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Hello Paul W.
If you've been lurking with us for a while, you must have noticed the tone of this board. Your thoughts and opinions are welcome but please be respectful.
That said, I'd like to respond to your comment: "One thing that is a fact is that McNab's & Ryan's novels have done immense damage to the way the SAS can operate now. other people are so aware of how they work and this has become very evident in Iraq."
Before you place so much blame at the feet of "tell-all" ex-SAS authors, please consider the "blowback" factor resulting from specialized training of indigenous insurgents provided worldwide by both US and UK special forces, only to have that same training used against us later (an obvious example being Osama bin Laden). Our governments, therefore, in authorizing such training (even though legitimate at the time), are far more responsible for revealing inside secrets to future potential enemies. After all, they might be in "the good lads club" now but will that still be true a few years from now.
It seems unrealistic to blame these authors completely, considering that while much may be true and factual in their "tell-all" books, much is also missing, meaning that any wannabe terrorist would still only have limited knowledge at best whereas a duly trained subversive would have learned first-hand the exact skills needed to outwit and defeat his own teachers!
>>By am-i-binned (Tuesday, 6 May 2003 04:35)
M, May 5 (11:05pm) US
Welcome, Bleo and/or Phew --
Re: your post -- yes, I agree with you.
>>By am-i-binned (Tuesday, 6 May 2003 05:10)
Holland, May 6th
Re: Girls, go get a life
Mmm, last time I checked I wasn’t dead but the mirror could play tricks with me of course.
I’m afraid (well, not really) that I have to agree with Am-I-Binned, training foreign countries (money, money, money and politics) can (and will, and has) backfire on you. I very much doubt reading these SAS books makes terrorists or gives anyone enough knowledge to do damage. Also it seems to me that another source is much more used to obtain knowledge and used as means to spread ‘the word’….. Internet.
Anyone who really wants to, won’t need Andy’s, Chris’ or whom ever’ books.
Further more, SAS prides on their excellent (best of the world) training, train hard, fight easy. Do you really think by reading those books ‘ they’ can become as well-trained as you? Chin up, you’re still the best of the best I’d say.
And those books made ‘us girls’ aware of that, is there more you want??
Lynn
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 6 May 2003 10:12)
Germany, 06.05.03
And, Paul W, what about censorship ? McNab himself thought he would be much more censored...
>>By Alice (Tuesday, 6 May 2003 10:31)
Hallo Am-i-binned, you asked, quelles sont les nouvelles? The answer must be as a lady friend on our SAS forum said, quote~ to comprehend the history of a thing is to unlock the mysteries of its present, and more, to disclose the sagacity of its future. Fiction by any name can rise in the east and settle in the west. If cannily more truthful than real life action books of the same period, newspaper editors will value its content. ~Reckon she's right-n-all.
By the way Am-i-binned great nic. Aye, and no doubt an eye to Room 101 det.
You are stumbling not on mountains me old shiner but on small stones of notional ambiguity? We SAS men know the real truth about B20 and the world only has to log on to the internet to know the real truth. Mark's wife supported his efforts to publish Soldier 5 and when we got to hear Sue and the children were looking at bankruptcy we all rallied. Money will not compensate Mark for the betrayal of those who published lies and he who lied on the official SAS group leader report about Vince.
Mighty fine argument Am-i-binned, what you said. ~Before you place so much blame at the feet of "tell-all" ex-SAS authors, please consider the "blowback" factor resulting from specialized training of indigenous insurgents provided worldwide by both US and UK special forces, only to have that same training used against us later (an obvious example being Osama bin Laden). Our governments, therefore, in authorizing such training (even though legitimate at the time), are far more responsible for revealing inside secrets to future potential enemies. After all, they might be in "the good lads club" now but will that still be true a few years from now.~
Who is us later? You in Iraq last time round? You in Afghanistan? No course you were not you were here cheerleading Mcnab. We were not fighting Iraqis from Mcnab's war we were in there with Iraqi civilians who taunted with one liners from Mcnab's books. These guys can speak good English and know their way around the Internet. The Iraqis we met were accustomed to logging on to the internet same as you or me. Before we arrived in Iraq they had a civilised existence same as us. The difference between them and us they had a military regime in power and no way to vote back a political or sovereign state ruler. Osama bin Laden as your best example of trained by US or UK troops shows your ignorance in these matters. I will quote our lady guest friend here because I knew nothing about this until she revealed Osama bin Laden's background.
~Osama bin Laden studied military strategy at Oxford University as a hobby subject and graduated as a visionary with a civil engineering degree. His vast fortune was his secret weapon. His business ventures allowed free movement around the globe, his visionary intentions originally had far more to do with Muslim states set free from occupied forces, ie; Russians in Afghanistan, US in Gulf region long before Gulf War I. His intellect proved to be his greatest asset, his civil engineering degree his greatest weapon against a new imperialistic minded presidential candidate who had cheated and welched on a business deal with Osama, not to mention, robbed him of millions of dollars, and that was the catalyst to his participation in terrorist activities. Osama effectively knew exactly how to fell the Twin Towers, how to breach the walls of the Pentagon, how to get back at a corrupt Bush.~
take care now ladies and read Mcnab with more than a pinch of incertitude. Mcnab only ever looked after number one. He was the one who ran away when the odds were against him and his men. He was the leader who hid in a hole.
Hey Phew -Bleo.
Mcnab don't show his face in Hereford. He don't get invites to weddings or funerals no more. He talks a load of bollocks about that. Ryan got serious loads of flak after GWI. Mcnab lied to save his own head from getting a good bashing. Ryan hit back in the only way he could. He wrote The One That Got Away to tell every one what an asshole of a leader Mcnab really was. You think Mcnab is the greatest. Who do you think put the MoD on to Mark's book? It weren't Ryan.
Chamonixboarders Lynn and Alice stands for snow-boarders.
Forgive us if we're wrong, but orange cakes is them little iced topped tutti fruities you can see in windows in Amsterdam and Hamburg, eh? We gets to see fur coats and no knickers in Chamonix and Paris where English chics drink bubbly and hiccup in terribly terribly good English.
>>By Chamonixboarders (Tuesday, 6 May 2003 11:52)
We'll give Mcnab his due. He 's done a good job of brainwashing you women. You are like piranha on a feeding frenzy as soon as a man tells you Mcnab isn't all you think he is.
No reasoning with hysterical women.
>>By Chamonixboarders (Tuesday, 6 May 2003 12:06)
Tu, May 6 (7:00am) US
Chamonixboarders, Paul W, and "others"....
Why do you enter so angry? Surely, if you are truly SAS as you say, you must know the tremendous admiration and respect we have for all of you. Is it truly your intention to disillusion us so completely as to have us believe that this abusive behavior is the more accurate representation? Shouldn't battles be chosen more wisely?
If you want us to learn more, please direct us to "[y]our SAS forum" -- we have open minds here and do not like closed doors... invite us in, we will not be rude guests...
>>By am-i-binned (Tuesday, 6 May 2003 13:09)
I didn't read SAS authors except McNab, I've never been over there, so I can't debate on what happened or not. Anyway I'm not a fondamentalist and I think everyone here can bear critics.
You want to share with us your first-hand knowledge and experience, what seems intersting to me. Lynn and Am-i-binned have been friendly, and I'm really sorry whenever you found me agressive - that was not the case.
Why do you end your message with an insult ? You've been neither censored nor attacked whatever you've said, I don't know where you found a piranha. I just wanted to mention that getting it up or not and whores in Amsterdam and Hamburg are a bit off-topic.
Hope to see you soon.
>>By Alice (Tuesday, 6 May 2003 13:16)
Holland, May 6th
Welcome first to Phew/Bleo, overlooked that this morning.
Isn’t it wonderful we all have opportunity to discus things on an ordinary Tuesday.
I’ve read The One That G.A. too, didn’t like the tone (I think if you look back far enough you’ll find discussion about it on this board somewhere)
I heard then that there is a new edition published with a prologue from C.Ryan, some sort of apology about his writing, specially concerning Vince, but I haven’t read that, can’t tell you exactly what it says.
Chamonixboarders,
My French is of ‘allo allo’ level so forgive me if I don’t understand you all the way. It’s admirable helping Mark’s family and your defence of other colleagues too.
Truth though… who knows the truth unless it bites your nose off. (I don’t know if that’s a real expression but if you understand what I mean I’m happy enough) I can’t honestly say who’s right and who’s wrong and you can only give us your truth – WE will never know exactly what happened.
Remains the fact that we like Andy’s books, his style, his stories. Call it cheerleading if you like, I told you, you’d have a hard job changing our minds. You took the challenge, fair enough, but our tenacity, sticking to what we like may seem hysterical to you but is just as fair from my point of view.
I was never called a piranha before and I’m giving you all credit for loosing my virginity on that one ;-)
What I don’t understand is why you can’t just have a good laugh about us but seem so eager to convince us Andy is not what we think he is.
Forgive us for leaving Iraq and Afghanistan in your capable hands. Believe me, you wouldn’t even want me there.
And orange cakes? I’m from the country side – only know of eatable cakes. Come have a brew one day and I’ll treat you to one. Unequivocal – sorry.
Last but not least: like Am-I-Binned was saying: I absolutely respect you for the tough jobs you do and I have no intention of insulting you in any way.
Please treat us with the same courtesy even if we’re just ignorant and beyond reasoning in your eyes.
Thanks all the same for answering my question where you stand with Andy McNab, you’ve been very clear about that.
How about sharing some of your one-liners with us. Maybe you’ll find us cheerleading after you one of these days..!
No matter where you or I stand, keep up the good work lads and take care.
Lynn
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 6 May 2003 15:31)
hi everybody.my name is actually just Bleo,the phew was just a exhale from getting everything off my chest :-)
mr mcnab is one of the best and most popular writer's, in his genre out there at the moment.and i can see more of his books being made into film.Nick stone could be the next james bond,or a scruffier version anyway.i wonder who they have in mind to play him.
peace
THE BLEO.
>>By Bleo (Tuesday, 6 May 2003 18:00)
hi chaminoxboarders.i have just read your comments about mcnab,and i think its time for you to get your own book out.i think it will make a great read.and maybe finally the truth will come out.
cheers mate.
bleo
>>By Bleo (Tuesday, 6 May 2003 18:07)
Tu, May 6 (1:30pm) US
Chamonixboarders,
Allow me a moment to follow-up and clarify, please....
Re: Osama bin Laden example
.... (from some of my "internet reading/research" files)
During the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, US officials passed billions in funding and training to the mojahedin. The CIA, in particular while under the direction of William Casey - head of the agency during the Reagan administration - was the main manager of these operations. With the Russian withdrawal in 1989, the CIA "celebrated its victory with champagne".
The sophisticated methods taught to the mojahedin, and the thousands of tonnes of arms supplied to them by the US - and Britain - are now tormenting the west in the phenomenon known as "blowback", whereby a policy strategy rebounds on its own devisers. The sins of the father, it might well be said, are being heaped on the head of the son.
The whole issue of American "creation" of bin Laden in the Frankenstein's laboratory of Afghanistan during the 1980s is generally avoided by government sources.
The British military establishment colluded with the US in supporting the mojahedin, with SAS and Green Berets going into Afghanistan itself.
Much of the help given to the mojahedin was coordinated by an MI6 field officer in Islamabad. It was surely only a matter of time before some of this aid would find its way to the likes of bin Laden. Like the covert British and American teams, many of which received dollar-for-dollar funding from the Saudi royal family, he arrived in Afghanistan directly after the Soviet invasion in 1979. Delighted by his impeccable Saudi credentials, the CIA gave Osama free rein in Afghanistan, as did Pakistan's intelligence generals.
... it is claimed that the elite regiment actually trained Afghan fighters in remote locations in Scotland. In Afghanistan itself, the services of Keenie-Meenie Services were used. This was an offshoot of British security firm ..., mainly comprising ex-SAS members and former members of Rhodesian and South African special forces. It took its name from the Swahili word for the movement of a snake through grass. KMS later played a role in the Oliver North, Iran-Contra affair of 1987.
Re: "You in Iraq last time round? You in Afghanistan?"
No, not I -- I am not made of the right stuff to do as you are able to do. But does that mean I do not have the utmost respect, admiration, and appreciation of you? That I do not thank you? That I do not understand the tremendous sacrifices you all have made, continue to make for me and people like me? Have you considered that our appreciation may be even deeper, more heartfelt, as a result of our interest in Andy McNab and other such authors? It is an already-converted congregation to whom you preach when you tell us of dangers encountered in Iraq. Your lurking here must have only begun recently or you would know that so many, many of our postings centered on our fears and concerns for you rather than AM's books.
Why such aggression? Why do we anger you so? If you are truly SAS, you must know we would more than welcome you, your knowledge, input, insights. Please share your perspective and educate us. But maybe you could also explain how there is the glory and honor in verbally abusing "girls" (as you call us) simply because we admire someone, someone who has actually given us a greater appreciation of you....
>>By am-i-binned (Tuesday, 6 May 2003 19:38)
To Chamonixboarders and Paul W.
First, don't take what I'm gonna ask you as an attack. I'm here to learn and to have fun, not to bite anyone. I can be ironical but never scornful. And please be indulgent with my not terribly terribly good english.
I'd like you to tell me your mind about these points.
1/ NATO troops have more or less the same training. The basis are not secret at all. Some elements (explosive,...) require an accreditation (not sure it's the right word, but you understand) that almost any soldier can get if he wants to. Special troops are quite similar too... but the specificities of each one are secret. The details that McNab gives in his novels are either insignificant ( I mean without consequences) or available somewhere else. Nobody was waiting for him to discover investigations methods or close combat. McNab never reveals the specific methods of SAS. If he had done it, he would be in jail today. I don't think a government or an army would agree to let publish such informations just for love of literature.
2/ I know Chamonix, it's 4 houses, some dairy cows, and EMHM; military center for mountain troops. The last foreign guest they had was a gang of Norvegians, I think. SAS have nothing to do over there, so I guess you've been in Cham on holiday. But it's definitely not the kind of place where you can find a fur coat. In a shop ? On a girl's shoulders ? I've only seen coloured anoraks ! And, by the way, I didn't understand your allusion to knickers...
3/ How many are you ?
My uterus and I would be glad if you answer. Sincerely.
>>By Alice (Tuesday, 6 May 2003 22:46)
We are not angry Am-i-binned we are pissed off. You say you admire us because Mcnab made us known to you. We wish he hadn't. The MoD wish he hadn't The people of Hereford wish he hadn't. We all wish Mcnab had shut his big mouth like a man and left the regiment in silent pride. Ryan and the rest would have done the same. We all have a whinge over a beer now and then and laugh some about it after. What we do not do is whinge in public. The regiment had bucket loads of bad publicity thrown at it this last year, and still messrs Mcnab & Ryan exposed training methods and operational strategy to tabloid news papers. What a challenge to any half mad terrorist to have a go at our families. Hereford has seen its income plummit and businesses have folded in a city village which relied on our families living there. Before you throw back with weren't our families afraid of the IRA. Yes they were. Irish voices in a pub and supermarket could send a chill down the spine of the toughest of our men. We and the people of Hereford could hear that enemy tho. Hereford will not now hear a terrorist from Birmingham or Bradford or from other British Muslim Asian communities til it is too late. We thank god we are no longer there. Hereford tho is on the global map thanks to guess who?
You are convinced Mcnab in no way has contributed to insecurity in the regiment. You bring up in defense of his honour facts to show the Mujahedin were trained by the regiment, but do you know why KC quit the regiment before he could set up a squad of mercenary instructors to train the Mujahedin guerrillas? This he did here in the UK. That much is true. Do you know how much a mercenary leader can profit from government sponsorship? KC did not however train Osama bin Laden. Osama it was said did a good impersonation of a general. Do you know how much immunity can be bought with government trade-offs if you do a job no one else would want like vetting text sent to publishers by ex SAS men?
We are not here to convince you one way or another to like or not like Mcnab. We do want people to look at why some people end up with guns to their heads for no other reason than that of helping others. We understood a lady friend of ours posted here. Alas no longer.
Alice you been to Chamonix lately, seen them big hotels and restaurants they built behind the 4 chalets or was you talking about that abandoned border check point hut? Do you prefer apre ski on piste, or off-piste?
>>By Chamonixboarders (Wednesday, 7 May 2003 01:34)
W, May 7 (12:45am) US
Chamonixboarders,
Is it any wonder that I do not fully understand your comments when, in the US, "angry" and "pissed off" are one and the same? Much of what you say I do understand and I can see validity in your points. Do not, however, presume that you know what I will think or what my responses will be -- you do not! I want to ask you about the comments I do not understand but, at this point, to do so in this public forum is inappropriate. There is an email box specifically set up for offboarding (email4gnod@aol.com). If you are willing, email me there. If you are not, may we please at least agree upon a truce and resolve to remain unresolved?
You quoted a lady friend from your SAS forum and now you seek a lady friend who posts here (I believe the same person). I must ask: if this lady friend is indeed our own fellow poster and our friend, would you be speaking to her as you are to us? Would you be as argumentative? Surely, you will agree you've been treated with respect since you've arrived here; can you not show us the same courtesy?
>>By am-i-binned (Wednesday, 7 May 2003 06:52)
Holland, May 7th
Unlike you, Chamonixboarders and your colleagues, we found pleasure in reading SAS books, and for us Andy McNab is the best writer of those books.
We are very lucky to have only that result from reading them, just pleasure.
What’s obviously damage control for you is looking out for another Nick Stone novel to us.
Though being called unreasonable I do get your point. We have talked about it before but it’s something else when the message is brought by insiders. And even though you don’t want us to, we do have respect for what you do. I’m sorry things we really enjoy is giving you all such a hard time.
You can’t stop the world from turning though and it will always be night on one half and daytime on the other half.
I do wish for you to stay safe, in night time too. Cheers and thanks for sharing your views.
Lynn
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 7 May 2003 09:19)
Excuse us ma'am |Am-i-binned| you said ~But maybe you could also explain how there is the glory and honor in verbally abusing "girls" (as you call us) simply because we admire someone, someone who has actually given us a greater appreciation of you....~
We didn't get telling you nowt about what you was thinking about Mcnab nor us. It were you who told us what you was thinking. We agree we dropped into this LITTLE pool of wisdom and said don't believe every thing Mcnab writes down. You had a problem with that. And all of a sudden you women leaped on us with right unfriendly hints and accusations. Now you figure questions got to be answered to prove to you who we are. We know who we are. We don't know any of you. And you ought to know if you read Mcnab we won't oblige you. Messrs Chamonixboarders decline Am-i-binned's invitation to private chat.
After all is said and done we weren't expecting female camp followers of Mcnab's to pelt us with hostile venom jus because we say it how it is for us left in his slipstream. Can we get to Mcnab's ass wipes now and clean up all this crap you've laid on us? Tho we got a gut stink this board is persona non grata for the reg.
Thanks a lot Lynn. You have no idea how much we appreciate a kind thought.
>>By Chamonixboarders (Wednesday, 7 May 2003 11:03)
Germany, 07.05.03 13:55
Chamonixboarders
Why is it so hard to discuss with you ? We can't always have the same ideas so we talk together to express our opinions - that's what is called a discussion, right ? Stop thinking we attack you all along. The plenty of messages that your posts have caused should have flattered you and proved our interest in what you have to say. We don't always agree with you, but that doesn't reduce the compliments that have been addressed to you.
It seems you enjoy arousing so much respect and admiration, and answering with contempt. Especially with a feminine audience (I should say female, but you know what it means in french - won't insult myself, you do it so well). Generally there are men on the board, don't know where they're all gone. Would you treat them the same ? Or is it only to our "overexcited-girls'gang" ?
I don't understand what you're expecting from us.
I have no problem with "reading McNab with more than a pinch of incertitude", I don't trust anyone when it's about military stuff. Everyone's lying, voluntarily or not... But we've already talked about that on the board. Moreover I've never thought I could be a judge in this kind of debate.
If it can relieve your pain I ain't got a statue of McNab in my living-room. But don't expect me to burn his books. I enjoy his qualities as a novelist, that's all. (Never been waiting for him to have my own sexual life, or anything like that.)
You want to know who we are ? Just contact Am-i-binned off board. I won't tell you once more you're welcome.
But after the tender words you addressed us you'll understand if we're a bit distrustful. In spite of the fascination you inspire.
>>By Alice (Wednesday, 7 May 2003 13:51)
PS, re: off/on piste: I'm a seaside girl, never enjoyed snow. Anyway I hate anoraks. Mountain life is definitely not for me. Maybe later, if I can afford a fur coat...
>>By Alice (Wednesday, 7 May 2003 14:02)
Interesting Alice, what you say about no men a round.
#Generally there are men on the board, don't know where they're all gone. Would you treat them the same ? #
Haa, haa. ever asked yourself why there are no men left here?
Take a look at the way you treat them starting at page one.
>>By Paul W (Wednesday, 7 May 2003 14:27)
I think you mean at the first page you've been... I had a doubt, now I'm sure of it :you don't have the right equipment to understand humour. This joke on men has nothing in common with the way you treat women. If I thought men and dogs were the same, I wouldn't waste my time speaking to you.
Reassured ?
>>By Alice (Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:57)
W, May 7 (10:00am) US
Hallo All...
Found this interesting article this morning, so in my usual "sharing" mode, thought I'd post (even tho' it is more US than UK SF):
http://www.mindanaotimes.com.ph/news/column.php?id=1750
And then for today's entertainment, from my little file of chuckles:
Excerpts from British Officer Fitness Reports:
His men would follow him anywhere, but only out of curiosity.
I would not breed from this officer.
This officer is really not so much of a has-been, but more of a definitely won't-be.
When he opens his mouth, it seems that this is only to change
whichever foot was previously in there.
He has carried out each and every one of his duties to his entire satisfaction.
He would be out of his depth in a car parked in a puddle.
Technically sound, but socially impossible.
This officer reminds me very much of a gyroscope always spinning around at a frantic pace, but not really going anywhere.
This young man has delusions of adequacy.
When he joined my ship, this officer was something of a granny;
since then he has aged considerably.
Since my last report, he has reached rock bottom and has started to dig.
He sets low personal standards and then consistently fails to achieve them.
He has the wisdom of youth and the energy of old age.
This officer should go far, and the sooner he starts, the better.
In my opinion, this pilot should not be authorized to fly below 250 feet.
The only ship I would recommend this man for is citizenship.
Works well when under constant supervision and cornered like a rat in a trap.
..... and then this one -- not only an MI answer (from F) but also a little TZ PR homage, if you will -- VBG, VBW! **.....
This man is depriving a village somewhere of an idiot.
** translation available offboard...
>>By am-i-binned (Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:14)
Still Holland, still May 7th
Imagine if these remarks would be about one and the same person...
Paul W. (let’s not forget the ‘W’ with all the Paul’s visiting our board – whether staying or not)
One serious question: How can you tell who’s a girl here and who’s a guy, who has the balls and who has not, since it doesn't need to be the obvious…
Good point on humour Alice but I’m disappointed you not having a statue of McNab.
You’re not living up to male expectations, punishment hat for you. (only because I was wearing it myself – glad to hand it over)
Lynn
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:40)
chaminox,you say that mcnab should have shut his gob,but most of the world had already seen what the sas can and will do after the embassy siege.even before B20 came out, there was endless analysis,documentries on television and books written about hereford and the regiment.how you can blame mcnab for bringing the sas into the open is beyond me.if anything else,he is going to inspire people to join up.i for one read immediate action,and felt like driving up to brecon beacons myself.in fact one of my mates tried and failed,but he didn't try just because mcnab made it sound all romantic,he was inspired by the loyalty,discipline and bravery he portrayed.
its obvious mcnab is an intelligent guy,so good luck to him,i bet half of the regiment past and present wish they had the balls to do it themselves.also if you are truly in the sas,why are you on a andy mcnab disscusion forum,shouldnt you be training :-)
>>By Scouse (Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:22)
By the way i found this forum while searching for andy's new book,anyone know when its due out.
cheers.
>>By scouse (Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:24)
There are three RSM's sitting in a pub after an exercise debating who's troops are the bravest. They decide to meet the next day on the parade ground with there best soldier and see who's the best.
When they turn up the American RSM starts by telling them he found a way to prove it, he tells his soldier to climb a 30 foot U.S. flag pole jump off saluting singing the national anthem. The soldier then does exactly as he is told. He brakes both his arms. There says the American that's bravery.
The German RSM say's that rubbish and gets his soldier to climb a specially erected 35 foot German flag pole and jump off and salute while singing the national anthem. This the soldier does and breaks both his arms and one of his legs. There says the German that's bravery.
Rubbish says the British RSM, he then turns to his soldier and says I want you to climb that 40 foot flag pole over there, jump off and salute while singing the national anthem.
The soldier turns back to him and say's Fuck off. the RSM turns back to the others and say's, now that gentlemen is bravery.
Hey Scouser. If your mate done the biz and failed he knows what CaDC means, yeh?
>>By Chamonixboarders (Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:33)
Scouser we just got back from the Gulf. You know where that is?
Know what an SAS sheep shagger is?
>>By Chamonixboarders (Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:38)
Hi.ill ask him what caDC means,but i doubt he'll tell me,surely you know yourself that selection is not to be discussed outside of stirling lines.anyway he went off his cake when he failed.he lives in a bedsit on his own now.
I know the gulf well ,its a boozer by my house,its full of sad, past,present,and future sas men,with no dosh.
Cmon chammy if you are truly a regiment boy,tell us a few secrets ,or are you one of these imposter's who browse cyber world discussions looking for someone to listen to you.
>>By scouse (Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:04)
W, May 5 (11:55am) US
Welcome, Scouse!
Very glad you found us. Thanks for the insights and the good chuckle, too! Since you are newly arrived here, I offer this caution: At the moment, we are not all as we purport to be -- we regulars do believe in being honest, respectful and real, and we would be very pleased to have you plan on staying.
You're asking about Dark Winter. If this book follows the usual publishing pattern, it should be out in the UK by the beginning of October 2003. Are you aware of the plot line? And what it's based upon? If you are not, we can post that info for you. I'm assuming if you're looking for his next book that you've read all his previous, yes? Inquiring minds want to know....
>>By am-i-binned (Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:07)
Hi am i binned (no get up you nugget and don't f**k up..).great name.to be honest i am gagging for another episode of mr stone,having gone as far as reading firewall for the third time, at the weekend.
Any info on DW would be great,especially as i got the impression liberation day was the last installment.
cheers.
>>By scouse (Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:26)
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