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Well I'm sure that none of us is "intent" to insult anyone in the first place, especially SAS, SBS and their regim.
Ok this is a McNab board and we "do" discuss his books and other military stuff aswell, but every now and then we like to lighten things up a bit. As you 're probably British, where's your sense of humour? The british have always laughed at them selves on everything, and that doesn't mean that they are offending anybody, now does it? So no offence, buddy. If you don't like some posts, then simply don't read them.
>>By borisette (Wednesday, 14 Jan 2004 19:06)
THE YES-MAN TOTALY AGREES WITH ANY INSULTS THAT ARE BEING SAID ABOUT READIT...
>>By Yes-Man (Wednesday, 14 Jan 2004 19:33)
Hellooo
Sorry not been around for a couple of days..been doing lovey dovey stuff...and recovering from not having my books back. Anyone fancy CQB in the Midlands? Location..my older brother's house...rapidly aging balding 41 yr old in need of a flash bang up his arse..lol
Ortileb - re your post Tues 13 Jan 14.26hrs:
you asked my advice as a clinical psychotherapist in terms of the exerpt... I would say that it isn't completely unlikey that the child would have acted like that...given her situation, she probably was in shock & had early stages of PTSD herself!! (this would have been a more plausable way to go..) So she may well have answered in the way she did due to disassociation from her feelings. Seven year old's do have alot of Adult functioning...younger..not likely, but by 7 in terms of child development, it is possible. She would have cried later though, uncontrollably due to the loss...and possibly then encountered severe dreams & flashbacks,& huge amounts of anger/rage for a while through her grieving process. Children are amazingly resilient to loss. This is largely due to a huge amount of magical thinking that kids have which adults lose. I have worked with children for many years who have encountered very severe losses...their families being killed etc, and usually it is later the problems really start...weeks & months later... They can be incredibly pragmatic.
I think in this case though, it is more about the writer retaining Nick Stone's life position as a rescuer & his own narcissism which comes across here. The child's answer, in relation to Stone, is therefore possible if she sensed his pain in this, & she wanted to also rescue him. Taking care of each other's emotional needs in this way is called symbiosis in psychotherapy. I think Stone invited her into symbiosis, and she agreed. I think this is what happened in this interaction.
That'll be £50 thanks...
Tabby
>>By TabariGoddess (Wednesday, 14 Jan 2004 21:20)
Fanx, Tabby...
How about if I pick up the bill on this one cuz from what you've just written I think I owe you, too... :o)
>>By am-i-binned (Wednesday, 14 Jan 2004 21:39)
SORRY PPL...
I have been gettin flork about borisette not insulting readit...
I was actually following peoples advice about lightning up and havin a better sense of humour...
IT WAS A JOKE... (nothing serious and sorry if i offended any1)
>>By Yes-Man (Wednesday, 14 Jan 2004 22:08)
As a clinical psychotherapist, TabariGoddess, (same as Buddy the ex SAS widow who no longers posts messages on this Andy McNab board) and like all Brit psychotherapists, psychologists, and psychiatrists, and just about every other professional in the world of PTSD, you must know about Josie.
Anyone wanting to read a true-life account of a girl in similar circumstances to Nick Stone's Kelly might like to read Josie's Story, and her remarkable recovery process.
Accounts of the case involving the brutal death of her mother and sister, and the man eventually charged with their murder is most probably available on the Internet. I won't repeat the killer's name here, other than to say he and Nick share something in common.
>>By readit (Thursday, 15 Jan 2004 01:23)
Sense of humour and lightening up and lightning up, yep and I can oblige on the semtex angle no problem for bright lights and big bang!!
Insults can't hurt me I'm not a big name author, tho a mate of mine is and he wouldn't want the kind of publicity this board is giving McNab, oh no no no no. 127 pages of sniping, bickering, egotistical women, shooting him up the a*se and naff wannabe paint-gun daubing at each other, nah you keep right on sending up McNab is my mate's best hope of staying top of the bestseller game for men out here looking in.
BTW. Chamonixboarders send their best wishes for your endeavours in making McNab look a complete tosser. Not that I agree entirely with everything the lads say, tho do think this board is the most comprehensive guide to laugh-a-minute at McNab's expence.
I love it, don't stop, please, it might even become the highlight of my days off piste.
>>By readit (Thursday, 15 Jan 2004 01:43)
>if everyone agrees with you then BABES can disappear elsewhere
This is the other half in agreement...bags packed...ready to be turfed out on the street...
>>By bikergirl (Thursday, 15 Jan 2004 12:31)
Borisette, Yeah, Brits take the piss out of each other big time, pity same can't be said of McNab fans on the board here.
See buddy gave 'em a run with panto sketch, and did F-Troop like her mickey take? Did they hell. Nah, F-Troop can't hack as good as they give.
I feel sorry for Andy boy. This message board does him no favours at all.
Hey, Yes-Man, sent a privy message in response to graffiti!! Shame on you lad, thought you had more b*lls than go hide behind a flower pot.
>>By readit (Thursday, 15 Jan 2004 12:39)
Hey bikergirl, cut the revs, can't you all see what you're doing to McNab? There he is trying to get all serious and morally responsible for the planet we live on (tree-hugging and recycled paper) and all you wanna do is make him a laughing stock.
Some fans you are.
And where's the discussion of his books I did my very best to get underway. I get offers to discuss the books in Flork, and that gets me asking myself why, when this is the message board where his books are supposed to be reviewed, mulled over, thoughts exchanged and kicked around.
Why all the silence? Was it something I said? Truth hurts, I know, but think of Andy, think of his reputation. If I was him I wouldn't want anyone knowing about this board. So why not calm down, straighten your knickers, and talk books.
>>By readit (Thursday, 15 Jan 2004 12:51)
See buddy gave 'em a run with panto sketch, and did F-Troop like her mickey take? Did they hell. Nah, F-Troop can't hack as good as they give
It makes perfect sense now. Thank you mate!
>>By Bethan (Thursday, 15 Jan 2004 14:04)
I did start discussing dark winter with you but unfortunately my post got deleted. In a nutshell, DW is the only let-down book for me, too repetitive, digs up the past too much.
>>By Bethan (Thursday, 15 Jan 2004 14:09)
I've learnt from this morning!!
I get the impression that you don't really care about McNab or his bleeding heart, just writing down what you're told. Am I right??
>>By Bethan (Thursday, 15 Jan 2004 14:09)
S'cuse me?
Told what to write? You have to be joking. Haven't you learnt yet how in the SAS we have to think and do for ourselves. Orders is alien!
Can you clarify what you're thinking. I can second guess but could be way off target if I put buddy up as a red flag. You got beef in that quarter? Wouldn't surprise me that's someone who can read other people like books. Goes with the training tho.
Bleeding heart, McNab? He can spin with the best. We had to, he had to, and I could tell you tales enough about NI to put your hair on end involving McNab. Laugh is I was on the same side technical like and working against him at the time.
I picked up your side swipe at Dark Winter then some jerk went wally shot. So what else about DW struck you as unusual, fantastic, what ever, besides one liner and something about______ Forgot what you did say after that. Remind me.
>>By readit (Thursday, 15 Jan 2004 14:33)
Todays lesson is from the Book of Genius, Chapter 1, verses 1-4
1. And it came to pass that, on the 14th day, much wast writ.
2. Verily the disciples didst read that which wast writ
and they were filled with mighty dread.
3. "Fear not" spake the Angel of the Board "for that which is writ
is of syntax muchly like that which was e'er writ in days gone.
4. Thus didst the disciples praise the Board for the
return of the prodigal.
>>By bikergirl (Thursday, 15 Jan 2004 15:20)
So the tell you what to write may have been a little uncalled for, but again, I wrote what I thought, you have to admit it's suspicious when your first post was via buddy. That'll probably be deleted so I'll start again. Oh and yes man come up with a better argument than that for god's sake….
>>By Bethan (Thursday, 15 Jan 2004 15:42)
Actually I have no "beef with buddy". I actually like her directness, people calling a spade a spade is fine with me. We all need a little put down now and again. I tell buddy herself when I don't agree…..
>>By Bethan (Thursday, 15 Jan 2004 15:42)
That will probably go too, so Dark Winter. Don't you think there's a lot of repeating? I mean in every book there'll be an over-lap but I don't think there should be that much repetition. I really liked the way he and Suzy interacted, ah trying not to give things away. I can't remember how to do the spoiler thing!! From England time onwards (so that's probably at less than half way) I loved the book, until I ruined the ending for myself. Everything built up nicely, and you didn't see the main bit coming… Jesus that makes no sense. Nevermind. Now I can't remember what I said this morning. Bang our heads together and we might be able to come up with it between us.
My current favourite McNab? Crisis Four. That's flavour of the month. If he gave us another book like that I'd be delighted. What about Chris Ryan do you read him? Don't go on that board then, I'll get another telling off!! Now mg don't delete this I've been nice and I'm discussing the books!!
>>By Bethan (Thursday, 15 Jan 2004 15:43)
It's so hard for me to keep all the Nick Stone novels straight in my head; I read them all so quickly, one right after the other.... but I guess I'd have to say that my favorite book (so far) is Firewall (still waiting for LD and DW to appear on bookshelves over here). I loved the way Nick Stone is such a magnet for bad luck. (That scene where he has to buy a Lion King watch is absolutely hysterical.) American authors tend to make the hero a goldenboy- they don't ever have to use the bathroom and everything goes according to plan. That's one of the reasons I stopped reading Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan series. What a goody two shoes. Perfect life, perfect wife, perfect kid, uncorrupt, boring!
At least Nick Stone is more realistic. I feel sorry for the guy, even though I don't always agree with what he's doing.
>>By Majorette (Thursday, 15 Jan 2004 16:27)
Speaking of American authors, can anyone recommend some books by American soldiers that are on par with Bravo Two Zero?
Also, how does one pronounce SAS? (is it spelled out "S A S" or is it pronounced as "sass"?)
Thanks much!
>>By Majorette (Thursday, 15 Jan 2004 16:32)
Most of the time it is spelled out S A S...
but some people in the armed forses or the sas pronounce it sass but that is quite rare...
or you could just call it the regiment.
i dont agree with firewall being his best book. ive never really been that bothered about that one.
remote control was the best for me .
actually i think if i put them in order of rank, firewall would be at the last
Remote Control
Dark winter
Liberation Day
Crisis Four
Last Light
Firewall
with Immediate Action and Bravo Two Zero fitted in around the top 3...
>>By Yes-Man (Thursday, 15 Jan 2004 16:46)
Bethan, lurking can teach you a lot too. I had thought on joining up and then why did I realised buddy was gone. I checked her out and got the psycho message to post for Ortlieb if I was going to stick with it. Damn this using buddy title, she's Cindy to me, so F*ck it I'm going for gold here, likely death if she reads this in a couple of days time.
You will find a flork message and I hope you will pass it around. I'm putting my neck on the line with that post. I could be dead by next week.
Dark Winter. Stephen King ending weren't it? Lovely jubbley.
>>By readit (Thursday, 15 Jan 2004 17:28)
Readit
Dark winter - classic ending. Absolutely distraught though....
I have florked you, but I'll post here so everyone can see. I'm not going to pass on the message, I've made the point before chinese whispers are a pet hate of mine. Any nosey questions they won't get answered. If buddy wants you to know, she'll say.
>>By Bethan (Thursday, 15 Jan 2004 17:44)
The (Andy McNab) Thought for the Day
"The cycles really of the interrogations and stress positions went on over a period of about 24 hours. And the interrogators were brilliant actors. You know, they would start with a nice friendly approach and suddenly just throw a switch and then there’d be this big frenzy, big frenzy of abuse."
(transcribed from audio of Immediate Action; Andy McNab narrator)
>>By am-i-binned (Thursday, 15 Jan 2004 17:47)
I agree that the ending of DW was unlike AM..
I thought he would have kept kelly in for a bit longer...
never mind...
it kept me hangin on to the book though...
GOOD READ...
sorry about all the deleated effing earlier
>>By Yes-Man (Thursday, 15 Jan 2004 19:27)
It don't hurt man to stop and think some times and I been doing that about the buddy issue and why you women gets uptight at mention of buddy. I let cat out of bag last flork message Bethan and shouldn't have. You women could drive any man to drink and god help McNab if he's reading this fan forum. Should get him round the twist quick time. What I wanted to say was how you all got buddy wrong. Entrapment was buddy's forte. Take an Irish pub. Arab racecourse. Embassy dinner. USAF Base. Yeah, gets the mind working overtime don't it. I worked a few of those jobs with buddy and on one memorable night lost contact with her. I was shitting myself and four hours later thinking fuck she could be in serious shit. She had no panic button to push for the cavalry to abseil through the bloody window and rescue her if caught tampering, and I ended up on the wrong side of the building where kosher chauffeurs and bodyguards were allotted for fags and coffee. It was a bloody miracle for me when she walked away calm as you like and asked me to light a cigarette because her hands wouldn't stop shaking. Gets you like that sometimes and that night cost me dear. It was the straw that broke this camel's back. I was fucked for weeks. Couldn't think straight and who got me through it. Buddy.
___CUT TEXT HERE___
Could get me shot, and cause public embarrassment for me and McNab.
#
I get to keep my head. Buddy OK'd this.
She's gone incommunicado right now tho. Says she won't be back to the board. Some of what she was involved in is now public domain if you know where to look. I knew that ;-)
>>By readit (Thursday, 15 Jan 2004 19:49)
Readit...
PUBLIC Forum
PRIVATE Information
POOR Judgment
BAD Decision
>>By am-i-binned (Thursday, 15 Jan 2004 22:13)
>>By readit: You women could drive any man to drink
Ever thought of wanking?
I hate it when boys-men-males (I am one, either anyone's interested or not!) say these stupid remarks, shows they have nothing else intelligent to talk about. So demoralizing and useless! Bah...
Hi all, I've little time this period, hopefully will manage to answer some questions from the previous pages (for sure some are already forgotten; hey, I too tend to forget them! *whimper* ), perhaps in the weekend, dunno! :(
I've alot in mind, been thinking at work of what to say and how to expose them.
readit: I agree in wanting to discuss Mr Andy's books, as what you've said in the beginning, so why not start saying something else? Stop complaining and ask some questions, I'm sure there'll be some answers.
Damn I've lost so much from this week.
[-(
'Night all, I'm off to Zzz-land (it's 12:02 a.m.).
:)
>>By Deusrexmachina (Friday, 16 Jan 2004 00:04)
Hey all,
Readit, whenever you're still there, you said: "I could tell you tales enough about NI to put your hair on end involving McNab."
You could? Then do it. I'm here to talk about McNab and I'm interested in any story of the kind, even if he's not showed in a favourable light.
I hope you're not like many people who say "I know a lot" and say immediatly after "but you know I can't tell you". That doesn't make sense and it's too easy.
>>By alice (Friday, 16 Jan 2004 00:16)
Hi all,
This may be old news, but has anybody see that article titled, "McNab finds SAS Iraq memorial to Bravo Two Zero", in the Sunday Telegraph, Nov 2, 2003? It discusses his first trip back to Iraq since the events of Bravo Two Zero unfolded. It also says he wrote about this experience in the Telegraph Review (which I cannot find).
Anyway, if you want to read the bit about the cairn that other SAS troopers built on the banks of the Euphrates to honor Bob Consiglio and "Legs" Lane, you know who to flork. If anybody has the companion piece that he wrote on his first return to Iraq, I'd love to see it.
>>By Majorette (Friday, 16 Jan 2004 02:03)
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