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No, actually jj, I'm really enjoying everyone who's come here now! And if current atmospheric conditions continue, I think we are in for some excellent, excellent sailing! Ooops, SBS board? Okay, okay, then... we are in for some excellent, excellent tabbing!
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 12 May 2003 14:37)
M, May 12 (9:45am) US
Re: ramifications for ex SAS/14th det who served in NI
Yes, Buddy, very, very disturbing indeed from all angles! Of these three articles I found per your ref, the third (cache/geocities) article from last year almost seems to me the worst -- again, the issue of sacrifices and betrayal of whom by whom for whom....
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/ulster/story.jsp?story=405427
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/ulster/story.jsp?story=405435
http://216.239.33.104/search?q=cache:rH7bfJiUZO0C:www.geocities.com/collusion2000_1999/
stakeknife.html+stakeknife&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
(to use link, remove hard return btwn "1999/" and "stakeknife")
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 12 May 2003 15:49)
Sorry to go back to the name bit etc. (this is my first visit!) But remember in Remote Control, Nick Stone took the name Nick Stephens? Explaining that under pressure it's easy to sign paperwork without hesitating if you keep the same initials? So BTW could be on to something, although my own resources inform me it is something much more boring and basic - SMITH - that's right, Andy Smith!!! The source is usually a good one (anyone spotted the huge SAS clue in my posting yet?) but even I find Andy Smith a bit strange. There was a Andy Mason on the Hereford electorial role in 1989, although the address is unobtainable as he was listed as 'other electorate' which is common practice for members of the regiment.
Make up your own minds
>>By Hoarwithy R D (Monday, 12 May 2003 17:18)
A site you guy's might be interested in looking at is www.dean-francis.co.uk
Apparently he's re-writing his first book and it'll be published soon. Looks pretty good though. I think he may be an 'undercover' undercover if you know what I mean???
Anyway, when's Andy's new book coming out?
>>By Ross R D (Monday, 12 May 2003 17:57)
hi hoarwithy rd
checking the hereford electoral role,now thats almost stalker like dedication :-)
Your right Nick S does say that in RM,but i think he say's it in every book after that too.
one slight critisism of AM's writing here (oops.hope i don't get barred).in every book he always try's to explain the eyes working at night malarkey,something to do with the cones or the irisis in your eyes taking time to adjust to the light,i was interested the first time he told me,but after 5 books,i tend to skip down the page.
>>By scouse (Monday, 12 May 2003 18:07)
or is it Ross rd..???
>>By scouse (Monday, 12 May 2003 18:08)
Hi.
his new book DW comes out in october of this year..so i'm told by A-I-B (frampton's mate)
to be honest i can't bloody wait.
3 books to keep you SASED up till DW is released ,are CQB by mike curtis,Shooting gallery by Gaz hunter,who was in charge of the B20 patrol in 91,and sabre squadron by cameron spence,all brilliant.
>>By scouse (Monday, 12 May 2003 18:15)
Bored s***less here,anyone fancy selection,cmon were all young and fit enough(well nearly)
>>By scouse (Monday, 12 May 2003 18:18)
Okay, Scouse, how's 'bout you get started and we'll meet you -- what say at Talybont, over near the firebreak? Anybody seen my sketch map?
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 12 May 2003 18:32)
hello boys/girls just to put minds at rest
jaffa after inceident hitching trailer to a pinkie seedless didnt fit
rgj not rgi is the royal green jackets
and think about this nick stone // eddie stone?? hero perhaps
>>By jaffagib5rgj (Monday, 12 May 2003 19:30)
Hi, R D -- Thanks for the DF recommend -- read thru sample, and, yeah, very interesting...very AM style! Maybe you should get a page started for him.
Scouse -- repetitive passages -- duh, that's why skimming was invented! (grin) Yeah, sometimes it does get old but, then again, not everyone reads AM in publication order so each book needs to be a standalone, too. Try the glass-half-full view: Geez, if I know all this stuff already, I must be really smart! (vbg, vbw!) Yep, optimistically delusional, that's me!
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 12 May 2003 19:30)
Well on second thought's,i get tired walking to bed,so maybe i'll just read IM again.
Funniest bit in IM,when AM first meets tiny in malaya,
Tiny: so what unit you from? AM:2.. Tiny: Great im 2 para myself...AM: no 2rj,i was a green jkt...Tiny: so what the f***inell are you doin here??.. AM:I don't know they just told me to come...
classic
>>By scouse (Monday, 12 May 2003 19:37)
Yes, sorry 'bout that, jaffagib5rgj -- I had some serious finger flubs going on with my i's and j's! Saw mistakes after I posted -- too late to fix! Sorry to impose, but could you translate your post for the UK-language impaired? (meaning me....) Fanx!
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 12 May 2003 19:38)
Scouse, this plays into Paul R's Mission Impossible of favorite one-liners! From IA memory lane:
When you're ready, get in there. Oh, good one--delegation of task.
Stomach gas vs. exploding teeth
We-don't-dance-together-in-the-Airborne.
"With all best wishes, George"
P for Plenty and the tree
Decompression chamber and drawing elephants
The pissed-off snake and ice cream truck
The leech
"Okey, dokey"
Good grief, grinning like an idjit now! Fanx, AM!
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 12 May 2003 19:45)
well everybody should we dedate the books written or should we keep working on weather andy mcnab was called bob or mary at birth .
few points on last light. nick stone skint potless sold house sold bike (how did he get it back from railway station with nobody seeing )what has happend to des res in st petersburge £3mill was it .
and all them plod waiting at hospital drinking coffee would they just walk away when the blast & hit went down.
>>By jaffagib5rgj (Monday, 12 May 2003 20:16)
19.41 England
Anyone read 'The Nemesis File the True Story of an SAS Execution Squad' by Paul Bruce? Looking at purchasing it and if anyone has read and has any inside info (especially those 'in the know') about whether its true or not.
And dont worry, i have bought and read all of AM's books so i am able and willing to contribute to any postings on that subject!!!
Also the converstation about AM's real name. Forgive my seeming niaivity (spellcheck please) but is it really an issue anymore. I know all about his obvious dealings in intelligence and undercover work and has probably many 'enemies' but surely all the other people who have 'come out' (no innuendo's there) have that risk aswell, or is every author working under a pseudonym (spellcheck again pls). I know (or do i?) what Chris Ryan looks like....is he not at risk?
Thanks for all your posts, one last question...are there a lot of injokes and anagrams on here or am i missing something, not bothered if they are, im new and dont expect to get it all, just wondered....keep it up (innuendo there definitly!!!)
Cpm
>>By cpm (Monday, 12 May 2003 20:52)
sorry jaffagib5rgj,
i know my last post maybe going angainst your last post,
apologies...
>>By cpm (Monday, 12 May 2003 20:53)
to cpm
apologies accepted but not needed
>>By jaffagib5rgjto (Monday, 12 May 2003 20:57)
Thanks Jaffa.
As an add on to my previous post - has anyone seen AM's video/DVD the 'Ultimate Warrior' ? Any good? Found through Amazon.
Sorry if im treading over old ground and these questions have been answered before!!!
Cheers....
>>By cpm (Monday, 12 May 2003 21:59)
Right chaps,
Age 44 UK 21.40 Mon
It's time you heard the god honest truth around here instead of myth.
McNAB, (pseudonym) who earned millions from his bestseller Bravo Two Zero, gets to vet similar books by Servicemen. McNab was, still is criticised by some of the men in his regiment after cashing in on his Gulf war experiences. He now sits on a Whitehall committee which decides whether such works breach national security. When the Ministry of Defence announced that it planned to put a legal gag on members of the SAS it emerged that none other than McNab would be the judge and jury. The revelation that McNab is involved in vetting books on the SAS has enraged his former colleagues, who are accusing him of being a "poacher turned gamekeeper".
James Rennie, who has also written about his experiences in the operations department of the SAS, said: "It's a bit rich to find Andy McNab sitting on the disclosure committee. It's pure notoriety that has allowed him to carve out this niche and now he's tipping off the MoD about people who might be thinking about writing books. Having benefited from that system himself, he is now warden of it."
It is said McNab thrives and exerts power from within his post and strongly denies any conflict of interest. "I was invited because I've sat on both sides of the fence," he said. "The biggest problem is national security. The system cannot cope with all the new books that are coming out. Ever since the success of Bravo Two Zero everybody in the regiment thinks they can write a book and become a millionaire overnight. But the fact that Bravo Two Zero sold a million and a half copies in Britain alone was a freak."
If some of his former colleagues had sat on the same committee, Bravo Two Zero would never have seen the light of day. The book, an account of a failed undercover operation led by McNab was highly embarrassing to the SAS, and is still a major bone of contention within the regiment.
"The patrol was a complete screw-up," said Rennie, (14th intelligence). "McNab didn't know about the weather; nor were the soldiers equipped with proper maps. And, most importantly, he didn't know that there were Iraqis in the same territory." Seemingly McNab failed to do his homework, and failed to check his equipment before departure, according to a proposed book, Soldier 5.
Meantime, McNab is confident that he still enjoys the camaraderie of his former regiment, seeming unaware that he is now regarded as a viper in the grass. "There have been all these stories about me getting into political arguments with the boys - it's a load of rubbish," he said. "One of my former colleagues is living in my house in Hereford." Well, that's one friend at least, but his books infuriated many and led to accusations that he betrayed the SAS brotherhood.
Now that he has established himself as a sucessful author, he seems to be in favour of beefing up the Official Secrets Act. He said, "If you are going to hit someone, you have to hit them hard. It doesn't stop people writing books - in principle I agree people should have the freedom to write about their experiences - but under the guidelines to protect national security." He further said, "Historically it has always been the preserve of officers to write their memoirs. No NCO had ever written a book. But now that our class system is opening up, anyone is capable of doing it."
Apparently McNab is shamefully unaware of memoirs, tales of daring, and wonderfully informative letters written by NCOs and men from the ranks as far back as the Napoleonic era. Many accounts of heroism from the Great War and World War II also found success at the cinemas when the British Film Industry was at its peak throughout the fifties and sixties.
It would seem McNab preaches "national security" which many of his ex colleagues refer to as "covering McNab's ass". The prevention of Soldier 5's publication, as written by Mike Coburn (pseudonym) is considered one of victimisation by McNab's ex colleagues. It has been leaked by Mike Coburn that MacNab would not come out of Soldier 5's publication smelling of roses!
>>By Chiefbear (Monday, 12 May 2003 22:40)
Hi.i know about the ultimate warrior,but have never seen it.there is also an Andy Mcnab game for the sony playstation 2,i think its called team sas,looks rather good,plenty of shittin in cling film and sitting in big wadi's..
>>By scouse (Monday, 12 May 2003 22:43)
re chiefbear
i am getting a bit sick of all this mcnab badgering.it seems every ex sas man under the sun is now writing their memoir's,and mcnab is getting the blame for it.
I mean cmon,do you really think the true sas are still harping on about what happend 12 years ago,i think they probably have more important things to be getting on with.the only people who are having a go at mcnab,are ex sas who are jealous of his success,its as simple as that.
>>By scouse (Monday, 12 May 2003 22:58)
No problems with going over old ground, cpm! This is new ground for you, and we're glad you're here -- so ask away!
Re: Ultimate Warrior
Unfortunately, I can't answer since it's only in PAL format which I can't play in US. :o(
Re: anagram confusion
Sorry. Ones I use are: vbg (very big grin), vbw (very big wink), nps (no problems), lol (laugh out loud), jj (just joking), sff (serious finger flubs), and drk (damn return key). If I find myself using any others, I'll spell out, okay?
Re: in-jokes
Sorry if personal ones slip in (we try not to) but there were only a very few of us here for quite a long time, so we know each other pretty well. Some jokes are from older posts on subjects we discussed ad infintum, some are recent (punishment hat!). If you don't get something, ask... we're gobby, we'll explain...
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 12 May 2003 22:58)
Hello, Chiefbear.
One quick question:
"It has been leaked by Mike Coburn that MacNab would not come out of Soldier 5's publication smelling of roses."
Do you think this is late-breaking news to anyone here?
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 12 May 2003 23:05)
Read what I posted. I have not said the regiment boys are jealous of his success. They are livid that he has a position of authority where he can dictate which books will be published. He is licking the asses of the very people who said he was expendable. He is a traitor to the men he served with.
>>By Chiefbear (Monday, 12 May 2003 23:56)
i'm gonna respond with a childish one here...bollocks
>>By scouse (Tuesday, 13 May 2003 00:09)
Hello again, Chiefbear.
Another question, if I may. This is a sincere question, not a challenge, because I do not know how this vetting system works:
Is Andy McNab a member of "a Whitehall committee" with a single vote, or is he a committee of one with absolute final say ("judge and jury")?
>>By am-i-binned (Tuesday, 13 May 2003 00:12)
It seems the mcnab hater's of this world have been looking for a site like this for a while.look whatever you may think of AM,your not going to sway the opinions of people on this forum,who love his work,fiction or non fiction and respect his service in the sas.ok he may have f****d up in the gulf,who really knows,but the fact is,he is now a damn fine writer.
Re lickin arses...who doesn't (not in the litterall sense of course)
>>By scouse (Tuesday, 13 May 2003 00:18)
Scouse, you make me grin! It's like you've been here all along!
>>By am-i-binned (Tuesday, 13 May 2003 00:21)
Germany, 13.05.03
Chiefbear's posting is very informative to me. I didn't know that AM was on this committee. It's ironical, especially as long as he writes himself. Yes, very insolent...
But I interpret this on a different way ; to me it's another proof of his talent / abilities / knowledge. And it's so exciting, can you imagine ? He became a kind of king of the world he was serving in. Wow. It can't be because of luck !
Scouse, I love your 'childish' direct langage. I'm learning new words with you, thanks ! (Indeed, why should I say "I'm not convinced of what you are saying" when I could only say "bollocks !" ?)
>>By Alice (Tuesday, 13 May 2003 01:38)
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