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Two follow up stories :
Briton accused of plotting coup drops legal team
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
international/story/0,3604,1259726,00.html
The tale of an ex-SAS hero (Simon Mann) and his
chums Smelly and Scratcher
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/
conservatives/story/0,9061,1263902,00.html
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 20 Jul 2004 22:53)
Camban,
found you a nice link again ;o))
http://www.militarybookclub.co.uk/visit/index.asp
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 20 Jul 2004 23:33)
Old news but we haven’t had it here before so in lack of NEWs:
Author Andy McNab was paid handsomely to mention Traser timepieces in his book Liberation Day, for which he won a 2002 Annual Product Placement Award.
The annual Product Placement Awards recognise and celebrate the effectiveness of product placement intergration in motion pictures, books, music, computer games and television.
"Consumers don't seem to mind advertising being integrated into entertainment, so long as the entertainment remains entertaining."
The Top 10 Product Placement Award winners are:
10. American Idol (TV Show)
9. Starburst (CD Single)
8. All My Children (TV Show)
7. My Big Fat Greek Wedding (Movie)
6. Goldmember (Movie)
5. Spiderman (Movie)
4. Liberation Day (Book)
3. The Sims Online (Computer Game)
2. Die Another Day (Movie)
1. Minority Report (Movie)
Number 4 eerr....?? If only they'd checked this site ;o)
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 21 Jul 2004 00:02)
Think I'm gonna call 186 my page ;o)
Andyway:
http://andy-mcnab.ninja.dk/
Ninja??? Any connections?? ;o)
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 21 Jul 2004 00:18)
Guess what folks,
I am reading a novel by an author named Barry Eisler "Rainstorm", He has a "Traser " watch for use.This watch has been modified a bit to carry certain chemicals that make it's victims oh-so-sick.
>>By DTO (Wednesday, 21 Jul 2004 01:43)
Thanks for the links, Lynn...
Wish the situ of Mann et al were just fiction, instead of fact....
Err.... DTO?
Those "certain chemicals" wouldn't be Slim-Fast by any chance?
>>By am-i-binned (Wednesday, 21 Jul 2004 13:34)
I suppose Casio didn't pay enough for the "baby G" that Nick Stone used to wear, do you think Leathermans and Timberland paid out as well ? If anyone reads Tom Clancey (good plots and intrigue but he has the american flag way to far up his own arse for my liking), he doesn't half plug the apple mac computer that Jack Ryan likes to use.
P.S this message was written on a Dell Insipron laptop, and I checked the time on my Fcuk watch whilst drinking a brew which I made with a princess kettle, whilst listening to Pink Floyd on my Sony minidisc player.
>>By geo (Wednesday, 21 Jul 2004 20:28)
Hello ladies...........and gents !
Reg is back and it's a big hello to you all - Borisette, Dare, Lynn (Christ, you've been busy !), Majorette, aib etc.
Just having a break with a hobnob (packet) and a brew. Nice one !
How's it all going. Paid £12.60 for an Indian take-away the other night and the damn thing was virtually uncooked. Still, like a trooper, scoffed the lot and now paying for it !
Take it easy,
Reg
>>By Reginald (Wednesday, 21 Jul 2004 21:16)
Hi Reg.. nice to see you back, hope you will soon be in ..eeer... good condition
Geo, very likely - how about this site:
http://menus.cottmar.com/men/one.html
It's got.... Timberlands.... Armani.... and ...Special Forces: British SAS VHS (History Videos)..."Relive one of the most harrowing Special Forces missions of the Gulf War, when British SAS soldiers fought to stay alive against incredible odds"
Could be just a coincidence of course :o)
All of a sudden though I got a weird feeling doing all this research, anyone who wants to take a wild guess ?
>>By Lynn (Thursday, 22 Jul 2004 01:00)
"This watch has been modified a bit to carry certain chemicals that make it's victims oh-so-sick."
I think me and bikergirl can take our bow, haha and you thought we were just scientists!
>>By Bethan (Thursday, 22 Jul 2004 09:19)
LOL, Bethan!!!
We always thought you were more than "just" scientists -- add the word "mad" !!! Scary what latex and lab coats can do!
>>By am-i-binned (Thursday, 22 Jul 2004 16:03)
i love that name
>>By hislop (Thursday, 22 Jul 2004 19:05)
Hi, i found this site after a web search under AM's name, a good discussion and some passionate people here, shame i have to go thru all 186 pages b4 i ask a qeustion that could have been covered a few times before lol.
Just finished Dark Winter and wanted to connect abit after getting that feeling i do after i finish each of AM's books, emptyish i suppose.
Anyways hi to all, i'll be loitering
Badger
>>By B@dger (Thursday, 22 Jul 2004 20:30)
Welcome B@dger......All a board....... as it goes....
Dark Winter....very good read..Did you enjoy? Sugest B2O also and Remote Control...
Maybe even Soldier 5 by Mike Coburn.
Keep reading and enjoy AM he's all are fav....hahahahahaa right folks?
>>By DTO (Friday, 23 Jul 2004 03:23)
Hi hislop and B@dger, good to meet some more fellow travellers. I don't think you'll make it thro 186 pages, I didn't anyway! So why not just wade in with what you want to say, we all repeat ourselves constantly here; it's bound to happen. And hislop, would you like to guess at who may lie behind that name?
>>By camban (Friday, 23 Jul 2004 12:46)
Anyone read 'Once a Pilgrim' by Will Scully, ex-SAS bloke caught up in the coup in Sierra Leone back in 97. The man has huge 'nads.
>>By geo (Friday, 23 Jul 2004 15:55)
CAmban? Speak for yourself ..
Camban? Speak for yourself ...
;-)
>>By Ninjawoman (Friday, 23 Jul 2004 16:26)
Thanks for that one Geo, just bought the last one from Amazon, out of print now. Reviews are very good. Can recommend 'For Queen and Country' Nigel 'Spud' Ely, extraordinary description of battlefield experiences with the usual Paras to SAS story, but with the usual personal deviations. Another odd one, 'The Rigger' unusual story of NI stuff, unusually written, but good.
And Ninj old mate, wot the 'ell are on about up there?
>>By camban (Friday, 23 Jul 2004 16:55)
thx for the welcome :o)
I have read both those books DTO and all the others that Mcnab has written ( except his latest, due out in november, too long to wait :( ) and i find his writing very informative as well as educational in ways. I am saddened of Kelly's death to be honest, as of Suzy's, seemed he had a match there. Also after reading Liberation day , i was hoping for a better ending to his relationship with Carrie, but there you go, typical Nick Stone i suppose lol
All in all the bloke has a good knack of producing a good reading material and factual material at that, i have read alot of non fiction about the regiment but i fell short of getting into any other fiction by ex regiment blokes. I haven't read any CR books apart from 'TOTGA', how do you find the differences between his fiction and AM's?
Shame you can never put a name to a face in this instance, but that's part of the attraction some would feel
>>By B@dger (Friday, 23 Jul 2004 18:58)
b@dger,
Being ex Army (Not SAS, wasn't dedicated (mad) enough for that malarkey) I think I can say that the reason why AM is such a good writer is that he 'speaks, thinks and does' like a squaddie, I recognise so many phrases and the 'turn of phrase' that he uses. Also lets face it the plots are bloody good, which obviously helps.
I have a downer on CR because when I read TOTGA he just seemed so full of himself, I met many bloke like that in the Army thought they were the bees knees and where full of their own importance, he was a bloody good soldier in the finest (without a shadow of doubt) regiment in the world but to portray yourself as something that you are not (he told the Syrians he was a SNCO and he said that he felt he was the real leader of B20) just doesn't make sense to me. However that is just my opinion and who am I in the grand scheme of things, no-one really.
The reason why I don't like his books stems from the above though, I've only read two books one had a crap plot about nuking moscow, and the other was about a SAS captain hunting down a rougue hitman/IRA mole, CR wasn't a captain so how does he know how a captain thinks reacts, etc because officers are a different breed and thats a fact, in 17 years of service I only met three ruperts whom I respected as good blokes and fine officers, I respected most of the ex-rankers because they had done the things that I had done and that was reflected in their style of leadership, but even then some were monumental dickheads. CR's main character Alex is supposed to be an ex-ranker I think but as a character he just isn't, for me, as plausible as Nick stone.
Do however read them and judge for yourself
>>By geo (Friday, 23 Jul 2004 22:07)
Geo,
I'm also ex military, but awhile ago now, i understand your feelings towards ex rankers, the ruperts straight from Sandhurst were all in the knowledge, not in the experiance though, this showed at times, but a good NCO could lead far better and the divide between squaddies and ruperts was made due to this at times. It all boiled down to respect for me
Anyway, I'll give CR a miss i think, i'm not for one picking a book up just on the history of the authuor, especially when so many reviews point me away, it's not the correct frame of mind to begin a book, i feel
Has any1 read Johnny Coomb's books? i have read both Boat Troop and Blood Money and feel they may have also been based around events accured, another authour who has a knack of writing good informative books.
One other point with which i'd like other's feedback is, Peter Radcliff's book ' The Eye of The Storm' and his words on AM's ability during B20. Has anyone here read this book and have any comments? He has some interesting thoughts/facts to say on the mission itself and AM's leadership.
>>By B@dger (Friday, 23 Jul 2004 23:03)
:EDIT:
sorry it's Johnny Howard or Johnny 'two combs' Howard, not Johnny Coombs...
>>By B@dger (Friday, 23 Jul 2004 23:34)
Peter Ratcliffe was discussed on these pages:
25-28-46-51-52-53-55-67-68-70-71-79-82-85-86-98-119-
124-129-130-131-140-153-154
Good luck !
>>By Lynn (Saturday, 24 Jul 2004 21:44)
A new special forces regiment is being created to infiltrate Islamic terrorist groups such as al-Qaeda, The Sunday Telegraph can reveal.
The Reconnaissance and Surveillance Regiment will work closely with the Special Air Service and the Special Boat Service. Its mission will be to penetrate groups, either directly or by "turning" terrorists into double agents.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
xml=/news/2004/07/25/nrsr25.xml&sSheet=
/news/2004/07/25/ixnewstop.html
>>By Lynn (Sunday, 25 Jul 2004 13:38)
Oh, brilliant! Like terrorists don't read the Telegraph or watch CNN?
Oh, wait, I get it -- it's a devilishly clever mind-f**k plot to "paranoid" them out of the terror business!
Yeah, right -- if only!
>>By am-i-binned (Sunday, 25 Jul 2004 15:46)
Oooops, sarcasm seepage... sorry.... :o(
Please, keep up the good work, News Media! You're doing an excellent job! For whom tho? Maybe that's a question to be investigated....
>>By am-i-binned (Sunday, 25 Jul 2004 15:52)
Well I do enjoy your sarcasm AIB ;o))
It's just old news in a new package and there will be a reason for it being in the news.. a reason us outsiders can only guess..
Above I left out the part that was relevant to this board, cut and paste it here:
"One of its successes was providing the information for the SAS operation in 1988 which led to the shooting dead of three IRA terrorists who were planning to attack British forces in Gibraltar."
Andyway, for whole article see link above :o)
>>By Lynn (Sunday, 25 Jul 2004 16:12)
B@dger:
Re: Peter Ratcliffe: check out my post on this matter on page 177.
>>By ortlieb (Sunday, 25 Jul 2004 21:37)
Oooh... I've got two posts in a row now. ;-)
Geo: I have to tell you that I disagree with your take on CR. Especielly with The Watchman. In my opinion, that's his best one so far. It should be stated though that I haven't read all of his fictionals yet, but the plotline in TW was very clever indeed. Reminded of what I felt like when I saw the ending of The Usual Suspects or The Sixth Sense. Very clever (and unexpected).
Also, I've written a few posts on this earlier, but I'm one of those w***ers who believe that being able to alternate between 1st and 3rd person narrative is a good quality indeed.
>>By ortlieb (Monday, 26 Jul 2004 02:16)
Ort you beat me to it!
I have to say I thought CR was a bit of a prat after TOTGA too, he didn't do himself many favours but his fiction's good from The Hit List onwards. My little self, well, (this won't go down well!) prefer CR's latest fictions to AM (ducking already guys).
>>By Bethan (Monday, 26 Jul 2004 09:19)
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