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Are you refering to PTSD again? Why do I ask? I just read an AP story concerning these maters with the soilders that will be returning home from Iraq. Let me know.
My father still thrashes in his sleep. My mother says the words that he yells are of extreme violence as if he were currently in battle.
Thanks
>>By DTO (Monday, 21 Apr 2003 01:45)
DTO: no I don't want to reinstate discussion of PSTD related suicides/attacks...
I would surely be fired upon from all directions for deviating from AM and his books, and will probably get a few shots across bows for writing the following! However, I'll stand my ground on most of it being related to AM if nothing more than to educate (those who don't know) why he ended up working undercover in Northern Ireland. His books portray a mere fraction of what IRA versus SAS/14th Intelligence et al, stems from...
Meantime, I sincerely feel for your father/mother in light of nightmares/flashbacks and disturbing influence upon the victim and those they love...I've had first-hand experience of a husband in cold-sweat nightmares, and worse!!!
In the last post I was referring to a situation of unrest reverberating throughout the covert world of British intelligence/British security forces alike. It is all due to a civil investigation of suspected collusion between members of the British security force elite, Northern Ireland's police force/defense regiment, and loyalist para-military'. Meaning, much of what AM has written (not) in respect of his time in NI, is at present under intense scrutiny! Prison sentences for ex/serving soldiers (undercover operatives/under orders) looks more and more probable, hence my comment of guns to heads in the wake of this particular enquiry. Meantime, ex IRA terrorists are free to roam the steets and take up parliamentary seats...What a joke! How would US troops feel if they found themselves suddenly accountable for having colluded with one set of indigenous peoples against those who were colluding with the enemy, as they did in Vietnam...If Andy McNab's identity and other undercover operatives were suddenly made public property, any ex IRA/sympathiser/other enemy, would be able to locate him, and what then? I'm talking reality, not fiction!!!!!!
It would take too long to explain the unique concept of a longstanding love-hate relationship between the Irish & English, but it stems from before Queen Elizabeth I's reign and the infamous Earl of Essex.. But, of all foreigners to the English/Welsh/Scottish mainland the Irish have always had free passage without restiction, free to work and live in the UK...This very same unique existence afforded easy access of IRA terrorists to mainland Britain. As shocking as 9/11 was with mass deaths in one fell swoop of evil, the IRA have killed and maimed many more British soldiers and civilians in terrorist bomb attacks than died or were injured on 9/11 - the IRA also, for years, inflicted terror on the streets of Belfast, at the same time Irish/American's ploughed funds into NORAID in support of the IRA cause. To read a brief history of Northern Ireland go to:
http://www.historyworld.net/news/Snip3.asp
>>By buddy (Monday, 21 Apr 2003 16:06)
Buddy:
Thank you for your insight, no arrows fired from here .You have touched a soft spot here with me. Not always agreeing with some of your post these are of great education to hear what you say. Thanks.
It sounds as if you were close to the situtation in Ireland, and still have deep emotions about it.
I hope the posting can continue. My theory is AM related subects could spawn all types of related discussion. Narrowing to one subect will certainly shorten a life span. This has really been educational for me. Even though I have been a hothead at times.
USA 09:52 4-21-03
>>By DTO (Monday, 21 Apr 2003 16:52)
DTO: I don't expect and wouldn't want for every one here to agree with everything I post...
I hope I pose more questions than are ever answered, and that others will be drawn to voice their opinions, maybe even provide answers, or at least theorise what might or could be!!
Fiction is fun, but it becomes even more fun when background issues merely touched upon are available to give credence to the author's knowledge of that subject matter...
I too am on a continual learning curve, mainly that of how other people view world events...
>>By buddy (Monday, 21 Apr 2003 17:58)
Holland, April 22nd
Echo, couple of questions, why are you just interested in ´the following´ and with following do you mean after B20?
And comparing Im.Action with F.Nicholson´s book - do you feel it´s both ´gossip´??
After just lurking, why join us now on board? What would you like to know - what would you like to tell us?
Lynn (Tuesday, 22 Apr 2003 11:42)
22/04/03 18.46 GMT UK
Lynn: you should have picked a high point, preferably mountainous and called: Echo (((((echo)))) (((echo))) ((echo))
Could be wrong, but his interpretation of *following* might well be *devotees* of AM...
>>By buddy (Tuesday, 22 Apr 2003 19:46)
030422 2132 GMT
Lynn: Without having read IM or Married to the SAS, I am not in a position to categorize it as "gossipy" or not. I remember back a few years when an officer questioned my choice of a book I was reading- he said it was BS (happened to be a Marcinko book- go break out your dictionary buddy...), my reply back to him was "well Sir, its good reading BS!"- my point being its all subjective to the reader and his/her familiarity with the topic.
Regarding "following","devotees","groupies" or "faithful" or however you want to classify it, I like understanding what drives people to do what they do when it comes to elevating others to an icon status- especially anything related to the intelligence community.
Talk to you later Lynn.
>>By Echo 5 (Tuesday, 22 Apr 2003 23:32)
Echo 5:
Could be a tad more succint!! = (happened to be a Marcinko book- go break out your dictionary buddy...),
If I am to go stand in the corner for corrective practise, could teacher please explain the why factor?
Your comment/pitch on icon status: = one word: *adoration* hence devotee...
That doesn't apply in my case with regards AM - I've lived (SAS) and worked intelligence...
There's one major difference between that of AM and other SAS writers...He has a history before the military, yet not, and that endears him to the mother instinct in women...I can't speak for the male followers, I guess it's to do with AM putting two fingers up to his immediate superiors in B20, despite his being recognised as a valuable asset at a later date!! He felt shat on and betrayed and said so - rightly or wrongly - and there are those who believe he betrayed the regiment...That argument I fully understand, my first husband would have agreed with the latter!!
I'm as interested as you in what makes *followers* of the SAS *tick*...Why one SAS writer more than another?...From my perspective Nick Stone is AM's key to the treasure chest...One character and his adventures = serialised success, as were the old comic characters such as Biggles and the infamous Raffles, etc...Loveable rogues!!!!!!!
>>By buddy (Wednesday, 23 Apr 2003 09:54)
Holland, April 24th
Echo ->
Re: Without having read IM or Married to the SAS
Fair enough, you’re the kind of guy who won’t judge before you know all the facts.
Re: “well Sir, its good reading BS”
Be careful Echo, if you start to add humour to your postings, you might just fit in!
About the following.. mmmm. Specially ‘groupie’ sounds very desperate. But then, it’s only ‘ie’ further than ‘group’, right ? ;-)
Re: there's no guarantee…
Ah well, that’s life right – one big no-guarantee..
(I can guarantee though I had toooo many chocolate Easter eggs.. pffff)
For the rest you’re a tough one to crack, you’re not giving me much info to go on.
I still don’t know what’s your reason for joining us.. just interested? Might just as well continue to lurk. I’m not trying to drive you away – not at all !!! I just like to get some more info. But I can’t special force you (ok, lame one) so I’ll wait till you’re willing to fill us in.
Could you tell at least why you’ve ‘vested interest’ in McNab? Are you interested in Chris Ryan too? Or the other SF writers?
Must say I’m very curious about “It was passed on..” By whom??
Buddy ->
Re: Lynn: you should have picked a high point
I did, nothing happened. Except for being arrested for climbing the Euromast – not many mountains in Holland. (good thing I saved that public key – out in no time – and at least it served sóme purpose)
DTO ->
Re: Even though I have been a hothead at times
Oh, we all have our minuses.. you seem to be doing fine at the moment - keep it up!!
Echo (resonance - sorry sorry really really last joke about name) ->
Re: when it comes to elevating others to an icon status
Well, I am reading Married to the SAS at the moment – thanks to Am-I-Binned – you wanna bet I’ll find he’s only human??? - human husband, human father, human human (and of course terrific human writer..) And guess what – still like the guy. Would that make me ‘love-blind’ or simply realistic? (don’t answer that one please -hahaha)
Again more questions, more questions .. if only I got some answers.. ;-)
Take care! Lynn
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 23 Apr 2003 18:33)
Lynn: getting answers...
Maybe an overnight stay at Baskerville Hall might conjure some clues!!! The place inspired Conan Doyle...Beautiful private house in his day, now a hotel, and last time I looked over it, one could say it was seriously in need of cash influx and TLC...
>>By buddy (Wednesday, 23 Apr 2003 21:21)
I doubt if I get some answers there, but maybe you will ;-)
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 23 Apr 2003 21:52)
The hotel caters for outdoor enthusiasts, and it's only a stones throw from the Andy McNab trail, and yards from the River Wye....
>>By buddy (Wednesday, 23 Apr 2003 23:22)
Thanks for the encourgement Lynn. As most know I recieved B20 recently, and am quite satisfied 200+ pages into it. Moving vary rapidly now, and hope to finsh Fri. or Sat. Formulating lots of question, comments for the experts here. What a beating he took. I certainly would have been a goner after the first rifle but to the head. I also like the English dialect. For the seriousness of the book he sure has some great lines.
>>By DTO (Thursday, 24 Apr 2003 00:00)
030424 2344 GMT
Good evening Lynn.
The site was passed on to me by MX who made a brief appearance last week of which his posts were moved to the archive. The majority of my brain power over the last 24 hours has been directed at getting more information as to why some Muslims do not touch dogs. Off topic I know- but very interesting. Then I come to find out that there are other Muslim groups that do not eat catfish as part of their religious culture. Its the little details and facts in life that make it all worthwhile. Sorry for the rambling.
>>By Echo 5 (Friday, 25 Apr 2003 01:43)
Pork, dog, catfish...
Both the Jewish & Muslim religions have similar ethics on dog, catfish, and pork: all meat subject to ritual kill! How strange then, that the oldest and newest world religions should be so closely allied in their religious culture and righteousness, and both from the same region.
Judaism: dates from c 2000BC - based on the covenant between God and Abraham, and the renewal covenant c 1200 BC. Beliefs: Creation, Adam & Eve, the tablets and Moses the prophet The Torah comprises the first five books of the Bible also known as the Pentateuch.
Christianity: early 1st century, comprises teachings of Jesus: God the Father, and the doctrine of the Trinity: union of three persons, Father, Son, & Holy Spirit: Godhead. New Testament.
Islam, 7th century: Creed declares, no God but Allah, and Muhammad is the Prophet. Beliefs include Creation, Fall of Adam, Angels and the oJinn, Heaven and Hell, Day of Judgement, God's Predestination of good and evil. Koran (Quran) divided into 114 surus or chapters.
I'm one of the heathens who believes the above are great stories in their own right, are a wonderful means of controlling the masses and a fantastic system for instilling fear with religious laws and rites, but I ain't met God wearing a space hat yet so I'll keep following the theory of evolution. Mother earth is precious, every living thing has its place, and man just keeps on proving he's unworthy of this planet. If God existed (any name you want to give him) don't you think he would have wiped us out by now ?
>>By bucksfizz (Saturday, 26 Apr 2003 01:44)
Holland, April 26th
Swedish Reader pointed out that there would be an interview the 25th on an American radio show,
She just told me that it was taped and be broadcasted later this week.
I hope she doesn’t mind me telling this, but maybe if she has any more news she’ll come and tell us herself..
I am reading Married to the SAS at the moment, with great scepticism I must say. It’s interesting to see how the stories of Frances and Andy differ at some points – truth as always will be somewhere in the middle. One thing they both agree on is that he really adores his daughter. Sweet.
How’s B20 going DTO?
One funny thing about Liberation Day (at least I thought it was funny, like it amazed me) Nick saying that postcards are a really good source of information… my god, that means I’ve got a wealth of information, right here in my own home, bringing postcards home from every trip. Care to check it out Nick?? Hahaha
Take care,
Lynn
>>By Lynn (Saturday, 26 Apr 2003 12:44)
Sa, Apr 26 (4:50pm) US
Hallo All...
As a tangent to your comment, Lynn, regarding Liberation Day, I would like pose three questions. The second and third will obviously depend on your responses to the first.
I would like to be able to discuss specific passages, details, aspects of all of AM's stories, both his bios and fiction. Yet, to do so presents problems for those who have not yet read all of his works. I know from reading various newsgroup threads, "Spoiler Warnings" are a very big deal and get a lot of folks really upset if not spelled out in advance. In newsgroup postings it works like an email, you can put in loads of returns so that the reader has to scroll down to read -- effectively hiding what you're going to say. We have a very different situation here, however, since our entire posted message is visible all at once.
So, first question: Would anyone else be interested in discussing AM's books, going into specific details -- plot, characters, incidents, climax, outcome, etc.?
Two: If yes, shall we post here onboard? (Alternative would be offboarding but offboarding radically limits discussions to those who've agreed to exchange email addresses.)
Three: If we agree to discuss onboard, will it be adequate to state:
-- SPOILER WARNING --
at the beginning of any messages which have the potential to give away plot lines?
Please post your opinions and/or suggestions.... fanx!
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 26 Apr 2003 23:13)
Am-I-Binned:
Admirably sensible idea...
-- SPOILER WARNING --
Keep up the good work, Cap'n...I'm all for the climax bit!!! (you said it)
Do we hoist the Stars & Stripes or the German Flag on the admiral's barge...
Gee, we'll have to whistle you aboard, now.
Devonwren at your service...
>>By buddy (Sunday, 27 Apr 2003 09:50)
Su, Apr 27 (4:50am) US
Ooops! Am I supposed to reply, "Ahoy there, Matey"?
You make me grin, Buddy! But I think you've jumped the gun this time on your assumptions. This particular sailing is strictly solo -- R&R's over, I'm resuming my mission! Joint tasks will definitely follow but are still in the 7P's phase. To quote from B20: Proper Planning and Preparation Prevent Piss Poor Performance.
Will ask again to be sure I'm reading your signals, Devonwren, ol' mate -- does your reply confirm that you're okay with discussions taking an in-depth turn and carrying an advance "Spoilers Warning"?
>>By am-i-binned (Sunday, 27 Apr 2003 10:58)
Holland, April 27th
I'm all for it Am-I-Binned (think you knew already -wink wink- so this is my formal answer on board).
Spoiler warning sounds good to me.
Besides, this will give me a perfect excuse to HAVE to buy Dark Winter in English when it's published, just in case I look over the warning ;-)
Glad your back No-longer-Binned !!
Lynn
>>By Lynn (Sunday, 27 Apr 2003 12:04)
Yes, Sir...
quote: Proper Planning and Preparation Prevent Piss Poor Performance.
...under my breath ((((((famous last words)))))))
Repeat: I'm okay with discussions taking an in-depth turn and carrying an advance "Spoilers Warning"?
Solo Sailing sounds somewhat unfriendly, but I guess every one here will race you to the marker bouys and try and tack a favourable wind... (Sunday, 27 Apr 2003 12:17)
Sounds Buddy above..
For something completely different: I saw The Recruit last night (Al Pacino - Colin Farrell ) anyone seen that?
When the movie s tarted I thought, mmm Farrell would make a tasty Nick, then his girlfriend appeared (Bridget Moynahan) and I thought mmm that would be a nice Sarah (even spoke Farsi) and then the story ... definitely some tangent planes with CF.
Lynn
>>By Lynn (Sunday, 27 Apr 2003 12:52)
Su, Apr 25 (6:50am) US
Oh brother, are we nautical or what!
Yes, Lynn, you were my compass. Geez, though, mentioning Dark Winter, I have visions of Amazon.uk getting all excited at the idea of advanced sales!
Definitely did NOT mean solo sailing as unfriendly, Buddy, only meant solo embarking (solo idea), a new tack as it were, to bring us back on course. But that's as far as the solo goes -- I am most definitely seeking the friendly companionship of this crew of fine mates...
Glad to have you both onboard! Looking forward to much fine sailing!
Actually though, I think I may, uh-oh, yep, for sure I am, I'm starting to get a little sea-sick with all these nautical (or is that naughtycal) posts....
>>By am-i-binned (Sunday, 27 Apr 2003 13:07)
Su, Apr 27 (7:20am) US
Hoi, Lynn!
Did not see The Recruit, but there's another movie out here in US right now with Colin Farrell (comedy, don't remember name right now) that I've been meaning to mention but kept forgetting. You'd suggested Colin Farrell before (from Pride & Prejudice) but I didn't really recognize the name/face, but when I saw in the current movie promos I immediately agreed! Yes, I think he'd be a very good choice for Nick!
>>By am-i-binned (Sunday, 27 Apr 2003 13:31)
Ooooh, Colin Farrell, huh?
He's a dead-ringer for my son-in-law - (Irish bred/SMancunian reared lad of some six foot four inches - has same cynical sense of humour as AM, son-in-law that is, and wicked grin.)
>>By buddy (Sunday, 27 Apr 2003 14:08)
Don't remember mentioning Pride&Prejudice but that
would be Colin Firth - at least if you're talking about the
BBC series of P&P.
Not that I don't like C. Firth - but Farrell would be a better Nick.
Lynn
>>By Lynn (Sunday, 27 Apr 2003 15:38)
Su, Apr 27 (10:00am) US
Good grief! CF or CF for CF -- two Colins and a Crisis -- and obviously a brain glitch on my part! Now I don't know who the heck I'm talking about! Doesn't matter anyway though -- he, they, whoever, we know the right actor won't get picked... cuz Hollywood casting folks are even worse at faces, names and proper casting than I am!
>>By am-i-binned (Sunday, 27 Apr 2003 16:11)
Whew! I cannot keep up with this girl talk. Paul R?????
>>By DTO (Sunday, 27 Apr 2003 19:45)
Hahaha, I didn't even get that first time, all CF's..
Must mean something.... dig in your psychology books Buddy.
You are not supposed to keep up with us DTO, you're
supposed to be reading B20 (just kidding)
Am I wrong or impatient or is it really loooooooooong before
more news pops up about filming CF.
Lynn
>>By Lynn (Sunday, 27 Apr 2003 19:57)
Miramax denies reports that it is in production on Crisis Four...
There is a rumour it may not reach the big screen for several years...
U.S. public opinion is at present too sensitive to Terrorist movies set within the U.S...
Several Hollywwod studios have alread put terrorist films on hold...
Which report do we believe?
>>By buddy (Sunday, 27 Apr 2003 22:06)
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