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On second thought, Silent Bob did have some serious moves in Dogma. Remember that train scene? and his witty "No ticket" one-liner which he unabashadly stole from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade?
He'd have to lose some major poundage, though. I don't envision NS being quite so.... round.
>>By Majorette (Thursday, 14 Oct 2004 16:47)
No just think Nick stone is cornerd by some evil doer and there he comes face to face with silent bob... I mean silent bob, you could imagine it next thing they sitting down sharing the odd pizza hahahaha and listening to pink floyd albums its got summer blockbuster written all over it Maj
>>By Xander Cage (Thursday, 14 Oct 2004 16:54)
Ps on the bottom of page 209 i put a joke for all those who have a sense of humour so thats just me and mak so far.. hahaha
>>By Xander Cage (Thursday, 14 Oct 2004 16:56)
Does anyone know where I can find a detailed ish account of the bravo two zero mission that can be copied and pasted?
Thanks
>>By Mickalos (Thursday, 14 Oct 2004 19:07)
Hehehe, was looking for you Mickalos,
try this:
http://home.planet.nl/~egmon007/BravoTwoZero.htm
If you try copy it's got a ...eerrmm.... great message LOL
Now of course there's a way around this, so let me tell.......
1 mo, knocking on my door....
>>By Lynn (Thursday, 14 Oct 2004 21:37)
Heh, there's a way around it alright, download everything on their site...Why read it in notepad when you can have pictures and all?
>>By Just Jon (Thursday, 14 Oct 2004 22:35)
I started reading Bravo Two Zero this evening. My first impression is that McNab is very different from Tom Clancy. Clancy loves detail and at times his books read like technical manuals. Clancy is interesting in his own way, but his books take patience. McNab, so far, is the opposite. His style is sparse. He has a just the facts ma'am storytelling style. He tells you what you need to know and moves on. There's just enough incidental detail to give the reader a feel for the situation. I thought it was funny that the soldiers couldn't understand one of the instructors because he had a Geordie accent. There are so many different dialects in Britain. I once saw a TV documentary about some teenagers in Sheffield. It came with subtitles for the Canadian audience.
>>By Mikey_Canuck (Friday, 15 Oct 2004 00:42)
Mikey, you're exactly right.
Tom Clancy is a jock-sniffing nerd whereas McNab is the real deal...Clancy seems to think Special Forces is made up of ex-choirboys who study ballistic data for each bullet manufacturer and play chess when they're not out being ultra-patriots.
I welcome any new McNab fan to the fold, and I'm glad you see that the only thing Clancy and McNab have in common is writing books.
Clancy TRIES to claim he's a "just the facts" kind of guy, and as far as a bunch of squids on a sub goes, he probably is. When it comes to the ridiculously unbelievable "Clark" character, though, we see that he suffers from a clear shortage of insight in that he's an ex-insurance salesman talking about people who wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.
Clancy is the ultimate wannabe, right down to the Ray-Bans and khaki shirt. The fact that he's not even a Spec Ops wannabe, but rather a Sonar Operator wannabe, speaks volumes about what a faggot he must be in real life. I read a Writer's Digest interview with Clancy during which he brandished a gun at the interviewer...What a bad-ass!
Basically, I'm begging you, don't mention Tom Clancy and Andy McNab together in the same paragraph again, it's an insult to Andy McNab.
>>By Just Jon (Friday, 15 Oct 2004 01:36)
OK Jon. I'll keep my references to Clancy down to a minimum. From now on it's all about McNab. LOL
>>By Mikey_Canuck (Friday, 15 Oct 2004 02:13)
Aww dawgonnit, Just Jon!
One of these days you're gonna have to quit obfuscating and just tell us what you really think! Ooops! Today's the day! LOL!!!
Pssst, Mikey...?
Feel free to TC-speak with me whenever, wherever, so long as it's mainly early (pre-Prez) Ryan-verse. And, in fact, (hey, Just Jon, cover your eyes!) I always liked the unbelievable Mr. John Clark... well, that is until 2+ years ago when I discovered AM (and Nick Stone) after which ALL others paled by comparison... ;o)
>>By am-i-binned (Friday, 15 Oct 2004 07:26)
The best answer for the actor question will be to use an unknown chosen by AM as a close match for how he sees Nick, then the actor can make the character his own for when all the books are made into films, OK?
Remember, most 'stars' are overpaid wankers anyway ;0)
>>By camban (Friday, 15 Oct 2004 16:07)
Why not let F Troop play all the characters.. that way we'll know for sure it will NOT be Hollywood ;-))
>>By Lynn (Friday, 15 Oct 2004 16:14)
Great idea Lynn, do you think that Nick can be visualised as a balding, paunchy fifty four year old? Don't see why not myself. Where's that casting couch?
>>By camban (Friday, 15 Oct 2004 17:14)
Maybe Thermoman should play the part of NS, that way we'll have a happy ending for sure.
>>By spiketheprovo (Friday, 15 Oct 2004 18:37)
I agree with Camban, an unknown would indeed be the best choice to play Nick Stone. "Leading Men" types generally play themselves; a solid character actor would definitely be more believable.
>>By Just Jon (Friday, 15 Oct 2004 19:30)
>I agree with Camban, an unknown would indeed be the best choice to play Nick Stone. >"Leading Men" types generally play themselves; a solid character actor would definitely be >more believable.
>>By Just Jon
Oh, I know!! Jim Carrey!! Or... Jim Belushi?! Or.... Eddie Murphy ?? :-D
No ... ? Bunch o' wankahs, all of yous.... ;-)
>>By ortlieb (Friday, 15 Oct 2004 22:22)
In the part of Bravo Two Zero I read today, McNab talks about Shiny Kit Syndrome. Basically, men just taking equipment because it might prove useful, but leaving other guys to do without. I have no military experience. I don't know how things work, but I was kind of appalled reading this, because equipment can mean the difference between life and death. If equipment allocation is basically first come first serve combined with pilfering from other guys and other units aren't you endangering peoples' lives? Does anyone with a military background care to comment?
>>By Mikey_Canuck (Saturday, 16 Oct 2004 07:56)
From what I understand it's not just used in military, it's just a sort of addiction to get/buy/take shiny objects (can be anything from high tech stuff to bike accessoires and of course the military had its shiny objects) but in this case indeed.. interesting to hear if it would be considered endangering other lives (which is not very likely the case with high tech or bike stuff)
I ran into a funny suggestion "I suggest buying a 25m roll of aluminium foil and wrapping inanimate objects with it.
This way you can have a variety of interestingly shaped gizmos that are shiny, but for a fraction of the cost"
Now I've 'heard' of clingfilm... maybe exchange that for aluminium foil
might do the trick..? ;-)
>>By Lynn (Saturday, 16 Oct 2004 10:53)
LOL, Lynn!
... sick but LOL anyway!
Mikey...
"shiny kit syndrome" is discussed in several of the type books we read, and I'm sure Ortlieb and/or Camban can site more appropriate references, but, for the moment, your comment reminded me of a passage Cameron Spence (A Squadron) wrote in his book, Sabre Squadron:
... A bunch of us had gone over to D Squadron's hangar on the night of 16 January to find out if they had been assigned better missions than us.
I walked in and heard the usual cry from within: "Careful, lads, A Squadron's on the ground. Watch your kit!" On this occasion, a few of the boys from B Squadron had also come over from their hangar, so there was quite a party going. One of the first people I ran into was a 'cockney-sparrer' type with an impish grin and an iron handshake. Despite being on different squadrons we'd known each other for a while and got on well. "Andy, give us a couple of grenades, will you," I said, getting into the part.
"Why? You lot must have hundreds."
"I know, mate, but for where we're going, hundreds just ain't going to be enough ... really." I sucked my teeth, giving the performance extra welly. "Love to tell you more and all that, but --"
McNab's face cracked a smile and he delivered a well-aimed rabbit-punch in the vicinity of my solar plexus. "Fuck off, Cammy," he said. "You guys wouldn't even know where to find the pin."
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 16 Oct 2004 15:35)
argh, damn typoman... "cite" (not site)... :o(
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 16 Oct 2004 16:08)
Since ppl already know I'm wierd I'm not afraid to share my thoughts here.. came up combining the 'iron handshake' the 'clingfilm' and an F Troop question from INK I remember, 'longest time spend in a ditch'. Now AM answered "Three weeks" (South Armagh).
Now.. I know at least some of us would like to shake his hand one day so suppose.. he comes creeping out of that ditch, after 3 weeks of clingfilm and you're face to face with AM. Feel the dilemma????
;-))
>>By Lynn (Saturday, 16 Oct 2004 17:10)
Oh one other thing.. while all booksites mention Deep Black being published the 4th of November, Transworld mentions the 1st of November
>>By Lynn (Saturday, 16 Oct 2004 17:48)
Ugh!
Anyone after three weeks in a ditch would be... errr... well... a bit ripe. Regardless.
However, setting that particular reality aside, a *very* "face-to-face" encounter has appeal... :o)
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 16 Oct 2004 17:48)
Mikey:
The rule of shiny kit is pretty simple: "If it's shiny, you nick it!"
I can only speak from my own experience with the Norwegian Army, but I suspect it's similar in other units as well.
Each team/squad will usually have their own section at the equipment depot where all of the team equipment is being stored (fuel cans, cooking stoves, radios, batteries, camo nets, NVG's, etc. etc. etc). When the patrol receives its mission, it's up to the patrol commander to decide what kit should be utilized, and in what quantity (usaully, he'll have the 2IC take care of the practical matters related to the packing of kit, as the patrol commander is quite busy planning the operation).
Now, in a live situation (and certainly for the "big boys" in Special Forces units), they will have to pack ammunition, explosives, and "special" equipment that is essential to carry out the task given to the team. In the SAS, they have the SQSM (Squadron Quartermaster Sergeant Major) as the "big kahuna" that's in charge of what and how much "shiny kit" each team is to get their greedy paws on.
Now, for Gulf War 1, the whole deployment of the Regiment was largely a cock-up from start to finish. Read chapter 15, "Gulf War 1990-91" in Ken Connor's book "Ghost Force"
(ISBN: 0-304-363677-7) for a very interesting read.
I'm allowing myself to quote a paragraph from this book that deals with the problems with not having proper maps (as I'm sure everybody remembers from the B20-book, etc).
"In addition to the communications problems, there was also no mapping of Iraq other than the air-navigation maps, no aerial photographs nor satellite images, and nowhere near enough GPS systems or Tacbe's (tactical beacons), also known as SARBE's (search & rescue beacons).
At the briefing prior to their departure, the SAS men had been shown good mapping, air photography, and satellite imagery of their potential areas of deployment, and promised that it would all be available to them in the Gulf. None ever arrived. As they were later to discover in the ambush of the Gaz vehicle [-- referring to an A Squadron contact with two Iraqi jeeps --], the Iraqis had better mapping than they did.
The Iraqis do not manufacture their own maps, yet they were able to issue 1:100,000 scale maps to their troops. Iraq was a former British dependency; the maps did exist. I could have walked into a specialist shop like Stanford's in Covent Garden and bought them off the shelf. Yet some SAS staff officer had not bothered to get off his arse and procure them for troops going into battle.
Even if none had been available, both the British and the Americans have a computer-controlled system that can produce a working 1:50,000 map - the ideal map for operations of this type - from air reconnaissance photographs within a couple of hours. The technology is twenty years old. Why it was not used to produce maps for the SAS and the other forces operating in Iraq is a question that has yet to be answered."
>>By ortlieb (Saturday, 16 Oct 2004 20:33)
Fanx, O! :oD
See, what did I tell ya, Mikey? :o)
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 16 Oct 2004 21:13)
Are you sure it isn't just 'boys and their toy's ?
Thank you Lynn for the idea of letting us ( F-Troop) play/act out the characters!! It is the only way to do it, since we are the people who live and breath Andy/Nick.... well some more then others but we can work around that. Btw I am keeping a low profile in Crisis Four, I am savig my looks till we film Last Light !! *rotflmao*
>>By Ninjawoman (Saturday, 16 Oct 2004 22:12)
Talk about DTM !!! It should be, "I am saving my looks till we film Last Light."
Still.. you know what I mean ?
>>By Ninjawoman (Saturday, 16 Oct 2004 22:15)
Cool, Ninj, you save your looks and I'll save my virginity. Meet ya on set.
>>By Just Jon (Saturday, 16 Oct 2004 22:21)
In case anybody is interested.....
Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 8:00 PM on Discovery Times Channel:
Warrior: From Civilian to Soldier
Enter the mind of combat soldiers to learn how the military prepares them to kill for their country. Live-fire exercises, full-scale war games and actual deployment highlight the personal repercussions of war on soldiers from the U.S., U.K. and Israel.
>>By Majorette (Saturday, 16 Oct 2004 22:34)
Orlieb wrote:
> The rule of shiny kit is pretty simple: "If it's shiny, you nick it!"
That's what it sounds like in the book.
> Now, for Gulf War 1, the whole deployment of the Regiment was largely a cock-up from start to finish.
That's the impression I got. I love maps, so that business about not having proper one stuck out.
> Read chapter 15, "Gulf War 1990-91" in Ken Connor's book "Ghost Force"
(ISBN: 0-304-363677-7) for a very interesting read.
Thanks for the recommendation. Thanks too for your answer. I appeciate it.
>>By Mikey_Canuck (Saturday, 16 Oct 2004 23:26)
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