)
Hoar'y, it wasn't London where my dad worked with Andy it was at Stirling Lines, and you can tell all these here what you want because they don't know no different. If you know as much as you claim then you can tell us who all the RSMs were while Andy was there and you might just know who my dad is. Hoar'y you're being so indiscrete I don't think you know toss all about the regiment. Regiment men don't talk to unknown people not like here on the internet.
Sheba, and you must be a bloke because women don't get to use platform 4 at all. Platform 4 is a regimental joke. Have you stood on the station you are talking about where the real station is? Hereford is a small market town and when you have lived there long enough you belong to the village. Hereford is not on a direct route to any where. It is only a country crossroads. Not one of you sounds like you know the place at all. I still go clubbing and pubbing with old school friends who still live there. May be I went to shcool with your kids. I am 23 now.
I did know Frank Collins and his children. Do you know his children?
>>By georgia (Saturday, 24 May 2003 09:52)
Georgia, yes I know about the platforms - although I'm not a train spotter! :-) I could tell you about the bowling alley, the supermarket opposite the station etc. but I'm not here to authenticate myself. Platform 4 is on the opposite side of the tracks to the ticket office and used to be the platform that you could get a train direct to London from. So if you were RTU'd you'd be 'sent to platform 4- hence the joke you speak of. I merely stated that if you want to get from Hereford to London nowadays, you can get a direct train from Platform 3 (which means you don't have to climb the bridge!), or change at Newport. Chill out, I don't think anyone is digging you out here.
Anyway, lets draw a line under all that and start again on better terms ;-) Forgetting that you know Andy, what's your favourite book of his? Do you like fiction or prefer non-fiction?
>>By Sheba (Saturday, 24 May 2003 13:25)
Haven't been out in Hereford for a while. Perhaps we could meet for a drink Georgia ;0) I'm younger than you think... Do you prefer in town or further out? The Game Cock's not a bad boozer (on the corner of Holme Lacy RD and Hoarwithy RD next to the chippy - hence my name?) 5 mins walk from St Martins church?
What do you think of the Left Bank Village? Just been built last time I was there - nice restaurants though and anythings better than those old car sales gaffs.
There's a more lively place in Widemarsh St, but i can't remember its name now, its a couple of shops along from Philip Morris' Gun Shop...
>>By Hoarwithy R D (Saturday, 24 May 2003 13:39)
Does anyone know if Naughty but nice is still going?
>>By scouse (Saturday, 24 May 2003 14:06)
Hey Guys, you're authenticity pants are showing. Pull up your trousers and stop assing about. I prefer to watch these days after getting a few unpleasant private posts, and can see that you've all turned into playground bullies : "I'm bigger than you and my mate's better at kicking ass than you" and "You're so thick you don't know nuffink"
Christ, you all sound demented, frustrated, and in need of something worthwhile to do. So, tell me, anyone of you seen "Square" or if "Gazza's" still flying Chinooks?
And Georgia, you're wasting your time in trying to pin Am-I-Binned's tail on the donkey board. Am-I-Binned once posted in respect of: *Do-they-have-a-way-with-words-or-what comments...*
"Andy's comment reminded me of what Chris Ryan said about him: "a Cockney Jack-the-Lad with such a gift of the gab that he could talk his way out of any situation and tie you in a knot ... words came out of him so fast that you never quite knew where you were."*
Now Georgia, anyone with a half-cent brain can figure if AM is here he's gonna fast-talk you all around in circles if he thinks anyone might know too much about him. I've been accused of puzzle talk from time to time, as you can see from Am-I-binned's post to you, so maybe a touch of paranoia is prevalent at the mo, who can say...
Do yourself a favour Georgia and talk AM books only if you like them, if you don't want to talk about AM's writing find a message board more suited to your tastes. If you really, really, wanted to distinguish an ex Hereford boy from the wannabe' all you had to do was mention the Academia Squad. Anyone and everyone to do with the reg knows what and where the Academia Squad train and hangout, for you won't find their hallowed halls mentioned in any SAS writer's book and you won't find the place mentioned in any Hereford tourist guide. Anyone who hasn't heard tales about the *unprincipled principal* is bullshitting on insider knowledge to do with 22 SAS!
A word of wisdom to those who love anything and everything to do with the SAS: Enjoy the novels but don't take everything you read as gospel according to the SAS rule of thumb, for there are no rules as such in the reg. Every man is accountable for his own actions, and accountable for getting out of sticky situations with as much dignity as possible. The latter is not always easy when caught with pants down, (metaphorical statement) and AM knows all about that kind of trouble. His success with books and films will never compensate for having been compromised in Iraq and, in a personal sense, I feel the follow up book "The Real Bravo two Zero" has proved to be positive publicity as opposed to negative backlash. After all, AM has been publicly chewed over and spat out several times by those wishing to alleviate pain of their own past mistakes by publicly attempting to humiliate him, but what a superb to promote their own books. (?) To a certain extent the likes of one specific RSM and others, best not mentioned, have succeeded in heightening their own profiles off the back of AM's success...
When it comes to political shenanigans though, that's where I take my hat off to specific persons who were SAS trained and moved onto higher levels of security - opening doors for the right people. The backdoor route to power comes from being devious, and that means trust no one but endeavour to get everyone to trust you...That is the fundamental key to basic intelligence training, the ultimate key to housebreaking without force, and the key to ultimate covert monitoring of whatever by ministerial blessing or other - meaning low tech becomes high-tech security overriding internal high-tech security. Lordy lordy, that's a tad over a few heads here, no doubt. But, how one conducts oneself and moves up the servant ladder through seats of government is how one secures personal agendas, and business contracts right under the noses of those who do never really take much notice of chauffeurs...
I hope you all watched the Cambridge Spies on BBC? Great stuff, great casting, great acting...Bit old hat spy stuff but the essential ingredients of counter intelligence profiling remain as is today.
Take care all, you never know which of the moggies that frequents your garden has a listening device stuffed up its ass, or which of the squirrels or possums up a tree got a fibre optic strapped between their ears!
>>By buddy (Saturday, 24 May 2003 14:12)
Sounds like your all from hereford,anyway naughty but nice is the name of a rave night in a club in the town,i cant remember the name of the club,but it was an old style place,with carpet's and mirrors,and big arse doorman.
>>By scouse (Saturday, 24 May 2003 14:13)
I'm off. It's been fun...
>>By Hoarwithy R D (Saturday, 24 May 2003 14:41)
I have never claimed to have served with 22 SAS, nor am I from Hereford - just know the town well - thats all!
Anyway, shall we talk books, writing AM etc? Instead of seeing who qualifies to be a tour guide of Hereford ;-) VBW LOL.
Can't remember if I posted my fave fiction AM books before, but here goes anyway. They're in order of publication from RC to LB. Is this a view shared? Any further news on DW or the filming of CF?
>>By Sheba (Saturday, 24 May 2003 15:39)
AIB,Is the Frank collins AB stiil in print?i have had a search for it,but only one came up in a store in the US.
>>By Scouse (Saturday, 24 May 2003 16:10)
Hello, Hoarwithy ?...
Please consider remaining here a while longer -- do not give up yet....
Hi, Sheba...
Yes, I think I agree with your ranking of AM's fiction, they follow publication order for me too. The question was raised here a while back, what is your favorite? I ended up qualifing my answer saying, if I could only recommend one fiction and one nonfiction to get someone hooked on AM, they would be different from my personal favorites.
Hey, Scouse...
I don't know if Baptism of Fire is still in print (but I doubt it). I got my copy from eBay, and actually, I'm watching in case another copy comes up. These types of books (SAS-related) are limited in the US (too British or something, I suppose) so I end up researching on Amazon.uk and then watching eBay. Wait and see, with my luck, we'll end up in a bidding battle one of these days! (You'd id me easily--vbw!) I would let you win though because I think you would find Frank's book a very worthwhile read.
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 24 May 2003 16:54)
Thanx Darlin.
I have ordered one just now from Blackwells online book store,they also have a site in the US.
They have to order from the publisher,so it could be anything up to 4weeks for delivery.
The reason i'm interested in the book,is,as AM mentioned in IA,he was the youngest member of the regiment at the embassy siege.I still love reading about that night in May,1980,and not many other's have gone into great detail about it.
I wonder, does he talk about it much?,or is the book mainly about his Born again christianity?
>>By scouse (Saturday, 24 May 2003 17:19)
Oooh, Darlin', is it? Well then, Sweetie...
Yes, Frank does talk about the Embassy siege, but I don't know if it will be in the kind of detail you'd like.
Frank's story is very much along the lines of Immediate Action, but where Andy's stories are full of information, events, experiences, people and the ever-amusing anecdotes, Frank's stories seem more intimate, with an almost tangible quality -- as though you can feel, see, hear as he does, and yet he has a detached objective way of looking at himself. Very hard to explain, Scouse, very hard. I will tell you that his description of getting kitted up for the seige made me feel like I had experienced that same process hundreds of times -- obviously something I've never done, but it had a very personal impact. His conversion, too, while central to his story, is actually not at all what I expected. I think even someone dead set against any/all religions would still find his story worthwhile. So, do I sound like I liked this book? I'll be very interested in your perspective, Scouse....
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 24 May 2003 18:20)
From your eloquent description AIB,you sound like you loved it.i look forward to reading it.
>>By scouse (Saturday, 24 May 2003 18:54)
Back again, just went to the beach 30°c weeeeeeeee.
Books of AM I read are immediate action and remote control.
Liked the autobiography more remote control I thought was better at the end but was too short. And I can't see any child doing what Kelly did with Nick, so I think it maybe a bit exagerated. Well that is only my opinion.
Ho yes then out of curiousity o read one book of AM's wife, can't remember her name. Wich I thought was awfull, very revengelike (well maybe she did have to put up with a lot being married with AM, can't see him as an easy fellow), and a bit embarrassing for when their daughter will read the book.I think my next AM book will be B20 maybe I'll read it together with the book of the NZ guy and see who says the truth.Byeee
>>By boris (Saturday, 24 May 2003 19:34)
Boris..you haven't read B20 yet? Shame on you :-O
While were on the subject of other authors,has anyone read, eye of the storm,by Peter RATcliffe?
I thought it was excellently written,very funny,and by his own omission,very truthful.
>>By scouse (Saturday, 24 May 2003 19:45)
I'm currently 1/3 way through Sabre Squadron by Cameron Spence. Interesting as I'm at the bit where they're about to enter Iraq, but seems a bit slow to get my pulse going so far. Anyone else read it?
Unrelated to SAS, but definately worth a read is The Cage by Tom Abraham (think I spelt it right). He was a Brit serving as an American officer in Vietnam and was locked in a cage submerged in water. His capture, ordeal and eventual escape are deinately on a par with B20. The description of his flasback while held in a police cell 20+ years later is also very moving.
Has anyone read anything by John Nicol?
>>By Sheba (Saturday, 24 May 2003 22:29)
Sheba,i read sabre squadron and quite enjoyed it,it even got a blessing from AM himself.After SS,i suggest you read Eye Of The Storm by Peter Ratcliffe,who is refered to as Roger in spences book.The two books concentrate on the same mission,but with a slightly different perspective.
>>By scouse (Saturday, 24 May 2003 23:21)
Thanks scouse, will do. It's always interesting to read 2 views of one story ie:TOTGA & B20
>>By Sheba (Sunday, 25 May 2003 00:25)
Does anyone know much about the love affair between the SAS soldier, and Mairhead Farrell,the IRA woman who was killed by the sas in gibraltar,i know there is a book about it,but i'm not sure if its fiction or non fiction.
>>By scouse (Sunday, 25 May 2003 18:31)
hi
does anyone know what Dark Winter is about ?????
>>By chrissy (Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:55)
no,do you ?????????????
>>By scouse (Sunday, 25 May 2003 20:18)
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