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Re: Crisis Four movie, I check "Variety" (Hollywood industry periodical) every now and again and there hasn't been anything mentioned since 2001.
Ditto on http://www.darkhorizons.com/ which often has inside "scoops" on movies in the works. Another such website is
www.corona.bc.ca/films/ but this one makes no mention whatsoever of Crisis Four.
Sigh.
>>By Majorette (Sunday, 8 Feb 2004 21:06)
I agree it is all about money, though I think AM was falling into the simplistic trap when he refers to oil, there is a bigger picture, Dubya and his billionaire friends were spitting mad that Iraq changed from dollars to euros when pricing oil, and that Iran and N Korea are doing the same, this will spell disaster for the US economy, which is already in the worst state for many, many decades. And notice that those three countries have something in common, yep, the infamous axis of evil, hmmmm seems a coincidence. If you cant sleep and want to read more:
http://www.why-war.com/news/2003/01/26/thecurre.html
>>By a rose by any other (Monday, 9 Feb 2004 04:04)
Apparently there’s another new (UK) magazine, found an article:
“The one which, let me repeat, is called Nuts”
And it has “ I turned to a piece by Andy McNab about 'dropping' people in 'close-quarter battle'” (..) “ Two articles on the SAS, one on French special forces”
Anyone heard about or read this magazine??
>>By Lynn (Monday, 9 Feb 2004 10:00)
I can understand using a ghost writer for the first book, maybe the second, but dozens and fiction? I always thought ghost writers were used for biographical and non-fiction works. I'm going to assume it's the same one - dopey b****r. Why would you want to write a book for someone else knowing they were being paid a hundred times more for it, with none of the hard work?
I don't understand this ghostwriting thing. That's like me slaving my guts out in the lab for someone else to take the nobel prize. Makes no sense. So I'm not the selfless ghost writer type. I have to say though, if someone was daft enough to write me a bestseller and take none of the credit, would you turn them down? So the men obviously aren't stupid. "We're in the money....."
Now here's a question, is the Coburn book ghostwritten? Ooooooh....
>>By Bethan (Monday, 9 Feb 2004 10:32)
i WOULD HAVE LIKED THE IDEA MORE ABOUT am WRITING THE FIRST BOOK (COS IT WAS GOOD) AND THEN PAP FOR THE REST OF IT - i MEAN i HALF MANAGED TO STAY AWAK EFOR HALF OF iNDE..SORRY, lIBERATION DAY AND ITS ONE BIG BORING RECCE - JEEZ, IT'D oops be a runner up for a tourist map of Nice or something -
Nuts huh? I wouldnt shout that one out too much cos what a shitey magazine - women! dont expect any help on a thursday! Man, I would disown any man I knew buying that! however, for the sake of a peek at an AM article, I could disguise it in a more upmarket magazine and then read it in the shop before surrepticiously putting it down again.
>>By Pomplemous (Monday, 9 Feb 2004 11:51)
Yee Gods, "strike a light", firecrackers have been going off left-right-and-centre since I last posted.
Com'n F-Troop I've never seen so much lying down and letting the dust settle in the wake of strafer fire!!!
Well, now, big smackeroo kisses and giant hugs (all round) for those who twig who's talking here. Then again, maybe there will be the odd one or two who will draw back, take a deep breath and say (whisper): "Oh Christ, who let her out of the cage?"
Gun primed, claws sharpened, you can come out now F-Troop and stand your ground. You're not really going to let a washerwo/man (DQ )hang Andy's underpants out to air without holing DQ's in passing, surely?
AIB picked up on DQ's name-dropping, which was a tad overtly puked on stale air time. much aired freshly sweet of course (who is who SAS/SBS author wise) a hundred times before during F-Troop camp-fire gatherings, though far more discreetly chewed over: mouths shut while masticating the delectable fleshy tones of AM amid smiles. Must confess I'm intrigued as to why someone posted strafer fire, claims to have made contacts, and then runs away at the first sign of modest return fire. Come now Dhoby Queen, you can't possibly want to slip away without checking my credentials, and I feel sure it won't be long before someone here posts my previous nick. Someone has either nicked my previous nick on flork, or flork won't let you re-signup as before! (twicky wicky stuff)
Love Rosebao's piece on the wider picture of war, but sadly one has to make allowances for the mind-set of peoples who read The Mirror and other crappy tabloids, poor darlings, and what can one say about war in a military sense? Unfortunately, join the Navy/Army/Air Force to see the World is a fab recruitment slogan, but it takes not a genius to see the underlying quote: "Join the Navy/Army/Air Force to see the World, (smallprint) and if we go to war during your time of Service don't cry if you get shot at, don't cry if ammo runs short, don't scream compensation for cock-ups; that dear warrior is the reality of War."
Bethan, <<<cough>>> ghosting:
There are loads of authors who've written crap novels (written one bestseller maybe, and traded off for years on that one bestselling book their follow-ups all the time limping in with modesta sales figures, and when they find themselves approached to ghost for a celeb, it has more to do with keeping their Lit agents off the wagon, (contracts are a two-way thing: usually, and often subject to time-limit) than it does about their skill as writers.
Ghosting confidentially for a friend (someone who becomes a friend) has a different kind of pay-off.
Then there are ghosts, well-thought-of-ghosters, who don't relish the public eye yet know they've written a bestseller. Not everyone wants to be bathed in the glory of being the name!!!
Then there are co-written books: a celeb name in bold print, the co-writer in ( ) or small print, somertimes only mentioned inside the book: preface/introduction.
If you're a truly observant reader, you can sometimes see where one/two/three people have been used as audio/typist/editors/etc., a prime example is to pick up a Jilly Cooper blockbuster and note where one copy typist stopped and another began = separate parts of the manuscript given to separate secretaries/typists, whatever. No matter how good a copy typist is personal inflections/interpretations creep in: this phenomina common in bestselling books.
Strangely, as I once said about AM's books, there was a "noticeable" change in overall presentation within AM books post Crisis Four!!!
>>By devonwren (Monday, 9 Feb 2004 17:41)
Bethan
have to agree with Wren, better to be paid a third of the contract as a ghostwriter than get nothing from a book under your own name. A ghostwriter for the guys I know, got a third, so that is a nice pay cheque, and they are known in literary circles, this is usually enough for them, might not be known by the chattering classes, but that is ok!
>>By a rose by any other (Monday, 9 Feb 2004 18:26)
Reason no one could find Liz Rigby was because she is goes by the title Liz Rigbey!! That all essential E factor, and now I know why the men in the Archers are portrayed as WIMPS, BASTARDS, or plain USELESS!!!!!!!!!
You know I hate it when women script writers constantly bash men, same as lead women execs in film companies who specialise in advertising: men yet again portrayed as inconsequential. Dear God, without them, (some) a kitchen would be a more tidy place (mucky sandwich making), and yes only a few put their underpants in the linen bin, but where would we be without men? Personally speaking: life wouldn't be worth all that much if you didn't have one to whisper sweet nothings from time to time, and the rest! Any offers?
http://www.penguin.co.uk/
Author/AuthorFrame/
0,1020,,00.html?id=1000048311
http://www.allreaders.com/
Topics/Info_17997.asp
http://www.dreamscape.com
/rebrown/r-z.htm
Why would Liz Rigbey need/want to ghost write for a SAS man? Unless, of course...
>>By devonwren (Monday, 9 Feb 2004 18:33)
Well <<<cough>>> I've just finished ghosting for a mate (SF), purely personal, and I'll do it again for anyone who wants a highly discreet individual to discuss possible story lines. Even his (author?) publisher/lit agent has no idea he's used ghost writers before, and I met him through this very message board. How weird is that (fortunate)?
House move, Lynn: put on hold due to head down to manuscript. Rest now, and rethink on move, like picking up paint brushes again to finish the unfinished.
>>By devonwren (Monday, 9 Feb 2004 18:42)
Wren
tthanks for finding RigbEy. As I said a third of the advance fee when she takes 6 years between book one and two!! Why they ask her to be a ghostwriter? The Collins autobio needed to be more touchy/feely maybe, not the same genre as AM. I do know that according to the news of the suicide of Collins, he was found in her garage in Hampshire and in her car. the art of the ghost writer is to sound just like the author, hence thousand hours of taping, who would guess that Tom Read had an aussie ghost writer, not a mention of sheilas anywhere in that book!! And Hereford isn't the same without him... : (
>>By a rose by any other (Monday, 9 Feb 2004 20:47)
Not very classy about Frank Collins, you must be a withering species Rose.
>>By Lynn (Monday, 9 Feb 2004 22:09)
I wouldn't have said FC's book needed to be upped on a touchy-feely scale, he was a highly sensitive/emotional individual.
Why do people assume men are less emotional than women?
That's a much trickier question to answer than you might all think, unless you're a man!!
I'll let you into a secret. I've had the most macho of men imagineable walk through my door. Of those some have spilled their hearts out right off, some desperately fighting back tears, anger, frustration, (for all manner of reasons), while others had a cool-and-be-damned attitude (no less emotional/confused inside) but eventually the disturbing trouble was outed in the end, maybe weeks down the line from first intro, then their were others who were charming, attentive, all the while hiding/holding that which they m,ost wanted to say and couldn't/wouldn't, but never did I ask questions/put words in their mouths: they had to want to, had to trust in me, trust that what they said wouldn't go beyond me. These were men who couldn't reveal a portion of what ailed them (mentally) to a military psychologist/psichiatrist, why (?) because if they had they would have been RTU'd or thrown out, when all they needed was to be able to talk freely without reciminations or threats of failure in the field of macho is what macho does and that is not to think too much or cry too much! Not all their troubles were military related in the sense of happened in the miltary, but battle fatigue (other) often brought things from the past to the fore like bloody great black holes they could get out of!!!!
>>By devonwren (Monday, 9 Feb 2004 22:21)
Could should read as "couldn't get out of"
Then their should read "then there were others"...
Brain too fast for finger power.
>>By devonwren (Monday, 9 Feb 2004 22:25)
Bugger my spelling/typos tonight. It's Sh*t!!
>>By devonwren (Monday, 9 Feb 2004 22:28)
Sorry buddy Devonwren, got distracted by thorns -
so....... who was it that let you out?? ;o)
Not to worry - friendly fire only... (eeerr..can be very damaging too but not meant in that way here)
Welcome back. Baptism of Fire was a very good read, I'm very attached to the book - one of those gifts you very appreciate.
Ghostwriter, editor - who cares. The book read coming from the heart (of Frank Collins) and that's (I pressume) what it was supposed to be....
I don't assume men are less emotional than women, I do assume they don't express themselves as easily as women (leaving aside exceptions to the rule - of course) - that is .... unless they are offered the right circumstances/opportunity??
>>By Lynn (Monday, 9 Feb 2004 23:33)
you miss understand me, buddy/wren asked
"Why would Liz Rigbey need/want to ghost write for a SAS man? Unless, of course..." and I answered, to write the FC book, didn't need a macho ghost writer, but a more sympathetic ear, if you had met Nish's then you would know what i meant. FC's book was more personal, than the others, talking about faith etc, Rigbey was Lucas's appointment, he knows how to pair up these people and it works well, you all love AM's books, thanks to his ghost writer. Quite what Buddy/wren was suggesting with her/his....... at the end of the comment I dont know, but just filing you in on some of the background, it was in the Mail and other papers, nothing secret there. It made interesting reading for the tabloids of course, as he was a priest and married with 4 kids.
>>By a rose by any other (Tuesday, 10 Feb 2004 01:21)
no can play any more guys. If you know me you know where to get me. Florking won't work.
take care, speak soon
>>By Paul R (Tuesday, 10 Feb 2004 07:49)
Rose: "it was in the Mail and other papers, nothing secret there"
That is true but not all that was in the papers needs to be repeated here, especially for those kids.
Sorry to hear PR.
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 10 Feb 2004 09:25)
Seeya Paul, guess part three has disappeared into the wilderness too.....
>>By Bethan (Tuesday, 10 Feb 2004 09:48)
No! Paul! was it something I said? giggle
>>By Pomplemous (Tuesday, 10 Feb 2004 10:44)
Re HIS/HER:
Anyone with sense of discretion/integrity will opt for genderless talk, more especially within a public forum!
There is quite a difference in being knowledgeable about a literary subject, inclusive said author, and discussing his/her merits in measured terms - more importantly on a personal basis - than that of publicly proclaiming insider knowledge with seeming intent to disgrace "named" author.
In all honesty I don't like specific aspects of AM's books yet much of what is written has the essential ingredient of dry-mouth thrill factor, and as a reminder to all I've never read his earlier books. I started at Crisis Four, (the reason being not important to board members because it was a personal thingy!!) but I did notice a change not only in the writing but the overall persona of NS (AM) LL/LD/DW...Would I want to discuss this in depth, yes, but with McNab not the board. Why? Because the board cannot possibly reveal the Y factor that Mcnab would, or should I say I would perceive/assess the Y factor from his verbal/mannerisms!
I would like to say one thing about ghostwriters, and that is, if like Rose says, (or near as damn it what she said) a good one gets into the mind set of the author, what a pity then that Frank Collins ghostwriter didn't see from within the mind set the tragedy that was about to happen. Now I could say here, that if one plays with fire one can get burnt!!! That is however harsh on the ghostwriter, and as Rose has quite plainly indicated, the lit agent put the author and ghostwriter together, and that is a case of a Magician way out of his depth and playing with Fatal (attraction) Magic !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You see, the mind set of these men happens to be extremely vulnerable, and time and time again it has been said on here, and McNab has repeatedly said, he can walk life without any hangup about his military life (he's lying - the pain of military & personal life shows in his books) and the same goes for most writers writing from the heart (ghosted or not). I am not talking writers/novelists who write purely for profit and personal prestige, I'm talking writers who have lived lives most novelists dream of (or not) and look to make big bucks from.
To give you an example: in order to relax post ghosting I settled down with some brand spanking new hardback books I picked up through a BC sale for 2.99 a piece. In truth I wouldn't have paid that much had I had a chance to read the first few pages. They were the most mundane/boring books I've read in years, all similar in content: about individual women who were or became friends...
The Titles to avoid are, so-called bestselling books: "The Dark-Eyed Girls by Judith Lennox - "Wild Flowers" by Virginia Andrews - "Three Weeks in Paris" by Barbara Taylor Bradford. The latter so disappointing that quite frankly I almost committed the cardinal sin of throwing all three into the rubbish bin for collection this very morning, then I thought oh well, I'll save them as a gift for boring people, then I couldn't think of anyone I know who could be classed as so boring to warrent that kind of punishment. Hence, they'll be headed for a charity shop.
Paul R, I hope I can locate your grey image in the mists of times past! <<"Christ, that'll entail some serious memory bashing on the numbers game to the grey tail!!>>
>>By devonwren (Tuesday, 10 Feb 2004 11:43)
Lynn, meant to say in answer to cage question...
I got a rather nice gilded cage with a flip catch: enables one to fly free when in the mood!
>>By devonwren (Tuesday, 10 Feb 2004 12:38)
Very catty! ;o)
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 10 Feb 2004 13:17)
Paul R : nooooooooo I was planning to come Down under for X-mas, I need some info, you can't bl**dy leave like that and I ain't got ya email, mate. Well that's bl**dy tipicall now isn't it.
DQ : Wooooosh that's some stabbing and flapping towards AM you got there, girlie. And so you have his tel num, well what would i do with that, call the man and say what "Hi it's me borisette from F-troop" well that sounds daft. And then maybe his wife would answer first, well that's not nice. Plus I'm married so what the hell would I call him for. (you ain't seen my hubby yet, misses) And I think one deserves some privacy no matter what. Frankly I'm not bothered where he lives or what he does. If I'm here it's cause I've read some of his books and I enjoyed them, they got me brain neurons away from the usual anatomy or pathology books i usually read. And this board has given me a lot of new friends, and not all of them are AM - fans. Maybe you think I'm ingenuine, naive, ooooooh well I'll go with that, So honey it's nice to know you know some of the guys, but I'd be carefull with what you reveal about them, cause we're not the only ones reading this board, and you never know who's behind the corner. No offence, dear.
Devonwren : can you give me that inside-leg measurement please!
Anyway some serious stuff now :
Hands up who 's read any Duncan Falconer books!!!! ME! and Trident ( I think). Any comments about him, DF offcourse, I didn't mean comments about TRidy.
>>By borisette (Tuesday, 10 Feb 2004 13:53)
Translate this :
" sono proprio brava a scrivere le cazzate!"
>>By borisette (Tuesday, 10 Feb 2004 13:55)
Gentle reminder about integrity and sincerity!!!
You see, when you become a true confidante to men in SF units all their troubles become yours, and you have to learn to live with their fantasies/horrors/nightmares, carry them on your back and never off-load to someone else, because if you do they can no longer trust you, implicitly...
If you sell the above information you are prostituting yourself to the world of scandal, who was it here mentioned prostitutiing to publishers (orty? - probably, setting the board all a titter), and of course if you give the info away for for "free" by standing on a public forum you're just tramping yourself from the gutter. So please, let's keep poo off the grass and any on the path must be scooped and suitably poopered with apologies!!
>>By devonwren (Tuesday, 10 Feb 2004 16:28)
Zippy, where for art thou? C'mon folks, own up, whose got Zippy in their pocket?
>>By devonwren (Tuesday, 10 Feb 2004 16:31)
Borisette: you get AM's number you ring and tell him to change it, because otherwise he'll have microwaved ears (being polite - seeing as he'll drop the phone sharpish with screaming women on the other end)
Last thing you want is him going all soppy and floppy...Crumbs, trees would have a whole new meaning to him, not so much huggable as dreamy phallic symbolism...
>>By devonwren (Tuesday, 10 Feb 2004 16:40)
I'm bored of this "I know more personal stuff than you lot". I don't want to read personal info, whether they be alive or dead, AM or otherwise. Yes Rosey that is aimed at you. Just because the popular press has stated it, doesn't make it okay to spout it here. Frankly it's none of our business and friends would respect that.
Stick to books or taking the p*ss by all means, leave the personal stuff to their family and friends. Thanks.
>>By Bethan (Tuesday, 10 Feb 2004 17:00)
OK, Bethan's on Park Patrol: fines all round for not using the poop scoop!!
Any news on the AM Beano books? Just a prod in the grass for the kids around here.
Guess it's back to speculation time... What next in AM book?
a) Who gets the chop.
b) Who gets to bed NS.
c) Where will it be set
d) Will NS pick up the tab on Carrie's kid, now.
e) Will Carrie snuggle up with someone else.
f) Will NS stroll into the sunset with an empty heart.
Your move....
>>By devonwren (Tuesday, 10 Feb 2004 18:32)
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