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>>By Lynn (Saturday, 30 Oct 2004 01:20)
I believe according to the news that H&K is actually not a german company its a british one.
>>By brianauthor (Saturday, 30 Oct 2004 02:09)
Ort, I remember reading somewhere that the original SA-80 A1 , when it actually worked, proved so accurate that the army marksmanship tests had to be redesigned. And apparently the modified SA-80 A2 got some praise from soldiers in Afgahnistan.
>>By Mickalos (Saturday, 30 Oct 2004 02:22)
Was just kiddin Lynn, thanks for that though! Just have to be patient now and wait for my book :)
>>By Big G (Saturday, 30 Oct 2004 02:37)
Ort's right, H&K is a German company, always has been. However, they have for a long time sold aggressively to U.S. and U.K. markets, so I understand the confusion.
Thanks for the 411 re: SA-80 in McNab books, Ort.
Oh, and Lynn--it was a compliment, believe me.
Now, if I can hit ya'll up for one more bit of help...RDX has been in the news lately, and I'm not interested in whether or not any is/was missing from Iraq. My question is, why doesn't the media report that RDX can easily be reclaimed from many "conventional" weapons? To me, RDX is a fine initiator and nothing more, it's not like you need a ton of it. Detonating a nuke is another thing, but, in and of itself, RDX is NOT hard to come by, so why the big deal?
Let me re-phrase--is their a use for RDX that I've missed?
>>By Just Jon (Saturday, 30 Oct 2004 03:18)
I think the development of the SA-80 is very similar to the typical Norwegian Defence Forces approach towards acquiring new equipment:
"We shall do it all by ourselves!! Oh... everything is already available at the market you say? Nah.. sod that! We'll make our own goddamn equipment!"
We've been screwing around with developing and producing our own battlevest model for years now... and it's still a piece of crap.
The UK needed a replacement for the ageing FN FAL. Instead of just buying off-the-shelf M-16's (in all the countless versions there are of that weapon), they had to have a "British Empire Made" weapon. I think it took the SAS 10 mins of trial & error before they decided to go with the M-16 instead.
Norway has supposed to be changing combat weapons for years. We're still humping along with our Norwegian license made G-3's. We're the only country left in NATO to still have 7.62mm as standard ammunition for both personal and squad (machinegun) weapons.
Our special forces can pick 'n choose whatever they like though... Bastards! :-)
Oh well... just a little bleeding army heart there. Sorry guys.
>>By ortlieb (Saturday, 30 Oct 2004 04:31)
"Was just kiddin Lynn, thanks for that though! Just have to be patient now and wait for my book :)"
Oh yes Big G, I did consider it a joke - though it in fact is serious business ;-) And I will be impatiently waiting for.. .eerr.. who's book??
>>By Lynn (Saturday, 30 Oct 2004 14:47)
Well sorry to say Jon but you have it wrong H&K was a german company but was bought by a british company...And its now british..
>>By brianauthor (Saturday, 30 Oct 2004 15:44)
Why does everything have to be so confusing, H&K british, Rolls Royce German. It's so confusing :'(
>>By Mickalos (Saturday, 30 Oct 2004 17:40)
Your telling me...Mick
>>By brianauthor (Saturday, 30 Oct 2004 18:06)
Ortlieb,
one bit of kit we didnt have for years was the norgie (or norwegian army shirt) which was, and is, the best cold weather kit ever...we got issued them in ireland and were allowed to wear them on ex. but it wasn't until the MOD realised that 'silvermans' and 'survival aids' were selling thousands of norgies to squaddies that they decided to include a thinner substandard version in the 'new' uniform.
they even issued a DPM fleece to stop guys buying 'Helly Hansens' but they never got around to your norgie jumper!!
bytheway the SA80 was developed from a weapon which was first concieved in the 40's called the Enfield bullpup...the SA80 is shite compared to the L1A1 SLR (FN), except that its lighter, smaller and a damn sight easier to carry, however the SLR will blow an arm off!! the SA80 will just put a hole in you and providing that hole doesnt kill the enemy in the first instance..then he is still a threat
>>By ToeKnee (Saturday, 30 Oct 2004 22:26)
ToeKnee:
You think the Norgie shirts are the best cold weather kit around? Hmm... Those polo shirts are cotton... They're comfy all right, but I never used them outside the garrison.
When out 'n about, I always wear a thin whool polo shirt combined with a masked undershirt on the skin. Perfect combo (insulating layer of air sandwhiched in between).
Those whool shirts are standard issue now (along with longs), but people were buying the civvie versions for ages. I actually use a civvie version that has both the masked and the whool part in one shirt - the Norwegian "Brynje". To be highly recommended.
>>By ortlieb (Saturday, 30 Oct 2004 22:46)
Thanks for clarifying, brianauthor...Now, if I can just get over Rolls Royce being German...
>>By Just Jon (Sunday, 31 Oct 2004 03:39)
well Ortlieb,
I never worked above the arctic circle or below the antarctic circle, so for northern germany or northern ireland the norgie, when worn with motorbike thermals underneath, was the doggies swingers for keeping out the cold, far better than the KF shirt which was standard issue...itchiest shirts known to man!! would have been perfect for medievel (spelling!!!!!) hairshirts!!.
thats one thing we envied special forces for, they could where what they wanted, cos it worked!! for example we were issued old Denim trousers in ireland cos they didnt melt onto your skin if you got caught by a petrol bomb, but you wear them in garrison in the UK and its a crime comparable to raping the CO's dogs.
>>By ToeKnee (Sunday, 31 Oct 2004 10:09)
'wear what they wanted', is what I meant to say...oooops
>>By ToeKnee (Sunday, 31 Oct 2004 13:14)
<<Now, if I can just get over Rolls Royce being German...>>
Here's another one for ya: Despite the Scandinavian-sounding name, Haagen-Dazs is an American company. Well, it WAS anyway.... until the Swiss Nestle bought them out.
I dunno. That one floored me.
>>By Majorette (Sunday, 31 Oct 2004 19:57)
That's odd, Majorette, both for the obvious reason and because someone thought Scandinavian would imply better ice-cream. I mean, it's cold there, wouldn't they eat LESS ice-cream than we do in the U.S.?
Now, if someone tells me Guiness is made in Mexico, I'm gonna scream.
One more thing...Does anyone know where I might find decent pictures of the old Stirling Lines at Hereford? I've seen a satellite photo, but that's it, and I can't fathom why it would be classified at this point. I appreciate any help ya'll can give, thanks.
>>By Just Jon (Monday, 1 Nov 2004 04:33)
<< I mean, it's cold there, wouldn't they eat LESS ice-cream than we do in the U.S.?>>
Not necessarily..... when I think back on my ice cream experiences, I can honestly say without reservation that the best ice cream I have ever had was in Moscow.
They know their ice cream in Russia.
>>By Majorette (Monday, 1 Nov 2004 12:39)
"After crawling out from their snow caves in the morning, the first thing the Norwegians experience, are the withdrawel abstinences for ice cream.
They are literally ice cream junkies!
Then, after having the ice cream breakfast (or if it's a crisis, they will settle for eating snow), they waddle out to the coast line and try to steal the fish away from the polar bears.
If that doesn't work out, they will tend to settle for clubbing some baby seals or harpooning a whale or two - just to let off some steam..."
-- Sir David Attenburough
(from one National Geographic episode that never made it from the editing room)
>>By ortlieb (Monday, 1 Nov 2004 12:50)
Testing
>>By ortlieb (Monday, 1 Nov 2004 12:57)
Just finished reading Dark Winter last night, and I have to admit that I was envisioning an alternative ending.
When Nick was taken to the Indian resturant to RV with the source, and the source said that "he had no way of knowing that the contents in the wine bottles was authentic", I thought for sure he would expose Kelly of the nasty stuff.
Then, as the nastyness progressed (I had a suspicion that AM wrote about the ASU's in Germany and them being sick as a lay-up for this), I figured NS would be presented with the option of relieving Kelly of her misery. But AM wouldn't be that cruel, would he?
Oh well.... that's what happens when people go on about how gory the ending would be. It wasn't the huge climax I thought it would be actually....
But I guess this way, AM found a way to get rid of the reoccuring reason (Kelly) for Nick being the door mat all the time...
>>By ortlieb (Monday, 1 Nov 2004 13:03)
Just Jon, not sure where you are from but a chap is selling some photo's from SL on ebay.co.uk have a look at them by typing the numbers in from below. 3 different pics in all, not sure if he is adding more.
Cheers
G
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>>By Big G (Monday, 1 Nov 2004 21:47)
Hello, I have just joined.
Has anyone read his new book : Deep Black?
What did you think
>>By kit kat (Monday, 1 Nov 2004 23:18)
I haven't read it yet but a few people in here have. Ask them personally but please don't ruin it for the rest of us. If you don't already know me, I'm John ( a nig). I've probably met a few of you, I was wondering if any of you know anything about the crisis four movie by miramax. I havent' heard anything since 9/11. Thanks F troop.
>>By Johnny-boy (Tuesday, 2 Nov 2004 01:13)
one more question, does anyone know why the last two books from AM haven't been released to the States? I've had to special deliver them from Dublin and London. And belive me the shipping charges will make you pay out the *** for a hardback. Sorry to get late to the party about the personal copy of DB. But, thanks anyways AIB. If any of you want to discuss AM mano a mano: johnathandavisdelta@msn.com My door is always open. Thanks F troop.
>>By Johnny-boy (Tuesday, 2 Nov 2004 03:18)
Dear kit kat and johnny boy welcome to f-troop,
Ok Kit kat your question first yes i have read it... I have sent you a opinion of what i thought please do not share my opinion though on here as some havent read it, and its not fare to all the other f troopers..
Johnny well there is a company here called play.com
it has started to do books and they are not bad in price... I'm not sure how much shipping you would have to pay or what it would cost , but worth a look
>>By brianauthor (Tuesday, 2 Nov 2004 16:54)
Hi Boys,
Thanks for getting back to me. I am in the middle of reading it. As you will find out this is all a bit new to me. What is F Troop?
>>By kit kat (Tuesday, 2 Nov 2004 21:47)
Johnny-boy,
I agree about the difficulty in getting AM books. I've been ordering the new releases from amazon.uk when possible. The shipping certainly goes over my book allowance. I just moved the purchase of AM books over to essentials, now every thing balances.
kit kat
I believe F Troop refers to "Flork". Haven't read it yet waiting on the shipping.
>>By BadTime (Tuesday, 2 Nov 2004 22:31)
Hi Kit Kat,
Welcome to the McNab board and to F Troop.
F Troop is what we call ourselves. I think if you read page 4 you will find the very first reference to F Troop. An explanation can also be found on page 192, I believe. (Lynn, be a dear and set me straight if I'm wrong. You know this stuff better than me. ;-)
>>By Majorette (Tuesday, 2 Nov 2004 22:47)
Johnny-boy & BadTime...
For past releases, I've ordered through Amazon.ca. They get McNab's books faster in Canada than they do in the States and the S/H is a little less than what you'd pay from the UK.
Unfortunately, they don't ALWAYS get the books faster. As I look online right now it appears they do not have Deep Black listed....
>>By Majorette (Tuesday, 2 Nov 2004 22:55)
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