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Message from Just Jon9:07 PM on July 1
You were NOT in the forces, you lying faggot. If you were, it was as a f***ing nurse or something. If you think you're proving a point, you are--that you're a f***ing benny.
I can make fun of you far better than you can ever make fun of me, and I can kick your ass as well. So give it up and go cry elsewhere, you piece of sh)t limey c*m-gurgler
actually matey I was a sapper for 17 years 1983 to 2000, thats combat engineer in the Royal Engineers, served operational tours in northern Ireland, Bosnia and Gulf War part one, bit more realistic than your computer games jonboy...so where did you serve? ...or is it that you are just a forces groupie...never actually had the balls to join up...couldnt take the bullshit or the sweat or the piss awful conditions that soldiers sometimes face eh?
you really do seem upset by what i have said, perhaps thats why you never joined up..... not mentally stable enough couldn't quite hack the criticisms eh...either ran for your mums apron to cling to or more than likely an automatic weapon to go slaughter some innocents in macdonalds cos the world was so oppressive to you..
oh by the way jonny if my dad was a homo he got through 22 years of army service leaving as a W02, siring 6 kids on the way, without being found out and kicked out of the forces....quite an accomplishment during the 50's and 60's, and for the homo that he was its suprising that two of his sons also made WO2 in the Royal engineers and a daughter made Sgt in the monkeys (Royal military Police)
I have never said that i have killed in battle, lets face it for a sapper to have to openly engage the enemy then the plan has gone totally ratshit, i just commented on the difference between how the limey c*m-guzzlers operate and the cheerleader behaviour of some US troops, but thats just what we brits come to expect of some of your nations troops.
I didnt follow the link you have above, I could guess well enough what the content is... dead squaddies no doubt....get off on finding thinngs like that on the internet do you mate have wee dribble of saliva when you come across corpses on the net.... I have seen and smelled 'em for real....have you jonnny boy....you must have done cos that's obviously what gives you the authority to...what's it you septics say..."diss me"
and finally...WTF is a benny? is he the geezer from crossroads or are you just referring to falkland islanders...got the expression from some military book did you?...and they aint bennies anymore matey they're 'stills'....
>>By BushisaManiac (Sunday, 2 Jul 2006 04:03)
Hey reighnman
The numbers came from the CNN website this evening not my fault if more have been killed since then or if they are being killed faster than CNN can update.
And yes friendly fire is always possible....actually with american A10 pilots its more than probable....in the 80's in germany we had to study posters and cards with silhouettes of BRDM's and BMP's you know they were the 'enemy' when I joined up....I guess US pilots should study silhouette cards of Warriors and 432's, spartans, CET's, samsons, and other UK CVRT's..but i guess you can't blame them, if it aint a bradley or an abrahams then it must be the muthaf**kin enemy!!
>>By BushisaManiac (Sunday, 2 Jul 2006 04:14)
Why is this guy answering personal florks on an Andy McNab message board? I hope you're not looking for support, dude, because you'll find none here.
That you couldn't see the sarcasm in my "video game" post just goes to show how stupid you really are. And if you actually had a bit of sense, you'd have realized long ago that I'm actually anti-war, I'm just not anti-American like you.
But I'm glad to find out you were actually an engineer...Man, that must have been scary. Your sister was in a more manly job than you, and I'm sure that hurts on some deep level. Don't blame us Yanks for your own shortcomings, though. Blame your sister for finding Rosie O'Donnell's fist attractive.
And by the way...When U.S. forces kill Brits...Yeah, it's an "accident." Heh.
>>By Just Jon (Sunday, 2 Jul 2006 04:28)
BTW, Bushisamaniac, if you don't get banned I'm going to start insulting you.
>>By Just Jon (Sunday, 2 Jul 2006 04:37)
Nope mate,
She spent a lot of her service in Northern Ireland and didnt mention a Rosie O'Donnell to me, and as for her finding another womans fist's attractive, well she didnt quite mention that either...talk with your sis about her fisting habits do you?..I didnt know that your star spangled holier than thou righteousness allows that sort of thing.
If i were an Engineer, blanket stacker, driver, nurse or whatever i think its immaterial i think that you are a wee bit jealous of anyone that has actually got the balls to serve.........
and i have read a lot of what you have written here on the board...and i wouldnt say you were anti-war i would say that you have some serious personality disorders...you bite like a rabid dog when i criticise the gung-ho attitude of some of your forces yet a few posts earlier you call them the whermacht....just makes you seem rather sad and confused to me matey boy
>>By BushisaManiac (Sunday, 2 Jul 2006 04:48)
I am sure most of this will get poofed, but other then counting dead bodies from the Clinton News Network, what is the hatred of G-Dub? I mean really Bushman, you remind me of Jane Fonda and todays Cindy Sheehan.
Do you have any liking of Andy McNab, ever read an of his books? Being A Brit Soldier boy, you've heard of the great Andy, right?
Now being in the Gulf, where you part of the Brit soldiers cutting ears off the dead, and burned Iraqi's? Yea, I watched bunch of you do that. Now talk about maniacs. Desicrating poor dead Iraqi's by Brits boys hmmmmm? You got me Bushman??
Oh btw: its documented behavior...
>>By Reighnman (Sunday, 2 Jul 2006 04:57)
Let me get this straight...I'm weird for criticizing the whole killing people thing, but you're normal for finding fault only with how they celebrate after?
Really, we'd probably agree on a few things were it not that you blame the U.S. for stuff you limeys are proudly participating in.
As for balls, I dare say I've stared down the barrels of more guns than you. In fact, I'm pretty damn sure of that. I'm a bad guy and have never claimed to be otherwise. I'm not fit to serve because I despise authority and I really despise assholes that think they're tough because they're part of an Army in which real men served. Go build a bridge or something, dude, that will scare the crap out of me!
Also, if yer sister isn't a carpet muncher, there's only one way to prove it. She's just gonna have to sleep with me. If she doesn't have any American in her, I'll fix that. Thanks for playing.
>>By Just Jon (Sunday, 2 Jul 2006 04:57)
OOOH two of you now...cool
Jane Fonda was a traitor openly courted by the enemy, dont know who Cindy Sheehan is but if she is openly feted by Al-quaeda then she's a traitor to your country too...if she is just showing anti-war feelings for this conflict then hey pal thats her right... thats democracy... perhaps its too democratic for you though
Nope I didnt cut ears off, neither did any of my mates that i know of, one of my mates run over a few corpses with a tracked vehicle to see what would happen purely for medical reserch you understand, ...
and we took photos holding mars bars to charred lips.... but they were dead... just pieces of meat and bone..and we buried them afterwards.marked their graves and took dogtags and personal effects for the war dead records.. .but we didnt go as far as taking families including women and kids into houses and shooting them, or shoving things up prisoners butts for the camera and then blame it on orders from above...i mean come on thats the same excuses used at Treblinka and Oswiecim...
Obviously i am not saying that your Entire military structure is hell bent on creating Mai lai incidents, and lets face it the press have hyped things up far too much...but your troops just aint as good as the brits...its a fact wake up and smell the coffee...live with it.... ok so you swamped Grenada and panama with thousands of troops and modern equipment... but hey a one legged blind irishman on acid could have beaten a few donky herders and canal dock operators!! lets face it apart from gulf war 1 what have your military done thats been a victory?.. .Mogadishu... nope...Vietnam... uhuh...Korea??
and yes I have read Macnab, and hes a bloody good author for an infantryman...SAS or not!!
And Jon beleive you me the brits arent proud of participating in this war.....Gulf war 1 aggressor nation invades country...we (allies) go and kick aggressor nation out...Gulf war 2 aggressor nation invades country we (brits) help aggressor nation out....no I am well glad that i was out of it before this one kicked off...and thanks for inviting me to play
>>By BushisaManiac (Sunday, 2 Jul 2006 05:23)
Jon
if you have stared down lots of gun barrels cos you've been robbed at gunpoint that dont mean you have balls...just means you have a shite neighbourhood... if you've stared down lots of gun barrels cos you are (or were) a criminal and those guns have been held by the polizei then yes you have balls..bigger than mine..
I dont think i'm tough because i served in an army with real men.... i just think that im better than you thats all...in the food chain ex-squaddies are always at the top........ my sister wieghs over 20 stone now that she's no longer in the military...you still interested? then your balls are indeed mahoosive!!
>>By BushisaManiac (Sunday, 2 Jul 2006 05:36)
So...Look, I'm going to try to be nice here...If the war is wrong (and I agree it is), why blame it on Americans/Bush when your own country is participating? Your screen-name could have been "bushandblairaremaniacs" and none of this shit would have started. Also, I still don't see what it has to do with Andy McNab, but then again we post about all kinds of crap here so I'll forgive you that.
As for your war stories...If friends of yours drove over bodies to see what would happen, that's exactly why I'm too good to be in any fucking military. I don't get off on circle-jerks over corpses.
>>By Just Jon (Sunday, 2 Jul 2006 05:38)
LOL! Ex-squaddies "top of the food chain?" I'll remember that next time I'm ordering large fries with my value meal from one of them.
>>By Just Jon (Sunday, 2 Jul 2006 05:41)
Jon
You are dead right, this has nowt to do with Macnab and for all the other die-hards on this board, like Lynn and AIB then I aplogise deeply for boring them with yet another rambling post...war isnt wrong, its a necessary evil... highly necessary... this war though is very wrong Bush and his government used scare tactics and false allegations of implicity with Al-quaeda and stories of WMD's. what we saw on news screens here was that a vast number of US citizens supported the US invasion wholeheartedly..hell yeah get Saddam and his terrorist cohorts, they way it was put across old Maddas Hussien might as well have been piloting one of the planes on 9/11..
here in the UK a similar false case was put across by Blair and his government, the decision to go to war in support of the US was put to the government and they said 'Aye' I suppose they saw the ripe commercial contracts that would follow, and the need to be seen as Bushes best mates, you should have heard the whining that was going on here when haliburton had sole control of all contracts and only a minor proportion went to UK companies... that part sort of backfired on the Brit government!!
Look at what US opinion of the french was when they declined to join the Bush desert party, lordy the brit government couldnt have that happen, they had to be seen as most favourite nation for dubya. One thing you never saw here was mass support for the invasion and occupation of Iraq, however just like you we have to wait every 4 years before we can change a government and not enough british troops have died for the people to vote with their feet....evidently the same can be said of the US.
Blair isnt a maniac, he's just a sycophant and Liar, he isnt worthy of having me use his name for my nomme-de-guerre.
Bush is however a very dangerous fella, saddam had nothing to do with 9/11 so what has been gained from the invasion of Iraq? is the world a safer place? like fuck it is!! and although your average raghead no longer has to fear the Ba'ath paty thugs dragginng them away for a bit of electrical fun in the cells of abu-graib, what have they got instead? the freedom to vote and get ripped apart by some maniac with explosives taped to his belt whilst they queue fro their groceries in the market. I bet it wasnt even worth it for the commmercial contracts that have so far been runninng.
anyway Enough of this...i cant change anyones views and nor do i want to...but just like evryone else i will have my say when i feel like it....
On to books about the SAS, Damien Lewis's book on Op Barras, can't remember what its called, whilst he evidently went to great lengths to research the book he visited Sierra leone and the villages where the rescue of the RIR lads took place, however some of his military research is wide off the mark...paras for example are definitely not called 'bayonets;...that is a derogatory term for what in vietnam would have been called a FNG, the paras are called 'toms'. and a CSM is definetely not called sarge by either his OC or the rangers under him...never-the-less not too bad a book
sorry all for having to read this tripe
Ciao!!
>>By BushisaManiac (Sunday, 2 Jul 2006 13:04)
Jon,
its Buddy!!!!!!
HAHAHAHHAHAHA
>>By Reighnman (Sunday, 2 Jul 2006 14:25)
Aha reighnman
just looked up Cindy Sheehan on google and have realised what a real nazi you are.... she lost a son in an illegal war speaks out against it and you think she's a traitor, jeez how warped you really are
Yep I know your kind of democracy, have your way and anyone that opposes you would vanish without a trace...like the argentines which your country supported, like just about every tinpot rightwing dictatorships which your country has supported, bit difficult though with the democratic media you have, oh sorry i suppose they are all liberal commie pinkos cos they might have a voice which doesn't align with yours.
CNN prints and broadcasts views which dont match yours and they obviously are Clintonesque, I suppose the fox network are the bringers of light and truth, funny that but thats exactly how the Deutscher Beobachter, and Pravda viewed themselves too.
So what if the Iraquis dont actually want a US puppet leadership, what if they want to turn back the clock a few centuries like Iran and reintroduce a muslim based religiomaniac nutter government, what if thats what they really want.... why isnt that acceptable to you...cos that would be their democratic right, oh sorry just not the sort of democracy which you and your government like is it!!
>>By BushisaManiac (Sunday, 2 Jul 2006 16:46)
I will only say this to you before MG poofs all this. I am neither a Nazi or anything near that way of thinking. You are a cruel human. I fought for my country and so did my old man.
Cindy Sheehan has said the terrorists that shot down her son are FREEDOM FIGHTERS. Sorry Mr.Bush, she's lost her credibilty with that one. It's also well know Zarqawi was well established in Iraq after he was wounded during Soviet Occupation of Afganistan. He then went and recouped and built a base in Iraq.
I dont know you Bushman, but you dont call people Nazi's Research more ,first about Sheehan .She's been coopted buy the left for the purpose of destroying any credibilty and undermining the war. Losing a son is one thing .Being paid bu George Soros to fly to Canada to give aid and comfort to deserters my friend is quiet another.
Good Day Chap, this will soon be poofed by MG.
though I invite you to out Chatzty room a few pages back is the link or you can visit my blog at www.mypointright.blogspot.com
>>By Reighnman (Sunday, 2 Jul 2006 18:49)
And I fought for my country as did my old man, my two brothers, a brother in law a sister and a nephew, and thats just immediate family....when you said she was paid for by the left...do you mean stand up card carrying communists or just left of bushes views, and even if they were card carrying communists (a bigger bunch of dissillusioned idiots i have yet to meet) so what ! its DEMOCRACY freedom of speech and thought ,you'll be telling me next that Macarthyism was a good thing back in the good ol days!!... and tell me how the IRA were considered freedom fighters by an obscene amount of Americans and yet the nutters in Iraq are terrorists, anyone that uses terror tactics...including several guerilla groups during WW2 can be considered terrorists by some and freedom fighters by others....
and back to miss Sheehan, giving 'aid and comfort' to deserters is a far way from giving funds or arms or shelter to organisations like Al quaeda...funny that .. you should point that out to some Bostonians.
I dont think that she is doing much to destroying credibility and undermining the war effort, your government has done enough of that itself... and as for al Zaquarwi in Iraq thats about as much evidence of Maddas being involved in 9/11 as the capture of two mobile medical laboratories did to convince the world that WMD were there...
Your Government and Bush lost all credibility when no evidence was found of Maddas's so called implicity with 9/11 when no evidence of WMD's were found and when instead of getting the troops out of Iraq as soon as the mission was completed, to oust Maddas, your fellas are still there being slaughtered by the day, beacause they are seen as an occupation force not a liberation force... what the hell has your country got to prove by staying there?? freedom and peace, who says the world wants an American version of freedom and peace?..get out of there and let the mad buggers sort it out for themselves...
and in any event dont give me freedom and peace thats bullshit, where were the US forces when the Rawandan genocides took place, or when Sierra leone was being ripped apart by civil war, where were they when millions of Chileans and Guatemalans, ended up in ditches courtesy of mr 9mm.....
>>By BushisaManiac (Sunday, 2 Jul 2006 19:19)
I promise folks that i wont carry this on to page 273, regardless of whether MG sticks his boot in, in the interests of harmony and karma or not
>>By BushisaManiac (Sunday, 2 Jul 2006 19:22)
We're back at US vs the World again?
It could be a good convo if the swearing was left out.
Apart from making (any) offboard convo onboard - I'm impressed BiaM.
No matter what I think of the US in general, the Americans AND Brits I came to know here and the War - you are making your point in an intelligent way (don't mean this in a patronizing way but .... ) Bravo!
I know I'm gonna hear again that I'm witholding my opinions on the matter. Yes. I have that right.
My guru is way smarter than me and as long as I can't discuss on that level.. I won't.
>>By Lynn (Sunday, 2 Jul 2006 22:50)
Clarify Lynn,
You think Bushisanidiot, is making an intelligent points. And you are bravoing him?
>>By Reighnman (Sunday, 2 Jul 2006 22:59)
Thank you Lynn,
I apologise for making ofboard comments public domain here, ooops!! wont happen again
and I hold no grudge to JJ for making them....he's as mad as a fish that walks to work but you can't help liking the guy.
I have read some earlier discussion pages, takes a while when you have been away...reighnman did you used to be on here as that psycho DTO?? take some karma pills man chill out a little!!
>>By BushisaManiac (Monday, 3 Jul 2006 01:47)
Isn't it natural that we deem those folks that agree with us as the more intelligent of the species?? I read the recent posts of BIAM and, contrary to Lynn, was TOTALLY impressed. Can anyone guess what my feelings are?
And I am not sure what the groundrules are regarding these chats.....in view of enforcement and lack of enforcement of late.
>>By lv2read (Monday, 3 Jul 2006 01:49)
correction: totally UNimpressed.
>>By lv2read (Monday, 3 Jul 2006 02:44)
Thank you for your opinion L2R.
As to the groundrules of these chats. They are usually about the books of the writer. Have you read any McNab books? I can guess THAT though.
>>By Lynn (Monday, 3 Jul 2006 10:45)
Lucky for you Lynn when you are making googlie eyes at Andy this fall at the big talk you girls are attending, you can visit Mr Bush. He's in town and I am sure you two can compare notes. According to the profile he's close to age and height. Have fun kids, maybe you can invite him to the after show Andy party.
Take plenty of pics Lynn!!!
>>By Reighnman (Monday, 3 Jul 2006 14:00)
And Thank you too Reighnman. You've made it fairly impossible for me to go to the talk now.
>>By Lynn (Monday, 3 Jul 2006 15:28)
Cover for RECOIL :
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/
0593055578/026-2277859-4787636?v=glance&n=266239
but uhm....what IS it??
>>By Lynn (Monday, 3 Jul 2006 17:38)
Its an RPG Lynn
>>By BushisaManiac (Monday, 3 Jul 2006 19:09)
aah thanx, like this:
http://www.eforcemod.net/modfiles/models/RPG-7_Final.jpg
>>By Lynn (Monday, 3 Jul 2006 20:52)
I hate how all this has worked out...I'm anti-war, and I'm anti any soldier who bases his self-worth on war. I don't try to play the "I support the troops" game, I've been totally honest. I just was offended that bushisamaniac seems to think Yanks are the only imperialists out there. Probably, he and I agree on most things, so I wish I hadn't lost my temper and tried to be as insulting as possible.
Really what I find most weird is people who realize the war is wrong yet think it's a praise-worthy thing for people to go fight in it. BIAM really disappointed me with the whole "running over dead bodies" thing. I mention violence to show I've seen it, done it, but I sure as hell am not proud of it. I'm really sorry the dude knew people like that and hope he doesn't really find it acceptable.
Right then, later.
>>By Just Jon (Monday, 3 Jul 2006 21:01)
Well jon
I didnt get no kicks from the incident but to be truthfull to me a corpse is no longer a human being.
I didnt go out of my way to damage them any further, and he just made it difficult to bury the body afterwards but seeing as we scooped them all up with a bucket loader, that didn't do em much good anyway.
It wasnt entirely acceptable practice i know, but as i said we all viewed them as just lumps of meat
>>By BushisaManiac (Monday, 3 Jul 2006 22:01)
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