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Thanks for the correction and heads up. I will try amazon.ca for my next twenty or thirty AM books.
>>By BadTime (Tuesday, 2 Nov 2004 23:07)
BadTime....
Since I'm feeling generous today, I'll let you (and everybody else on this board) in on a little secret. By far the best book price comparison website that I have ever come across is www.addall.com
Give them a shot before you buy anywhere.
If anybody knows of a better website, please post it. This is something of an obsession with me. And a matter of livelihood. The only way I can justify buying so many books is if I can convince myself that I'm actually SAVING money on each purchase.
Hey. It makes cents, doesn't it? yuk yuk yuk :-P
>>By Majorette (Tuesday, 2 Nov 2004 23:14)
They sell paperbacks of DB here at the news stands (or... news kiosks, as they actually are, but I assume that's an unfamiliar term to the majority?).
But I haven't bought it yet though. Going through Soldier Five at the moment.
>>By ortlieb (Tuesday, 2 Nov 2004 23:27)
Majorette,
You and I are on the same page about the saving money. I actually go to used book stores for most of my books. Except for AM's I'd rather encourage him to write more. This doesn't help with paying postage.
>>By BadTime (Tuesday, 2 Nov 2004 23:32)
Hi Kit Kat and Johnny-boy, nice to see you here
I'm still waiting for Deep Black so can't give you an opinion.
F Troop does not refer to Flork, nice thought though :-)
It refers to Immediate Action, Chapter 19, when AM was in Belize
"part of that was an outfit called F Company, basically a dozen Regiment and SBS blokes. It had quickly been renamed F Troop after the comedy series about a US cavalry unit in the Wild West, manned by a load of bumbling old idiots."
And yes Maj - page 4, page 125 and last page 192 ;-))
Now basically when anyone welcomes you to F Troop he/she is saying that you've just ran into a bunch of idiots. Just so you know ;-)
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 2 Nov 2004 23:32)
If these are the idiots, I shudder to meet the "smart" ones
>>By BadTime (Tuesday, 2 Nov 2004 23:37)
Hey Bad Time i'm a social historian and author and yep according to most i'm still an idiot, i'm missing my village....
Ok fellow F-troopers stand by stand by....Steve Collins The glory boys good guys wear black.. Are they any good what's the sp on his books about SO19..
They look a good read.
>>By brianauthor (Wednesday, 3 Nov 2004 01:28)
Welcome to F Troop, Kit kat and Johnny-boy...
You do realize this is a long-term enlistment... err... commitment, right? ;o)
Err....Brianauthor?
Have you used the "Recomm'd Reading" Database in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AMFTroop/ yet? Camban's reviews include Collins' books. If you type "Collins" in the box next to 'This Table', it will isolate the ones you're asking about.
>>By am-i-binned (Wednesday, 3 Nov 2004 11:35)
Thanks aib, I was gonna say that!
Though I believe that 'Glory Boys' is currently out of print, 'The Good Guys...' is still available, both quite good to read. 'The Trojan Files' by Roger Gray is a similar book (he was on the News last night). If you want them, I will sell my copies of 'Glory Boys' and/or 'The Trojan Files'. Flork me for further info.
>>By camban (Wednesday, 3 Nov 2004 11:56)
There was a discussion about gun related matters a bit back. I was surprised to find that the M16 was just as unreliable as the SA80 in its early days in Vietnam, a lot of men died because of it. It too went through several re-designs before it was trusted by soldiers. Some of them vowed to visit Colt upon their return and wipe out the designers!
>>By camban (Wednesday, 3 Nov 2004 12:04)
The reliability question is a good one...SEAL team six, at least early-on, preferred a revolver to a semi-automatic handgun on the basis that they KNEW it would work. I'm no spec-ops kinda guy, but I agree...I'd rather know I can shoot you six times than hope I can shoot you eighteen times. Also, cqb encounters have borne this out, if you need more than six shots, you probably died around round number four.
I know, I know...What about when you're faced with 145 terrorists, etc...My answer is, maybe a pistol ain't the best choice for that situation.
As for M-16...I'd like to know what current soldiers think of it, especially in the dusty/grainy conditions in Iraq. I'd like to know how it's doin'. Anyone heard/know?
>>By Just Jon (Wednesday, 3 Nov 2004 13:41)
I think even a Delta in "Blackhawk Down" was critical of the M16. He would comment on how the bullets went right through the target. I think that was more a comment on the steel jacketed bullets, small calliber and high velocity.
I have a Marine friend overseas who says it is pretty reliable, if you don't shoot it and clean it every day.
>>By BadTime (Wednesday, 3 Nov 2004 14:31)
I understand that most SF guys now prefer the M16, many have said that they will never use the SA80. SEALs adopted the Stoner as their weapon of choice later in the Vietnam war. As for the 145 terrorists, you just ask them to stand in neat ranks, then the bullets would go through several, thus preserving ammo.
>>By camban (Wednesday, 3 Nov 2004 15:57)
A member of the RM's Marine Arctic Warfare Cadre, was involved in a shoot out with some Argie special forces at a place called Top Malo House, on the falklands...he said on a tv documentary which I remember seeing in 1984, that an Argie officer came charging out at him , and he fired his M16 5 or 6 times at this fella hitting him with each round. The argie only stopped when a round ricochetted off his wrist bones and thence hitting him in the head...the M16 has such a high muzzle velocity and the argie was so hyped up that the rounds which obviously caused bodily damage, didnt 'affect' the guy in this hyped up state...
I was told when being trained on the SA80 that this isnt a problem with this weapon..however having never fired the SA80 in anger then I wouldnt know. But as I said on an earlier post the SLR FN had such a punch to it that in the early days of the Ireland troubles, the IRA gunmen lost guys when they hid behind chimney stacks to snipe on the army..after being spotted the soldiers would just take the bricks out with their rounds hitting whomever was hiding behind them....probably much to their shock and dismay..and if using a tree as cover you had to choose one over a certain diameter otherwise the SLR rounds would just punch straight through.
I have fired an M16 and its a nice weapon with a far better cocking action than the SA80, and it was far lighter than the SLR, the SLR jammed fairly frequently if it wasnt cleaned or the gas setting was wrong, but it was easy to srtrip and reassemble..The SA80 doesnt jam as much..(I never used it in the desert though..we had SLR's still, back then) but its a bastard to clean with more fiddly little parts to disassemble than the other two rifles.....Also if you are left handed then you have to learn how to fire the SA80 righthanded otherwise you get hot shell casings ejected into your cheek!!
>>By ToeKnee (Wednesday, 3 Nov 2004 16:23)
Dear ToeKnee,
I read your piece about top malo house and the RM M&A Cadre, for point of refrence, One of my Dad's best friend's, well his son fought in that battle...
As for me well I always wanted to be a marine, and if anyone gets a chance please go and visit the marine museum in southsea, its well worth a visit..
And remember all F-troopers to get a poppy ....
>>By brianauthor (Wednesday, 3 Nov 2004 19:18)
Thanks for the insight, ya'll...I'm now wondering, how do you feel about international "rules" of war that won't let us use "soft" bullets? I know Special Forces cheat and use hydro-shoks, etc...
Thanks for puttin' up with these lame questions from a civilian.
>>By Just Jon (Wednesday, 3 Nov 2004 20:43)
BBC show cancelled over Iraq
The BBC admitted yesterday it had postponed an episode of Desert Island Discs featuring the former SAS soldier and anti-war critic Andy McNab because of sensitivity about the "hostage situation in Iraq".
McNab, whose book Bravo Two Zero turned him into a best-selling author, recorded the Radio 4 programme three weeks ago but it has since missed two scheduled slots. On Sunday, a substitute programme featured the Olympic rower Matthew Pinsent as Sue Lawley's guest.
(telegraph.co.uk)
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 3 Nov 2004 23:01)
LONDON (Reuters) - Actor Pierce Brosnan has conceded that his days as James Bond are over, and is tipping fellow Irishman Colin Farrell to fill his shoes as the world's most famous spy.
Soooooo..what's it gonna be?? Nick Stone or James Bond ;-))
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 3 Nov 2004 23:39)
Bond.......James Bond and why? well that would be telling?
>>By brianauthor (Thursday, 4 Nov 2004 02:10)
I think bond is an outdated, son-of a-...*****, and needs to make room for our favourite new spy, why none other than a mister stone of course. He had his kicks, let the real guy take care of the jobs from now on.
I need a refrence from you guys (and gals), in last light, after he landed in panama, what was he wearing, I know he had like nylon, kahki pants, but what pistol and shirt did he have? was he even armed? I remember the M16 but was there a pistol? My dog ate my copy of last light so I can't look it up. (i know it's cliche, but, it really did happen).
As to the rest of you, the M16, or M4 as it is used now in Iraq, is known as one of the most reliable small arms of the last century. Although questionable, the first has been said to be the AK. Fully auto seems to be a problem with them though.
I recommend Abebooks in the states for anyone wanting used books. they take cash usually, if you need that kind of thing. I know they also have outlets in the uk also, so if you need cash only, there you go.
Thanks for the info and thanks for the friendly enviroment, peeps.
>>By Johnny-boy (Thursday, 4 Nov 2004 04:15)
I'm saying nothing ......................
>>By brianauthor (Thursday, 4 Nov 2004 13:46)
The AK 47 (not sure about how the 74 is in comparising) is one of the most reliable weapons around (in that category).
The M-16 is more accurate than the AK (although the AK has a different caliber:
7.62x39, and that packs a bigger punch than the 5.56), but the formula is this:
The more high-techy and gadgety anything gets, the bigger is the chance of various thingamajigs breaking.
Just take a look at the Russian made battle tanks and medium tanks. The BMP-2 has about two gauges in the cockpit: one for temperature, the other one for oil pressure. There's a sledge and hammer in the toolkit. That's it.
Friends of mine have witnessed AK 47's being dragged through the mud, for then being used as batons, and they would fire without a single click afterwards. It's also funny that when you remove the safety catch, its first position is "full auto", then "single shot".
I'm not too sure though if the various licensed versions live up to their Russian original.
>>By ortlieb (Thursday, 4 Nov 2004 15:47)
Funny you should mention that "full auto" and "single shot" of the AK47, cos so does Andy in his latest.
>>By Ninjawoman (Thursday, 4 Nov 2004 16:02)
I think I read somewhere that the big problem with M16 was that the gas vented back into the reciever. This caused it to get dirty rather quickly.
They way I hear it is, if you're going to shoot somebody you'd want a larger calibar than the M16. If you have to carry the 200 rds plus, the M16 is just fine.
On another note I was talking to a police officer at the range I shoot at and he told me the police where going from using MP5's to FN P90. It uses the 5.7 round to defeat body armor. He said that the bullpup (kinda like a SA-80) design made it possible to fire one from each hand. After seeing the quality of markmanship of some of the cops here, I can't tell you the chills that gave me.
>>By BadTime (Thursday, 4 Nov 2004 16:31)
Just to add to the debate about the weapons previously, the 5.56mm round that the 16 fires is not meant to kill, it is all part of a battle picture that one wounded soldier requires one to two men to see to him, so effectively taking two to three men out of the battle with one shot. due to the velocity it can go straight through the body, but it's hoped it hits some bone and then deflects inside and rips the internal organs apart, which is essentialy what a dum dum round does but is illegal under the geneva convention, a dum dum round is the crossing of the top of the round with a knife so on impact it either bounces around inside or blows a bigger holee out of the exit ensuring death.
>>By fony (Thursday, 4 Nov 2004 17:04)
Very true Fony,
about the non lethality bit...
And a secondary effect is to demoralise the enemy as well, a screaming wounded man scares the shite out of his mates!! thats the whole point of anti personnel mines, the British Elsie and Ranger would both fit comfortably in the palm of your hand, and they were designed to blow a foot rather than the whole leg off.......screaming victim, scared mates trying to carry him back to aid!!!
Incidentely the British Army has recently radically changed the 1st aid training that it gives...before the whole range was taught, resusictaion the lot, now the squaddies are taught if he's not breathing leave him!!
which is kind of sad if you ask me......
>>By ToeKnee (Thursday, 4 Nov 2004 20:30)
If any-one watched SAS Secrets... they will remember john Mac Fictionally getting his lower leg blown off by one of those mines, (A Toe Popper, Or something like that...)
>>By Shoot-To-Kill (Thursday, 4 Nov 2004 23:41)
Hey, any-one in the us want a copy of B20, on dvd, or Andy McNabs Ultimate Warrior... I can Sort you out with a region-Free CHEAP Copy... Flork Me for Mor Details...
Ohh, and SSSHHHHHhhhhhh..........
>>By Shoot-To-Kill (Thursday, 4 Nov 2004 23:48)
STK,
LOL!
I must admit, that B20 DVD would look mighty fine next to my bootlegged copies of One Upon a Time in China and Fong Sai-Yuk collections.......
Still, I vowed never to return to that life of crime. I, for one, won't be tempted by your nefarious offer unless you can prove it's a legit copy. ;-)
>>By Majorette (Friday, 5 Nov 2004 00:20)
BadTime said: "On another note I was talking to a police officer at the range I shoot at and he told me the police where going from using MP5's to FN P90. It uses the 5.7 round to defeat body armor."
Their markmanship aside, I thought the point of police rounds was to NOT over-penetrate and kill bystanders. Apparently that's out the window now as they more and more tend towards becoming a para-military force.
>>By Just Jon (Friday, 5 Nov 2004 00:47)
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