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>>By buddy (Sunday, 30 Mar 2003 10:52)
Sweden 30/3/03
Hello,
Re am i binned
I like your postings. Go on!
>>By Swedish reader (Sunday, 30 Mar 2003 12:43)
Holland, May 30
I don’t know Buddy, Whoopsy doesn’t really suit you. But maybe the whoopsy can destroy the pc-killer-dragon
Am-I-Binned is trying to cope with. If not, the question
Am-I-Binned is to be answered with Yes, you are!
I’ve learned in the couple of days my intelligence is even further below the mark than I expected, so please Buddy, would you be so kind to explain:
Lynn: AM is my next book along with other military personnel, he he, but am I talking about a mainstream or erotic novel?
You’re writing about someone based on AM? Was “am I talking about a mainstream of erotic novel?” a question to us, of aren’t you sure yourself yet? Or am I completely wrong here?
(if so, I’m gonna be whoopsy two or whoopsy too)
Am-I-Binned I hope you’re on the winning hand on your dragon-fight or you won’t read this: please continue the shortcut mission – if possible, I’d like to read what Andy is writing.
If others don’t like them on board, please send them offboard.
Re: the ever-persuasive smack-upside-its-head-with-a-two-pound-hammer technique...
Hahaha, how does a lovely person turn into an agressor……
a pc-killer-dragon. Let’s hope army big shots aren’t reading or I’ll see the next pc-virus coming… It will probably be disguised by a name like Bush kisses Saddams *ss. Who wouldn’t want to open that file.
(sorry – maybe MG should remove this one too)
take care, Lynn
>>By Lynn (Sunday, 30 Mar 2003 15:05)
Su, 30/3 (8:30am) US
Answer to the transformation from lovely to aggressor question -- spend way too many hours on a seek & destroy mission finding dastardly Windows gremlins who think they know better what you want and just overwrite anything in their way! Grrrrrrrrrrrr! Almost cost me my immortal soul but then I remembered exactly who the devil was (Mr G!) I backed out of the bargain -- didn't want to give him the satisfaction!
So far, so good though -- seem to be more-or-less back in business (only saying that in a whisper though and knocking on wood so hard I'm leaving dents!).
Buddy (aka Whoopsy) -- Don't stop your SAS and related postings -- you know I consider this place an all-things-Andy-and-SAS-related message board. How could something SAS-related not be on topic? Please continue... as you were saying?
Lynn and Swedish reader -- While two does not the majority make, so far it's two positives. So initial indications in our poll, ladies and gentlemen, indicate that posting shortcuts has a definite lead over not posting at the present time -- it should be pointed out, however, that these conclusions are based on the latest statistics in with a 2.5 margin of error.... ah, the American way!
Buddy -- La de da de da, de de de de, dum ((giggle)) de dum ((hic))...
Okay, you told me what you eat for breakfast -- whatchu havin' now?
MG -- Definitely your instincts were right on the mark, and your actions taken completely appropriate as far as I am concerned! Thanks muchly! Thanks also for appreciating about our discussions and for coming here to read our conversations -- we can be rather gobby, but I believe we offer both quantity and quality! So nice to have that opinion validated by you!
Wellington and TJ -- are you still with us? American will you be joining us too? I'd like all present for the following public service announcement:
GOOD NEWS!
I actually heard back from a real-live person at Transworld, AM's publicist in the UK!
First, I asked if there was any way we could find out in advance about future online chats, etc., and she has agreed to let me know about anything she schedules for him. She did indicate, though, right now (and I'm assuming this is in part because of GW2), much of what he is scheduling is on very, very short notice. But she has offered to help and that's a quantum leap forward!
Second, I asked her whether there was the remote possibility that she could bring our little gang's message board to the attention of our favorite author (seeing as we're the only action in town -- no, the only action on the entire internet -- that is actively discussing our favorite Sgt. and all things AM related). She replied: "I'd be happy to mention your website to Andy."
Ah, just sitting here basking! Wouldn't it be just too _________ (supply your own descriptive adjective) if AM did come surfing in here sometime! Tom Clancy does, many authors do... Surely, AM wouldn't like to be out in the cold when he could be in here where it's nice and friendly and warm.... oooooh, drifting now, drifting.... Smack! Earth to a-i-b! Must remember my mission! Must stay on my toes! Never know now who might be lurking.... stand by, stand by....
>>By am-i-binned (Sunday, 30 Mar 2003 16:14)
click.. click... you there Am-I-Binned?
Great job ! I know you like to remain one of the guys but
I hereby declare you to be our official spokeswoman.
No buts.. you can handle both jobs.
Lynn
>>By Lynn (Sunday, 30 Mar 2003 20:37)
Su, 30/3 (2:15pm) US
Fanx, Lynn, but what if I said:
If nominated, I will not run. If elected, I will not serve....
Found a little quote today -- and couldn't help think it's applicable to trolls and such who make so much ugly noise on message boards:
When the eagles are silent, the parrots begin to jabber.
(Sir Winston Churchill, 1874-1965)
As I read through other WC quotes, although again off-topic from AM/NS and/or SAS, I wanted to share these here with my friends:
Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter. The statesman who yields to war fever must realize that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events.
If you go on with this nuclear arms race, all you are going to do is make the rubble bounce.
There is nothing more exhilarating than to be shot at without result.
Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm.
There are a terrible lot of lies going around the world, and the worst of it is half of them are true.
The British nation is unique in this respect. They are the only people who like to be told how bad things are, who like to be told the worst.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.
Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened.
Well, I liked these, and I hope you did, too, so that you will forgive me for this little diversionary tangent....
>>By am-i-binned (Sunday, 30 Mar 2003 21:24)
nice work Am I Binned, great quotes.
>>By Paul R (Monday, 31 Mar 2003 06:06)
M, 31/3 (8:20am) US
A big "thank you" to DTO for offboard attempts last night to let me (and thereby us) know that Andy McNab was on Larry King Live at 9:00pm EST US (CNN broadcasting). Unfortunately, I was at work so I missed DTO's heads-up, missed the program, and don't think it's going to be broadcast again.
Good news though -- the transcript is already available:
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0303/30/lkl.00.html
Again, thank you, DTO! Very much appreciate your effort! If not for you, I would not have known about the program at all and I wouldn't have been able to post the link for the transcript....
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 31 Mar 2003 15:24)
Can I just ask your views on the book "REAL BRAVO TWO ZERO" it is a thoroughly great read especially if you have a good firm grasp of andy mcnab's book and chris ryan's book. highlighting many interesting points such as when the level of ammo taken on patrol minus the split up of the patrol minus the ditching of bergens minus 1 patrol member = 1.25 rounds to every dead iraqi if andy's estimate of 200 iraqi dead at vehicle checkpoint. Your views on the book. and if you haven't read it please do. Also do you realise that andy mcnab doesn't write the books he merely provides the informationa and insight for a 'ghost writer' and that his real name is Steven.
Neil
>>By Neil Scott (Monday, 31 Mar 2003 21:29)
M, 31/3 (3:30pm) UK
Welcome, Neil --
"The Real Bravo Two Zero" has been one of our more recent discussion subjects, Neil. Specifically, I would ask that you carefully read through our previous postings/discussions, paying particular attention to the discussions on page 7. And while I have not read it yet, that does not mean I will not read Asher's book in the near future. Swedish reader and TJ have both posted here that they have read TRB20. So while we may not all be on the same page, we do have folks here who are as familiar with Asher's book as you appear to be.
That said, since you brought it up, I am going to address a point that often rankles me when the "250 dead and wounded" point is raised:
"There had been many more troops than we'd expected in the area. In fact, we now learnt that what we had gone into was one large military holding area: two Iraqi armoured divisions were positioned between the border and our first LUP. .... All the same, we gave a good account of ourselves: it was established by intelligence sources that we had left 250 Iraqi dead and wounded in our wake." (B20)
Now, who established the number of dead and wounded? Where else in B20 does Andy McNab give an exact kill count? The VCP (3), along the hedgerow (4 + 1), crossing the raised road with Mark (1), Stan trying to lift the vehicle (1), Chris during e&e (3 - TOTGA). Help please, Everyone, have I forgotten any of the exact kills? Now, in addition to exact kills, nowhere, to the best of my knowledge, does Andy ever state or give an actual estimate as to the number of wounded.
So I ask again, who was it again who established the number of dead and wounded? Not Andy! He is quoting numbers estimated by intelligence sources....
Buddy has posted that "Anyone who knowingly reveals the identity of SAS/ex SAS personnel and certain personages from intelligence corp can be prosecuted for endangering their security and that of their individual families!!!" So now I must ask you, how is it possible that Asher is able to reveal Steven without facing prosecution? Easy answer -- Andy's name is not Steven....
As to ghostwriting, again, please read through our previous posts -- this is a subject we've had a great deal of fun with -- but the general concensus remains that Andy does not have a ghostwriter. I would suggest you become more familiar with Mr. McNab's spoken word, then his spontaneous "online chat" replies, and then you will recognize that same voice, that same style, the same phrasing and pacing, that same humour, that same perception/perspective, that exists throughout all of his books. He needs no ghostwriter, only a good typist with strong grammar skills. So sorry, but I do not believe it is I who needs to "realize" ....
Despite our opposing views, Neil, I am always happy when new posters find this message board! So, again, welcome! We're a small but (I think) very interesting and diversified group, and new perspectives and ideas can be very stimulating!
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 31 Mar 2003 23:12)
Ooooops -- When did I move to the UK? Meant US! Good grief, is that maybe Freudian?
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 31 Mar 2003 23:14)
Buddy was right when she said you're barking up the wrong tree with the "Steven" business. Even Asher trying to pin a name on him is (in my opinion) worthy of being hung, drawn & quartered.
Am-I-Binned, yes you're right about AM refering to confirmed kills & wounded sourced from Intel figures, not his own count.
As for the "ghost writer" saga, not a chance. He writes exactly how he speaks, there's no chance he could be using a ghost writer unless they are pyschics or have mastered some Jedi mind tricks.
take care, speak soon
>>By Paul R (Tuesday, 1 Apr 2003 04:54)
Hi Neil,
Other than technical pointers, what drew you to the reading of SAS books/novels?
Thinking of indepth research: has anyone here followed up on Asher, ie; really tagged his line of fire? Maybe I should read the book, read between the lines and take a serious look at the psychology aspect of where Asher was coming from = motive!
It seems to me, that all SAS writers are now claiming some mystical military being who appeared (post Gulf War I) on the mount and gave them carte blanche to publish, which we know is not true, though it is likely that a senior officer might have jolly'd a book that he wouldn't have dared to publish on the basis he wouldn't want to be classed a traitor to the regiment, = the MoD pulling its hair out, the blaze of controversial fire on B20 and subsequent follow-up books to ratify the situation...So which books were really MoD approved, if any??
When I say *traitor* to the regiment I mean anyone who appears to have a grudge against it and the MoD, and shoots off like a whinging kid!! There's a saying: The British Army, will make or break a man - more especially from within the elite units. Unfortunately, elite units have broken quite a few over the last couple of decades, and of those it hasn't and who've nevertheless written a book, then one has to ask: who of the writers just saw a controversial book as a way to easy bucks?!!
Shell Shock was a post Napoleonic diagnosis for a broken soldier, the same definition utilised post World War I & II, now replaced with "Post Traumatic Stress Disorder" or "Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome". Either choice of 4 magical words sounds and fits better with a society and system that readily turns to therapists for solutions to almost anything, inclusive minor personal disasters such as post fear of having fallen down stairs...The problem with fancy words as opposed to "Shell Shock" is that it trivialises the true horror of stress under fire for fighting men ordered to do a job. "Shell Shock" didn't apply solely to severely brain-injured/mentally incapacitated/incoherent men...PTSD or PTSS, for all its fancy status is more relevant to major tragedies involving civilians...
To be fighting fit and battle hardened can never compensate for a sense of betrayal by your superiors, yet, at the same time, in War situations communication systems do malfunction and that's when you suddenly realise you're on your own. Will you or won't you survive. If you're in enemy territory your only thought is how to get the hell out of there in one piece...If you're caught a wholly different mental approach will need to be called in to play if you are to survive with a sense of sanity, and when you're released you'll go through several stages of rehabilitation to a sense of recovery: recovery is not a matter of weeks it is a matter of years with no set time limit, and those years will be a roller-coaster ride of mixed emotions and physical debilitation!
Where AM and others have written books - in which you can hear the anger, frustration, and cathartic need - many men from earlier generations of SAS personnel wrote long letters to wives as opposed to picking up a mobile/cellphone...It's good to talk, but the written word, read and reread before posting proved therapeutic to earlier generations of soldiers. Hence there are few post WWII SAS books written by ex SAS personnel. Most post WWII SAS books published before the eighties were brief accounts of heroism and how and why the SAS was formed...During WWII servicemen in German prison camps wrote letters home and many were lucky enough to receive replies via the Swiss Red Cross, and some prisoners kept journals...Hence, many enlightening true life stories about many men as opposed to individuals...
Paul R: ah well, only a few encounter the wonder of the Jedi mind-set....No one has mentioned that AM might be using voice activated keyboard software... Combined with spellcheck and grammar, a dislexic person can write a book these days...Oh and dogs, of course...My German Shepherd got a free sample pack to interpret what she was barking while looking most indignant: "Nein, nein, nein, walk." And no, it's not an April Fool joke...However, it was a German software package....
>>By buddy (Tuesday, 1 Apr 2003 11:43)
Get this girls: wicked wicked pics of Andy McNab - no blacked out face: He's come out to play at last, and will be appearing on the site tonight via video cam
http://www.andymcnab.com
>>By buddy (Tuesday, 1 Apr 2003 20:48)
Tu, 4/1/03 (2:25pm) US
Oh my gosh, Buddy! Just tried the link.... and....oh boy, yeah, thanks! It's totally unbelievable -- really got my little heart a-jumpin'....!
Too clever you, too gullible me! Obviously you can disregard this idjit's offboard inquiry!
Good one!!!!
>>By am-i-binned (Tuesday, 1 Apr 2003 21:32)
Holland, April 1st
Nice one Buddy! Both postings !!
All I ever could say was said in the former postings.. So I don’t know what I’m doing here except for telling you’re right (about the RBT2, though I haven’t read it, I think the posters who have, like Swedish Reader make a lot of sense).
You asked Buddy: where Asher was coming from = motive! It’s really funny – I went to look for his book on the net and all sites I visit talk about The Real Bravo Two Zero as: There were contradictories in Andy’s book compared to Chris Ryan’s book (or visa versa) and “Now Michael Asher tell the true story” SAYS WHO?? M.Asher?? Of course he says HE tells the truth. What would he say – hey I’ve written a nice book, you should read it. I took two books, took a journey to the spot it all happened and I hear a little bit there – hear a little bit over there, drew my own conclusions and there was my book….. Yeah…. And…??? Well, I’ve written the truth…. AAAAH of course. The other two exaggerated a bit, did a bit of heroic thing because that’s what readers expect… But YOU you tell truth. I get it now. You were also SAS and dessert specialist. Of course you would be telling the truth.. that’s what readers expect right…?… eeeeeehh .. right !!
Ah, one more thing. Andy could use be using voice activated keyboard software but if I may quote the man himself at least those words are on the worldbookday site, answering the question Where do you write? He says: “I do not have a regular place where I write. I use an Apple Mac Powerbook so I am pretty mobile. At home I tend to lie on the sofa with the computer propped on a cushion. Sometimes, if I feel my deadline looming, I try the desk in my office to make me feel I'm knuckling down. That usually lasts about a day or so. Because I travel a lot I tend to write on the move. For that reason I have two extra batteries in my bag and about 800 different leads”.
Ghostwriter?? Absolutely yes! That’s why he is always in the shadows, no one ever gets to see him – he (you guys should have got that by now) - is his own ghostwriter!
Take care guys, welcome N.Scott –nice name,
Lynn
Let's go to www.andymcnab.com
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 1 Apr 2003 21:32)
The pics are great, but the video doesn't play on my
computer - d**n. Really should upgrade Real Player.
Ah, better not, guess I couldn't handle seeing it anyway...
This is too much for my dear heart.
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 1 Apr 2003 21:38)
dessert = desert,
see.. poor heart and mind are loosing it already.
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 1 Apr 2003 21:42)
Tu, 4/1/03 (2:45pm) US
I must say, Lynn, your posting is particularly enjoyable today -- sarcasism certainly does become you! Fanx for the grins!
>>By am-i-binned (Tuesday, 1 Apr 2003 21:49)
Good grief -- even my fingers are playing April Fool's tricks on me! sarcasm, not sarcasism....
>>By am-i-binned (Tuesday, 1 Apr 2003 22:51)
Laptop on cushion? Lying down on sofa? Logistically that would put the laptop under AM's jaw unless he was lying on his side!!! Sounds uncomfortable and more suited to reading a book in that position...
I lie on sofa or chair (elevated internal footrest) with Laptop on folded towel = less bulky and folded to prevent Laptop from sliding forward/backward - so comfy and refreshments close at hand on side table...Am-I-binned has a list of preferred/suitable liquor for writers/readers...
Writing on the move!? Gee, how? If anyone interrupts me when I'm full flow I threaten to kill them - at end of paragraph!!! Hence, need for solitude...The dog is the only one who can get away with distracting her mistress - she just lets off a tirade of maniacal whoof whoofs and madam has to get up to see who is at the door, though in most cases if there was anyone they vanished into thin air...
>>By buddy (Wednesday, 2 Apr 2003 00:10)
...Or it was the grey man...
(probably checking how it works with the towel..)
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 2 Apr 2003 12:12)
Lynn, you have no idea the image your last post conjured in this perverted mind I call my *wicked soul*.
The softness of a towel, the multiple uses of a towel, the pleasures to behold a man decked out in only a towel, the essence of freshly bathed male, the last droplets of water trickling from hair across brow - ((slaps hand)) must shut up right now and go stand in the corner for lewd thoughts of towel removed from around hips to dry hair...
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Since the Falklands War 265 British military personnel have committted suicide...
>>By buddy (Wednesday, 2 Apr 2003 13:59)
hi group, i looked in on this discussion having an interest in 'all things special forces' and being a collector/hoarder of books on the subject, not just by mr mcnab.
this is just to say that firstly i met andy at a book signing some time ago and he came over as an extremely likeable character. secondly, putting aside mr asher's book content, he's not far wide of the mark with the 'steven' reference - anyone as highly decorated as mr mcnab would have a difficult time shielding his identity should someone really wish to uncover it. same goes for chris ryan, simpson, soldier i, etc etc and even mr asher himself! regards, pe.
>>By Mr Pe Gasus (Wednesday, 2 Apr 2003 16:22)
W, Apr 4 (10:20am) US
Welcome, Mr. Pe Gasus!
Wow, guys, we must be doing something right -- more folks finding us! Must ask many questions: Where was the book signing? When was the signing? Which book? Where are you posting from? How did you find out about the signing? Was it open to public? Or by private invite only (as we've been told...)? If private, how did you get invitation? And last, how did you find this message board -- what "search" did you use? Inquiring minds (well, mine anyway) want to know!
And, buddy, what can I say!?! Man-oh-man! Wait, yep, nope, that's right -- that says it all -- Man-oh-man!
>>By am-i-binned (Wednesday, 2 Apr 2003 17:24)
Hi, Mr Pe Gasus,
Are you saying Andy McNab revealed his real name at the book signing? (((AS IF)))
Bear in mind undercover operatives often change their names by deed poll upon leaving service to queen & Country, while others change their names like changing hats to suit any occasion and by doing so remain anonymous...A name on a medal of honour list may not necessarily be the birth name of the recipient, except in the case of posthumous awards!!!!!!!!
Have you read through the postings here? If not, suggest you do, there's much talk on who Andy McNab might or might not be...
>>By buddy (Wednesday, 2 Apr 2003 18:16)
Holland, April 4th
Re: Since the Falklands War 265 British military personnel have committed suicide...
Does that mean there’s something wrong with their counselling? Is this amount comparable to other countries military personnel?
Hi Pe Gasus. As in the flying horse??
Inquiring minds also want to know, are you one? Just kidding, welcome.
Re: mr asher, he's not far wide of the mark with the 'steven' reference
Either way it’s of no use discussing, since we’re not likely to find out the truth are we.
(but it is fun – that I agree)
Re: Are you saying Andy McNab revealed his real name at the book signing?
(((AS IF))) = meaning you’re absolutely sure Buddy?
Re: Lynn, you have no idea the image your last post conjured
Well I do now..! Would you please be more careful with my tender soul…. I made that remark in all innocence…
(imagine the thoughts when I really set my mind to it… Oops – join you in corner)
A question that popped up and I don’t think was asked before, why is Crisis Four the first movie to be filmed? Starting with the first one would make more sense (well Hollywood and sense don’t seem to match – unless Sixth sense – but it’s a serious question though!)
Lynn
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 2 Apr 2003 20:35)
Sweden April 2
Hello and welcome Neil and Pe Gasus
Re ghostwriter
I don´t think he is using a ghostwriter.
If one listens to interviews or reads transcripts.from on-line chats with him one notices that the language is very .much the same.
In several different interviews he has also described how he is working.
Re The Real Bravo Two Zero
Yes, there are differencies in the books, which are difficult to explain away. I can't say what is right, but I´m getting suspicious when somebody tries to make money on somebody else's success.
Asher's purpose of the book seems a bit queer considering what he reveals.
According to an online chat with CR , Asher has never been a member of the SAS.
I am also suspicious when those who are interviewed in the book remember not only dates but also exact times for incidents, occuring 10 years ago.
Both CR and Stan describe, how they were discovered by that shephard boy..Schwartzkopf among others has also said that if they had known about the huge military activities in the area, the patrol would never have been sent in. So it sounds very unlikely that they could manage/get along for days without meeting one single soldier.
AM gets critizised in the book , because he has not made sure that.the radio frequency worked. He has explained in an online chat that the received the frequency for southern Iraq though they were in northern Iraq. It is not possible to check in advance if the frequency works. You'll have to be on the spot to do that.
I'm quite convinced that his real name is not revealed in the book.
To me it sounds highly unprofessional to tell your name when you hijack a car.
It is also said in the book that there are no yellow cars in Iraq. I saw a documentary about the last Gulf war about a week ago. There was at least one yellow car. I saw pictures from Bagdad yesterday, and there were also yellow cars. For my part it's rather uninteresting if the car was a yellow New york cab or another car.
As for the distances i don't think they went as straight as the lines on the map show.
AM refrains in both interviews and on line chats from discussing how many people he has killed. The figure mentioned in B20 comes from intelligence.
Why does Asher use the word "commandos"?
So many questions and no answers....
>>By Swedish reader (Wednesday, 2 Apr 2003 21:09)
Hey guys,
Here we go again about Mr Asher & his "Real" B20. I agree totally with Swedish Reader about Asher's motives. Anyone trying to make money off someone else's battles......I won't continue or MG will have too much work censoring this.
And yep Buddy, ex-SF guys do change their names quite often. Andy still gets death threats, so as if he would ever reveal his name in a public forum. And like I said before, for Asher to even try to pin a name on him..... (again I'll save MG the work)
Interesting point there Swedish Reader about the people Asher interviews remembering exact times & dates 10 years after the events. Sounds like a load of happy horse s#*t. And the yellow car business, Asher mustn't have looked too hard, and like you said SW it is so trivial. Why waisting your time trying to disprove AM & CR? Was Asher cheesed that they both actually passed Selection?
And ladies, the grey man in a towel does nothing for me. Can I have a grey girl instead?
take care, speak soon
>>By Paul R (Thursday, 3 Apr 2003 01:50)
Oooooooh!
>>By am-i-binned (Thursday, 3 Apr 2003 14:12)
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