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All you would have had to answer was : Dear Lynn, 9 days, not bad!!!
Green-Eyed monster Lynn – LOVE it!! You pictured me perfectly!!
But I would like to think the improvement in English is due to my intelligence (and 132 pages of practise, also lots and lots of offboard chats) rather than Chinese whispers.
< Sorry if I haven't paid enough attention to you
No props, you are making up for that while we speak!
< Flork me!
Sorry love, I’m old-fashioned, flork me!
< your attack on me says
Oh com’on sweetcheeks, it just a tickle….
< your trying to get me to set a fire and that way you get me banned from gnod! Think me stupid, think again sweet pea.
At least you got that one – and congrets!! I think you’ve past the test.
< Does anyone here know what else "Stan" said under oath?
Nothing that a google search can’t fix ???
“As for the most extreme torture sequences that McNab wrote about, ‘Stan’ swore under oath at the Auckland trials (the trials were held to determine whether Mike Coburn’s book Soldier Five could be published) that they were fantasy.”
“From Asher's book "Under oath, Coburn and a fourth colleague Mal (Stan) , stated that both Ryan and McNab had distorted the facts in their books”
BUT this is available, if you can come up with something else, that won’t be poofed right away I’m interested.
< Back to McNab books. Who thought Dark Winter was less about Dark Winter the exercise than a book about McNab and emotional outburst?
Thought he uses actual events and turn them into fiction – so why would it not be less about the exercise? Haven’t done a search for the exercise (well – once, ages ago) but I’m not sure I would want to read a whole book about that. I know some guys love to search for the real events in the story, but not me, it’s very interesting but I don’t look for it. The ‘emotional outburst’ was a good read for me but again, that’s personal. Now here’s a thought, it must be easy for you to recognise the real events – you could lead us there. Not just Dark Winter but from RC to DW.
< Show me yours and I'll show you mine, later.
I THINK I love to see yours..
>>By Lynn (Friday, 23 Jan 2004 14:02)
Now the other day, watching the telly I saw this programme where they showed that british soldiers weren't being properly equipped. Like the Serg. that died after being made to give up his body armour, and another soldier who told his wife to buy him some kit on the internet and have it send to him in Iraq. I think it's just disgusting, How on earth is this possible especially if this was allready the problem during GW1, why are they making the same mistakes, what has gotten into the administration and the organisation of the military. Then when you look at the american soldiers, it seems like they have 2 of everything, they are so organised so well planned, why can't the british be like that. They've been in war for over 500 years, so they don't lack experience at all I'd say and yet these things happen again and again. Something is definately wrong .
Now then about DW: Crickey hadn't really thought about it being ann emotional ouburst for AM, and yeah hmmm could agree on that one
I think it's a bit of both really, and I'd say it 's about time the Man settled down emotionally.
RELAX, AND ENJOY YOUR MONEYYYYY!!!!!
Go and do some snowboarding, or snowbumming as I call it.
>>By borisette (Friday, 23 Jan 2004 15:24)
"Back to McNab books. Who thought Dark Winter was less about Dark Winter the exercise than a book about McNab and emotional outburst?"
I have a confession, I laughed at this. Why? I admire the guy for what he's done, but a microbiologist he ain't. Yeah the bioterrorism will capture people's imagination and get them to pick up the book - it's flavour of the month and has been since 9-11. Pick yourself the agent of choice that has to be spread by aerosol, just to make life easy and off you go. But what then? Good god, it's going to get technical, there's a lot of science behind bioterrorism, so always have a handy secondary storyline up your sleeve which will make everyone forget about the bioterrorist angle and you don't lose face by getting things wrong or having to work out the really picky details, like transmission rates, immunity, vaccinations, prophylaxis. My view? Emotion/Kelly the salad, the micro angle the dressing so the lettuce doesn't taste too bad..........
>>By Bethan (Friday, 23 Jan 2004 16:50)
re- soldier 5
The dull thing to do would be cross-reference each bloody book, don't have the time or the will power so I'm afraid I'll be spotting differences from memory.... Or relying on you guys to do a more thorough job. Believing it? Well we'll never get the truth in total so I'll do eeny meeny miny mo and pick the nicest cover. As mentioned on pages not so far back, some bits are exaggerrated, others left out altogether. Now there's some Mulder comment coming to mind, what is it?
>>By Bethan (Friday, 23 Jan 2004 16:56)
>I'll do eeny meeny miny mo and pick the nicest cover
I'll do the same but pick the nicest looking author...oh hang on...I've already decided <vbg>
me?...shallow?
>>By bikergirl (Friday, 23 Jan 2004 18:48)
Ortlieb- I, too, picked up on some discrepancies in Remote Control with respect to American phrases. I hadn't noticed the "ill" vs "sick" one. The one that practically jumped off the page to me was the conversation with the taxicab service dispatcher who said they were scheduled to "collect" a passenger. The American version would be that they had scheduled a "pickup."
Borisette- I found your post about British vs American forces very interesting. I'm not sure why there should be such a difference. My first inclination was to say that we are a very patriotic people and public sentiment is almost always in favor of "supporting the troops" so the armed forces get a lot of care packages from friends and family as well as funding from Congress and donations from state and local groups. But then I realized that I have no idea how other countries view their armed forces and so it may very well be that y'all give them the same amount of love and attention as we do. In which case there is no reason why there should be differences in the level of inventory and equipment available. Plus, I think it's wrong to suggest that Americans are "more" patriotic than other people; I think we are just more vocal about it. (And that could be wrong, too; I'm really not sure! This is just what I see from my small corner of the world.) But the thing that I found most peculiar is that it is quite common to see evening news programs giving "exposes" on how ill-prepared our troops are, or how under-equipped they are! I just saw a story about a Reserves unit that was being shipped off without enough rifles for each soldier! So I'm not sure what the true status is! Very interesting...
Readit- I think you mistook the Virginia Creeper for Poison Ivy, a common mistake since they resemble one another and are often found together. But the leaves don't have teeth like Poison Ivy. So you see, nothing to worry about; harmless plant, really.
>>By Majorette (Friday, 23 Jan 2004 18:58)
JUST FINISHED LIBERATION DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THANKS FOR THE ADVICE GUYS, THE ENDING IS JUST GR8, I'M SOOOOOOO GLAD I STUCK WITH IT. THANKS
CAVEY
P.S.
WONT ANYONE FLORK ME RATHER THAN USEING THIS THING?
IT TAKES TOO LONG TO CHECK. LOL
>>By cavemole (Friday, 23 Jan 2004 21:00)
Majorette, Virginia Creeper is major clue for intelligent persons who look to the shadows for intel.
Lynn, you've gone all coy "old fashioned girl" all of a sudden. Such contradiction is hard to grasp when you were all out "woman for equality" beforehand.
A man don't know where he stands with you. Like I said, you ring the doorbell.
>>By readit (Friday, 23 Jan 2004 21:57)
DING-DONG
"A man don't know where he stands with you"
You must know by now (133 pages) I'm all mouth - with such a small heart. It doesn't take much to win me over... you're well on your way with your last post
What about Dark Winter - I showed you mine!
>>By Lynn (Saturday, 24 Jan 2004 00:00)
Maj. well I think that someone in the UK should answer our question. Brits are as much patriotic as Americans are. And I'm sure they get packages from their relatives and from schoolgroups and others aswell. But here we are talking about equipment, body-armour, medical and surgical equipment.... now that is very bad and neglectic indeed. So no wonder soldiers get killed because of administrative-financial stupidity. And that's what I don't understand how come this is allowed and why is it that heads don't fall in the administration, and in the MOD!!!!?????
BG : nicest cover or author, well we don't know about AM now do we (his looks offcourse) but we do know about CR and DF,....... soooo......
But then on the other hand , AM has shiny covers!!
So that's good!
>>By borisette (Saturday, 24 Jan 2004 00:01)
Hello, All...
You may have noticed that several posts, our most recent ones, have disappeared. For the sake of newer F Troopers, I'd like to explain why. And to MG, I'd like to apologize.
The posts which have been removed were in violation of the Discussion Guidelines we agree to each time we post: "...you are responsible for what you publish. Lots of things cannot be legaly discussed in public. For example inflammatory statements, insults, contents that infringe copyright..."
The hardest part is that posts which are in violation are seldom standalones -- any subsequent posts related to violating posts are also deleted.
That's what happened here and that's why our posts have been removed.
Or in F Troop jargon: We've been poof'd! :o)
>>By am-i-binned (Sunday, 25 Jan 2004 09:21)
Hi All,
Yeah...I had received an email telling me my post had been removed.....me here with slapped wrists!
A reminder to all that SAS Survival Secrets is supposed to be on tonight on BBC 2 at 10pm...which hopefully will be the one that was cancelled due to World Darts the other week (fingers crossed)!
I'm going to ring the BBC again and see if the series (the full one..we hope) will be shown, and when? Also will check if they will release on DVD.
I have SAS Are You Tough Enough on DVD..and it's worth watching although alot has been cut out.
>>By TabariGoddess (Sunday, 25 Jan 2004 20:32)
TabariGoddess is right, SAS Secrets is on l8r tonight (10:00) bbc 2.
anyway what is DW like? is it worth reading?
>>By cavemole (Sunday, 25 Jan 2004 21:07)
Well, I hope there'll be no more of these kind of post 'cause I'm quite tired, and to be very honest, pis*ed of in reading things that can be said via Flork. It's already hard for me and for others to be able to post decent discussions since we're not constantly in front of the PC, and having this crap smacked right in our nose tires a lot after a short while.
'Night!
>>By Deusrexmachina (Monday, 26 Jan 2004 01:25)
Okay I'm not a happy bunny this morning, did any of you Brits see survival secrets last night? Because here in Wales they cancelled it because of the bloody snooker.
>>By Bethan (Monday, 26 Jan 2004 09:26)
It's still about balls Bethan
>>By Lynn (Monday, 26 Jan 2004 10:21)
LOL Lynn.
Bethan - it was worth seeing - lots of talk (mainly by Eddie, then Mac) about what it means to be in the regiment, and personal stuff to boot too.
They talked about what it was like for them to find themselves out and back on civvy street aged 40, young, fit and healthy, and not being to really use the skills they had learned. Mac has apparently owned a pub, dug ditches, other manual stuff etc since leaving the SAS. Eddie went to Oman for a year & was a Captain in the Omani Police, then worked in South Africa in gaming (training others), Operational Management there too, then came back, was a postman, & was labouring when he was contacted about SAS Are You Tough Enough.
One guy said that leaving the SAS is like a premier league footballer who then stops playing...of course you miss the goals, etc.. & the comradeship...
They talked about the divorce rate being very high, & that so many soldiers commit suicide when they leave.
The level of humility of these men really struck me. They portrayed that there was very little room for ego. I actually ended up feeling really sad & feeling quite angry about the level of discounting that occurs towards ex-service personnel, and the lack of support that is available for them. This has come up for me before, but it re-emerged very strongly last night as I watched & heard them speak.
>>By TabariGoddess (Monday, 26 Jan 2004 13:47)
Thank you, Tabby...
... for summarizing so much. We in the US are at such a disadvantage! Even if someone were kind enough to record these for us, our systems are not PAL compatible. I'd growl but I'm too depressed... :o\
Ahem, Lynn...
Hat. ;o)
Sorry, Rex...
... for my part in all that... :o(
Well, Cavemole...
About DW, let me put it this way: DW is now my *personal* favourite. :o)
Hey, Yes-Man and Lynn...
Would you please repost the hyperlinks to those articles?
Note to new posters who were poof'd...
Just fyi, we can repost anything from our poof'd posts so long as it is not in violation of the guidelines and/or is not related to originally violating post(s)...
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 26 Jan 2004 14:39)
ROFLMHO!
To stay within guidelines, I've temporarily posted an "off-topic" to my profile. Those who've chattered on msn with me will especially appreciate the tears of laughter rolling down my face....LOL!!!!! :oD
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 26 Jan 2004 15:04)
Is it just me, or does the Welsch accent sound just like a Norwegian speaking English?
>>By ortlieb (Monday, 26 Jan 2004 17:14)
Dunno, Ortlieb.... wanna come whisper in my ear? ;o)
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 26 Jan 2004 17:29)
Are you soliciting for a private board too AIB???
>>By Lynn (Monday, 26 Jan 2004 19:43)
I watched the news last night.... seems like you guys in the US finally got some snow (Washington area).
25 dead due to traffic-accidents.... A panic-struck commercial market. People are motioned to "stay in-doors".
Hmm.... had I been a Russian commander during the cold-war, I would've burnt all the doctrines on nuclear warfare, and come up with an even more ingenious device instead: "The Snow Bomb". Blast those yanks with a couple of tons of snow. That'll incapasitate them immediately.....
>>By ortlieb (Tuesday, 27 Jan 2004 09:23)
"It's still about balls Bethan"
Lynn have you ever sat through a snooker match? Even the balls get bored! Tabby - that post makes me hate Steve Davis even more!!
Ort
Yeah the north wales accent can sound scandanavian, but not here in the south though.
>>By Bethan (Tuesday, 27 Jan 2004 09:38)
Links to those poof'd articles...
Who Dares Quits:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?
objectid=13851879&method=full&siteid=50143
There's More Money In Less Time Outside:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?
objectid=13851885&method=full&siteid=50143
What about this...if you've got it you're in?
http://users.westnet.gr/~cgian/sasgene.htm
And finally, Ort...try this...see if it sounds the same?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/learnwelsh/
wordoftheday/2004/01/?28
>>By bikergirl (Tuesday, 27 Jan 2004 11:17)
Apologies...wrong link above...
SAS Crisis As Troopers Quit For Cash
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?
objectid=13851884&method=full&siteid=50143
>>By bikergirl (Tuesday, 27 Jan 2004 11:29)
The Regiment used to the créme de la créme when it came to priority, pay, and top-of-the-ladder "plum-job" op's.
Reading the article bikergirl posted the link to, it seems the bullshit of political beuracracy seems to have finally reached into the lair of 22 SAS.
Wankers! :)
>>By ortlieb (Tuesday, 27 Jan 2004 13:10)
MoD bureaucracy gone mad...
I understand, in rapid deployment, the logistical machinery may not be able to get everything in the right place at the right time. (http://www.nao.gov.uk/pn/03-04/030460.htm)
But the bureaucratic machinery was up to full speed very early on. In the days before the body of Ian Seymour was identified, his salary was still paid. The MoD were rapid in the demand for repayment and Lianne, his widow, was ordered to leave MQ's on the double. It didn't end there...
http://ww2.modoracle.com/news/detail.h2f?id=2359
(Errors in that report...Guardian and MoD both guilty)
>>By bikergirl (Tuesday, 27 Jan 2004 13:56)
i have just had a look at those links above, they are quite something. i dont think much to the cloning one though.
>>By Shoot-To-Kill (Tuesday, 27 Jan 2004 17:22)
Welcome, Shoot-To-Kill...
Glad you found us. SOP is to ask which AM books you've read, which is your favourite (if you have one), and how you found this board -- care to share? :o)
Oooh, Bikergirl !!!
Thanks muchly for all the links and especially the NAO report (spent part of last night and this morning reading thru). The SAS gene thing reminded me of an item I had filed away about adrenaline-level differences (source: CNN Presents, March 2003):
"One of the most interesting findings by the Army was the difference found between Special Forces soldiers and other soldiers. Data from Army studies showed that Special Forces soldiers had higher levels of adrenaline during the SERE [survival, evasion, resistance, escape] training than regular Army soldiers.
When adrenaline was measured 24 hours after the SERE stress was over, the adrenaline levels of Special Forces soldiers returned to normal levels. But adrenaline levels in non-Special Forces soldiers were depleted. The data suggests that Special Forces have a biological profile of people who are 'cool under fire.' "
>>By am-i-binned (Wednesday, 28 Jan 2004 19:48)
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