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>>By wishywashy (Monday, 4 Apr 2005 04:42)
It's hard but I CAN DO IT !!!
>>By Lynn (Monday, 4 Apr 2005 12:39)
Aha Jon, Haha - Ididnt think you were an ass, I just thought - uh-oh! what have I done? then thought...no hang on a minute...
Aye ok I understand and agree to a large extent by someof the readership of these books, yes - because that is what books are for, to transcend thepage and ignite in people's imaginations and let them fantasise and dream somewhat.
But there are the extreme people who take that further.
I must admit, although I have read a few Andy books and enjoyed them and it sparked off a mad delusion, I got bored of the whole SAS thing to read about but is nice to joke and dream about for idle fun - but I can sit and talk about this kind of thing as above and not really think I'll ever come across it.
IBut as I just say, debating these things is not wrong, it's never going tohappen, it's just talk and common sense and this is the place to talk it - I dont believe it, many of us dont, it's just a conversation piece - for me its more about discussing people behaviour rather than fight techniques.
so..... when you say NRA, it does not apply to me so I'll let you off, but dont flame me. That's not fair for just talking stuff that is what Andy talks about all the time. That did puzzle me.
hee. as you were .
>>By Pomplemous (Monday, 4 Apr 2005 12:46)
Dear Wishywashy,
Welcome to the great debate of Andy McNabers!! Although your first post has a note of sarcasm, I can assure you that one who spends a divorceable amount of dollars on books, spending the money on AM's books are will with the effort. Now I realize it is easy to rip ANY book apart, I dare say these are good rippen fun. If the fiction bores you B20 and IA are well worth anyones reading time.
Have a good one, and enjoy.
PS: No divorce yet, thank goodness
>>By Broker (Tuesday, 5 Apr 2005 01:10)
Hmmm.... more to talk about?
"A new special forces regiment is to be operational from Wednesday [tomorrow]. ... The Special Reconnaissance Regiment, or SRR, will provide specialist support for overseas operations, particularly those against international terrorism. ... Recruits have been drawn from all three services, with some of the regiment's posts open to women. ... The new regiment will have its headquarters in Hereford, where the SAS is already based. ... "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4412907.stm
>>By am-i-binned (Tuesday, 5 Apr 2005 18:10)
Where does it say that you have to be from the UK? Cos if not, I can multi task !! *ewg* Type and tea? No problem !
Hereford ? Thought they left there due to the tourism ?
NW
>>By Ninjawoman (Tuesday, 5 Apr 2005 21:45)
Maybe they stayed for the bananas and peanuts?
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 5 Apr 2005 21:58)
so according to sky news britain got its first new SF regiment today, its called the SRR,(specail reconisance regiment) and it will be based in hereford.
wonder what type of beret and cap badge will they get..
>>By f-trooper bri (Wednesday, 6 Apr 2005 15:17)
http://www.news. mod.uk/news_headline_story.asp?newsItem_id=3210
please delete the space before .mod
>>By fony (Wednesday, 6 Apr 2005 18:25)
sorry what i mean't was you can see the capbadge at this url.
>>By fony (Wednesday, 6 Apr 2005 20:44)
Suppose the Italians read Gnooks too?
"<--Nella foto "lewis collins" dal film "who dares wins". Al momento non esistono foto in circolazione col vero volto di Andy McNab. "
http://www.zam.it/1.php?id_autore=51
hehehe
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 6 Apr 2005 22:42)
hi to all who remember me, its been a while, been busy repairing a car for my sisters birthday, still not found a copy of deep black on paper back :o\ so have gone back to reading firewall,any way just thought i'd putting in an appearance
>>By deniable-kay (Thursday, 7 Apr 2005 22:08)
Hi D-Kay - paperback should be out July 5 !
See:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/
ASIN/0552150193/qid=1112905533/sr=1-5/
ref=sr_1_11_5/202-2119569-7747829
>>By Lynn (Thursday, 7 Apr 2005 22:26)
Hi, Deniable...
Another option (altho it'll be a hardback) is eBay -- a quick look just now came up with 7 copies on offer, ranging from 3 for £.99 to 1 for £4.99. :o)
>>By am-i-binned (Friday, 8 Apr 2005 14:39)
Never mind ebay, mine is for sale on Amazon, let me know if you want it, one careful owner from new, never abused, raced, or rallied.
>>By camban (Friday, 8 Apr 2005 15:14)
Damn, Cam...
Sellin' off AM??? -- we be talkin' treason! ;oP
>>By am-i-binned (Friday, 8 Apr 2005 16:31)
i will wait for july, to complete my paper back collection
>>By deniable-kay (Friday, 8 Apr 2005 22:40)
Now now AIB, before starting to cook up the tar and feathers, I am sure Cam has a very good reason for selling them off. Like .. erm .. like ... no more space in the library part of his house ? *pfew , close one* I for one am sure that he will still dazzle us with some great book reviews and indepth remarks. *cough*
Don't burn your fingers when you chuck out the tar AIB ;-)
>>By Ninjawoman (Sunday, 10 Apr 2005 22:42)
Here's my review of "Boy Soldier" based on what I've read so far:
Front cover--nice, very nice
Spine--seemed sturdy enough
Back cover--the reviews were all positive
So, there you have it. Better than the Bible? Well, that's not for me to judge, but, I will say I don't remember reading any great reviews on the back cover of the Holy Writ.
>>By Just Jon (Monday, 11 Apr 2005 10:24)
Dammit Sarge, I gotta find some way of reducing my book collection! It's real uncomfortable living in a tent in the back garden. So I decided to offload all the novels and keep the true stuff. Trouble is, when I put some on Amazon, I found that there are hundreds of copies for sale at one penny each! Must be galling for McNab to be sold so cheap, but he's had his profit I guess.
And Jon, Boy Soldier, reading between the lines I guess you are either keeping schtum, or didn't like it much? As for the Bible having no reviews, you should know that it is not literal but intended for the reader to make whatever they like of it, regardless of actuality.
>>By camban (Monday, 11 Apr 2005 11:38)
Er...Actually, I was being quite literal. I've read only the outside of the book. They'll let me have the rest of "Boy Soldier" once I'm out of solitary.
>>By Just Jon (Monday, 11 Apr 2005 11:44)
Jon, why leave solitary? At least in solitary you don't have to worry if you drop the soap
>>By Paul R (Monday, 11 Apr 2005 16:08)
found this on amazon looks like one for the ladies
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos /ASIN/9999089844/qid=1113248609/sr=1-27/ref=sr_1_2_27/026-3692037-3470008
minus the space
>>By Psicosis (Monday, 11 Apr 2005 21:47)
I just read some thought-provoking stuff on another forum, and I'd love to hear anyone's take on the following:
DLB was apparently hell-bent on getting SAS involved in GW1--it seems to me, in fact, that he decided SAS should be there BEFORE finding a real need for them. Considering the negligible effect SAS ops had on the outcome of GW1, was it worth peoples' lives just to get the SAS some "action?"
Furthermore, I wonder how often this happens...How many men have we lost on ops that could have been successfully completed by a different force resulting in far less casualties? How many have lost their lives because a career officer wanted to attatch more importance (and thus, more money) to his branch or unit?
I'm really just asking, I've no idea--but the mere thought is creepy indeed.
>>By Just Jon (Thursday, 14 Apr 2005 07:38)
Oddly enough just finished DLB's book 'Storm Command', review to be posted today. You have to remember that he was involved with the SAS for much of his career, including a long stint as the CO, it's all described in detail in his bio 'Looking for Trouble' which is a good read. As for GW1, he did want special forces in theatre as soon as possible and had to argue their case with Scharzkopf who didn't trust them for some reason (doom on SEALs and Delta Force?) but DLB prevailed and they were sent in at the start of the air campaign to carry out targetting, bomb damage assessment, saboutage, and to generally harass the enemy (Peter Radcliffe describes it well in his book, as do others involved) in fact, the SBS carried out one of the first hostile actions in a daring raid to sever microwave communication cables buried in the desert, several SBS writers describe this action. Then came the Scud problem, the only way that Isreal could be be persuaded to stay out of the war was the assurance that the SAS would be redirected to hunt for the missiles, that was B20's mission of course; the Israelis had such respect for the SAS that they called off an air strike that was already on its way. So successful was the operation that the incidence of Scud launches quickly disappeared to nothing.
One odd thing, in his book, DLB takes almost a whole chapter to describe Chris Ryan's escape in some detail, yet barely mentions the rest of the patrol, McNab's experiences and even his name do not appear at all; handbags at dawn I wonder?
Finally Jon, DLB was already a General and a 'Sir' so career considerations are unlikely, I believe that he simply had an overwhelming affection for his old Regiment and knew that they would be desperate to become involved in some real action, as was the case, we now know.
>>By camban (Thursday, 14 Apr 2005 11:40)
Thanks for the info, Cam. Much appreciated.
>>By Just Jon (Friday, 15 Apr 2005 06:53)
DLB was apparently hell-bent on getting SAS involved in GW1--it seems to me, in fact, that he decided SAS should be there BEFORE finding a real need for them.
Always a need for elite soldiers in a war, they are adaptable so neccesary.
just like the foot soldier we will always need them no matter the technology.
>>By fony (Saturday, 16 Apr 2005 00:44)
The Sunday Times
April 17, 2005
Who steals wins: birth of the SAS
The original members of the elite unit were misfits and mavericks, writes Stuart Wavell
little snippet: "Appropriating the name “Special Air Service” was Stirling’s private joke. It was already the title of a bogus deception unit of tiny model parachutists with 3ft parachutes. Choosing a motto was more difficult. “We Descend To Defend” was briefly contemplated before Stirling decided on “Who Dares Wins”.
Full article:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article
/0,,2092-1572090,00.html
>>By Lynn (Sunday, 17 Apr 2005 13:53)
Britain to double commitment to the war on terror with 'SAS Lite'
By Sean Rayment, Defence Correspondent
(Filed: 17/04/2005)
(..)
The creation of the unit, to be called the Joint Special Forces Support Group, will mean that Britain's special forces will grow to more than 2,000, their largest number since the Second World War, most of whom will be committed to fighting terrorism within the United Kingdom and abroad.
(..)
The Telegraph has learnt that defence chiefs want the SAS and its Royal Marine equivalent, the Special Boat Service, to be freed to return to their original role of staging special operations.
Full article on:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
xml=/news/2005/04/17/nsas17.xml&sSheet=
/news/2005/04/17/ixhome.html
>>By Lynn (Sunday, 17 Apr 2005 13:57)
Actually, according to Barry Davies, it was Jock Lewes who came up with 'Who Dares Wins' and the misfits and mavericks were exactly what David Stirling was looking for so this should not be seen as a derogatory statement.
>>By camban (Monday, 18 Apr 2005 11:57)
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