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>>By camban (Friday, 18 Jun 2004 12:07)
Ooops they did it again :
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/
international/story/
0,6903,1232444,00.html
plus another interesting thingy I came up with :
"'men don't want to read about dating and relationships. They want to read about money, sex and people beating the system'.
What does this mean for authors who set out to write books about dating and relationships from a male perspective, for a male audience?Women are still better equipped for fiction than most men: 'Women have a greater imagination; they imagine the lives of the characters to a degree that I suspect male readers don't.'
So marketing chick lit for men is still an uphill struggle? 'The thing is,' , men prefer Boys' Own stories about the SAS and true-life gangsters because it's men living life the way you suspect men are supposed to live their lives but are a little too scared to do so.' Men respond to books like Andy McNab's Bravo Two Zero because 'they reflect the culture of men down the pub telling stories about the time they did something very stupid and could quite easily have lost their lives. Fiction is far too obviously made up'.
then I found this :
"Greed belongs to the genre created by Andy McNab: the breathless SAS novel, perfect perhaps for our frenzied lives. I remember speaking to McNab once, in a breathless kind of way, and asking how, at the age of 34 and despite having been overseas for much of his career, he had not only managed to clock up four wives, but also how on one occasion, realising in the middle of the night that the relationship was not working, he jumped out of the first-floor window of his house to escape from his domestic arrangement by a route quicker than the stairs. Well, he said, in the regiment, you just have to crack on. This was the philosophy behind SAS prose, too, and so I read Greed in that spirit.
It proved what all bestseller lists prove - that very bad books continually compete for space with very good ones, and that people read for different reasons. It also contained my favourite two sentences of the entire seven days: 'I'm not going on another mission, no matter what happens. I'm staying right here with you.' I appreciated these lines not so much for their rhythm, or even for the fact that they suggested that, unlike Lieutenant Sharpe, Matt Browning would not be granted a sequel. I liked them because they were the end.
>>By borisette (Friday, 18 Jun 2004 17:45)
"he jumped out of the first-floor window of his house to escape from his domestic arrangement by a route quicker than the stairs."
whiskey tango foxtrot???
Since when does one need stairs to egress from the first floor of a house?
>>By Majorette (Friday, 18 Jun 2004 20:37)
European way of saying :
*ground floor (when you enter the house, same level of earth/ground)
* first floor (one needs stairs to get on the following floor ,
going up =first floor, going down = the cellar)
>>By borisette (Saturday, 19 Jun 2004 00:50)
er.... of course.... I knew that....*looks around sheepishly*
What I meant to say was, doesn't everybody jump out of first-floor windows? I mean, I don't bother with stairs unless I'm at LEAST three flights up....
>>By Majorette (Saturday, 19 Jun 2004 01:55)
AM wouldn't even need stairs then..........above 3 floors he could parachute out.
>>By Yanito (Saturday, 19 Jun 2004 02:42)
Hey...
All the AM Fans
10 points for who can remember which one is AM in the pic...
http://students.engr.scu.edu/~jabraham/
specwar/specops/uk/sas/redteam.html
>>By Shoot-To-Kill (Saturday, 19 Jun 2004 18:48)
<Spoiler>
7th From the left, Back Row
wearing a blue top under his ops jacket...
>>By Shoot-To-Kill (Saturday, 19 Jun 2004 18:50)
And Bob Consiglio is definitely in that picture, too, S2K. Makes me wonder a bit about the timeframe being 1985...
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 19 Jun 2004 21:15)
Thanks, S2K, for that link to the picture. The embedded links lead to a lot of other really interesting sites, with even more embedded interesting links! Here's one I just ticked for quick reference: http://strann1k.tripod.com/military_jargon.html#
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 19 Jun 2004 21:33)
Hey...
Is it me or is there a big coincidence around here...
A couple of days ago a few people posted talks on "Heat" The film where AM helped with the Organisation of the ops... etc..
Last Night, i watched Frank Skinner on TV where he mentioned his friend Mick who helped AM on the set of "Heat"
Tonight on Sky Movies, Guess Which film, Starring Al Pacino, And Robert De Niro, Is On
HEAT...
=================
Maybe, if we start talking about AM Making Crisis Four,
we will hear some news on the go ahead for it...
( cos Sean Bean is in serious need of a new film )
he is currently doing voice overs for supermarket adverts, and mobile phone commercials...
>>By Shoot-To-Kill (Saturday, 19 Jun 2004 23:28)
Well he's been keeping fairly busy... even if he's not shooting now! ;-)
I just saw Troy and he makes a great Odysseus! Lots of fun, great scenery... and he does SAS type of stuff in there too! ;-)
>>By Dare (Sunday, 20 Jun 2004 07:04)
STK, the thing you saw on the TV, sure it wasn't Jim Davidson? Mick is a small tough Welsh guy, ex-SAS and working with AM on the Heat film as another technical adviser. The story was that Mick showed an actor how to spin out of a gun to the head situation but one of the American stunt men didn't believe that could be done in reality. Mick challenged the guy to ambush him in the same way. Whilst Mick was sat eating, he feels a gun at the back of his head and the American saying get out of that, or similar. Jim asks him what he did next. Mick says in his Welsh accent " I stuck my fork in 'is 'ead".
Jim Davidson is a great friend of the British military, he has given free concerts for troops serving in war zones since the time of the Falklands and seems to know AM.
More great SAS stuff from WW2 can be found in David Stirling's and Paddy Mayne's biographies, both written by SAS men who served with them. Stirling's story contains much more than the SAS bits, he did many things in his life (so I skipped them!) but Mayne's story is incredible. Especially towards the end of WW2 where small groups of SAS were roaming around Germany looking for trouble; they found plenty! This is an aspect of the war that I have never come across before. The SAS effectively pursued the Nazis all the way from the Med, through Europe, and finally through Germany, harassing them constantly. A stimulating read, mainly because of the character of Mayne himself.
>>By camban (Monday, 21 Jun 2004 12:58)
Thanx Camban...
When i wrote it i wasn't too sure on his name but thought it was frank skinner for some unknown reason...
but yes, it was Jim Davidson...
S2K
>>By Shoot-To-Kill (Monday, 21 Jun 2004 15:55)
I know it's not AM, But
=================================================
Come
On
ENGLAND...
(I hope there are no croatians out there...)
>>By Shoot-To-Kill (Monday, 21 Jun 2004 23:12)
Ah well S2K,
AM wrote B20 ->
the character AM in the movie B20 was played by Sean Bean ->
Sean Bean did a movie called "When Saturday Comes" ->
"When Saturday Comes" is about.....soccer
There you go.
>>By Lynn (Monday, 21 Jun 2004 23:33)
I knew there would be a link somewhere..
Also...
Sean Bean starred in a TV Program Called "Sharpe"
Manchester Utd (Is/Was) Sponsered by "Sharp"
Some England Players, play for Man Utd...
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Any Other Deaper Links????
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S2K
>>By Shoot-To-Kill (Tuesday, 22 Jun 2004 23:46)
Further to my comments above about the Stirling and Mayne biogs, there is a handy little book, Daggers Drawn, which neatly summarises the origins and deployments of the SAS and SBS, including good thumb nail portraits of these men and many others. Particularly interesting is the piece about Anders Lassen, a Norwegian who is credited as the founder of the modern SBS. The book also gives a description of the origin and design of the killing knife which Peter Ratcliffe says does not exist!
I would also like to recommend Operation Royal Blood. An amazing tale which certainly made me wonder. It's lead character is a Delta Force guy, so our American friends may be interested more than usual.
>>By camban (Wednesday, 23 Jun 2004 12:51)
just a little snippet about am's new book deep black: Nick Stone's future has never looked so bleak. The only person he has ever loved is dead and the only people who might give him a reason not to join her have turned their backs. Until a chance encounter with a man he saved ten years ago appears to throw him a lifeline.
>>By Nemesis2842004 (Wednesday, 23 Jun 2004 18:18)
As Sensei say;
"Patience Grasshopper, patience ..."
*bows head in humble fashion*
>>By Ninjawoman (Thursday, 24 Jun 2004 21:32)
Artistic licence utilised...(it won't work otherwise...)
"The only person he has ever loved is dead and the only people who might give him a reason not to join her have turned their backs. Until a chance encounter with someone from ten years ago appears to throw him a lifeline."
It hardly seemed like 10 years ago. He was in my group on a track day at the airfield circuit. At first he followed closely, paying careful attention. Or was it just the lure of well fitting leather? After a few laps I waved him through. With near perfect entry-apex-exit lines, he was a natural, it seemed. Deciding to turn up the heat, I outbraked him into the fast right hander and slipped beneath him, forcing him wide. On the power, the tyre protesting, I wondered if I was pushing too hard. Thoughts interrupted by the familiar 'sskkrrsshh' of a bike sliding on tarmac. A classic highside out of the last bend had thrown him skywards. Now he lay on his back on the grass. I stopped and walked back to him, but all I could hear was giggling.
"Outrageous!! F***in' outrageous!!", he managed through tears of laughter.
So, what was he doing back? I suddenly remembered how he always joked he'd let me do the riding in a drive-by shooting...
>>By bikergirl (Saturday, 26 Jun 2004 10:57)
ive havent been here for quite a long while and i cant help but notice that theres going to be a new NS book coming out, "Deep Blue". ive just finished reading Dark Winter and was surprised that it doesnt disappoint me after going through LibD and LastL. DW certainly is a top read next to RemoteC and it really wrap the whole plot of NS and kelly up nicely. i read all the NS novels just to follow what will happen to kelly. not going to ruin for other ppl, so why does AM decide to write another novel...i smell greed...but dont get me wrong i love all NS novels cept LibD.
>>By dxa (Sunday, 27 Jun 2004 03:55)
good point where is nick going to go he's lost everything so this time he must die, but thats not in the military ethos to fall back and say f*ck it . so here is the question is are hero going to bow out gracefully or is he going to do an impression of the duracell bunny.
personaly i hope he goes out in a blaze of glory, for the simple fact he is such a good character. yeh maybe he lost his way once or twice(last light) but i would like to see his demise or he will just turn into supersas type bloke.
well enough for now, so just remember all is not lost, when it can be won.
sorry had a mad deep moment.
>>By Nemesis2842004 (Sunday, 27 Jun 2004 17:11)
oh yeah by the way bikergirl: is this andy mcnab or ice cube (driveby?) lol
and you know you want to swap your bike for the increment. lmao
>>By Nemesis2842004 (Sunday, 27 Jun 2004 17:13)
donno about NS dying in his final book would to great considering that its beening told in 1st person. im just assuming that DeepB is not going to be good because kelly is not going to be in it. remember LastL and LibD?
>>By dxa (Sunday, 27 Jun 2004 18:12)
Welcome back, dxa!
Indeed, it has been a while -- about 8+ months, 100+pages, and you've been dieting too, I see! Lost 111, right? (vbw!)
As to the idea of Nick's demise, either in Deep Black or other future NS stories, I really don't see any need to kill off Nick -- unless it's due to total lack of imagination! End the series, maybe, but death (blaze of glory or not) would be a slacker's way out. (Gasp! that I could even utter such words!)
And if the idea of greed is a factor in AM writing yet more NS stories, then I embrace and paraphrase the philosophy of Gordon Gekko (M Douglas) in the 1987 movie "Wall Street":
"The point is, ladies and gentlemen, that greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right. Greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms - greed for life, for money, knowledge - has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed - you mark my words - will not only save [Nick Stone] but that other malfunctioning corporation called [Transworld]. Thank you."
You listening up, AM? Certainly hope so! :o)
>>By am-i-binned (Sunday, 27 Jun 2004 19:43)
lol yes it has been awhile and thank you binned for replying. im not sure if greed is indeed a good thing in the case of NS because when stories tend to get out of focus, the plot of that novel tend to disappoint..hint LibD. dont know if im like you guys but when i first finished reading RC i was hoping to know more about kelly's future. now DW is out, is everyone still looking towards DeepB? lol i thought the last page in DW was hinting the end of NS's adventures....guess not...
>>By dxa (Monday, 28 Jun 2004 01:49)
S2K was talking about coincidences last week. Well here's another; I read Freefall recently, it turns out that not only McNab and Cameron Spence were involved in the story, but that Tom Read was also Jim Davidson's bodyguard for six months! Anybody know what happened to Tom? I seem to recall that the poor bloke killed himself.
>>By camban (Monday, 28 Jun 2004 15:30)
Camban, Tom Read was the pseudonym Charles "Nish" Bruce used when he wrote his book Freefall. CB was "Nosh" in AM's Immediate Action, and he was also a close friend of Frank Collins. And, yes, CB did commit suicide; it's been two years this month.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2055854.stm
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 28 Jun 2004 16:04)
hey
i know i've not been around latly i've had a lot to do. my job has taken a huge chunk out of my schedual and i hardly ever have time to get on the net to talk to any of you anymore. but i aim to put a stop to this. and from now on i will try to come online every night as of tuesday night. and i hope to get a few replys this time lol. as some of you probably know i am a huge fan of mr mcnab. i have read all of his books and can tell you pretty much anything about any of them. hi to lynn, AIB and all the other peeps that i have lost touch with. hopefully that will all change.
talk soon
your beloved cavemole
>>By cavemole (Monday, 28 Jun 2004 16:17)
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