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Kinda funny....
>>By ortlieb (Tuesday, 26 Oct 2004 16:45)
Orty-
Concur.....
That, and the references to Tony "Hawks" and "Arrowsmith" (gasp!) made me smile.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to listen to one of my "Beetles" albums. ;-)
>>By Majorette (Tuesday, 26 Oct 2004 17:01)
So NIck Stone is in Bosnia, and he has his Gilly suit and his LTD and his jerry can full of piss and his bags of doo-doo...This can mean only one thing i'm reading Deep Black, whoooooo - Hooooooo
>>By brianauthor (Tuesday, 26 Oct 2004 18:52)
Rub it in Bri! ;-)
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 26 Oct 2004 19:05)
Ok then, i got my copy in the local market town, in wh smiths had £3 pound off plus it was in the buy one get another at half price sale....Its an amazing book the cover is all shimmery, and its smells of that new book smell, so now i'm going to have shepards pie from marks for tea, then will snuggle up with a pot of tea and a packet of chocolate digestive biscuits Lynn and read Deep Black...
Sorry you havent had your copy but thats probably down to royal mail the sooner we get fed ex and ups here the happier i'll be... mail service what a joke...
>>By brianauthor (Tuesday, 26 Oct 2004 19:16)
To all us Brits on here.
John Pell passed away today, he gave us the music of our childhoods and the music we love as adults. he was a beacon who gave us the bands that shaped music even today... From one brit to a liverpudllian.. you will be missed and our world is a lot sadder without you... God bless and love to you and especially your family from every brit who listened to your show.
>>By brianauthor (Tuesday, 26 Oct 2004 20:53)
I think we should all play teenage kicks in memory of him.
>>By Mickalos (Tuesday, 26 Oct 2004 21:58)
One other thing I've been thinking lately, is that the fact that Kelly is absent from the storytelling in Last Light and Liberation Day is the reason for them to be less-than-thrilling.
Personally, I enjoyed Last Light, but LL and LD still rank as the worst ones in the NS series for me personally.
Perhaps the Kelly conflict has been AM's lifejacket in terms of keeping the readers interest?
Also.... Nick mentions he's always had his skin on his belly chafed raw from the hammer of his Browning pistol tucked away in his pants. Hmm.. Nickie boy... ever heard of tape?
And won't keeping the line constantly open on the moan-phones drain the battery in no-time?
>>By ortlieb (Tuesday, 26 Oct 2004 22:58)
No way Ort. ,
Last Light not only being the first AM book that I read , but in my humble opinion very good. Why? I got the willies when ol' Nick was crawling across the jungle floor. and the discription of the buggies moving around him. Really good stuff. I also enjoyed that way the story progressed to the conclusion. Got me hooked to this point. So that says something for him.
Have you all noticed AM's discriptive power?
>>By DTO (Wednesday, 27 Oct 2004 00:01)
Discriptive power combined with first person narrative is not a coincidence I suspect.
What I'd like for Nick Stone to be -- just for once -- is to be a cold hearted and pragmatic bastard. Just once... He keeps getting f***ed over by the people he trusts. I'd like for him to snap one day, fit his Browning with a silencer, and venture on to a killing spree - whacking off everyone who's given him a hard time. A cold hearted killer, seeking revenge and justice.... No... ? Hmm... well, maybe not. But it would be cool to have it in a computer game though.
Nick Stone mixes gene pools with 47... Hmm.... I see profit here.
Maybe Transworld and IO Interactive should have lunch one of these days? ;-)
By the way -- those of you who have no idea who 47 or IO Interactive is:
Google +hitman +"io interactive" (it's computer game stuff)
>>By ortlieb (Wednesday, 27 Oct 2004 03:00)
Ooo hasn't it been exciting here over the past day or so.
I aint going to get all excited like some have but then again I aint forgot that this board is about a certain writer by the name of Andy McNab and not the Samaritans website.
Guys if you don't like this and you don't like that and you don't like what someone says.... tough shit it happens, get on with your lives and be grateful you have one instead of feeling sorry for yourselves or wanting someone to get the violin out for you. Gulf War to Gary's Cafe, you chose your job not anyone else.
We all choose our path in life, if you pick the wrong one then change, like the bag 'eds you see walkin the street sellin the big issue for some more smack or just naggin you to 'spare some change' get a feckin job loser, I have and if you really want one then do somethin about it. I aint whingin about the world or trying to say what's right and wrong but I wasn't born into money and neither were my parents but if you want something then work for it, they did, I am and I'm sure plenty others do. Yes our country is run by a pillock and so is the US but that's what the majority choose so if you want to make a difference don't sit and whine on a website, get off your fat arse and vote for someone else!!
As for rememberence day and stuff like that, let's not forget WWI & WWII people didn't have a choice so as for someones comments before about not bothering to remember then that's your choice but they fought that war for themselves, you and me so be pleased you aint talkin German, I am!! Nowadays you do have a choice, so if you choose to join the forces then you know you may get killed or injured, lose a leg or an arm but shit happens and that's the path you chose!
I know a few lads who have bin or are in the forces and none of them feel superior to civvies, like me they see themselves as no better or worse than anyone else, they do there job and I do mine. Perhaps that person who said about squaddies feeling superior is more to do with your own circle rather than in general or maybe they feel that we owe them something?
Anyway, apologies for going off topic.
Ortlieb he switches the moan phone off when it aint bein used mate ;)
I also agree with DTO, I think Last Light was a crackin book but do admit that Liberation Day did drag on a touch with all the click click here and click click there but hey, we bought it and read it :)
>>By Big G (Wednesday, 27 Oct 2004 03:19)
Ooo and for those of you based in the UK or use Ebay then here you go. A bloody bargain!!
Go to www.ebay.co.uk then type in this number into the search box 2497773469
And you will possibly be able to bid/buy the best book I've read related to Bravo Two Zero.
>>By Big G (Wednesday, 27 Oct 2004 03:27)
I prefer bravo two zero but soldier five somes in at a very close second. It deffinately kicks the shit out the one the got away and the real bravo two zero
>>By Mickalos (Wednesday, 27 Oct 2004 06:47)
OOOOOOH big G..
there spoketh a true civvy!!!
>>By ToeKnee (Wednesday, 27 Oct 2004 08:58)
chapter one of DB, finished, so far its ok, nothing really special, starts out in Bosnia, wont tell you, dont want to spoil it... it jumps forward and he back in the states... in chapter 2... i hope this wont turn out to be another LD...Anyone further along than me... without giving away the ending or any spoliers leave me know if it picks up in pace...
>>By brianauthor (Wednesday, 27 Oct 2004 12:43)
Brian old chap, it would be kind if those of us who have read, or are reading DB, keep quiet about it until the others catch up. Remember that many are abroad and haven't got it yet. I've finished the book and will only advise that you keep going with an open mind; you won't be disappointed, OK?
>>By camban (Wednesday, 27 Oct 2004 17:33)
Mums the word Cam.......
>>By brianauthor (Wednesday, 27 Oct 2004 17:46)
Correct ToeKnee but not that difficult to work out.
I assume you chose to join the forces, therefore doing what you wanted to do but clearly not the right idea now that you have aged.
No offence mate but your previous post makes out as if 'we' civvies owe you something as it's a shitty job, poorly paid, under equipped for duty and life threatening. Granted I haven't been in the forces so can't confirm any of this but you have, again going back to my previous post, you chose the path so don't moan about it.
Im sure the likes of AM and Co. don't see that we should be forever indebted to them but I'm sure those in Isreal are. Whilst I don't personally know anyone in the SAS (not that I know of) I have the upmost respect for them and what they do as it takes some serious balls, grit, attitude and total self belief to carry out the kind of tasks given to them and for that I'm happy to look to these guys as one of a kind, whether they give a shit or not, which I'm sure they don't!! :)
>>By Big G (Wednesday, 27 Oct 2004 19:47)
Given some of the tension expressed here recently regarding US vs UK forces, I've hesitated to post a particular link, but I keep thinking of this comment from reporter Evan Wright, who was in central Iraq with a Marine special forces unit that was leading the charge toward Baghdad. The Marine First Reconnaissance Battalion's task was to go in "ahead of the main Marine invasion force, and... seek out enemy ambushes by driving into them."
Excerpt:
"... I ask him what the hell we're doing just waiting around while the bombs fall. His response is sobering. He tells me the platoon is about to be sent on a suicide mission. "Our job is to kamikaze into the city and collect casualties," he says.
"How many casualties are there?" I ask.
"Casualties?" he says. "They're not there yet. We're the reaction force for an attack that's coming across the bridge. We go in during the fight to pick up the wounded."
I don't know why, but the idea of waiting around for casualties that don't exist yet strikes me as more macabre than the idea of actual casualties. Yet despite how much it sucks here -- by this bridge, taking heavy fire -- it's kind of exciting, too. I had almost looked down on the Marines' shows of moto, the way they shouted "get some" and acted all excited about being in a fight. But the fact is, there's a definite sense of exhilaration every time there's an explosion and you're still there afterward. There's another kind of exhilaration, too. Everyone is side by side facing the same big fear: death. Usually, death is pushed to the fringes of things you do in the civilian world. Most people face their end pretty much alone, with a few family members if they are lucky. Here, the Marines face death together, in their youth. If anyone dies, he will do so surrounded by the very best friends he believes he will ever have. ... "
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Wright's experience led to "The Killer Elite," this year's winner of the National Magazine Award for Excellence in Reporting. If you want the link, flork me...
>>By am-i-binned (Wednesday, 27 Oct 2004 20:10)
In reply,
"I assume you chose to join the forces, therefore doing what you wanted to do but clearly not the right idea now that you have aged."
Big G you clearly have no concept of the diffference between military ops, such as the Gulf war, and peacekeeping ops, such as Bosnia, Kosovo and whats happening now in Iraq.
yes I joined the forces with the thought that I may be called upon to do my bit..and back then it was Northern Ireland...which was a great experience. OK it was IS (Internal security) and not pure all out war orbat ops but it was good work...Then came the Gulf...what a f**kin trip, excellent stuff.....what I was trained for, exhilarating, awesome and the scariest thing I've ever done....
Now comes the bit I disagree with, you send troops out to keep the peace in Bosnia to watch innocent people being slaughtered and raped, and dont let them initiate military action for fear of political fallout...no you have to wait until you are fired upon before you can fire back so that the politicos and whitehall men look as though they are doing thier bit for world peace!!
people die that way or they get maimed and dont get adequate compensation for a total and devastating change in their life..and you think that they should like it and lump it..bollocks you civvies would be the first to whine..the unions call strikes because tea breaks arent long enough, or because a blackboard is rascist and should be called a chalk board.. but a guy who gets maimed doing a policemans job is supposed to be happy as larry and keep stumm...really!!!..thats what I didnt join up for and thats one of the reasons why I left...so to coin your phrase "We all choose our path in life, if you pick the wrong one then change" thats exactly what I did pal!!
"so if you want to make a difference don't sit and whine on a website, get off your fat arse and vote for someone else!! "
if the vote was every day then I'd be voting every day...why assume that I'm sat on my 'fat arse' whining...i am voicing an opinion thats all, its such a bullshit copout to say vote for someone else..what d'ya think I'm f**kin doing? I'm waiting for the elections like every other schmuck out there!!
"I know a few lads who have bin or are in the forces and none of them feel superior to civvies"
oooh really you know a few lads!! but you dont know what they talk about in the Naafi bar, so they havent told you how they feel about civvies...ergo they must feel on a par with civvies...mmmm well I know hundreds of the bastards and I do know what they think about civvies...but of course you probably wouldnt believe that cos i'm just a bitter old squaddie!! and as I said before it isnt personnal we still had civvy friends..but the group concept of 'civvy' was looked down upon full stop.
and lastly I dont think anyone owes me anything, I dont feel that the nation is indebted to me at all...however in reply to Brianauthors comments on better education grants and hospitals for the ex military i think that is a cracking idea...so why does that mean that I am whining about feeling that i am owed something?
I have a cracking job now and I certainly dont need government handouts or education grants...but lots of ex squaddies do..you reckon we shouldn forget the old soldiers but then accuse us of whining if we should call for better pay pensions etc etc..thats a wee bit two faced I think.
to all you AM fans I am really sorry that this post wasnt about AM or his books, but I do feel some answer was needed...I'll shut up now
>>By ToeKnee (Wednesday, 27 Oct 2004 20:38)
Ahh the sounds of a bitter man.
Don't judge all people in the forces on what a few may say, like I said the guys I know don't treat me with disrespect, they treat me as a mate and that's good enough for me. As for your comments about 'getting off your fat arse,' it wasn't aimed at you but obviously you feel a slight similarity so I won't concern myself with that one anymore.
As for whining about unions and blackboards, I aint a part of any union, Im capable of arguing my own case and calling things the names I want to call them, like a black board is a black board, it's Baa Baa Black Sheep and not brown sheep or pink or whatever that dick head Tony Blair wishes it was. I'm not interested in political correctness, thank god I was at school years ago and not brought up like the poor sods of today are.
I'm quite aware of the difference between PK Ops and Military Ops thanks, the point was you never said what it was you did, just said you had spent time in the forces, you could have been a chef, a major or a potwash for all I care.
Anyway I'm sure the readers and posters on this site have had enough of reading our waffle so I wont pass comment about this again, the whole thing started from your negative attitude when someone mentioned rememberence day and you basically frowned upon the idea.
Like I said before, I will remember those from WWI & WWII and I'm sure many others will, if you choose not to then so be it.
>>By Big G (Thursday, 28 Oct 2004 06:18)
For those who's Deep Black have not arrived yet, Transworld is providing an extract from the audio. Anyone who wants to hear the first 4.42 min of the book:
http://www.booksattransworld.co.uk/
catalog/book.htm?command=Search&db=twmain.txt
&eqisbndata=0593050282
>>By Lynn (Thursday, 28 Oct 2004 12:13)
A little warning though..... when you do decide to listen you might want to shoot the postman for being late.
Sigh.
>>By Lynn (Thursday, 28 Oct 2004 12:21)
And anyone interested:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&category=1118&item=
7930119529&rd=1
>>By Lynn (Thursday, 28 Oct 2004 12:44)
Bravo Big G,
you'ld make a damn fine Rupert
>>By ToeKnee (Thursday, 28 Oct 2004 13:54)
Up here in the freezing north, they're now selling Deep Black (paperback edition, but it's curiously the "big" size as the hardcover ones) over the counter at the newskiosk shops.
Haven't plowed through Dark Winter just yet, so DB will have to wait.
>>By ortlieb (Thursday, 28 Oct 2004 15:12)
Lynn Im not going to shoot the postman, Im going to shoot you :p
I'm now sat bemused as to why I talked myself into listening to the extract when I dont have the book to continue and find out whether it finished 3-0 ;)
Thanks for that, certainly sets the scene of what's to come.
>>By Big G (Friday, 29 Oct 2004 16:30)
Ouch Big G - and here I was thinking I'd done ppl a favour by posting that link, hehehe ;-)
>>By Lynn (Friday, 29 Oct 2004 19:22)
For those who may not know, Google does not use a bot to crawl the web and index sites...Instead, they just call Lynn, Supreme Mistress of Hrefs.
Quick question--can anyone recall off-hand if the SA-80 is used in any Nick Stone books?
Thanks.
>>By Just Jon (Friday, 29 Oct 2004 20:23)
Jon:
I'm over half way through Dark Winter, and noone has used the SA-80 from Remote Control and up to this point.
NS might've mentioned them at some point though, explaining how atrociously bad the
SA-80's are renowned to be.
I think the new modified version (they had to have Germans do the job of course - at Heckler & Koch) isn't too bad though. I'm just pulling this out from the top of my head... I'm sure detailed information is out there to be Googled.
>>By ortlieb (Friday, 29 Oct 2004 22:53)
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