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Welcome Alice.
Thanks for the CNN-transcript.
>>By Swedish reader (Thursday, 10 Apr 2003 10:06)
Th, Apr 10 (1:20pm) US
Some current articles quoting Andy McNab:
"Rumours swirl over Saddam's fate"
Filed 6 hrs ago -Th, April 10, 2003
Rick Mofina - The Ottawa Citizen
http://www.canada.com/national/features/iraq/story.html? id=BAD231A3-A9F4-4FBB-A37A-13274E542EA7
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Excerpt:
But in today's geopolitical climate, the U.S. cannot afford to have Mr. Saddam join fugitives like Osama bin Laden, the mastermind behind the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on Washington and New York City, Andy McNab told Reuters. The former British Special Air Service commando was once captured fighting behind Iraqi lines in the 1991 Gulf War.
"What you have to do to liberate the Iraqis is to kill Saddam. You will have taken away the ultimate threat," Mr. McNab said.
Free of Fear, Iraqis May Deliver Saddam
Wed April 9, 2003 08:45 AM ET
Paul Majendie - Reuters
http://asia.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml? type=focusIraqNews&storyID=2534840
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"Free of fear, Iraqis may bring Saddam his nemesis"
Th, Apr 10, 2003
http://www.deepikaglobal.com/latestnews.asp?ncode=792
"To Mailer, a good soldier puts war on paper"
W, Apr 9, 2003
Bob Minzesheimer - TODAY
http://www.usatoday.com/life/books/news/2003-04-09- war-novels_x.htm
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Interesting article about memoirs of wars; quotes AM among several other authors...
>>By am-i-binned (Thursday, 10 Apr 2003 19:44)
Ouch!
MG, please help -- I must be doing something wrong here. I insert a blank space in the link, but the line does not wrap at the space, so they're wrapping w-i-d-e still, messing up the width of these pages. Is there something else I should be doing to force the link to wrap?
Fanx in advance!
>>By am-i-binned (Thursday, 10 Apr 2003 19:50)
Hmm.. it wraps fine here in IE6. Anybody else seeing problems?
>>By mg (Thursday, 10 Apr 2003 21:55)
07.50 10/04/03 UK
Er hmm! AM's publicity girl needs fly-swatting on her backside!!!
AM guest speaker BBC 1 last night 8.pm - Iraq: The Final Chapter:
Too many intellectual wouldbe soldiers/diplomats, too many armchair generals, and AM only got a couple of shots off across the table as Dimbleby flirted with the intelligente. There was a side-view exposure of AM by cameraman - again - showing his fast greying hair...
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MG: no probs with page and url posts at this end...
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Am-I-Binned posted AM comment/statement:
"What you have to do to liberate the Iraqis is to kill Saddam. You will have taken away the ultimate threat," Mr. McNab said.
Buddy says: Oh dear oh dear...Silly comment - Liberating Iraq was not the original agenda of the WAR? The original agenda was to rid the regime of weapons of mass destruction, and thereby lessen the threat of terrorism on US soil, Brits in there for same reason...Happen that will be the case on US home ground, though Embassies etc will be prime targets. Unfortunately, the UK is within striking distance of Europe and, fanatics who can (or will soon learn to) fly planes, steer boats, and join their UK brothers in attacks of terrorism on our soil, and I wouldn't put it past the REAL IRA to join forces with their Arab brothers: again!!!
Give it a year down the line from this war, when complacency of security forces begins to set in, and terrorism will emerge as ugly as ever!!
Yes, AM's right, Saddam needs to be decapitated, but with him and Osama bin Laden still on the loose, they are and will be champions of a deadly cause!!
Remember the story: Alibaba and his forty thieves - located in Baghdad! - Take a good look at the looting of hospitals in Iraq, as seen on TV...OK, so there are civilised people in Iraq, but when people loot equipment they have no use for, xray machines/heart monitors etc, then one has to seriously review the kind of people they are = barbarians and robbers with low-life mentality: a perfect breeding ground for terrorists!!
I don't think the US leaders, as a whole, have any concept of the beast they have unleashed!!! The Brits know, our mature troops have immense experience of policing *streets* (NI trained), and will probably make up the greater majority of *Blue Berets* when the UN is finally allowed to step foot in Iraq, though I would imagine the USA will hold off as long as possible on that score...That is, until their men are going home in bodybags by the hundreds due to car bombings and rocket launcher attacks etc...Iraq is much bigger than Ireland, and vast borders to patrol....It ain't all over yet!!!
>>By buddy (Friday, 11 Apr 2003 09:33)
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>>By mg (Friday, 11 Apr 2003 23:23)
Good shot, MG...
After all, you're the Supreme Allied Commander around here!!!
What ever Americans or rest of the world thinks about imminent terrorism in the wake of this latest Gulf War, Europe was and still is the front line defense for America and Americans...
The B52's flew out of Fairford (UK) to bomb Iraq, American airbases in Germany received the American dead and injured, which puts us in Europe as first in line for Islamic fundamentalist reprisal!!!
>>By buddy (Saturday, 12 Apr 2003 11:16)
If MG will bear with me on this, my present post is factual data, all of which might clarify any confusion in respect of Iraq as a nation and its political structure, primarily for those who may not have had time or inclination to research recent history of Iraq. I know this board is supposedly all things AM related, and I know AM would value this information if he was not of a mind to research (which he does) for validity of world affairs within his novels.
area: 434,924 sqkm/167,8881 sq mi
capital: Baghdad
second cities: Mosul & port of Basra
political system (no longer effective in light of US troops on the streets of Baghdad): one-party socialist state - head of State Saddam Hussein.
political parties: Arab Baath Socialist party/Nationalist Socialist.
religion: Shi'ite Muslim 60% - Sunni Muslim (Saddam Hussein's tribe) 30% - Christians 3%.
literacy: 60% male - 32% female
Chronology:
1920: Iraq became a "British League of Nations Protectorate". (look to Lawrence of Arabia for further research on subject)
1921: Hashemite dynasty established, with Faisal I, as king.
1932: Iraq Achieved full independence.
1958 Monarchy overthrown and Iraq became a republic.
1968: Military coup put Gen al-Bakr in power.
1979 Al-Bakr replaced by Saddam Hussein.
1980: Gulf War between Iraq/Iran broke out. (US provided arms & chemical weapons to Iraq)
1985: Gulf War fighting intensfied. UN secretary-general's peace moves were unsuccessful.
1988: Ceasefire in Gulf War, talks began with Iran. Iraq was accused of using chemical weapons against Iranians. There was harsh represson of Kurdish rebels/peoples in the north of Iraq (formerly Kurdistan) who sought greater autonomy, thousands of Kurdish civilians/villages and towns gassed!
1989: Unsuccessful coup against President Saddam Hussein.
1990: Iraq invaded and annexed Kuwait, troops moved to Saudi Arabian border. Multinational defense forces installed in Saudi. Meantime, Saddam Hussein made peace treaty with Iran.
The rest you all know: Gulf War I (as we see it) and Andy McNab's post war fame:
*Desert Storm* data: times/dates etc., several pages back on this message board...
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may I point out a this juncture - to date - no chemicals of mass destruction have been found in Iraq...This being the so-called prime reasoning for Gulf War II...
Liberation of the Iraqi peoples (secondary consideration - after thought voiced in wake of peace protests worldwide) was first mentioned by Bush/Blair after the first bombs fell on Baghdad...
Iraqi Oil, and who should share the spoils of WAR (invasion) were merely whispered about behind the scenes until President Chirac (France) mentioned Iraqi oil as the main instigator for the conflict, and that terrorism had little to do with it, on the basis that numbers of Iraqis who signed up for Al Qaeda was less than American or Brit volunteers, albeit most of those volunteers recruited from Arab/Muslim immigrants to the USA & UK. Morocco, Sudan, and Somalia, at present, are far greater threats to International security on the terrorist front...I could well be wrong on my next assumption, but I don't think it will be long before we are all aware of terrorist recruitment and intense training within the Far East, mainly that of Indonesia and surrounding areas!!!
>>By buddy (Saturday, 12 Apr 2003 14:51)
Sa, Apr 12 (8:30am) US
Yes, Buddy, yes -- in this you are 10,000% correct and it is the saddest and most distressing of all truths! Even more so, in that I do not think we (the US) appreciate how much we owe and how much we take for granted. We have a strange perspective blessed by our geographic separation, one that distorts our self-perceptions. It seems to me, it's taken Pearl Harbor's and 9/11's to rattle us out of our complacency, to look more realistically at ourselves in relation to the Europe and the rest of the world, but even then, our perspective is always through a distorted looking glass, the one that is held up to us by our politicians, our news media, and god-only-knows-who-else, those pulling the strings that set the agendas. We seldom seem look away to see if we would find the same images in other looking glasses, those being held up to the rest of the world by their politicians, their news media, their who-else’s.
We've discussed here the benefits of reading all versions of events and then gleaning the truth in a more accurate way. I regret that I believe we (the US) for the most part don't even realize that there can be other sources. Not necessarily because we are so pompously absorbed in ourselves, but because we've become so accustomed to doing things the easy way, not digging any deeper than the superficial information fed to us so consistently and conveniently within the comforts of our living rooms (sound bytes rule, you know!). This is not a new subject for me (you've heard me whining and complaining about this before), but it pains me to think that this is who and how we are and that while we are lulled into our comforting beliefs and perceptions, caused by our own biases and acceptance of what we're told by our media and our politicians, the rest of the world sees and knows differently, even more accurately, and pays a terribly bitter unacknowledged price on our behalf.
I wasn't going to reply to these postings but to remain silent somehow seems like the very thing I'm complaining about -- a complacency, an assumption, a taking for granted, a blindness to the bigger picture. I want to acknowledge my very personal gratitude, my very personal sense of debt, my very personal feelings of obligation to so very, very many for such huge sacrifices so that I can continue to enjoy the blessings of being an American. I am (and we are) so indebted to the men and women of ALL the coalition forces who have strengths that I do not, courage that I do not, commitment and self-sacrifice on a scale far beyond my comprehension. And to all the peacekeepers throughout the world, in acknowledged and unacknowledged wars, in actions known and actions secret, the debt is just as great even though I do not know who and how to thank.
To not acknowledge these sacrifices would be....well.... -- for me to try to explain further seems pointless -- if my meaning is not clear, then I'm simply incapable of explaining and no amount of words will make my feelings any clearer...
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 12 Apr 2003 14:56)
Sa, Apr 12 (9:00am) US
Again, Buddy, another excellent posting, and again I agree with so much. I would like to clarify, though, that as I was inputting my 8:30am posting, your latest comments had not yet posted. So my 8:30 posting is actually replying to your earlier postings (pre- and post-"archived") ..... only because the thread is now jumbled and my response seems confusing following your factual data....
PS: Could we maybe keep including our own the timestamps, too?
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 12 Apr 2003 15:10)
Australia-0016hrs, 13/04/03
Am I Binned - you're welcome.
take care, speak soon
>>By Paul R (Saturday, 12 Apr 2003 16:17)
Holland, April 13th
Re: showing his fast greying hair...
Would this be of natural cause or from being a grey man for so long? Both probably but which came first??
Re: the original agenda of the WAR?
How can we ever tell??? Too many hidden agenda’s on all politicians desks.. on the ones in favour of the war - on the ones against it. Even the protesters who fight for human rights have double agenda’s when they bring their little infants to those protests – I mean what do they know?? And what do I know?? Don’t think for a moment it’s better over here Am-I-Binned, you don’t get to see the truth (?).. neither do we. It’s all coloured, coloured by whoever is in charge at whatever media instrument. You may get to see one view, we get so many views there’s no telling in what’s real or not. The only thing I know for sure about any war is that there are innocent victims and I feel sorry for them – necessary victims or not?? That’s not for me to decide or influence, I just count my blessings for being safe so far. Of course I hope to remain in a safe area, but knowing elsewhere people have to die to keep me safe… I can’t even begin to describe how that tangles me. So if there’s any opinion I have about the war or any war: to me it’s one big tangle!
Finished Liberation Day, just a basic opinion: I loved it. It doesn’t have the speed and action of Remote Control (my favorite) but the description of surveillance of the Romeo’s was (to me) very real and I think it gave a good impression of that part of the job. So I think he succeeded in writing a new book instead of doing it all over again with only altering names and places. Also not working alone but with two mates this time was great and with lovely humor. The end of the book was new too I think, instead of leaving Nick still struggling and doubting his life as before, he seemed to be ok with it at the end of Liberation Day for the first time (meaning Andy’s life is settled too?). I do miss Kelly I must say. I would love to hear from her again in his next book(s).
I had some personal giggles when reading the book, so I think Andy knows me (hahaha as if) that I won’t get into, just one I’ll share with you: at the end of the book “The bridge over the Saugus river took us into Lynn. How sweet to mention me (again)! Hahaha.
Alice: I never think in clichés, hope you won’t either ‘cause what would that make off me Dutchie hey??
Take care, Lynn
>>By Lynn (Saturday, 12 Apr 2003 19:15)
Am-I-Binned: I don't think anyone in the UK would deny "We" were immensely grateful for US munitions and equipment sent to us during the early years of World War II:1939 - 1941. As you rightly said the USA finally entered into the conflict after the attack on Pearl Harbour: Dec/1941...World War II finally ended in 1945, and We all fought together to achieve that end...
I think American misconception of the world at large and how we outside America view Americans, inclusive War/s fought on foreign soil, is attributed to Hollywood rewriting the scripts of *truth* and thereby rewriting historical/heroic events, which were, wholly attributable to British & Commonwealth forces, inclusive many operations in African states alongside Dutch UN troops, long before the 1990s...Take the Korean War, in which Brits, Aussies, and Ghurkas fought alongside Americans under a *United Nations Force*, yet, according to Hollywood, the Korean War operation was totally under American Command...Take Vietnam: where are the Hollywood films about Aussie heroic deeds in Vietnam, and where is the recognition in the USA for the fallen Aussies in Vietnam? What about the American assault upon Granada without first consulting the British Parliament, it being a British protectorate, where British undercover operatives were already ashore and preparing to instigate an uprising and coup - British undercover opertives inevitably killed by American bullets!!? As for the Falklands War, well, that was down to us, no American involvement, and it would take some serious rewriting of history in Hollywood to portray that as an American victory...Sadly, many military operations throughout the world have been tagged by Hollywood as solely American triumphs, inclusive Bosnia, again untrue, and over time no doubt, thanks to Hollywood, American children will grow up in the belief that Americans troops were the only ones to set foot in Afghanistan in the hunt for Osama bin Laden...again untrue...Hollywood has a lot to answer for, and the rest of world is already well aware how Gulf War II will be depicted on the big screen!!!
This post is not an attack on Americans per se, it is a reflection of how the outside world views America - as portrayed by Hollywood: lawless cowboys toting six-shooters... I guess that's why I envisage Nick Stone stories likely to be unrecognisable on the big screen as the work of Andy McNab - cutting-room floors can hack a story....Worse, films even get scrapped because they don't fit in with world events that happened and ultimately provide new fuel for new fires of inspiration...
>>By buddy (Saturday, 12 Apr 2003 19:31)
Germany, 13.04.03, 01:00 am
Yes Lynn I was joking, although the present US propaganda makes me upset sometimes...
I totally agree with you when you say everything is coloured et we'll never know what is really happening and what should be done.
And to my mind Buddy is right: US have no idea of the consequences of this war - in which the whole Europe is implicated. We can expect long-terms problems in Iraq, hostility in Far East.
Of course the conflict is based on economic and political stakes, as ever. But this time different religions and races are face to face. It's the oldest hate, we are going back.
In fact, is what we think really important? Can we have an influence on the situation? I don't think so. (Never been invited at the White House! And manifestations against war, what a joke)
Sure AM has his own convictions and political opinions, but he used to say he was paid to do a job, not to think about good and evil.
Sometimes I think it's all we can do; it's the world we live in, we just have to deal with it. Cause we won't be able to change it.
Not really optimistic, I know!
>>By Alice (Sunday, 13 Apr 2003 01:33)
Alice: You're right about *peoples of the world* having little say in world affairs...
The problem being, most of us in the West democratically elect our governments to run respective countries, and in doing so we hope and pray our leaders will *not* fall foul to personal meglomania! Unfortunately, history has proved us wrong in many cases within Europe, and maybe, when two members from one family become presidents of the USA, the word *Ruling Dynasty* comes to mind, and it has to be said: presidents seem less accountable to their people than prime ministers...
As soon as meglomania rears its ugly head in the UK, a Prime Minister seals their own fate: downfall!! Women Prime Ministers, (Thatcher era) are no less prone to being sacked...Her downfall came from following US presidential stance on supreme power...She forgot she was accountable to the country, that she was not in office for a set period if she got it wrong or stepped out of line!
AM: yes he was paid to do a job and not to think why he was doing it, but he has a conscience, it shows in his writing, and like a lot more ex SAS personnel he suffers from emotional stress...His outer shell is a fortress wall, and he knows how vulnerable he really is if he lets down the drawbridge! Suicide takes guts, but it takes more guts to live with the kind of memories (nightmares) he and others have...
>>By buddy (Sunday, 13 Apr 2003 09:24)
Sorry Am-I-Binned: last post: 08.28 Sun UK
>>By buddy (Sunday, 13 Apr 2003 09:28)
Germany, 15:30
Yes it takes courage to do such things and to live with it after. Even if you are "a big boy who knew the rules", weekness or force have nothing to do with it : we're all humain, and brain doesn't always do what we want. We're so naïve to think we have total control on our life and mind. It's the same for everybody: we fight, we feel strong and we're proud of it... and one day everything' s down.
I'm not a "psy-fan", but admit everyone could (should ?) have a therapy to deal with its own childhood and life.
So I was surprised as AM (at the end of B 2.0) said he didn't have any emotional after-effects. Maybe was is true at the time. But in Last Light you can't miss it: nightmares / uncontrolleds fears (memories of childhood - night monster) / physical symptoms. It's another detail that makes Nick Stone real and human, but it's much more than an author's idea. It's a pathology! Can be called emotional disorder, depression, nervous breakdown. I hope AM is not the kind of man who believes psychiatrics are for insane people. Maybe write about him is not enough, maybe is it the only way for him to feel better.
Oups! Did I write that my favourite author should go and see a psychiatric? Hope he wouldn't - you won't - take it as an insult. I'm just worring about him. I live among soldiers, know how they are; muscles, smiles and (bad) jokes. Nothing's seems to be grave. But it's not what they feel inside, it just can't be.
>>By Alice (Sunday, 13 Apr 2003 15:53)
Holland, April 14th
This was just the thing I’ve been thinking about for the last couple of days while thinking about Liberation Day How hard must this be… to do a job and put every personal thought aside.
(Same thinking comes up sometimes when seeing a lawyer defending a child- molester or killer for example.)
On the job, having to live with the orders you were given, afterwards with the decisions you made (having followed those orders or not and with all consequences) That it’s hard and that some can’t live with what they’ve done or haven’t done or think they should have done is sadly indicated by suicide numbers and there are of course lots of men who live but struggle for the rest of their lives, not being able of having a normal relationship with their next of kin. SAS selection is at first physically tough and then mentally hard to pass, it’s even harder to stay in the Regiment I guess. Hopefully most of their jobs are meant to make the world a little better so that’s something to hold on to.
Apart from being a tough job, it must be fulfilling for those who get through it ‘cause when asked they say ‘they had a great time, wouldn’t have missed it, the places they have seen…’ How unhappy would they have been when doing the job’s we do… in our safe offices (or where ever you all work.. )
Lynn
PS I was answering Buddy's last post, saw you posted in the mean time Alice, but it all has to do with the same so I won't change anything
>>By Lynn (Sunday, 13 Apr 2003 20:18)
re: Paul and Buddy
I am not a "fan" of the IRA; I have been called "fenian bastard" more times than I can count by Army and police simply for living in a certain area.
I do however, find it somewhat appalling that given the nature of SAS activities, that they are seen as some sort of "rouge warriors" who are given the benefit of the doubt and their activities and exploits are rarely questioned unless it's by the Irish Republican propagandists and then lies mount on top of lies and the "truth" is obscured. My base question remains: why did McNab choose to cover-up the circumstances regarding Antione Bride's death? And what else has he pandered off as "truth" is in fact more fiction?
Terrorism should never be excused nor supported by any stretch of the imagination. State-sanctioned terrorism included.
As far as all the Orange Order rubbish; I could care less where or when they march. And I don't recall getting on any "high horse" and calling anyone an "ignorant Brit", nor was my post meant to be regarded as yet more IRA propaganda. I was thinking maybe Andy McNab would stop by here and possibly address my post since I never heard a word from him after sending three letters via postal service.
Btw, I'm not "at war" with anyone. The truth would suffice.
--FB
>>By Fenian Bastard (Monday, 14 Apr 2003 11:52)
Hello, FB.
Thank you for explaining more clearly. I'd like to address your specific issue with Andy's account as to the death of Antoine MacGiolla Bhrighde, if I may. Here are the deaths which occurred in the incident, and these are accurate (non-SAS) documentations:
02 December 1984
Alistair Slater (28) nfNI
Status: British Army (BA), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Shot during gun battle between undercover British Army (BA) unit and Irish Republican Army (IRA) unit, near Kesh, County Fermanagh.
02 December 1984
Antoine MacGiolla Bhrighde (27) Catholic
Status: Irish Republican Army (IRA), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Shot during gun battle between undercover British Army (BA) unit and Irish Republican Army (IRA) unit, near Kesh, County Fermanagh.
02 December 1984
Kieran Fleming (26) Catholic
Status: Irish Republican Army (IRA), Killed by: not known (nk)
Drowned in Bannagh River, near Kesh, County Fermanagh. Escaping from gun battle between undercover British Army (BA) unit and Irish Republican Army (IRA) unit.
Source: http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/chron/1984.html
I re-read Immediate Action to see where the confusion occurred. I can see why you might have misinterpreted what Andy has written. (For those here who may not have Immediate Action at hand, following passages describe the account in question.)
Per Andy:
"The boy on the floor must have heard everything and considered himself deeply in the shit, because he decided to go for it. He lunged at Clive in an attempt to get past him; Clive dropped Eddie's HK53 so he could use his arm to drop him.
He was too late. The boy had gone, and so was the weapon.
'He's got a 53!' Clive shouted. 'He's got a 53!'
They went after him.
Eddie had drawn his pistol; they both fired and the boy droppd. They ran forward and checked his body, but there was no pulse. They went back to Al, but it was too late. Al Slater was dead."
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"After a few days pieces of the puzzle started to come together.
Antoin Mac Giolla Bride was an ex-Southern Irish soldier and a well-known terrorist since he was first arrested in 1979. His ASU (active service unit) had planned to lay a land mine, consisting of beer kegs crammed with low explosive, in a culvert at the entrance to the hotel. By the time we got the call the bomb was in place.
As Al's car drove past they must have heard it and hidden. Unfortunately, the car stopped just feet from two of the boys. As he sent the Schermuly up they must have seen his silhouette and opened up.
Al took rounds but managed to turn and fire back. Then he fell.
They moved off and got to the banks of the Bannagh river. One of them jumped into the water to cross to the other side. The river was only about 20 feet wide but it was flood and there were deep pools. When he got over, he couldn't find his companion. He'd drowned further downstream."
When Andy refers Antoine, he's talking about "the boy" intercepted by Clive and Eddie, not one of the two who escaped to the river.
This is incident is also recorded in Frank Collin's book, "Baptism of Fire":
"One of the men had parked their blue van and was walking back to join the hitmen when two of our lads walked up the road and challenged him.
The terrorist said, 'It's OK, it's only me.'
Either he genuinely thought he was talking to one of his own boys or he was buying himself time. He must have been in no doubt who he was talking to when they said, 'Halt, stand still!'
At that point he started to run for it and our boys opened fire over his head to make him stop. When Al heard, 'Halt, stand still!' he went to the back of the car and got out a Schermuly flare. As the lads started firing, the Schermuly went up and everything which had been hidden and secret and dark was suddenly lit up. It's unlikely but possible that at this point Al saw the hitmen. They certainly saw him. They opened fire on him at once. He was shot a number of times and killed instantly.
The fleeing Provo had halted to save his life and was being searched when Al's body was discovered. The terrorist then took advantage of the situation and tried to escape again, drawing a pistol. The rules say that in this situation you can shoot, and he was shot dead. Despite the security cordon, the other terrorists managed to escape, but one was killed in the process. He drowned trying to swim across the river. I like to think that McNab and I flushed him into the river, but I don't know if we did. The other two hitmen were picked up by the police the next day, suffering from exposure."
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 14 Apr 2003 14:48)
Ooops! Response to FB posted M, Apr 14 (8:55am) US
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 14 Apr 2003 14:54)
FB:
Why use the nic "Fenian Bastard" if you find it so offensive, which it is?
Talking in terms of IRA versus security forces: I would like to know the "real" truth behind the disappearance of Robert Nairac!! I know an awful lot from men on the ground/in the field at the time, but not the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth...
There are so many lies and counter lies associated with and to the IRA, that I don't think any one person involved knows what truth means in terms of justice...
No matter how you assess the IRA cause, the plain fact remains that terrorists are sitting in Parliament same as ex British soldiers, and the reality is that criminals from both sides of the argument are now in seats of power, political power...
If the same were to happen with civilian criminals, we the people wouldn't approve, wouldn't vote criminals into parliament...
So, why do we tolerate murdering bastards (from both sides of the NI divide) passing laws they themselves wouldn't have abided to a few years ago, probably still don't?
One only has to look at Israel to see what terrorists given power of government will achieve...They become the same as the people who ordered their hunting down in the first place...
The cycle goes on, the wheels keep turning, and terrorism erupts under a different flag of freedom fighters...
>>By buddy (Monday, 14 Apr 2003 18:27)
I wanted to publicly thank Am-I-Binnend for the kind thoughts with the new edition to my library. I will be eagerly reading B20 today. The gift was a overwelmingly nice thought. Thank You very much!!!!!
P.S. Liberation Day will have to wait until I am done.
>>By DTO- (Monday, 14 Apr 2003 23:06)
As someone pointed out: Meglomania should have read as Megalomania...
That's what comes from writing online, in haste, fire in the soul...
>>By buddy (Monday, 14 Apr 2003 23:26)
Tu, Apr 15 (1:45am) US
Well, as someone pointed out to me: Only start to worry about mistakes when they stop putting erasers on pencils. How trivial an issue compared to the importance of the thoughts conveyed. I'm very much enjoying your fiery soul!
>>By am-i-binned (Tuesday, 15 Apr 2003 07:52)
Just a quick note to apologize for having done so many mistakes. Some because of "quick-writing", and many others - certainly - I can't even notice. Sorry, really sorry.
>>By Alice (Tuesday, 15 Apr 2003 13:25)
Tu, Apr 15 (8:35am) US
Alice, Alice! Please, don't apologize for "quick-writing" mistakes!
We all make them -- surely you've noticed! We're just so anxious to express our thoughts that our poor little fingers stumble sometimes trying to keep up! Not only that -- please remember that you, along with Lynn, Swedish reader, and MG, are the exceptional ones here in that English is your second language! And I am in complete awe and envy of such amazing communication skills!
Plus, sometimes little finger flubs can provide fun grins and friendly chuckles.... and every once in a while, a little Freudian does slip in here and there. Should say, too, that even for those of us who speak only one language, we still can confuse the daylights out of ourselves depending on whether we're speaking Brit, Aussie, or Yank.... (very big grin, very big wink)
So, as I posted early -- only worry when pencils don't have erasers any more! Until then, if ever we don't understand one another, it's as simple as asking for further explanation -- in fact, that's part of why this message board is almost 12 pages now, and also why we sometimes correspond offboard, too....
>>By am-i-binned (Tuesday, 15 Apr 2003 14:43)
Am-i-binned, you're a gentleman.
>>By Alice (Tuesday, 15 Apr 2003 16:48)
Tu, Apr 15 (11:35am) US
Alice, what a terrific compliment! Fanx muchly! (vbg - very big grin!)
>>By am-i-binned (Tuesday, 15 Apr 2003 17:37)
18.33 UK
Love it, love it, Alice...
Am-I-Binned: you must know what Alice' last post did for me...
Good for the heart I've been told...
>>By buddy (Tuesday, 15 Apr 2003 19:34)
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