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"Where am I ?" With a sore throat Nick Stone wakes up in a soft and, more importantly, a warm bed. Bewildred he looks around his room, finding a woma reading in an old lazy chair in the opposite corner.
A woman gets up and leaves her book in the seat.
"Welcome back to the living mr. Stone and welcome to F-Troop head quarters. Where that is I can not tell you but I can tell you that you are safe." The lady holds a plastic cup with a straw in front of his mouth.
She smiles as she sees him checking the liquid before taking the straw between the lips that healed nicely while he was asleep.
"Like I said mr Stone, you are safe and this is water. No whiskey added." Her smile is kind, he ponders as she checks the little cuts in his face.
"Who the fuck are you ? And how did you find me?"
The smile is getting a bit darker now, her face thightens as she takes a deep breath before answering.
"My name doesn't matter mr. Stone but you can call me N. " She takes another breath as if to calm herself, " The reason why we found you is simple.. all we had to do was follow the whiskey bottles road.."
A brisk turn and she is heading toward the room.
"But why??" All of a sudden it seemed to very important for him that she would answer
"Easy mr. Stone .. we need you alive to write more fantastic adventures!"
>>By Ninjawoman (Thursday, 10 Jun 2004 23:25)
I don't suggest that AM "gave" the Iraqi cop his name, but as 5 of B20 were in the same taxi with this guy for several hours, they must have chatted amongst themselves, and called each other by name. They probably expected that this guy knew little if any English, and anyway first names alone would be of no use to him. They may have planned to slot the guy anyway, so it didn't matter. When they gave their interrogators the "big 4" I am sure that they would have used their real names.
Also why the mystery surrounding the Official Secrets act? AM's name is not nor can it be classified as a military secret subject to the act. It is not information material to the Defence of the Realm. The act is a strong tool, but it is not a magic blanket covering everything Whitehall decides. There are limits to what the act can protect. An individual soldier's name is not one of them. It doesn't really matter I suppose, I was just curious. :o)
>>By Yanito (Thursday, 10 Jun 2004 23:46)
Hi poolesprocket
Hope you don’t mind me getting into your post, the fact that you came here at the risk of being slotted must either mean a) you like McNab, b) you have a deathwish, c) you would like to contribute something or d) don’t give a toss either way.
Re: “What astonishes me is that any sane person would believe Asher had let mcnab's name out of sack when he knew full well he'd end up in court for breaching the Official Secrets Act. Get real folks.”
Eerrr.. which “folks” would you like to get real? I think the major part here absolutely agrees with you. (That doesn’t mean we’re all sane here per definition). Further more – most of us being AM fans, means we’re also kind of ‘protective’ and if McNab chooses not to reveal his real name, we don’t WANT to know, nor speculate.
Re: after reading a lot of the rubbish posted on this board.
Yes, there’s some rubbish, though the rubbish isn’t strictly reserved to the McNab fans over here.
Also would like to add that ‘rubbish’ is subjective. That you think it’s rubbish doesn’t mean it IS rubbish. It may be fun or real to other people.
Let me make a bridge here too:
Re: “I hope you will all think in future before judging those of us whom you know little or nothing about.”
Ahem….yes. That’s what I’m trying and I always hope someone shows me the same courtesy.
This part: Recruitments who apply…etc is an interesting read, thank you
Of course we’re hoping that you care to share more, even though Readit has informed us that with his and Dev’s leave “f*cking off fer good same as rest of ex-SFO bods who flew in and said it like it were. From our point of view.”
But then he also said that SFO’s are thought to think for themselves.
I still like to say nice meeting you, though our image is apparently ahead of us.
PS:
Hello Yanito - had finished this post when I noticed you posted just before me. Your last remark "It doesn't really matter I suppose, I was just curious. :o)"
I don't think some of us are curious too, but it DOES matter: like I said, if AM does not want us to know his real name - who are we to ask for it anyway.. OSA or not, THAT doesn't matter, it's AM's choice and I prefer to respect that.
>>By Lynn (Friday, 11 Jun 2004 00:50)
aah, typoman?? Nope - just too fast with the fingers. Comes in handy sometimes but not in this case:
"I don't think some of us are curious too" should of course be " I DO think some of us are curious too"
>>By Lynn (Friday, 11 Jun 2004 00:53)
Love your stories girls, though be careful: you are gonna make it AM very difficult writing an original ending :o)
>>By Lynn (Friday, 11 Jun 2004 00:55)
You got the Steve right, not Richardson though. I see he has got you ladies ghostwriting for him, hope he pays you girls a commission! Collins, Nish (Read) et al had to give their ghostwriters 33%, and Lucas gets15%, so not a lot left after the taxman takes his hit!!
>>By barkingbob (Friday, 11 Jun 2004 03:43)
Well I won't ask for his name... it's Andy's business, but "Steve" is still a nice name. ;-)
Hi there BB. How've you been? Haven't seen you in a while! Hope all is well with you.
>>By Dare (Friday, 11 Jun 2004 08:42)
Lynn I won't be sharing anything with you not even mcnabber. It was all because I'd heard so much about F Troop I had to come see for myself.
Yanito I suggest you test OSA and see how far down the road you get chummy. Special Forces inclusive 14th intel et al have right of protection which is covered by OSA.
You want to know who mcnabber is? Look up his old regiment before he went for selection to SAS dance team. Look up MM MC etcetera holders, collate your intel of how many dongs per name match his media bio. Good Luck with exposing him. Hope you're a top gun marksman.
>>By poolesprocket (Friday, 11 Jun 2004 09:42)
Fair enough P.
>>By Lynn (Friday, 11 Jun 2004 12:21)
Two interesting issues from our new best mate, poolesprocket. Apart from the small matter of Poole being the SBS base.
First, it is intiguing that F Troop is now famous/notorious among SF types, just think girls, you are being discussed in these hallowed precincts! General aib, take a bow!
Second, RTU is not necessarily what it seems? intiguing, could be the source of a whole new genre of books.
Finally, you cannot be nicked under the OSA for simply knowing something, it is publishing it that will bring the problems; does a internet board constitute publishing as such?
>>By camban (Friday, 11 Jun 2004 12:51)
F Troop fame/notoriety do provide a little entertainment. Perhaps not as intended but hell you put it about you attract attention.
F Troop's general suffered a minor mental malady and was confined to the military hospital for pscychiatric assessment.
For almost a week the general made a complete nuisance of himself, a right pain in the arse to staff and other patients so one afternoon an orderly entered the room. "Time to take your temperature, General."
After growling at the orderly, the general opened his mouth to accept the thermometer.
"Sorry, General, but for this test we need your temperature from the other end."
A whole new barrage of verbal abuse followed, but the orderly was insistent that a rectal temperature was what the test called for.
The general at last rolled over, bared his rear, and allowed the orderly to proceed. The orderly then told the general, "Stay exactly like that and don't move. I'll be back in five minutes to check up on you" and withdrew.
An hour later, the head nurse entered the room, saw the general with his bare rear in the air and gasped, "What's going on here?"
"Haven't you ever seen someone having their temperature taken?" the general barked.
"Yes I have, General, but with a daffodil?"
>>By poolesprocket (Friday, 11 Jun 2004 16:26)
for visualisation of the above scenario, visit "Carry on Matron" c.1965
>>By camban (Friday, 11 Jun 2004 16:45)
LOL
You guys are a hoot!
PS-- Sorry, fella! I keep wanting to call you PoolesPocket... keep getting this mental image of fellow playing "pocket pool"... Anyway, just wondering why it is that you and your buddies have no hold or practise at being non-judgemental of us (FTroop) here on Gnooks, but expect us to give you the same courtesy... Why is that, mate?
>>By Dare (Friday, 11 Jun 2004 18:33)
Ok just had to post this (about the rectal-thingy)
Us osteopathers do rectal exploration in female and male, normally you would use the middlefinger to "explore",
The guys in the class, would always joke about it and be going :
"Look exploration without hands"
and they'd be holding their hands up, but would be standing right behind someone........get the picture ?
>>By borisette (Friday, 11 Jun 2004 18:33)
ROFL
Ok... ANOTHER mental image to add to the growing pile of stuff in my head of dubious value!! But funny as he** anyway! ;-)
>>By Dare (Friday, 11 Jun 2004 20:20)
Would this be 'good' news? Finally some acknowledgement maybe?
"Over the past year there have been an unusually high number of suicides among U.S. troops in Iraq, and hundreds of soldiers experiencing psychological problems have been evacuated from the country. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's recent announcement authorizing the extension – by at least three months – of the tours of duty of some 20,000 soldiers set to return home, and the possibility of intensified urban warfare may add to the stress suffered by soldiers serving in Iraq.
In response, the U.S. has increased the use of combat stress control teams, established a toll-free crisis hotline for service members having problems dealing with stress, and set up recuperation centers where soldiers can chill out for a few days before returning to the front lines. Questions about whether these actions are too little too late, and how the soldiers will be treated when they return home remain to be answered"
A little too late for the present problems but maybe they will benefit from it in the future?
>>By Lynn (Friday, 11 Jun 2004 22:18)
Oops sorry, here's the complete article, thought it was interesting
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=18556
>>By Lynn (Friday, 11 Jun 2004 22:25)
Surely the Official Secret's act is enforcable only upon those who have signed it? And then only with regards to information they have gained in the course of their employment. If a Civil Servant overhears 2 others sharing a secret whilst walking down the street, he cannot be prosecuted for it's subsequent disclosure. Even less could a member of the pubic who has not even signed the OSA.
>>By Yanito (Friday, 11 Jun 2004 23:51)
Judgemental Dare?
Might difficult playing pocket pool with only one ball. Could you lend us on. Lost me twin to shrapnel in Falklands War.
For Yanito.
Present from buddy...Ha ha, she watching you...
Data Protection Act: of which Civil Servants are subject to by way of the OSA...
http://www.e2chameleon.btinternet.co.uk/thelaw.htm
Example of Libel Lawsuits:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/
1/hi/uk/696119.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/
0%2C3858%2C4156466-104917%2C00.html
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/internet/
0%2C39020369%2C2071090%2C00.htm
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Off Topic people power against Corporate Giants in a Libel Cases...
http://www.mcspotlight.org/case/trial/story.html
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/
uk.cfm?id=304272004
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Example of Slander Lawsuits:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/
entertainment/450799.stm
Privacy Protection Lawsuits:
http://www.hamiltons-solicitors.co.uk/
archive-docs/demon%20update.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1896556.stm
>>By poolesprocket (Saturday, 12 Jun 2004 12:20)
Some of you will know my love for quotes, I found this one that I wanted to share. It may seem off topic though if you think about our discussions about what stories to tell and what's best not revealed it may not be that off topic.
No one has a finer command of language
than the person who keeps his mouth shut.
(Sam Rayburn)
:o)
>>By Lynn (Saturday, 12 Jun 2004 13:16)
Haha, nice try but way off the mark. It is impossible to be slanderous in written form, as this is related to Oral statements. Libel is related to the written word, but it is not libelous to state that Tony Blair's name is Tony Blair. The remarks have to be defamatory in nature, and PROVEN to be untrue. Civil Servants are all required to sign the OSA, and are therefore bound by it, persons who have not signed it, are not so bound.
I don't really want this to turn into a legal discussion.
Re: Immediate Action, AM mentions the Capri Bar in Gibraltar's Mian Street being a gay bar. This establishment has changed hands several times, having been a Fish & Chip shop, and more recently Cafe Kuby. No-one seems to remember it ever being a gay bar though. I do remember the plastic palm trees though. The Meditteranean Steps he mentions are still there, but somewhat overgrown & delapidated. There used to be a challenge whereby resident batallions would run in CEFO (belt kit/rifle) from the Parade Ground at Lathbury Barracks (below Med Steps) to the top, and then via road back to the Parade Ground. This is one hell of a run. I do not know if official records were kept but rumour has it the Gurkhas were the quickest by a long way.
Let's hope AM (or whatever his name is) keeps on writing. :o)
>>By Yanito (Saturday, 12 Jun 2004 14:03)
Good one, Lynn... :o$
Without a doubt, I need to sign up for an intensive training course right quick!
Wow, Poolesprocket....
That's an awful lot of homework you've just assigned! Hopefully, it will be read by any indiscrete "insiders" looking to prove their authenticity at the expense of others...
Thanks, Yanito...
Very nice eyes-on-target info on the Capri Bar and the Med Steps run. And from what I've read, I'd think the Gurkhas rumour is definitely fact, not fiction. Another watering hole AM mentions, Raoul's Rose Garden, was still up and running as of Jan 1997, but an undated site reports it now closed. Seems the Brits' departure was bad for business.
http://junglefighter.panamanow.net/html/
in_january_97_i_spent_a_week_at_.htm
www.belizefirst.com/prevar1a.html
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 12 Jun 2004 16:26)
Med Steps follow-up...
Someone was kind enough to post personal pictures which came up on a simple google search:
http://www.tall.org.uk/arl.htm
http://www.tall.org.uk/gib01/gib01.html
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 12 Jun 2004 16:45)
Okay, between all that homework Poolesprocket assigned, Yanito's Capri Bar and Raoul's, I'm afraid it's triggered one of my OCRD binges. Here’s a few miscellanies:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?
ARTICLE_ID=23695
http://junglefighter.panamanow.net/html/
Belize_jungle_training.htm
http://belize1.com/BzLibrary/trust83.html
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 12 Jun 2004 18:07)
Sheesh, l gotta stop somewhere so these will be the last -- for today, anyway.... :o)
http://irelandsown.net/mairead2.html
About Operation Flavius and interesting embedded links, too...
such as....
http://www.geocities.com/
collusion2000_1999/stakeknife.html
and...
http://www.geocities.com/
collusion2000_1999/stakeknife26.html
-- seems Freddie launched a libel suit...
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 12 Jun 2004 18:25)
On last remark Yanito:
Amen ;o)
>>By Lynn (Saturday, 12 Jun 2004 18:40)
Re: Links provided by am-i-binned;
The first pic shows the view from the top of the Elliotts Hotel (formerly Holiday Inn), in the centre of town, Western side of the rock.
The second link does indeed show Med Steps, the third pic "Another scenic view" is taken from the very top of Med Steps, which is next to Spyglass Battery, highest point on the rock at 1,396ft. I used to run up & down it too many moons ago.
Does anyone know of any interviews with AM where he discusses / mentions Mike Asher's book? It would be interesting to hear his comments. Personally I could easily accept that AM may have embellished / exaggerated parts of his account, however I get the feeling that Asher has gone too far the other way. I certainly find it hard to believe that after engaging in firefights with 8 SAS soldiers (even in the limited way Asher claims) the Iraqi's didn't suffer as much as a broken finger nail.
I also note Radcliffe's claim that he ordered McNab to take vehicles, but AM, Ryan & Coburn all say that there was only one Dinkie available, which was no use to 8 guys. Someone is telling porkies, and I think it's Radcliffe.
>>By Yanito (Sunday, 13 Jun 2004 03:00)
More pix of Med Steps if yr interested;
http://www.llanito.gibnews.net/images/
medsteps2/index1.html
>>By Yanito (Sunday, 13 Jun 2004 03:05)
Fanx again, Yanito… :o)
Given your flork profile, I’m assuming you found the beginning of RC particularly interesting. Very neat seeing photos of Casemates Square and Southport Gate, locations named in testimony re: Operation Flavius.
www.kent.ac.uk/law/undergraduate/
modules/criminal/downloads/mccann.rtf
As to reactions/responses to Asher, I’ve only seen comments from CR, but nothing on the net from AM or MC -- at least not yet….
>>By am-i-binned (Sunday, 13 Jun 2004 14:49)
I do recall Mark Lucas saying something about it, can't find it right away. What I did find looking in files was a radio interview (Chicago 2002). I know it's been posted somewhere - but I know the new posters haven't read all pages. So if you like to listen to AM for 47 minutes then go to:
pnm://12.130.90.46:7070/wgnam/shows/ex720/
Audio/andymcnab020805mr.rm?cloakport
=8080,5544,7070
(lose the hard returns !)
>>By Lynn (Sunday, 13 Jun 2004 15:49)
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