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>>By camban (Tuesday, 1 Jun 2004 12:40)
Catch-22: a dilemma or circumstance from which there is no escape because of mutually conflicting or dependent conditions...
Anyone who understood (understands) Red Dwarf Series understands the irony and essence of hilariously funny Catch-22 situations, even in the face of danger all around - or not...
Just for fun: humour me guys by posting or florking your Star Signs...I promise it's purely for fun and further promise no poking of fun in any format...
>>By devonwren (Tuesday, 1 Jun 2004 12:53)
Girls: don't rush to tell me AM's star sign - it's already on the dotted line....
>>By devonwren (Tuesday, 1 Jun 2004 12:55)
DW: Don't you know that astrology is just made up by charlatans? If you just consider the arithmetic it is totally unfeasible. Sorry.
>>By camban (Tuesday, 1 Jun 2004 15:28)
Catch-22 has come to mean a lose-lose situation, a problem with no viable solution (e.g., getting a job: no work unless you have experience, no experience unless you work)
Catch-22 (a military rule of pure circular logic made up by Heller) ultimately prevents anyone from getting out of flying combat missions:
"-- One may only be excused from flying bombing missions on the grounds of insanity;
-- One must request to be excused;
-- One who requests to be excused is presumably in fear for his life. This is taken to be proof of his sanity, and he is therefore obliged to continue flying missions;
-- One who is truly insane presumably would not make the request. He therefore would continue flying missions, even though as an insane person he could be excused from them for the asking."
Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22
>>By am-i-binned (Tuesday, 1 Jun 2004 15:53)
Ok... I'll bite... I'm Capricorn. ;-)
>>By Dare (Tuesday, 1 Jun 2004 18:55)
Camban:
Mention *fun* and up jumps a Killjoy!!! It never fails...
Mention *failure* and up jumps a collector of bullshit!!! It never fails...
http://www.mainstreampublishing.com/
special_offers.php
Sorry: Concise Oxford Dictionary interpretation of Catch-22 was a tad literati orientated...
It takes a more down to earth soul to explain in down to earth terminology - well done Am-I-Binned...Not a task everyone can manage without wikipedia = good reference source...
>>By devonwren (Tuesday, 1 Jun 2004 18:59)
Fun of failure, failure of fun.
Would you like see my collection of bovine faeces? Or Joy's corpse?
Nobody comes by here much now, must be that chat room drawing the crowds.
Ho hum.
>>By camban (Thursday, 3 Jun 2004 16:44)
Hey Camban!
Still looking for more SAS/SBS books? Looks like we're gonna start seeing more of them in a year or two...
"MoD censors decide SAS story can be told
Richard Norton-Taylor
Saturday May 29, 2004
The Guardian
The blanket ban preventing anybody from saying anything officially about the activities of Britain's special forces - the SAS and its naval equivalent, the SBS - has finally been lifted.... "
For the full story, go to
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/foi/story/
0,9061,1227397,00.html
>>By Majorette (Thursday, 3 Jun 2004 18:30)
It's now been officially said (documented) that "silence" on SAS/SBS operations had become almost impossible, but as I said way back when (God knows where on this board), that Payback time for errant ex-SAS/SBS writers was just around the corner!!
Yes, there is going to be a more open MoD policy...Thing is, though, it'll be a two-way thing...
As in MoD mindset: You (a ex forces man) choose to write a book don't expect anonymity as has been the case in the past... ex SFOs who have rushed to feed the likes of Mark Lucas on gold nuggets (other lit agents) had better watch their backs, because open policy means you may all get to know who Andy McNab really is, very soon...
Readit's OK, he hasn't written SBS related books...Wise fella...
>>By devonwren (Thursday, 3 Jun 2004 21:55)
! Attention, F Troopers !
Today is a very dark day indeed for F Troop and the AM/CR et al forums...
... cuz as of today our bestest mate Ortlieb is going missing ... and will probably be off the radar screen, without comms, 'til around the end of August ... :o(
Take care, O, good luck, and hurry back! You'll be missed big time!
>>By am-i-binned (Friday, 4 Jun 2004 05:22)
Oooooh! Thanks to Camban, I just revisited Amazon uk!
Latest on Deep Black, still due out November 4, 2004!
"Nick Stone's future has never looked so bleak. The only person he has ever loved is dead and the only people who might give him a reason not to join her have turned their backs. Until a chance encounter with a man he saved ten years ago appears to throw him a lifeline."
Let the speculation begin!!!!! :o)
>>By am-i-binned (Friday, 4 Jun 2004 16:29)
Well done Camban and AIB!
"appears to throw him a lifeline"
Appears..... I'm guessing the life line won't be as good as it should be, surely things can't end in tears for NS? Or am I just too cynical and depressive?
>>By Bethan (Friday, 4 Jun 2004 17:54)
<< ...surely things can't end in tears for NS... >>
Errr, Bethan....
Cynical or depressive, all I know is I can't take too many more NS books ending in tears. Cripes, I can't even bring myself to re-read LD yet, let alone DW!
>>By am-i-binned (Friday, 4 Jun 2004 20:10)
Oh no !! Somebody is gonna get hurt .. and my guess it will be NS ... * soft sobbing starts* Then again, we are on borrowed books/time anyway aren't we? Was it on the relaxwithabook site ( no longer up for the new lurkers/fans) that AM was planning about two more books?
As far as seeing my favo fictional man vanish I do hope he will do it in style !!!! Kick ass Nick, if you look over your right shoulder, Ninjawoman is covering your 6 .... (if that is a good thing, I am not even sure but it is the thought that counts ? )
>>By Ninjawoman (Friday, 4 Jun 2004 21:50)
Ahem - those relaxwithabook interviews where (WHERE!) moved to the Transworld site. Guess what... ;o))
Two more books indeed Ninja. And I'm guessing Nick will survive through the coming one (duh!) but who knows about the last one.
I am promising you this, if AM kills off Nick in his last book/pages I will never post again.
(do I sound impressive???)
>>By Lynn (Friday, 4 Jun 2004 22:38)
Not realy ;)
>>By Ninjawoman (Friday, 4 Jun 2004 22:42)
Ningawoman...
............AM was planning about two more books?..............
Actually, on the interviews, AM announced there will be "AT LEAST" 2 more books for NS...
Bye, for now...
S2K...
>>By Shoot-To-Kill (Friday, 4 Jun 2004 22:45)
Hi STK - nice to see you posting again :o)
Beth, hope you don't mind me posting your relevent Q's here:
Live Chat november '03:
Beth J says: Hi Andy! You're only contracted for two more books - where do you go then?
Andy McNab: It all depends how the next two books go. Certainly the films that are going to be made of the book might mean that I will carry on after the next two books, the whole thing is like an experiment.
bethj: Does Dark Winter mean the end of Nick Stone and you'll start something else?
Andy McNab: No, not at all, there's another two books on their way - and then who knows what will happen to him? I have to be careful not to make him too caring and sharing, because if he goes around hugging trees he wouldn't be able to do the work he does!
>>By Lynn (Friday, 4 Jun 2004 22:56)
OK, I know I'm gonna catch a lot of flak for this, but I don't think it would be that terrible if Nick Stone was killed off in the final book, as long as it was some spectacular death living up to his reputation. I mean, I wouldn't want him choking to death on a meatball (although there is some simple beauty in the scene where Don Corleone dies with an orange peel in his mouth while playing with his grandson... he died happy.)
No... I'm envisioning a storyline where Nick's life is so deep in the shit that there is no hope of him ever re-building it, no hope of reconciliation with loved ones, which prompts him to commit an act of complete and utter selflessness and self-sacrifice. Kinda like throwing oneself on a live grenade to save others... but on a much larger scale.
I haven't read Dark Winter yet (saving it for my summer vacation), so maybe he's already done something similar in that book. But if not, then that's what my crystal ball says will happen in the final installment.
(pssssst, Camban... I don't really have a crystal ball, so don't accuse me of being a charlatan ;-)
>>By Majorette (Friday, 4 Jun 2004 23:02)
Maybe we ought to make a poll - vote for Kill Nick (volume 1 or 2) or
will it be Staying Alive ?
My vote:
Stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
>>By Lynn (Saturday, 5 Jun 2004 00:41)
My thoughts on NS and next 2 books:
I sincerely hope NS is going to walk that *deep black* path of his mind in one of the books(such a good storyline lurking there) and that he eventually sees the light at the end of a dark tunnel of nothingness, that he will f*ck George good whilst in that deep black abyss, and in last book that he ends with a "Gone Fishing" plot that leaves him open for return to field/s new...
That said, how will the man (AM - not) survive in reality without NS, unless he truly does have no soul... The loss of his character alone (if that be the goal) is going to be a massive personal loss, and I hope in *reality* he's prepared for that sense of loss to kick in!!! It will hurt, and has been known to cause massive depression in writers who kill off a long-term character...
Did for me, too....................<<Mourning Still>>
>>By devonwren (Saturday, 5 Jun 2004 08:58)
ok, Kill-Nick 1 - Staying Alive 2
who's next?
>>By Lynn (Saturday, 5 Jun 2004 09:44)
Sorry all who i am about to hurt,
Kill Nick 2 - Stayin' alive 2
Nick will be missed.......... if indeed that is going to be the case. But in a blaze of glorie pwease?
>>By Ninjawoman (Saturday, 5 Jun 2004 13:36)
Board starts sounding like Funeral-home.
Kill Nick - Live Nick - **** Nick (about time too!)
oooh let's keep him alive then, and see if he ever pops back.
>>By borisette (Saturday, 5 Jun 2004 16:42)
Good grief!
eeerr... uhm... or actually, I guess I should be saying "Bad grief!".... anyway...
I know I said let the speculation begin, but Nick's demise is definitely not what I had in mind. I was thinking in terms of the identity of the *man he saved ten years ago* -- is this guy a new character who will be intro'd by flashback or has he already been written into one of AM's current books?
No surprise, I'm sure, but I do NOT want to see NS killed off. I could, however, envision an open-ended, what-if ending, maybe even a cliffhanger -- leaving us with the option of speculative imagination rather than just the abrupt finality of termination. And AM has always left open questions before; so why not again....?
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 5 Jun 2004 18:10)
I back borisette's notion. "**** Nick (about time too!)"
Couldn't resist that parting shot.
So long, f*cking off fer good same as rest of ex-SFO bods who flew in and said it like it were. From our point of view.
>>By readit (Saturday, 5 Jun 2004 20:13)
I may be missing something here, but how can a writer kill off his character when it is written in first person narrative? I mean, how did he write the thing if he is in fact dead? Last line of book: ...then I died?
On B20 again. Gaz Hunter in his book says he was AM and CR's troop commander and could not become involved in GW1 because he was sent to Colombia. He also mentions AM as a good friend and describes CR's demons surfacing whilst on a mission with him in an African country. Any firm intel on this out there?
>>By camban (Monday, 7 Jun 2004 12:25)
Uh-oh, Camban...
Haven't gotten around to the GH reading assignment yet but, from your questions/comments, I'm shuffling GH up to top priority on my ohmigod-not-another-book-to-cross-reference-with list. :o)
(whispered: Do you by any chance own stock in Amazon, C?) ;o)
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 7 Jun 2004 14:18)
"Last line of book: ...then I died"
Or maybe the chance encounter man finishes the story for him... Like, so Nick is dead.... I'm the next lovable rogue.... Introducing him for the first of his little series.
Or.... maybe Nick is injured, not dead but permanently out of action and retreats to the south of france in a villa he got from the chance encounter man for helping to save him in some way..... To spend the rest of his days as a recluse.
Maybe I have too much time on my hands this afternoon!
>>By Bethan (Monday, 7 Jun 2004 14:20)
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