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Just because this type of information sometimes gets revealed by journo scumbags doesn't mean it's big or clever to further publicise the information or to promote links to it.
If you really do care, today's word is
ssshhhhhhhh!
>>By bookyhelen (Tuesday, 29 Mar 2005 19:12)
Are you talking to me Booky? If you mean the picture, we know it's NOT McNab, so hopefully the poor guy who is on that picture don't mind.
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 29 Mar 2005 20:20)
Hey, if like me, you are not fluent in italian then go to this website and enter the link of the original website.....
http://www.freetranslation.com/web.asp
originalwebsite-----
http://www.zam.it/1.php?id_autore=51
NOTE:::::-----> this is a very loose translation, therefore you may not understand some of it, and some will make you laugh
>>By Shoot-To-Kill (Tuesday, 29 Mar 2005 22:17)
No need for further translations lads: it's itself a transalation from an English article.
;)
Trust me, I've read it before already, one of the many articles I've read -or seen.
"[...]C'è un personaggio di nome Dinger che giaceva straiato al suolo dopo essere stato cattturato, l' attore rimaneva là durante la preparazione dell'illuminazione, Fu in quel momento che cominciai a piangere.[...]"
There's a character called DInger who was lying on the floor after eing captured, the actor just stayed there while the lightings where prepared. It was in that moment I've started to cry.
Oh, forgotten:
hi chicks! *grin*
>>By Deusrexmachina (Tuesday, 29 Mar 2005 22:25)
Jeepers price... if THAT'S Mr Andy McNab... oh my, he sure looks TOO normal from my imageries I've built all this time!!
Sure thing is, the ears look the same, so... dunno .*shrugs*
>>By Deusrexmachina (Tuesday, 29 Mar 2005 22:32)
right! the guy in the photo is lewis collins of the tv series the professionals, for those that remember it or the first repeats. it's from a film calles "who dares wins" based on the iranian embassy siege, can be purchased from amazon and is quite a good film.
>>By fony (Tuesday, 29 Mar 2005 22:34)
Yes, the article is not on the Net anymore (at least I can't find it), it's an interview with Mark Cambell "Behind Enemy Lines"
The interview is on Yahoo AMFTroop (in English!) though.
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 29 Mar 2005 22:35)
god you guys really need to chill, you never get to find out anything remotely close to the truth so don't worry about it. Keep reading the books and forget about reality, you're way out of your depth. As if anyone gives a shit whats said on this board anyway. it's a book club.
>>By fony (Tuesday, 29 Mar 2005 22:37)
Yes Fony, that was my point - it's NOT McNab
but I did think it was kind of funny that a site puts a picture like that with an interview with McNab - and I'm wondering if they are aware of that... hence my question to someone with better Italian language skills.
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 29 Mar 2005 22:46)
I thin it was more the head dress than anything
>>By fony (Tuesday, 29 Mar 2005 23:26)
Quoting Paul R
''
Personally, if you decide you need to fight-fight all out. If you really feel as though you need to step up to physical force, you better use everything you've got, SF trained or not.''
that's basic though isnt it? ie you dont pull a weapon unless you are going to use it and you dont pull a punch unless you are going to use it - or else what are you pulling a punch for? show? intimidation? if you think that is going to work you are probably underestimating your opponent.
And if you cant pull and punch and use it, then you probably shouldnt have got yourself in that mess in the first place.
I know all about these things, Paul knows! hahaha
*just singing* wakey up sleepy Pompy, oh what can it be, to a daydream believer' hahahaha
>>By Pomplemous (Thursday, 31 Mar 2005 17:43)
not basic really you don't pull a weapon unless you're going to use it, and i think what he means is go all out and get as near to killing them as you can or kill them it's not a mental decision it's pure aggression.
>>By fony (Friday, 1 Apr 2005 05:18)
hmmmm. not sure on that. probably, but doesnt quite sit with me though.
and as for the weapon bit, no I mean, it makes sense, maybe just pulling out a weapon is enough to scare someone into backing down, then that's great, but if you are just pulling out the weapon in the hope or assumption that the other person will automatically back down, I'd see that as an error because you are there with your threatening gun and the other mannie has whipped his gun out in response to yours and so what now? maybe we hold our hands up and say woah! wait, only joking, can we go back to the bit when we had no guns out? alright?...and...action..
So no, if you are going to carry a weapon and you whip it out then if it comes down to it, which heaven forbid, it wont, but it does and so when it comes to it, if you have that weapon in your hand, you have to be prepared to use it if push came to shove. otherwise if you have no intention of using it then why carry it? protection?
so perhaps then if you are put into a position where you have to protect yourself and you whip out your wee gun (for example) that you are hoping that the threat will back down, fine then it worked, but if it doesnt, would you shoot? if you do then you have been prepared to use your weapon, if you do not then why do you have it? there are other things you can threaten with and not use, why a gun?
so...... *drops 2 pence in box and sods off*
>>By Pomplemous (Friday, 1 Apr 2005 13:12)
Having had my ass kicked more times than cute lil' ol' me deserves, I can say categorically that fony's right, it's all-out aggression that generally wins the day. No training in the world will help if you hesitate or hold back while your opponent tries with all his being to destroy you. Now, obviously, if some bloke just plain can't fight or is seriously outweighed, etc, that might not hold true, but I think it's a safe enough generality.
As for weapons, I curse whoever long-ago said, "Don't pull a gun unless you intend to use it." The more reasonable (certainly less sociopathic) statement is, "Don't pull a gun unless you're WILLING to use it." I've had cops pull guns on me, and luckily they didn't abide by the "intend to use it" shit or I'd be way less alive right now.
Really, I think most civvies don't need to worry about that stuff anyway. If you party a lot and hang out in rough scenes, you get taught all you need to know regardless. If you lead a boring little home life, well, lock your doors and stay away from the "bad guys."
>>By Just Jon (Saturday, 2 Apr 2005 00:51)
Forgot to add, also had muggers pull guns on me and yet not use them...You NRA freaks are scary with your "don't pull gun unless you intend to kill" shit. I'd rather give up my wallet than my life. Christ, quit fantasizing about killing people.
>>By Just Jon (Saturday, 2 Apr 2005 07:54)
hahaha ok. who's talking about killing?
ok ok WILLING (yes that's the right word) to use it, not INTEND - but same principal - doesnt change anything in terms of weighing up your options and deciding your actions according to threat - you dont make a threat unless you are prepared to back it up - that's basic in anything, life, bringing up kids, fighting if you should ever have to, God forbid, but there are people here that do have to do that and for them its not just chatter on a forum. its just talking strategies you could say.
''No training in the world will help if you hesitate or hold back while your opponent tries with all his being to destroy you''
yeah fair one, I didnt read that from fony's post, but makes sense.
''You NRA freaks are scary with your "don't pull gun unless you intend to kill" shit.''
what's NRA?
but no one has said that - that's a mass warpiture, but I dont fancy rocking the boat further, but nothing here has not been inspired by the books we have read and others - does old andy baby not talk about this all the time? threats, fights, strategies? has he gone soft? am i in the wrong forum?
so if its ok to dream on about having andy's love child as I think I saw earlier, then why is it not ok to talk about things that he talks about in his own books?
>>By Pomplemous (Saturday, 2 Apr 2005 09:44)
Ohmigosh, now don't this just do us Yanks up proud for a change? ;o)
"The Special Air Service is to move its parachute training to the United States because it believes that the Royal Air Force no longer has the skills to train its soldiers in Britain. .... "
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/
news/2005/04/01/npara01.xml&sSheet=/news/
2005/04/01/ixhome.html
But, then again, AM talked about similar back in Immediate Action:
"... The rest of us went to Brize Norton, into the RAF's hands and out of the Regiment system. It was like a holiday -- but one of those holidays that went on too long. For a month we were taught a lot of drills that we later found out were crap, but they had to teach hundreds of people a year, so everybody was pushed in together and around when the handle. Brize Norton was a sausage factory. ..."
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 2 Apr 2005 17:03)
Yep credit where it's due. Enjoy this yank jump video-
http://www.infantry.army.mil/ videos/video05/index.htm
>>By Trekker (Saturday, 2 Apr 2005 20:54)
hopefully it works now
http://www.infantry.army.mil/ videos/video05/index.htm
>>By Trekker (Saturday, 2 Apr 2005 23:26)
Ooops, help, Trekker.... don't know if it's me or if is it the link? :o(
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 2 Apr 2005 23:29)
Woohoo!!! Received a very exciting heads-up today from Bikergirl with okay for posting!
Aggressor
by Andy McNab
Tentative release date: Nov 5, 2005
Synopsis
Ex-deniable operator Nick Stone seems to be living his dream, not a care in the world as he steers his camper van round the surfing and parachuting centres of Australia, a board on the roof, freefall rig behind him, and a beautiful young backpacker at his side. But when he witnesses on TV the massacre of children in a terrorist siege the other side of the world, long-suppressed memories are triggered and Nick finds himself catapulted once more into working for the American secret services - only this time, of his own free will. As events unfold in the bleak, medieval villages of Azerbajhan and teeming streets of modern Istanbul, it isn't long before Nick discovers the true objective of the mission on which he has embarked. His talents are being misused by those who stalk the corridors of power...and he is determined to make a stand. Hurtled at breakneck pace through a deadly landscape of greed, violence and ever-shifting allegiances, the reader will be left in no doubt that McNab is the master of the genre - and AGGRESSOR is McNab at his searing, blockbusting best.
Fanx muchly, Bg! :o)
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 2 Apr 2005 23:39)
No AIB it's definately me..blonde you see. It won't let me post the url complete! Try again but removing the space between the following part of the address - .mil/ videos/
http://www.infantry.army.mil/ videos/video05/index.htm
It's worth the wait..enjoy it (made me cry!)
>>By Trekker (Sunday, 3 Apr 2005 00:35)
D'oh! My fault, Trekker -- just too much haste to cut-n-paste.
What a neat clip! Thanks. Cool surprise at the end seeing that another group was exiting simultaneously from the other side. Only one thing tho -- you got any advice on how to get that song out of my head? :oP
>>By am-i-binned (Sunday, 3 Apr 2005 08:55)
I've always said that you'd never get me jumping out of a perfectly good plane.Terrifying. But that clip makes it look achievable.
Advice on how to get the song out of your head? No problem.
Walk into a very rough looking bar and sing "I know a song that will get on your nerves" as loud as possible and not stopping singing until you are beaten around the head with a baseball bat.
This should effectively remove the song from your head.
Hope this helps ; )
I have no speakers on my PC so didn't hear it.
How does it go ?...........
>>By Trekker (Sunday, 3 Apr 2005 12:29)
Hahaha! Oh great, fanx a lot now, Trekker, you just sparked it up again by asking. But, since misery loves company....
Jump / Van Halen
I get up, and nothing gets me down.
You got it tough. I've seen the toughest around.
And I know, baby, just how you feel.
You've got to roll with the punches to get to what's real
Might as well jump. Jump !
Might as well jump.
Go ahead, jump. Jump !
Go ahead, jump.
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Watching them all piling out of the aircraft almost on top of each other, and seeing some serious somersaults and gyrations before their chutes opened, also reminded me of IA:
"... Within the squadrons there were horrendous stories of people going into spins, especially with heavy kits. If the kit wasn't packed or balanced right, then as they jumped, and the wind hit them, it did its own thing. You'd have to adjust your position to fly correctly with it. ... One fellow in D squadron got into a spin, and the only way he could get out of it was to try to track to get away. He did, but all the capillaries in his eyes exploded. He looked like Christopher Lee for months afterward. ... "
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And since all things relate back to AM, in an online chat one time, AM was asked: "Do you ever go parachuting since you left the Regiment?" AM replied: "Yes, love it... go to Zephyr Hills in the States and last year got arrested base jumping from a communications mast. " :oD
>>By am-i-binned (Sunday, 3 Apr 2005 16:55)
So Aggressor it is? RC614 novel 4 being worktitle maybe. It was a bit of an odd one.
And ehm.... Traitor
Andy Mcnab, Robert Rigby
ISBN 0-399-24464-6 Hardback - 2005
Second childrens book????
I'm losing count here ;-)
>>By Lynn (Sunday, 3 Apr 2005 23:13)
Apparently childrens book yes:
Traitor by andy mcnab, robert rigby
Availability: This title will be released on October 6, 2005
Reading level: Ages 9-12
>>By Lynn (Sunday, 3 Apr 2005 23:23)
Hi, Pomplemous, wasn't trying, but still managed as always, to be an ass. The NRA is a group of people who, as far as I can tell, sit around wishing their, uh, guns were bigger. I get a bit worked up about surburbanites who never have to face danger yet read "Guns and Ammo" like their lives depend on it.
I just can't understand why McNab's books have somehow transcended fiction and become some sort of guides to living for people who I would assume don't need to worry about getting involved in a gunfight in the first place.
An obsession with violence, when you're never involved in violence, just means you're afraid. Afraid, or sadistic. Your chances of having to defend yourself from violence are slim to none, if, as I said above, you don't hang in those circles. You're more likely to die in a car wreck by far and yet, I'll bet there's idiots here who don't wear seat belts yet want to know how to kill a man with some "secret move."
As a peace offering to those of that ilk, I give you the "secret move..." Pull trigger. Repeat.
Rinse as needed.
>>By Just Jon (Monday, 4 Apr 2005 00:38)
Hey Lynn the new childrens book, ages 9-12? Thank are luckies, something we can finally read and understand!!! Thats you and me, the rest don't seem to have are probs.
>>By Broker (Monday, 4 Apr 2005 03:38)
I sometimes wonder whether Andy McNabs books are worth reading, I have glanced through a few in the bookshop and put my wallet back in my trousers.Now that I've read a few reviews I just might be tempted to part with a bit of loose change if I get to see one of his books in a jumble sale..I go out camping quite a lot in summer, and paper is always handy for lighting fires, cleaning utensils. etc. I might get into the spirit of the narative and enjoy the romp. It's just that i have this nagging feeling that it is going to be " Harry Potter and the basket of grenades" sorry J.K.Rowling. well folks Harry Potter is growing up fast.. he might just enlist in a good Regiment ...... Actually when I read real testemony of first hand veterans in conflicts like the Falklands Campaign the atmosphere is very grave, soldiers act with courtesy and restraint . and the tale told is no less gripping. cool professional soldiering seems to me not what Andy McNab is about. but look at the sales of his books he sure must know what he is doing and has tapped a lucrative vein of pure gold, which he must deposit laughing all the way to the Bank
>>By wishywashy (Monday, 4 Apr 2005 04:26)
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