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first off i find it hard to believe there was only one Andy,throuout the six years mcnab served in the g jkts.andys a pretty common name
>>By scouse (Sunday, 11 May 2003 02:06)
Pacemaker:
The FRU ambush in Twinbrook was in 1974. Capt. Niarac was a member of the FRU. I pointed out the Twinbrook incident to illustrate the Republican's distatse and knowledge of the unit's existence prior to Niarac even joining the unit. I said nothing at all about his disappearing in 1974. So you tear along with your "facts" bollocks..and this is the only so-called discrepency you can find? My word, you sound like a defense attourney in liberal California.
And right offhand, I can't think of any sick jokes in regards to Niarac's disappearance. Can you?
My last post was nothing more than to answer Buddy's question. And again; NO, it was not meant to offend at all. But given the graphic and tasteless nature of what happened to him, I felt it pertainant to point out that I didnt mean to tro sound crass, offhanded or cold about it.
Perhaps it would be in yopur best interest to learn to be a bit more diplomatic, Pacemaker
>>By Fenian Bastard (Sunday, 11 May 2003 07:52)
hi scouse
scottish parents born oxford must be man u
any way you taking the mick right
heres a good read for you
the drumbeat of jimmy sands :by murray davies
sorry mr mcnab your site and all but good read
>>By jaffagib5rgj (Sunday, 11 May 2003 08:53)
found liberation day @amazon.co.uk only £12.59+p&p
>>By jaffagib5rgj (Sunday, 11 May 2003 09:18)
Hi guys ! Not much time, just a qucik note to Billy about his scoop. How did you get military archives ? It's classified data, isn't it ? Are you in the Army yourself ?
>>By Alice (Sunday, 11 May 2003 10:33)
11/05/03 UK 09.51 GMT
What is going on around here? I turn my back, go walkabout, and suddenly F TRoop has acquired status of battalion, and not all on the same side it would seem!
I can vouch for Chamonixboarders and pacemaker, (not bulllshitting on military service) the rest of the newcomers I don't know, so welcome guys/girls. I see some of you have been well interrogated others let slip through, so I guess that means you have favourable immunity from the standard vetting procedures experienced at Allreaders.com before we moved and set up base here....
Fenian Bastard: still using a name that that does you no favours, I see!!!! Well, not on Andy Mcnab forum where members of the armed forces will drop by due to this site's URL hitting various unnofficial SAS home sites that have sprung up all over the internet.
Your ref to Capt R.Nairac: He apparantly was NOT SAS, but a member of the FRU (Force Research Unit) The FRU gained a rather nefarious reputation when they tried to carry-out a bogus laundry service known as Four Squares; their purpose was to gather forensic evidence from clothing. Pretty smart, huh? Anyway, that FRU unit was ambushed in the Juniper Park area of Twinbrook, in Belfast in 1974. It has been widely believed that this was an operation carried out by Bobby Sand's unit. But that is mere speculation.
It's the way you tell 'em that sends the information out to readers in ass-backwards format.
I won't go into detail about pacemaker, suffice to say he knew Robert as I did, so bear with us on defending the hero's honour of regimental service. He was all the press reported in respect of military/intelligence career. He genuinely cared about Ireland, so did I in that I have Irish blood coursing through my veins...
Billy three wigs: guess you got three mind-sets going on in side...Yeah, it's said by psychologists that most people who assume a false identity will do so by selecting same intitials as their real name...Not so with intelligence networks, and I think you are under estimating AM's street cred of working undercover!! Vanity and ego have a part to play in every thing he does, but when it comes to names he's clever enough to throw your average Police Detective savvy snooper off his tail...
Now to those who are playing a game of many names on this board. Remember: a good liar never answers his own question!!!!!!
Have you all read about the new software that detects when people are lying in their e-mails. Ironically the company name is SAS. Sounds a bit far-fetched, but it works impressively.
It's great for running board posts past to see who's lying through their teeth, and it sorts the fantasists and points out any perverts! It was primarily devised as a fraud-detection system for banks and phone companies, and picks up on elusive nuances such as tone. We all know patterns in people's language change when they are less than certain about how they present themselves and when someone tells porkies.
In the intelligence network one can almost predict long periods of eye contact when a victim of interrogation is trying to appear honestly innocent in everything said, followed by seconds of repeatedly glancing at one object/item in the room, more especially at the point where they know they are lying. That's the eye contact assessment, which can't be at remote distance, hence SAS software...quote the company blurb: SAS says its software can also be used to sift through texts such as CVs and job applications to match applicants' qualifications with job vacancies.
Mi li: trusting to free Internet translators can get you in to deep s**t if you rely on them for factual outcome. They merely translate individual words as in dictionary and will not differentiate between the many translatory factors of speech.
The medium you presented was not a fable, it is a true story of an orphan born to an underage girl.
Alice: shame on you forgetting that bit wrong....
Nice to be back, though I bet some of you wish I'd stayed away after reading about the SAS software. And like a few already know around here: I follow the ethos trust no one until you can see the white's of their eyes, and if they don't heed your warning to halt and identify themselves, well, tough, it's Them or You...
>>By buddy (Sunday, 11 May 2003 11:04)
Jeez,buddy,if you ever find you need a new career,you could always talk.
hey jaffa you can get a copy of liberation day on ebay for a fiver
>>By scouse (Sunday, 11 May 2003 14:08)
Buddy
I dunno how what I said gives an ass-backwards format. But, sorry!
The info I posted was based solely on research Ive done as well as interviews I have conducted over the last 13 years or so. Which is why I was quick to point out certain points were speculation because I could not aquire any corroborating evidence to prove some points to be yay or nay.
Also, apologies about my first p[oint in regards to Antoine Mac Giolla Bride's demise. Somone here pointed out I was confusing Andy McNab's narrative concerning the whole episode. A quick re-read and I saw that is indeed the case. Maybe Andy could sort of clear it up a little if Immediate Action goes into a reprint? Then again, I probably read way too much anyway.
And again, nothing I said was meant to be disrespectful towards Capt. Niarac. It's a shame that Gerry, Marty and the rest of the Provo gangstas won't simply come clean and give his family a bit of closure.
BTW, Buddy... is the SAS software on the open market or is it still mainly for top-notch security (ie governmental, big time corporations, etc)? I would like to check that out.
>>By Formerly Fenian Bastard (Sunday, 11 May 2003 15:34)
Su, May 11 (12:35pm) US
Aaaah, so glad to see you here, Buddy! And, as always, you are in fine form! Thank you for vouching for some of our newer arrivals (we've been a little edgy of late, as you discovered upon your return). When limited to only posted words, it can be very difficult to ID friend from foe. And while some are naturally or instinctively able to discern truth, as you know all too well, I always need all the assistance I can get, so do you have a phone number for that software company?
Welcome, Billy. Can't resist playing the name game -- are your initials really BTW by the way? Sorry, but I also go along with Alice, Buddy, and Scouse in doubting the results of your "research". IMHO, AM’s real name is Andy (regardless of Michael Asher saying otherwise), but Mason?--nah. That name puts me more in mind of canned goods or the Knights Templar, but then again, one is sealed up tight, while the other is a secret....hmm....vbg....
Welcome, jaffagib5rgj. While still in name game mode -- I see the rgi, would you care to elaborate a little? And regarding Liberation Day, I second Scouse's suggestion -- eBay is an excellent source for current and out-of-prints sold elsewhere at outrageous prices.
And Scouse, since I've been so bold as to ask jaffagib5rji about his name, would you share about "red" and "65th sas"? Sorry, but inquiring mind here...
Hello, the Poster Formerly Known as FB. Please do let us know your new name -- PFKFB is really a bit hard to pronounce (grin). Thank you for following up and graciously explaining some of your postings here. Welcome back.
Very Personal Note:
To All Posting Now and Any Lurking….
It’s quite apparent, I’m sure, that I am extremely interested in this message board. Over the last week, much to my chagrin, we've had a very bumpy time here but now much of the edginess seems to have subsided, and I am very grateful! Above all else, I enjoy sharing ideas and opinions, especially when the subject matter is AM/SAS related, so for me, the more here, the better. I know I’m guilty, however, of being too focused sometimes and taking too much too seriously which can be very off-putting. I sincerely apologize if any of my posts have offended or issued unwarranted challenges (too many questions in rapid fire). I understand now that questions I posed as defensive were actually taken as challenges, and for that I am sorry. I would never intentionally set about to personally offend or issue negative challenges. In future, as you read my posts, please know that my intention is always to open not close doors. Sometimes, too, when limited to only words, it's very hard to “hear” the speaker’s voice – to know what is said in jest vs. what is said in earnest. If in doubt, please default to jest with me, okay? This really is an excellent place to share ideas, and I would hate to waste any opportunities because of avoidable misunderstandings. With sincerest hopes of good fun and good friends, I remain…
>>By am-i-binned (Sunday, 11 May 2003 18:42)
hear hear A-I-B
.can everyone please get back to the original subject.IE Andy mcnab.to be honest i couldn't give a monkeys uncle if his name is andy or agatha (damn pop up's)oops sorry.
i also don't care if you are serving member of the sas or you work for Wal mart,as long as you come on this forum not to scaremonger people or generally piss about.i'm quite a newbie and was excited to find a site dedicated to the great man,but it seems the internet is still a haven for warped individuals,who seem to have to much time on their hands.
I was intrigued by what buddy said regarding the sas software,and i was wondering why a person would come on here and tell people such a thing exsisted,unless it was to scare people,and i'm sorry but i find that a bit sad.
A-I-B. RE your interest in 65th sas,that was just a bad joke,due to my sarcasic sense of humour.sorry.also my nickname is scouse and that means i come from a certain part of the uk,where a soccer team who play in a red kit,rule supreme.hope that clears things up matey.
>>By scouse (Sunday, 11 May 2003 19:30)
Still Sunday
In the 19th century the Rev C.H. Spurgeon said: "A lie can be halfway round the world before truth has got its boots on."
Now, in the 21st century "A lie can circumnavigate the globe several times over before the truth has opened one eye."
scouse: I take it you have *too* much time on your hands, right? Guess you understand what F Troop means, how and why it moved from Allreaders to Gnod....
About the SAS software. Haven't a clue where you get it, no idea about restrictive usage, it came inhouse, so to speak. Toy for the boys...
I've been around so long on this forum, scouse, I don't think anyone here would view my mention of any artificial intelligent software package as scary...
I wouldn't be surprised if it gets mentioned in a future AM book....
And, why so much obsession and desire to know who AM is? He's as good as told you all...The major clue lies in several accounts of his biographical details - find one you find the next...
Isn't it an absolute bugger when you're busting gut to put everyone out of their misery, but you can't because betrayal is a dirty word where I come from....
>>By buddy (Sunday, 11 May 2003 20:11)
Su, May 11 (1:30pm) US
Fanx, Scouse! Yepper, clear as mud!
Nah, jj (just joking) back! Like sarcastic btw. I'm culturally-impaired here in the US, but I'll do some homework now to get up to speed. Is "Scouse" a very common nickname generally? I know it appears frequently in many of the SAS books I have (ones you've read too). The 65th, however, is still going whoooosh right over my head...sorry.
Also, per you, I just got CQB for a song, guess where...
Re: software -- personally to me it's just neat info -- as to it being scary or threatening, that would be more in the eyes of the beholder I would think. For me, no probs, I am as I say, but come to think of it, it might actually help keep y'all from misunderstanding me! Yeah, hey Buddy, that phone number if you have it, pleeeeeez!
Re: subject matter -- aka: all things great and small....
Please don't go taking away the AM mystery name game, Scouse -- sometimes the best laughs are in the most inconsequential things. And my brain can only function at higher levels for limited amounts of time before sinking back into nonsense gibberish like reappearing t-shirts, retrieved Ducatis, and vanishing Blue Peter passages in AM's books. Hey, you don't happen to know who Valentin's nephews were, do you? vbg, vbw!
Geez, I could really use some coffee and biscuits now.... think Frampton's around?
>>By am-i-binned (Sunday, 11 May 2003 20:14)
Yep, still Su, May 11 (now 2:25pm) US
Ooops, criss-crossed my posting with yours, Buddy. Messed up the flow -- sorry!
Too bad you don't have a number, but I know your ear is always to the ground, so keep me in mind if you hear anything further, eh? Potentially an excellent tool, not only for the suspicious but even more so for the gullible like me, don't you think!
Re: "He's as good as told you all...The major clue lies in several accounts of his biographical details - find one you find the next..." And let us not forget the fun of his fictional details also -- and the resultant speculating on where AM leaves off and NS begins, eh?
Re: betrayal
Personal confidences aside, Buddy, (as we've discussed so many times before) the overall issue of betrayal in all its many forms and manifestations has to be the most core element to all things Andy McNab/Nick Stone! -- and an area of discussion of which I never, ever tire. Join me anybody?
>>By am-i-binned (Sunday, 11 May 2003 20:44)
Holland, May 11
Re: Alice, the article you mentioned is funny written, when I read last part I knew I had seen it before, it was nice reading again. The reply’s at the bottom of the articles were so eloquent too. I do wonder what “the SAS method of eating cornflakes” is, maybe some of our new posters can explain.
It’s nice to see you back Buddy, it’s such an irrisistible site
this is.. ;-)
And you can vouch for Chamo’s and Pacemaker, are they EVERYTHING they said they were?
The new software…ah, this site has its own, it’s called Buddy.
Jaffa gib 5rgi and Billy Three Wigs.
Why on earth was I called Lynn, when it could have been something as ingenious as these.
F Troop status of battalion – now we know what Am-I-Binned on a mission can achieve.
Bumpy or not, I know you loved every minute of it A-I-B. And I do promise you, very very very first question ever to be asked Andy if ever given the chance will be about Valentin’s nephew’s I swear! Second will be about his name because Buddy busting guts makes such a mess.
Scouse is that common that it’s in my dictionary – yes, looked it up. Buddy is never scary Scouse unless you’re scared of truths with boots on and open eyes and you’re at the wrong part of the globe just the moment it has circumnavigated enough.
And I have very little inspiration today so I leave it at this.
Take care y’all.
Lynn
>>By Lynn (Sunday, 11 May 2003 22:00)
I would like to feed that SAS software with the message "I can predict the output of the SAS software. This message will be classified as a lie." and see what the output is...
>>By mg (Sunday, 11 May 2003 23:56)
re scouse,A-I-B
scouse,a distinctive northern england twang,with a few sailor's thrown in,short for scouser,also a type of irish stew, is a pretty common NN, if your from my part of the world..beatles..john lennon ect ect.
I to have noticed scouse the nickname in plenty of SAS books,but it seem's they always get topped,so maybe i should change it.
>>By scouse (Monday, 12 May 2003 00:35)
More folks in fine form!
Lynn, you might think you have little inspiration, but I think you're just so accustomed to Buddy's breakfast of champions, you don't see it any more. And MG, nice meltdown!
Name game, Lynn -- Yeah, well, I mighta been Lynn but he was already taken, and 'sides I didn't like the tone he took with Nick. Kev was dead when I got there. Al -- too short a name, plus looks like A1, the steak sauce. Slack Pat -- nope, not slack enough. Euan, well, who knew? Coulda been Josh, but who'd take me seriously? Sarah, nah, no comparison! Metal Mickey -- not transmitting the right frequencies. Legs not long enough for Liv -- damn! Tom -- no bumfluff on face, no talent in PCs. No way Valentin, too many Ignatis might be watching. Democrat/Wasp -- either way, he has the same identity crisis as the Krays/James, but he also has problems with Coke cans. Frampton -- threatening kids? sick b*****d!, not a fan of his music either. George, geez, no way -- he really is the Ugly American. Aaron? I don't hug enough trees. Carrie? Nah, always images of Sissy in a ruined prom dress. Now, if Lotfi or Hubba Hubba had been around -- yeah! definitely mighta! But I've been a question now for so long .... why change? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
So, Scouse, don't know how you translate in Dutch, but you're a hearty meal as far as I can see (dictionary-wise)....enjoyed in Liverpool maybe?
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 12 May 2003 01:06)
Curses! Cross-posted again!!!! Either that or there's telepathic software out there that tells you in advance what I'm gonna post! TZ, TZ!
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 12 May 2003 01:08)
you got me A-I-B
>>By scouse (Monday, 12 May 2003 01:43)
Hello
A single and innocent question : who could tell me more about the "killing house" ? Maybe you, the killing machine, if you're still there ?
- Yes, want to study SAS - beginner -
And I want to point out that I don't doubt about what BTW says concerning Andy's real name. My question wasn't suspicious, it was only curiosity. AM real name... Who could prove it's the real one ? What would it change ? But investigations are generally more interesting than the result. You see what I mean ?
>>By Alice (Monday, 12 May 2003 02:23)
Su, May 11 (8:55pm) US
Hi, Alice.
The "killing house" might be a translation thingy since your copy of "Immediate Action" is in French. Per AM:
"The CQB (Close Quarter Battle) building or 'killing house' was constructed to enable us to train in hostage rescue and covert entry at any level -- anything from four-man assault group to a complete team with vehicles and helicopters. It was a single story building with a centre corridor and rooms leading off -- large rooms, small rooms, connected rooms -- with movable partitions and a whole range of furniture." (IA, Ch. 21)
And sorry for the presumption that you doubted too, Alice -- my bad. I'm in complete agreement with you, though -- the real enjoyment is in the pursuit! After all, what excuse would we have for hanging out here if all our questions were answered? vbg, vbw
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 12 May 2003 02:59)
Thanks, Am-i-binned, and no problem with your presumption. The lesson of today : never lend your favorite books, or it won't be your books anymore, here is a case in point !
Did SAS create this ? It's in most of the commando's trainings today...
Oh, I don't have enough words to say everything I want to. Yes, should study english instead of SAS...
>>By Alice (Monday, 12 May 2003 09:40)
anyone seen kev (kevin) on here? I missed him at our local book shop. sod coz were old drinking mates
>>By chiefbear (Monday, 12 May 2003 09:41)
Thanks Am-i-binned. Do you know if it's a SAS invention ? They seem quite proud of it... But it's in most of the commando's training now.
...and no problem with your presumptions.
>>By Alice (Monday, 12 May 2003 09:54)
Sorry for wasting place... Posted at the same time as you chiefbear. Punishment hat back, please. I can't live without anymore!
>>By Alice (Monday, 12 May 2003 10:04)
M, May 12 (4:45am) US
Hi, Alice --
No, I won't give you the hat -- I cross-posted more than you so it's mine, it's mine!
If I understand your question: Is the concept of a training building like the killing house unique to, created by, or invented by the SAS? -- maybe one of our "professionals" will help with a complete answer, but I'm guessing probably no. I think that the concept of training buildings is probably older than the SAS but that the SAS adapted the use of such training buildings to their own unique purposes by creating the CQB building. (whispered...that's why I just bought that book...me too want to learn...)
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 12 May 2003 10:46)
Holland, May 12
There’s a funny story about the killing house, while a group of VIP where enjoying a demonstration of a killing house action, one of the soldiers fell from great height out of a helicopter on the k.house roof, shocking all VIP’s. But the guy jumped up, dusted off his clothes and continued his job. SAS superpowers .. or…. ;-)
Name games, nice list Am-I-Binned.
I don’t have a nickname :-(
Suddenly I started wondering what I would be called in company where nicknames are common.
Identity crisis again. Should get some orange cake of perhaps start sniffing tulips.
Scouse, about red ruling supreme, wishful thinking? It are those other reds this year right?
Exactly how old are you Chiefbear, coz at certain age Kevin could be right in front of you and you wouldn’t know.
Guess F Troop is out of combat again – shame, I wasn´t tired yet.
Take care all,
Lynn
>>By Lynn (Monday, 12 May 2003 11:37)
Lynn,
Lynn had a nic -- Baldilocks -- a far cry from you though!
Oh, and here's the hat, there's the corner, for not being tired yet! (big grin, wink!)
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 12 May 2003 12:10)
key in *stakeknife* at Yahoo/other SEs
or got to: BBC news...look to right-hand small print list...
This will have serious ramifications for ex SAS/14th det who served in NI...
It matters not that one murdering set of terrorists are pleading for justice against those they hate - the British Army and English/Irish civilians once their number one target.
>>By buddy (Monday, 12 May 2003 12:14)
And I have to stay there till I´m tired???
>>By Lynn (Monday, 12 May 2003 13:58)
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