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Yeah, yeah, and here's the hit: the leader of K'bala was an insurance salesman who hit on a fantastic way of making money: create a new religion specially geared for celebs!!! = a red string bangle as symbol of protection and devotion...Just as well wear a sprig of mint in your hair for all the protection a red string bangle will give you. See, it's all in the mind!!! You have to believe, or want to believe...
>>By devonwren (Monday, 24 May 2004 11:01)
Pass over them gold hotpants AIB. I believeeeeeeeeeeee...
>>By devonwren (Monday, 24 May 2004 11:03)
Hey there DW... glad to see you back. From your last post before your last exit, it sounded like it might be months before we saw you again. :-)
Sorry bb feels the need for protection. I was happy to see him too, even if he did make implications about the size of my a**, ... by association. ;-)
Question... If I get a Sex Phone Line can I advertise here if I promise to mention something SAS related in each call? ;-D
AND... Those gold hot pants are in serious need of washing and I refuse to touch them until they've visted the laundry and gotten jiggy with a machine and some good detergent!
PS... camban -- I promise to try and practise with the spoiler thingy so my next post or two will be book related. I need to reread them anyway... it's been quite some time. :-)
>>By Dare (Monday, 24 May 2004 14:56)
Good grief, Dare!
Of all the things you *could* refuse to touch, the gold hotpants are the least of your worries!
[Whispered: Whaddaya think all that late-night laundry is about? vbw!]
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 24 May 2004 16:33)
Oh sh*t am I on a high right now... Celebration all round tomorrow on champers...
Oh yes indeedy,
I'm on the move now,
just sold the house and feeling oh so good...
Just think about it,
sittin' by the pool all day, just watching frogs hop by...
Wash them hotpants? That would be sacrilege, like "wash that man right out my hair"...Don't even think of it! Original, intact, is worth far more than revamped!
I'll be outa your hair soon enough...
>>By devonwren (Monday, 24 May 2004 19:11)
EWWW! Perhaps, but they've been passed around so many times! ;-)
Congratulations, DW! That's always nice to get something like that out of the way! Pool, huh? I'm jealous! Well, enjoy the new place and just give a holler if you need help hauling boxes! Of course I don't anticipate being in England anytime soon, but when I'm there, I'll help haul!
As for the real-life trip to London, Venice, Hereford, Wales, Oslo, Tuscany... GREAT IDEA!!! How about any or ALL of the above!
;-D
That sounds like so much fun!!! This summer may be a bit rough for me since I've got an out-of-state move and a trip up north already planned and not sure of others' vacation plans, but with some early preparation, but I'm sure we could set up a nice Get-Together! Maybe for next summer?
What do the rest of you guys think? Flork me if you don't want to clutter up the board with this... ;-)
I blew it, camban... sorry... next will be book related. *crosses heart* :-)
>>By Dare (Monday, 24 May 2004 20:14)
THE REAL SERGEANT
1. Can cuss for ten minutes without ever repeating a word.
2. Have a spine.
3. Can play a cherry Lieutenant like a finely tuned instrument.
4. Can see in the Dark.
5. Have eyes in the back of their heads.
6. Still don't trust the Russians.
7. Still hate the French.
8. Don't know how to be politically correct.
9. Don't give a damn about being politically correct.
10. Think that "politically correct" should fall under S### in the UCMJ.
11. Love deployments because there is less paperwork and more "real work."
12. Can run 5 miles with a hangover.
13. Do not fear women in the military.
14. Would like to date G. I. Jane.
15. Still know how to use a buffer.
16. Can tell you anything you want to know about an M1911A1 although
they are no longer in the inventory.
17. Believe that they do have a rendezvous with destiny.
18. Believe that "Nuts" wasn't all that Brigadier General McAuliffe said
to the Germans at Bastogne.
19.Really don't like taking S### from those who haven't "been there".
20. Know how to properly construct a field latrine.
21. CENSORED
22. CENSORED
Reading the last page of DW where NS says he needs to get his life together and thinking even of going back to see the Doc. to get help. Will the next book start from there, or will he be allready out on some OP given by George. Do you think that all of the other AM books started from where he had left them . Or did he simply start out with a new story, bringing in some of the old stuff/info so that new readers could understand what he was on about.
BB : interesting but did you know this :.
One problem with the new Iraqi investigation squads is their tendency to use the traditional interrogation methods. These are considered war crimes by many in the West, and coalition officials have had to step in and stop the roughness. The Iraqis complain that this is limiting their progress, and they have not got time to learn new interrogation methods.
>>By borisette (Tuesday, 25 May 2004 19:17)
I was hoping Andy would follow-up on the ending of Firewall. That would have been a cool story. I know I was chuckling at the way that went down. ;-) How many of you want George to meet a particularly gruesome fate? *raises hand*
Haven't gotten any florks about possible Real Time Get-Together...
I've already started working on the rules for the Official AM/NS Drinking Game... and some ideas for what the Gold Hot Pant Awards could entail... (called the Hotties! ;-))... and then there can be B.A.B.E.S. readings and stuff... official tours of NS stomping grounds... ;-).
>>By Dare (Wednesday, 26 May 2004 02:49)
Funny that Dare (as in peculiar) I thought the end of Remote Control was a let down, where he just looks at Kelly in the rear view mirror. I even sent it back to the publishers because they agreed it did not have enough pages. Then they sent it back stating it was complete but, because it was the larger format edition, did not have as many pages as the standard paperback. There were some discussions, many pages ago, about the continuity errors and omissions. These of course are more apparent if you read the books as a series, as I did. However, I don't find that these matters spoil the enjoyment, just raise questions in the reader's mind. The most puzzling of course being the Russian block of flats question.
Where does this gold hot pant thing come from?
>>By camban (Wednesday, 26 May 2004 12:20)
Gold hotpants? That all started with bikergirl....
See SAS Big Brother
http://www.gnooks.com/
discussion/chris+ryan__9.html
Spinning Around will never be the same again....
>>By Bethan (Wednesday, 26 May 2004 15:07)
Pssst, Camban...
I gotta tell you -- Bethan is holding out on you -- only giving you part of the story tho! It's true! There is soooooo much more you don't know!
To truly appreciate those scandalous gold hotpants, seek out the point of origin (gnooks.com/discussion/andy+mcnab__99.html) -- where the first inklings appeared -- posted by our daringly dynamic duo, soon thereafter becoming the brilliantly bombastic BABES:
Bethan: Pg 99, 7th post from bottom, "Who Dares Tracers"
Bikergirl: Pg 100, 1st post, "Back to Mid Wales"
BABES: Pg 101, 7th post down, "This was a collaborative piece of work by Bethan and bikergirl..."
------------------
Bethan and Bikergirl...
Loads of LOLs as I went back to find the point of origin! (yep, more BenGay!)
Maybe we should consider using CPA skills (cut, paste & assemble) to consolidated and repost all your stories (from here and CR's board) so that new F Troopers can appreciate what we older troopers know so well! Without a doubt, you're both a bit mad (must be the mad-scientist-bit, vbw!) but, without a doubt, you're absolutely brilliant!!! Carry on getting carried away!
BABES rule!
>>By am-i-binned (Wednesday, 26 May 2004 16:13)
... and I drool!
Uh-oh, maybe that's a bit TMI...
Oh well, the truth blurts...
>>By am-i-binned (Wednesday, 26 May 2004 16:16)
Thanks Bethan, aib, and bg (off board), seems I have some serious research in prospect to get to the "bottom" of this conundrum.
Hm, TMI?
>>By camban (Wednesday, 26 May 2004 16:41)
Sorry, Camban....
TMI = too much information
... but while I'm at it:
DTM = Damn Typo-Man! (I just noticed he 'snuck' in on my previous post!) grrrrr!
>>By am-i-binned (Wednesday, 26 May 2004 16:59)
I have now finished reading Victor Two and Sabre Squadron, as recommended by Nemesis I think. They really do make an interesting contrast with Eye of the Storm. Also, they all contain references to to the B20 mission, which again, vary. That must now be around seven books that discuss this topic, and counting.
>>By camban (Friday, 28 May 2004 15:37)
Camban,as I could not read in 10 years what you seem to be doing in a month, maybe you can tell us some of what is said in those books about B20 ? Some here have read these books, but I for one have not.
>>By Lynn (Friday, 28 May 2004 22:03)
I've read both Eye of the Storm (EOTS) and Sabre Squadron (SS), but not Victor Two (V2) as of yet.
Peter Ratcliffe (PR) - Regimental Sergeant Major in 22 SAS during the first Gulf War - obviously felt the need to his stories and experiences down to paper, resulting in EOTS.
I see this book as a combination of a PR-bio and a "setting-the-record-straight" bombshell, targeted at all the previously mentioned authors who operated at SAS-squaddie level during their time in the Regiment.
Cameron Spence (author SS) put Ratcliffe in a very negative light in his book - as did Victor "Yorky" Crossland (author V2).
PR obviously felt he needed to address this in particular, but he also aims at authors Chris Ryan and Andy McNab. Although neither Ryan or McNab mentions PR as specifically as Spence and Crossland did, he still feels the urge to comment on the failure of the B20-op. PR for example critizes the patrol for deciding to bin the vehicle-option.
(I've come to understand that Mike Coburn (author Soldier Five) has interesting viewpoints (going against PR) regarding this particular subject. Haven't read S5 yet, so I can't delve more on that one though).
Another "setting-the-record-straight" author - Michael Asher (author The Real Bravo Two Zero) - used EOTS, The One That Got Away and Bravo Two Zero as references when he traced the footsteps of the B20-patrol. To me, Asher seems to be PR's "spokes-person".
What I find interesting in general, is to get different viewpoints to the same story (there are at least two sides to every story, right?).
SS and EOTS certainly offers this, and to put a third side to the same story, we also have Crossland's V2 as well.
Finally - I highly recommend (as I'm doing the n'th time) reading Ken Connor's Ghost Force. It's unfortunately written in an extremely dry manner, but to me, it seems to provide the most nuanced and unbiased comments on the B20-op, but also the whole Regimental history as whole from World War II.
In the (not unlikely) event that you should find Connor's dryness unbearable, I strongly urge you to at the very least skip to the chapter that covers Gulf War 1. As I suspect the audience in this board to have a very high interest in this topic, that particular chapter will be a very interesting read indeed (Connor doesn't applaude the RSM either by the way).
Enough rambling? Yeah, probably....
Have a good one guys! Cya around!
>>By ortlieb (Saturday, 29 May 2004 10:34)
(Follow-up) :
I should probably point out that SS and V2 as a whole tells the story of the SAS-group Alpha One Zero's (successful) missions in Gulf War 1, but they also mention B20.
>>By ortlieb (Saturday, 29 May 2004 10:39)
Sorry people, this is for Dutch and/or Dutch speaking people only...
Vanavond om 22.50 op SBS6 "Special Air Service- De Britse S.A.S"
Dit gaat over de Bravo Two Zero en wat er allemaal mis ging.
And now for the non-Dutch people, it is a docu thing about B20 on the Dutch t.v.
Needless to say, I have my vcr already on standbye. :)
Enjoy !!
>>By Ninjawoman (Sunday, 30 May 2004 12:54)
aaaaahh Ninja !!! Mijn eeuwigdurende dankbaarheid :o)
(forever grateful) cause I'm lousy with the tv - I would have missed it
>>By Lynn (Sunday, 30 May 2004 13:04)
To bad you will miss it Lynn, I have seen it on the BBC about a year ago or so.
>>By Ninjawoman (Sunday, 30 May 2004 13:24)
I WOULD have missed it if you hadn't told me - now I know it's on I will certainly watch it :o)
>>By Lynn (Sunday, 30 May 2004 14:02)
Oh
>>By Ninjawoman (Sunday, 30 May 2004 19:20)
For Memorial Day:
"Lest we forget… "
" ... I remember the helicopter I was on swooping in for a touch-and-go landing, and I was standing on the landing skid, ready to jump, and the guy standing on the skid beside me put his lips to my ear and shouted over the din of explosions, “Hey, Brenner, you think this is a go?”
We both laughed in recognition of what we and everyone had been thinking before the assault began, and in that moment, we formed a communal bond with every soldier in history who ever waited for the sound of the bugle, the war pipes, the whistle, the red flare, or whatever it was that meant GO.
GO. You are no longer human, you have no mothers, no wives, no one you care about, except the man beside you. GO. This is the moment you have been dreading for as long as you can remember, this is the fear that comes to you in the night before you sleep, and the nightmare that wakes you out of your sleep. This is it – it’s here, it’s now, it’s real. GO. Meet it. ...."
(Up Country, by Nelson DeMille)
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 31 May 2004 15:11)
See DeMille board!
>>By devonwren (Tuesday, 1 Jun 2004 10:03)
LOL, I decided to "take a ride" on the gnod adventure express for new authors!
I keyed as choice of three favourite authors:
Andy McNab
John LeCarre
Jilly Cooper
Hee hee, I then opened the surprise cookie and what did I get:
Chris Ryan!
>>By devonwren (Tuesday, 1 Jun 2004 10:22)
I had McNab, Ryan and Falconer as my choices and i got Joseph Hellar, his book catch 22 got good reviews on amazon. Has anyone here read it?
>>By Psicosis (Tuesday, 1 Jun 2004 11:40)
I read it many moons ago, thouroughly enjoyed it, and the way the catch 22 is written into the book. ;-)
>>By Head Shed (Tuesday, 1 Jun 2004 11:42)
I this may sound dumb but What is Catch 22
>>By Psicosis (Tuesday, 1 Jun 2004 12:15)
Ortlieb, interesting points you make. I have read all the books you mention, except Ken Connor's, but that is in my Amazon basket as it was recommended by BG. It is difficult to surmise what Ratcliffe is trying to achieve by rubbishing the other books and we should not forget that he has given himself the last word, the other two are not going to publish a response I expect. Yorky's book is now out of print sadly, it was a very human tale in amongst all the muck and bullets. Cameron's book is longer and more detailed too. I got the feeling that, at the time of writing, he admired Ratcliffe and speaks highly of his leadership abilities. PR also comes up in CQB by Mike Curtis, as does B20 again, but very briefly. CQB is one of the best by the way, a fantastic read, well written, that guy has seen some action! He was in Bosnia as NATO negotiator as was Cameron Spence in his second book, All Necessary Measures, which again I enjoyed immensely. That "war" was probably the most horrific of all of the recent conflicts, except the various African ones, but as the writers state, you cannot believe that these things happened in Europe this century.
Lynn, I don't know if I can accurately summarise what you ask, but I will try one day.
Psicosis, I read C22 many moons ago, like Head Shed, I recall it as quite quirky, funny even, but I did not fully understand it! It was one of those books that acquired brief cult status, a must read for any trendy twenty something, as I was then!
>>By camban (Tuesday, 1 Jun 2004 12:35)
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