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The military salute, if I'm not mistaken, comes from the Knights (Medieval era? I'm terribly ignorant in History... like the other subjects! o_O ): since the had the helmet on it was difficult to recognize who's who. So whenever a Knight crossed a friendly one, they lifted the "ventail" (er... can't find the exact term in English... the visor, that is!) with the right hand, from up to down!
>>By Deusrexmachina (Sunday, 18 Jan 2004 18:35)
>> since the had...
Since THEY had etc.
>> with the right hand, from up to down!
... from down upwards! >_<
*sigh*
>>By Deusrexmachina (Sunday, 18 Jan 2004 18:37)
Hmmm....
Animosity seems to be the theme in here these days.
Hehe... yes readit, I'm looking in your direction.
However, I'm not in the business of pointing fingers, and this isn't a finger-pointing post - just some feedback.
What puzzles me, is that whenever there are people who post on this board and claim to have some sort of insider-info, they seem to be charged with a presumption of the other posters background and (poor) level of knowledge.
If it's indeed correct that you're ex-reg or had anything to do with SFO, I think it would be an asset to the whole board to hear your personal stories and experiences.
Still, your posts have mainly been fuelled with a "bitchy" attitude, as if you're saying "you F'ing wankers know Jack shit. Give it up!" Personally, I don't loose any sleep over this, but even though I choose to shrug and move on, it's not surprising that a lot of people get provoked by your statements.
I also find it strange that you would react so strongly to what you feel is the "discrediting of the poor Andy McNab." I'd think that he has other more pressing issues to occupy his time with than to worry and become an alcoholic on the account of an Internet message-board's content.....
Ok, done now. ;)
I met a guy a couple of nights ago in a bar (in Norway). He was British, and well built and athletic. When asked what his business was, he made a poor attempt to pull a lie. A friend of mine (also Norwegian army like myself) talked with him for a couple of minutes, and it became obvious that he was Regiment. My friend and mine had a good laugh, coming to the conclusion that this had to be a rookie Rupert who inadvertantly blew his cover. When he left, he just nodded and said: "I don't want any trouble... I have the highest respect for the Norwegian Army". (another friend of mine who was shit-faced and unaware of the Brit's probable background was giving him a hard time, so the guy decided it was time to clear out).
Hehe... note to 22 SAS: train your ruperts better!
>>By ortlieb (Monday, 19 Jan 2004 00:07)
Sorry, just a quick one:
Hypothermia was mentioned a few posts ago.
I'm going to order a book called
"As Far as my Feet Will Carry me" by Josef M. Bauer.
"The true story of a German soldier's escape from a Siberian prison camp following the World War II, and his struggle for survival during an 8000-mile journey to freedom across some of the most treacherous and inhospitable conditions on earth."
Sounds like an interesting one, and should be a refreshing break from the tales of 22 SAS. :)
If anyone has read it, please let me know what you think about it.
>>By ortlieb (Monday, 19 Jan 2004 00:15)
Borisette, you gave me the courage to ask my own "stupid" question:
If SAS = Special Air Service, what is SBS??
Thx all.
>>By Majorette (Monday, 19 Jan 2004 00:59)
Majorette:
SBS: Special Boat Service (earlier, it was Special Boat Squadron).
>>By ortlieb (Monday, 19 Jan 2004 01:28)
Ortlieb Special Boat Service to wally-shooting none SBS personnel mate
Still the squadron to the lads. I'm already visualizing the duct tape over your mouth.
A guy said I don't want any trouble in an Aldershot pub once and a jerk kept pushing his face in this guy trying to walk away, he asked him politely to let him pass, but no the jerk kept right on taunting and then all hell broke loose and ended up with a running riot through the streets because the quiet guy was a squaddie not a Rupert. Squaddie or Rupert SFO wouldn't say he were SFO not a Brit any how, happens all the time people who in't SAS nor SBS lets people think they are and idiots believe they are!
>>By readit (Monday, 19 Jan 2004 02:40)
Ortlieb you was saying If it's indeed correct that you're ex-reg or had anything to do with SFO, I think it would be an asset to the whole board to hear your personal stories and experiences.
If I do that you'll be paying to read em mate in a book. Bugger giving my life story for free.
>>By readit (Monday, 19 Jan 2004 02:48)
As Ken Connor said in GF:
Every Tom, Dick and Harry claims that they were one of the guys in the SAS assault team that abseiled down to the balcony on the Iranian embassy in '80.
So far, the balcony has held no less than 15.000 people...... ;)
Wannabes are everywhere. Telling people "I'm sorry, I can't give you that information", "I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you afterwards" and similar covert bullshit arouses the attention to them. This was the case with me and my friends encounter with the guy in the bar.
By the way: what's the connection between 42 Royal Marines Commando and SBS? Sometimes, they are mentioned almost as the same unit, other times it's being said the SBS recruit from 42 RMC ?
>>By ortlieb (Monday, 19 Jan 2004 02:55)
readit:
"Bugger giving my life story for free."
Hmm.... ex-reg jumping on the "put-my-Regimental-story-in-a-book" gravy train? Hehe.... never heard of that before.
Besides: writing books is getting passé.
Serving as technical consultant on computer-games and movies is the way to go nowadays.
Chris Ryan: Project IGI-2 (computer-game)
Ultimate Force (TV-show)
Cameron Spence: Conflict: Desert Storm (c-game)
Andy McNab: Andy McNab: Team SAS (c-game)
Heat (US movie, 1995)
>>By ortlieb (Monday, 19 Jan 2004 02:59)
>>By ortlieb
Chris Ryan: Project IGI-2 (computer-game)
Andy McNab: Andy McNab: Team SAS (c-game)
I truely don't understand why no one has heard of this group B.I.S. (Bohemia Interactive Studio): it has created a PC game that's incredible called "Operation Flashpoint"; the U.S. Marines has a modified version from the commercial one for their trainings. It's actually tough for just being 'a game'.
"Project I.G.I. part 1": boh, dunno what's so great about it! *shrugs* Don't see why part 2 has to be better since it's just an FPS and not a "soldier-simulator" like OF.
:(
Just to be picky (sorry Ortlieb! :P ), "Team SAS" will be for a console, not PC.
Booooo for me! :(
>>By Deusrexmachina (Monday, 19 Jan 2004 06:47)
Hehe.... using Operation Flashpoint for their training says perhaps more about the U.S. Marines than anything else. Too bad I've got a crappy PC. I haven't been able to test OF myself yet.....
I think "America's Army" is being used for the same thing.
I know: Team SAS is being released for X-box.
If I'd been McNab though, I'd consider doing a computer-game version of his fiction-novels rather than the standard - and by now worn out - FPS-concept (First Person Shooter for those who doesn't play games that much).
An interactive Nick Stone? Hmm.... I think I'm too something here.
>>By ortlieb (Monday, 19 Jan 2004 07:26)
Ortlieb I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter. You're like riding a roller-coaster and I haven't figured which head you're using today. Can we have a set route and map please?
I did say I was ex RN seconded SBS so by my reckoning that answered your question before you asked!
Did you say Norwegian Army? Most of the guys I met were a clever lot, ex students with grads.
When you say writing books is getting passé I couldn't agree more that's why I said when I joined up here that I had no intention of booking it. Must be the language thing that confuses you :0
All this technical gaming lark in't so much about giving advise as taking the publicity it gives to them who wouldn't pick up a book McNab or Ryan wrote, wouldn't know who they were before seeing the game. Crazy in't it. Hey McNab fell out of the top ten bestseller list. That will have sent a shiver down his spine because her weren't there long this time. Bummer yeah?
>>By readit (Monday, 19 Jan 2004 10:22)
readit:
Must've been that Altzheimers acting up again then.....
Have you read Eye of the Storm by Peter Ratcliffe?
>>By ortlieb (Monday, 19 Jan 2004 11:12)
Ooooh! I like the way you think, Ortlieb! :o)
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 19 Jan 2004 11:14)
Now let me see if I understand this, Readit....
"Squaddie or Rupert SFO wouldn't say he were SFO not a Brit any how, happens all the time people who in't SAS nor SBS lets people think they are and idiots believe they are!"
Hmmm.... so is you is or is you ain't?
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 19 Jan 2004 11:19)
I try to ignore those war games......
Have you read Eye of the Storm by Peter Ratcliffe
Hurrah!! I'm not the only one that brings this guy up.
Talking of "real stories" I'm reading a german book now (not in german, can't speak a word of it), left to me by a dear departed. One german soldier's frontline experience. Very good, but very shocking.
>>By Bethan (Monday, 19 Jan 2004 13:33)
Since borisette led the way with military questions I have one (that's really really dumb)
Is an NCO from sergeant and above and why do you have to get commissioned to go higher? Who decides who gets promoted? Why are so many officers Sandhurst Academy boys? Okay so that's three dumb questions.......
Any laughing and I'll get you started on lab work!
>>By Bethan (Monday, 19 Jan 2004 13:45)
"happens all the time people who in't SAS nor SBS lets people think they are and idiots believe they are!"
It's very simple AIB: we are idiots, must mean we believe they are, so they in't
Have received INK mag, thanx to one of our regulars who's dept I'm in forever now ;o) Enjoyed reading it, liked our F Troop column !!
>>By Lynn (Monday, 19 Jan 2004 14:07)
Bethy:
I've mentioned ol' Ratty earlier!! Seems like I'm not the only one around here with random lapses of amnesia... ;)
Regarding NCO's: AIB must be ROFL'ing by now, because God knows I've gone a round or two with her on the same subject! :) Mind you me, being Norwegian and not Brit makes this statement only about 90% (nah, at least 94%) reliable.
Anyways - here goes:
NCO's include all sergeant-ranks and only those. Don't let the O (for "officer") in NCO throw you off balance - it's misleading. Hence - a sergeant is not an officer.
Anyone with the rank of 2nd Lieutenant and up are to be considered officers. In the UK you have to go to officer's academy to become (yep, you guessed it...) - an officer, while in Norway we get the rank of 2nd Lt after completing a year of serving as a Sergeant.
I, for example, is a 2nd Lt, and by definition an officer.
Who decides who gets promoted? Well, I doubt you can get promoted to an officer's rank, but within the Sergeant-scope, I suppose it's the battalion commander's call. Perhaps his recommendation, then signed by the local big Kahuna... a Brigadier or something.
I don't know what kind of institution Sandhurst is, but by the way you paint it, it sounds like a Rupert-factory.
Now, just for fun, count how many times I used the word "officer" above, multiply that number with 78 and subtract 1. Turn your calculator upside down and have a laugh (a bit of artistic license must be applied to get it).
Those of you who didn't crack it, must wash Chris Ryan's entire collection of golden hotpants.
>>By ortlieb (Monday, 19 Jan 2004 14:36)
*LOL*
"I, for example, is a 2nd Lt......"
readit, you're having a bad influence on me mate!
>>By ortlieb (Monday, 19 Jan 2004 14:39)
Oooh, Ortlieb...
You have way too many active brain cells firing off today! hahaha!
Strange, tho -- when I turn my calculator upside-down all it says is: Made in Malaysia, Model 1200-3... vbw!
(whispered: nah, I got it! very clever! and a big relief, too! last thing I need is more laundry, I'm up late enough as it is... another vbw!!!)
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 19 Jan 2004 14:57)
Just tried that counting Orty, but I guess I'll be washing those hotpants then. I found 6 x 78 -1 =
467, huh?
Now here's another (stupid) question :
What does the average SAS or SBS guy do when they quit the regiment, apart from writting them books or directing security companies what else are they able to do, or do they simply retire, and how long does one normally stay in the REG. What's the highest title they can achieve, general (?).
Plus why all the secrecy, is it because they do undercover work.... or..... what else?
Just ordered :
The Hostage by DF
Eye of the Storm by PR
Puckoon by SM
>>By borisette (Monday, 19 Jan 2004 15:00)
Hehehe, Borisette!
Nice laundry list of questions, too! vbg! vbw! ;o)
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 19 Jan 2004 15:03)
boriz:
You missed one "officer".
I think I read recently that the maximum age of an SAS operative is 40 years??
Judging from the "serious" SAS-literature, there's a lot of coming and going of those career-Ruperts who pass Selection, stay for 3 years, and then move on.
So all of those "old sweats" with tons of experience never leave NCO-status. So I suppose for the tough guys doing the deed, the "ultimate" rank would be RSM (Regimental Sergeant Major).
I think that guys leaving SAS/SBS typically get involved in some form of BG-work.
But... remember Mike Curtis? He was in the Regiment, what.... how many years? A lot anyway. He got formally sacked one day due to a bar-brawl incident. He just shrugged and said "fuck it! I'm done". Then he went back to Wales, and that's that.... Hehe.
>>By ortlieb (Monday, 19 Jan 2004 15:11)
OOops Orty got it got it! did my counting wrong = the total is 585 hé and turning it upside down it's SBS, aren't I a clever girl now.
Bethan about them PC war - games . I'd need the illimitated ammo and health packs, I always die when I play, them fingers move too slow, like snails, plus my heartbeat goes over 220 when the enemy approaches.
>>By borisette (Monday, 19 Jan 2004 15:13)
BG - work, must be pretty boring. But should pay well. Why didn't I think of that, I could do that!
>>By borisette (Monday, 19 Jan 2004 15:17)
boriz:
Actually, you just won yourself an entertaining session of washing..... :))
Although, 585 is a red herring... Inadvertantly, it works too.
>>By ortlieb (Monday, 19 Jan 2004 15:17)
Sheesh, Borisette! No surprise about those games... you need to work on your covert skills! What were you thinking, soldier?! Back to basics for you: < spoiler > 585 </ spoiler > ....
Sorry, Ortlieb, want her RTU'd or just on KP for a while?
LOL!!!! ;oD
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 19 Jan 2004 15:20)
Well at least I get to wash something "intimate", and there won't be no dirty washing , them guys using that "clingfilm" all the time!
>>By borisette (Monday, 19 Jan 2004 15:29)
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