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>>By Nomad (Friday, 6 Feb 2004 18:12)
i have read a few of the ex-regiment expose books, mainly cos I know some of them, so I am afraid I get a kind of 'peeping tom' enjoyment out of reading the books. Haven't read any of the other kind of fiction that is released, not my style. How I found you, my son is doing project for A level psychology, and was looking for some facts on the SAS suicides and the level of suicides in Iraq amongst the soldiers there, a paper on stress in the army, alcohol and marital abuse etc we found loads of obtuse stuff about the regiment, including this chat site. Some wierd people here, it is funny how some view McNab, especially the women, i have been reading the postings for a while, great way to end the day, better than comic strips anyday, though a glass of plonk helps!
>>By dhobi queen (Friday, 6 Feb 2004 18:35)
Hey all! I've been away for a long time and I've missed a few pages so I don't know if you talked about it: have you heard about reforms in the SAS? It has to do with the reservists, a new organization and new missions for the 22nd SAS, and a few things are about the squabble amongst officers and non-coms.
If it's old ground you can insult me on my flork page. If not, what do you know/think about it?
>>By alice (Saturday, 7 Feb 2004 01:38)
NOmad - I think the rule is you are allowed to kill welshmen if there are 19 or more coming over the border at once....and you can only use a longbow. still - a minibus of welshmen coming over the border for a football match in england...? I dont have a long bow but I have a bendy curtain pole and some washing line ..you see, when you are in the SAS you have to learn to improvise at a moment's notice. loada rubbish!
I am interested ahout the soldier suicides mentioned above - I shall go and have a look.
and as for dhobi queen (sic) saying about the women's perception of AM, I totally agree it's laughable, but everyone has that romantic notion of some handsome i dont know, hero - whatever, but I have seen AM's pictures and it pains me to say, but he's a minger. However, I fell upon one of those sites for writing to soldiers in Iraq during the conflict and I picked one out and we've been writing for a year and I just got a photo - woof! he's a hunny. albeit welsh. (*washing line ...or dental floss...washing line/ dental floss?*)
>>By Pomplemous (Saturday, 7 Feb 2004 10:16)
Did you know that the level of stinkiness that you have about your person rises in direct proportion to the amount of coffee you drink? In short: better go and have a bath.
>>By Pomplemous (Saturday, 7 Feb 2004 11:39)
Haven't heard about it Alice, thanks for the info, can you give me some more info on the subject.
Hi Pompy, nice to see you're back from outer space!
>>By borisette (Saturday, 7 Feb 2004 12:42)
bori, I wonder about you - latex gloves!?!?! Although now you mention it...... (haha, that'll have everyone looking over past posts for mention of latex gloves, gigglegigglegiggle.
*slump* does anyone have skills at lockpicking? I should have, but I dont. I was off on that day at SAS training - climbing through some mud or other. See, I have just moved down south and am living with my big brother and the wife and (ecch) baby - and they are all out and I dont have a key so I cant go out. And its sunny as well.
GO AND HAVE A BATH YOU STINKING WENCH! DAGNAMMIT!
>>By Pomplemous (Saturday, 7 Feb 2004 12:54)
*clean and sweet smelling* here, smell me!
>>By Pomplemous (Saturday, 7 Feb 2004 13:43)
oooh I can smell that apple shampoo!!
Now who does that remind me of??
>>By borisette (Saturday, 7 Feb 2004 15:24)
um........give up, who?
I have been having a war film fest - a BOX of wine, a joint, just me, clean and sweet smelling, no more coffee (hee, dont want to undo my good work with the bath) - watching, Das Boot (favourite ever!!!!!!! ) and All quiet on the western front, starring John-Boy Walton - its a goody! and shortly I shall plunge into big brother's massive collection opf World at War. He has SO MANY videos - go on, name a video.....got it, another?......haha, nope, got it!
Can I make a sggestion to anyone who might want a suggestion made?.......dont all rush to put your hands up...........I'm waiting........hee - if you are bored, go and download a song called: Have you forgotten, by a band called the Red House Painters. Its the kind of thing you wouldnt mind putting on in front of your mother.
Beide machin nach halb vorous auf hundertseibzehn grad gehen.....anlauf beginnt! y'see? ever plonk me on a german submarine, you'll be alright in my hands! Makes me sound like some mad war-freak. Actually I love kittens and fluffy clouds and I like nougat and , and.....no wait there's more....I like a pretty view and just to be in nature and with no sounds of human interference anywhere - it makes me the happiest girl in the world to have a cat come to talk to me on my walk, to have a bird pop past with a bird in his mouth, all of that. sigh, put the wine down Caroline!
>>By Pomplemous (Saturday, 7 Feb 2004 16:11)
because I meant worm, not bird - makes me happy to see a worm pop past with a bird in his mouth
>>By Pomplemous (Saturday, 7 Feb 2004 16:15)
no, wait....
>>By Pomplemous (Saturday, 7 Feb 2004 16:15)
The Betrayal Of Our Troops
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?
objectid=13920518&method=full&siteid=50143
>>By bikergirl (Saturday, 7 Feb 2004 16:51)
http://www.bloc-online.com/about_writing/writers_talk/
aw_Marc_Lucas_dec03.htm
Recognise the name?
"Remember, it’s often easier to tell the truth in fiction that in non-fiction. According to Mark, there’s a famous writer of SAS memoirs whose best stories could never appear in a factual book…"
Well that explains one thing then...
>>By Bethan (Saturday, 7 Feb 2004 17:10)
Ohmigosh, Pomplemous...
You poor thing! Still a little concussed are we? What did you do -- head-butt the door to get back in? :o)
Hallo again, Alice!
<< have you heard about reforms in the SAS? ... reservists, a new organization and new missions for the 22nd SAS, and a few things are about the squabble amongst officers and non-coms. >>
No, we haven't really discussed this stuff! Do you have any articles or websites for any of this? I'd love to get into it!
Haha, Bethan...
Sure do recognize that name. I'm surprised he didn't actually name-drop the famous one like he usually does...
Thanks muchly for the link, Bikergirl...
Good article! Sad and way too true! And not the first time he's said such things...
Hey, Rose and Dhobi Queen...
Go read Bikergirl's linked article, would ya? And then you make sure to come back and tell me who wrote it, okay? Cuz, to me, that voice is way too damned familiar -- which is just the way I like it!!!
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 7 Feb 2004 18:33)
Borisette...
About the shampoo... If i am not mistaken he uses the scent of apple in both "Crisis Four" and "Dark Winter"
By the way as anyone heard about "Crisis Four" the film?
>>By Shoot-To-Kill (Saturday, 7 Feb 2004 20:31)
am-i-binned
tried to look for the article, but no longer available. The art of the ghost writer is simple, make lots and lots of tapes of the subject talking and then put it into novel form. It is very, very simple, check out Liz Rigby, she is a ghost writer for one SAS memoir and also has published at least one novel herself. Sorry to burst your bubble but Mitch is not capable of putting together a novel without his ghost writer, and more power to him. He has made Mark Lucus a rich man, and, of course, he introduced lots of other SAS would be writers to Mark. Though I doubt he would be the type to take a cut for that also. Much to noble a man for that.
>>By dhobi queen (Saturday, 7 Feb 2004 22:09)
dhobi queen-
you have to cut and paste both lines of the url link in order for it to work.
Please see my other reply to you on the Ryan board.
>>By Majorette (Saturday, 7 Feb 2004 22:40)
Please forgive my edginess, Dhobi Queen... (must be the full moon...)
Tried looking for LR, but only came up with odds & ends (an "Archers Quiz Book" and an article in The Guardian about an Afghan educational soap opera). Further nudges in the right direction would be appreciated.
As to art of ghostwriting -- I'm so glad you've finally revealed the secret truth! What amazing news for professional assistants and executive secretaries everywhere -- all those tapes transcribed, all that grammar corrected, their bosses ideas organized, refined, and proofed. Turns out they're all professional ghostwriters! Sheesh! I woulda never guessed! hahahaha!
Oh, and in case you were wondering... name-dropping does not escape notice, any more than when others have done it. Not real discrete. But then again, not real worth pursuing either...
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 7 Feb 2004 23:31)
Liz rigby, one of the ghost writers in Mark Lucas' stable, her only other novel was Total Eclipse, not a bad read.
>>By dhobi queen (Saturday, 7 Feb 2004 23:55)
ah ah ah! Ladies! I'll bang your heads together! ITs a discussion forum, that means we can all discuss, whatever the point of view.
dhobi queen is hereby ejected from the forum! haha - JOKE! I'm sorry, its late!
>>By Pomplemous (Sunday, 8 Feb 2004 01:51)
thank you for the vote of confidence!! I will not be posting again, I will reply to those of you who were kind enough to send me emails, but just not posting on here now I have the contacts I need, Thanks again, and enjoy drooling over Macho Man and the writings of one of Lucas's ghostwriters, it makes me smile that you are drooling over the character who is invented by a ghostwriter, and that writer might be female!! Guess that is why she/he resonates with so many women.
>>By dhobi queen (Sunday, 8 Feb 2004 02:14)
Oops! I am sorry I was joking! giggle - ah c'mon have a little imagination - who didnt fall in love with heathcliffe or or....Atticus? and why not? Why go bursting bubbles when there are so many more big bad things to do that for us? I wish you all the love and luck in the world and *sheepish* I hope you come back cos I am genuinely sorry! oh no!!!
>>By Pomplemous (Sunday, 8 Feb 2004 12:18)
I've just read the AM - mirror - article about the Betrayal of our Troops.
(fanx BG)
And i'd have a question for AM on that subject. :
"how do you explain the long list of soldiers longing to go into Iraq"
Here in Italy the soldiers who want to go there, just go there for the money. and I can tell you there is a long waiting list to join them.
We met a bloke some time ago, he'd just returned from iraq and said he wanted to go back in a couple of months, cause with the money he was earning going over there, he could buy an appartment and a nice car. I don't know how the financial situation in the UK is with soldiers, but it seems that over here they get paid quite some good money to join up. and most of the soldiers just do it for that. They don't care about the politicians, about SH or about the cause, or about WMD, it's all about money.
>>By borisette (Sunday, 8 Feb 2004 12:50)
I think that's what he (also) meant by saying: "not for her Majesty or the greater good" UK Commerce but also their own wallets?
But then... being a soldier is their job, for some they feel it's the only thing they can do well (or so I've understood from what I've read earlier) and with a job you make money - with the money you (also) take care of your family - not just big cars.
And what I got from the story is 'why destroy illusions - for the relatives sakes' Or, since that maybe be to idealistic, 'if we are gonna destroy illusions - be aware of what that does to the relatives'
Very odd, when he talked about 'oil' in the article I suddenly thought of Buddy - dunno why.
>>By Lynn (Sunday, 8 Feb 2004 14:43)
Hi, there is a big piece about the Soldier 5 book in the Sunday Mail newspaper here in the UK. Three pages and more next week so if you can get hold of a copy it should be a good read.
>>By Psicosis (Sunday, 8 Feb 2004 14:44)
Thanks Psicosis, but unfortunately for those who live abroad this ain't possible, only if we sneak into some international airport we could buy the newspaper, but thanks anyway, maybe you could lighten us up with what's written in the newspaper. and if you don't want to write it on the board you can always flork
>>By borisette (Sunday, 8 Feb 2004 15:51)
Re: Soldier Five
http://www.mainstreampublishing.com/
news_current.html
(6 Feb 2004) SOLDIER FIVE serialisation kicks off this weekend and the PR for Mike Coburn's visit at the beginning of March is now in place. He has a packed schedule and we are expecting a bestseller with a first print run of over 20,000 copies.
(4 Nov 2003) Very exciting news about a new acquisition. SOLDIER FIVE is the real story of the Bravo Two Zero mission by the last soldier to tell his tale. The British Government has done its utmost to thwart publication but after four and a half years of legal battles Mainstream will be publishing on March 4th 2004. The book was acquired from Robert Kirby at PFD. Orion were the under bidders. We have UK and Commonwealth Rights only (exc NZ) but if you are interested in rights direct any queries to me and I shall forward them on.
>>By am-i-binned (Sunday, 8 Feb 2004 17:38)
It wasn’t an interview but bits of the book, it makes Ashers account even more unbelievable as he said there were soldiers and anti aircraft guns.
But there was a bit where he said about the others in the patrol
On Mcnab he said a cockney though and though.
And Said Ryan was Quiet and softly spoken and deadly serious until he had five bottles of Newcastle Brown.
>>By Psicosis (Sunday, 8 Feb 2004 19:34)
To those of you who have pre-ordered Soldier Five: would you mind posting the ISBN-number?
Now then.... commenting the latest events at the Andy McNab board:
I had a chat with a Royal Marine the other day, and according to the word that goes around the internal RM/SBS/SAS campfire, the latest "revealing" posters are right.
This of course has led to the bursting of many an F-troopers bubble, but I suppose that's just the name of the game....
It's painstakingly obvious to me that whenever there's enough $$$'s (or £££'s in this instance), there will be men that will lapse to prostitution -- SAS or no SAS.
I'm convinced that McNab (and probably most other ex-Reg authors) at some point got majorly screwed over by the Regiment / "the establishment" . This to such an extent that the scalepan containing a pile of cash, outweighed the scalepan containing picture of squadron-mates and "esprit de cour".
At the end of the day.... it's all about the money, isn't it?
>>By ortlieb (Sunday, 8 Feb 2004 19:50)
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