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Bit of an oldie this one but I don't recall having seen it before. Though it looks like the relaxwithabook interviews. Maybe this is a little part of it.
http://www.meettheauthor.com/bookbites/269.html
>>By Lynn (Friday, 11 Feb 2005 00:03)
Just a small tea-break here,
Docjay : I've got the patience of a saint !
I could hardly describe myself as a saint, made too many mistakes in my life. Trod on too many toes as they say.
........ere, Docjay, don't you need to be dead to be a saint !
Regards,
Reg
>>By Reginald (Friday, 11 Feb 2005 13:34)
Don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but "Boy Soldier" is written in third person. I wonder what led to that decision. Anyone care to speculate?
Also, thanks for the above link, Lynn.
>>By Just Jon (Friday, 11 Feb 2005 19:51)
JJ- No clue about the third person choice..... the jokester in me wants to say because it was co-authored but the realist in me says it was probably because if he wrote it in first person it would be too much like the Nick Stone voice.
Speaking of Nick Stone....... woke up this morning dreaming of the upcoming Liddell vs Couture UFC fight on pay per view and had this random thought:
What's your most memorable Nick Stone "fight" scene?
For me, it's gotta be the torn Coke can fight in Firewall.
Anybody have their own favorites?
>>By Majorette (Friday, 11 Feb 2005 21:13)
My Fave Nick Stone fight scene: The fight with the mick at the IRA offices in Remote Control.
>>By Just Jon (Friday, 11 Feb 2005 22:17)
And for innovative use of a handtool in conjunction with strategic product placement...
... the award goes to:
Nick's Leatherman, for its starring role in Last Light.
Accepting on behalf of Mr. Stone..... Unibrow... [o|
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 12 Feb 2005 18:10)
And another award also goes to Firewall...
...for creative use of porcelain bathroom fixtures...
... on Land, in the hangar, as used by the NSA for securing Nick's handcuffs
... and on Water, in the ferry's loo, as used by Nick to rearrange an attacker's dental work....
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 12 Feb 2005 18:38)
dear maj
liddell will knock out randy as they say the iceman cometh, but after seeing tito give a can of whoop ass on victor belfort, and then throwing it sown to ken shamrock now thats the one i want to see...
but they still wont beat a gracie.....
>>By f-trooper bri (Sunday, 13 Feb 2005 03:15)
there again ufc hahahaha ultimate fighting hahaha, one swift rugby kick in the pills and you can have all the titles up the wing wang, but as an ex rugby player when you take a shot in the old mammy and daddy department even superman wouldnt get up....it simply isnt cricket hahaha old boy..
>>By f-trooper bri (Sunday, 13 Feb 2005 03:17)
Well folks for me it's got to be....
Nick chewing on, hmmmmm, that nose in Remote Control.. that scence shivered my timbers!!
Hey Majorette, is UFC a better scripted version of the WWE, it seems to me(only seeing the previews for PPV) that quite simply they would kill each other?
>>By Broker (Sunday, 13 Feb 2005 15:35)
f-trooper bri: My money's on Liddell, too (he's got revenge to motivate him), but I'm hoping Randy Couture makes a liar out of me. I doubt it'll be a KO as Liddell predicts; I think it'll go to decision.
Broker: LOL! Watch one of the fights, man.
oh yeah, this is an Andy McNab board...........*ahem* Didn't Andy McNab box while in the Army? Wonder who he favors in this match?
>>By Majorette (Sunday, 13 Feb 2005 19:07)
<<The fight with the mick at the IRA offices in Remote Control.>>
ah yes..... the fight scene with the highest frequency of the word "f*ck" of any fight scene I have ever had the pleasure of reading. Broker, this is the one you were talking about, no? When Nick Stone goes chompy chompy on the guy's face?
ok, I'll add that one to my favorites list. Still, I think Firewall tops them with the sheer number of confrontations. I also like the one that led Stone to his Lion King watch purchase.
And yes, AIB, the use of bathrooms has not gone un-noticed by me. Makes me wonder if that's based on real world experience, or if that's just a side effect of thinking about what to write next while sitting on the john??
>>By Majorette (Sunday, 13 Feb 2005 19:41)
Ah yes, Maj. My ability to actually remember (comprehension) lacks horribly. It all goes back to those darn test they gave you in grade school. They probably got a pill for today.( I could not sit still)
But I digress, I shivered at that scene, wondering what it must feel like having someone chew on your face. It hurts thinking about it. Writing at its very best.
I would imagine the use of bathrooms is very much key to what ops guys do. Only assuming, as they are lovely places to hang out in. Or maybe I am wrong and he as bathrooms to tie his stories together more smoothly.
>>By Broker (Sunday, 13 Feb 2005 23:22)
all this talk about fights in andy's book, i mean come on when are we just going to get a plain old fight with old nick giving someone a swift kick in the cornish pasties and leaving... all this long winded stuff enough already
>>By f-trooper bri (Monday, 14 Feb 2005 01:50)
Good grief, Bri...
Are you going after a life-time achievement award for Unrelenting Use of Euphemisms or sumfink?!? ;o)
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 14 Feb 2005 14:51)
I`d agree with the remote control fav fight scene. Nice to see a bit of realism involved IE feeling absolutley f$*ked after a fight none of that 'hiya' judo chop crap you read elswhere.
F-trooper afraid to say i agree totally, love couture having met him a few years back but feel liddel will have too much to prove...hope I`m wrong.
Couldn`t beat a gracie? Nonsense! They helped make the sport what it is but the way the rest of the world have caught up mesns they are far from the unassailable gorce they once were.
Girls sport any way, all that rolling about on the floor. Get up and bash your shins together and smile while you`re doing it. Now thats a fight (jus kidding)
>>By docjay (Monday, 14 Feb 2005 14:58)
mesns=means!
>>By docjay (Monday, 14 Feb 2005 14:59)
dear docjay,
The match i would like to see would be rickson gracie vs courture or even liddell i' mean rickson is probably the best all round fighter in the world so that would be a good match up.
As for AIB question to me on my use of the english langauge, yes i'm going for the record cushty or what lol.
Ok everyone have a great valentines day hope you all get cards and to all those men and women working in places far away, keeping us safe, all our well wishes are with you today, your all heros.
god bless
>>By f-trooper bri (Monday, 14 Feb 2005 16:11)
<<Girls sport any way>>
*wince* You Muay Thai guys are allllllll the same.... ;-)
F-trooper bri:
Well, well, well.... looks who suddenly grew a pair! All this trash-talkin' from you, the same guy who bowed out of my little home-grown "Event" a few pages back. I'll cut ya some slack on account of it's Valentine's Day.
As for the Nick Stone fights being more realistic, hellz yeah, that's why most of the people on this board like the books. Because they don't sugar coat stuff and they don't read like a Hollywood movie. The main character gets the sh*t beaten out of him sometimes and he doesn't always come out of it smelling like roses.
>>By Majorette (Monday, 14 Feb 2005 17:26)
Haha yeah i know and how many thais do you see entering UFC? Not so many (but that`s a whole other topic!)
So the realism thing...its funny we watch movies, read books to escape reality for an hour or so and then rave that the latest book/movie/whatever we read/saw had someone like Mcnab as the technical advisor and was "like the most realistic thing i ever saw man!!"
I`ve noticed since movies like Heat that we as a generation do seem to want that tecnical authenticity in our films (Saving Private Ryan, Black Hawk down being notable examples). Watch a film like The Devils Own and you`ll see the difference (i particularly enjoyed the Brits running and firing from the hip in an op in NI!)
Tom Cruise in Collateral...did Michael Mann use Mcnab again? He looked slick and well trained, particualarly his re-loads (sorry for being a bit of a spotter!)
>>By docjay (Monday, 14 Feb 2005 17:37)
I should clarify the Muay Thai comment above...
I had a friend in college who studied Thai boxing. It was his opinion that if you could not snap a baseball bat in half across your shins, you were a wimp. :-o
Personally, I'd like to see more Thai's in UFC... it would certainly make for a more audience-pleasing event, I think. (I've heard crowds boo and hiss at fights that have too much groundwork.... it's just not as exciting for the spectator).
ah well..... we can dream.
Well, I can, anyway.............
>>By Majorette (Monday, 14 Feb 2005 17:44)
As much as i like watching courture and Liddell i still think you can't beat a Genki Sudo bout for entertainment.
>>By Psicosis (Monday, 14 Feb 2005 18:32)
The technical advisor for "Collateral" was Mick Gould, who worked with AM on "Heat" (where both are listed as technical weapons advisors). Mick was also the technical advisor for Ronin.
From a post on pg 200, re: Mick's work on "Collateral":
"... Cruise trained extensively with Michael "Mick" Gould, a former member of the British Special Air Service and a respected authority in the areas of martial arts and weapons training. In recent years, Gould has turned his expertise into a career as a consultant and instructor for clients raining from military Special Forces and law enforcement to feature films. He had first been recruited to work in motion pictures by Michael Mann on the movie 'Heat,' and Mann called on him again to give Cruise, on of the industry's most affable stars, the makings of a consummate killer. ... "
Source: http://www.collateral-themovie.com/home.php
From a post on pg 181, re: AM as technical advisor for "Heat":
"What's spectacular about this shootout is the way it's directed and coreographed. The robbers back each other while advancing and lay suppressing fire to each direction until making a breach to the police barricades. Clips are changed accordingly and in timely manner, directions are confirmed and burst are controlled. Why is this? Because if you check the credits, you'll see a very interesting name next to technical weapons training. Andy McNab. ... McNab was intensively participating in Heat to make sure that the robbers utilized all the possible tactics used in a city warfare type of combat. I read that McNab and his fellows even cheered loudly when Kilmer _finally_ managed to change the clip of his M-16 rifle in a timely manner (which is actually pretty hard without lots of training)."
Source: http://mannfan.freeservers.com/heat.htm
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 14 Feb 2005 18:46)
Cheers A-I-B i`m the sort of sad muppet that always listens to the directors commentary on DVDs, LOVED heat and when i got it on DVD there were no xtras!
Maj, yeah i know last year I fought on a bill where there were both thai and NHB fights, the die hard martial artists loved the NHB fights (very technical lots of ground work) whereas the punters loved the thai fights, many of which were very scrappy novice affairs, cause there wher KO`s andblood and snot flying out of the ring (i lost a large chunk out of my lip in the 2nd and by the end of the fight looked like someone had taken a red paint roller to my chest!!Slept well THAT night I can tell you.) But for some reason NHB has really taken off in the US largley due to clever marketing by SEG back in the day. Phenomenal athletes now though.
Hopefully when my army sponsorship kicks in I`ll be able to compete again bur right now i`m working as a doormen in the evenings to fund school so I`m permanently shattered. God I miss it...
>>By docjay (Monday, 14 Feb 2005 19:54)
"we as a generation do seem to want that tecnical authenticity in our films"
Think we just can appreciate NOT being treated like fools, if we like action in a movie we'd like to be able to identify with it. OR it has to be absolutely 'ridiculous' - like a flying Superman. Sorry about the comparison: some directors seem to think they can get away with anything - as if we'd want to see a porn movie where everyone is wearing underwear... If we want fairytales we'll watch Bambi.
>>By Lynn (Monday, 14 Feb 2005 20:33)
Psicosis: <<Genki Sudo>>
LOL! yes, he definitely knows how to please a crowd....
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docjay: <<i lost a large chunk out of my lip in the 2nd and by the end of the fight looked like someone had taken a red paint roller to my chest!!>>
Now see, if you already had your medical degree, that wouldn't have been a problem.
Actually, it's ironic that No-Holds-Barred fighting gets as bad a rap as it does in the States..... opponents say it's inhumane and barbaric, but there are a LOT of rules that prevent truly heinous injuries. It could be a lot worse. Like you said, it's not Thai fighting.
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Lynn: <<as if we'd want to see a porn movie where everyone is wearing underwear>>
Boy, you said it. If there's one thing I cannot stand, it's porno's where everyone is wearing frickin underwear. What's the point? :-P
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In all seriousness, I think the Doc is right..... it's kinda weird that we demand realism in the activities that we pursue for escapism. Take the gaming industry.... when I think back to what was pawned off on me as a video game when I was a kid (Anybody remember Pong? or Tank!) it boggles my mind to compare it to stuff available nowadays.
On the other hand, I think movies feel like they have to do _something_ to set them apart from reality, and so even though technical aspects are more authentic, we are still seeing characters doing rediculously super-human things. (Vin Diesel's movies come to mind.)
*Deep breath*... WHICH is why when Crisis Four comes out, I'm hoping they cast somebody who doesn't play Nick Stone like he's an invincible one-man army. Yes, he should be able to change a mag like a pro, but he should also suffer a punch like a real human being and stagger back in pain- something you don't see too often in Hollywood versions of fights.
>>By Majorette (Monday, 14 Feb 2005 22:59)
Yes, let him suffer Maj - or he'd had to get himself a real job ;-)) Just kidding, don't worry. I'll drop a few tears when he's really hurt.
Lots in the press again about SAS leaving the Regiment for the big bucks, starting a career in the private sector.
Few quotes:
"LONDON (AFP) - Britain's special forces may offer their soldiers hefty bonuses to stem a flow of talent being lured by high pay packages to private security companies in Iraq, a newspaper reports."
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"The world has changed. It's a money-driven culture now and a lot of young troopers are treating the SAS as a training school for their private careers," an anonymous source was quoted as saying.
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"On Monday, the Daily Telegraph reported that some 120 members of the SAS and its naval equivalent, the Special Boat Service (SBS), had left the forces to join private security outfits including Kroll, Controlled Risks and Armour Security. "
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"The former soldier, who had just one week off in his last two years in the SAS, said: "They cannot stop people from leaving. The SAS lifestyle is extremely demanding and not really conducive to family life or long-term relationships. On the security circuit you have the potential to earn very high wages combined with an attractive working rotation, invariably one month on, one month off."
1 full article on
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
xml=/news/2005/02/14/nsas14.xml&sSheet=
/portal/2005/02/14/ixportaltop.html
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 15 Feb 2005 09:33)
Talking of private security firms...
Last March two British security guards were killed outside a power plant in Mosul. Their convoy was ambushed and they held off fire whilst the lead car made it through the gates, putting their vehicle between that of the power station workers and the attackers.
Now, they might earn $10,000 a week but I can't reconcile the money with the fact that no life is worth more than another. Why would one put oneself between ones client and a bullet? Defend to the best of your highly trained ability, yes but who are these people that expect that someone else should give up their life for them? I don't see anything in either McNab or Ryans fiction or any of the non-fiction that says highly professional soldiers are there to take a bullet for anyone else.
What is the mindset of two married guys with kids who not only put themselves at risk (OK of course it is a risk) but have subrogated their lives to a group of people also there to earn big money. Let's face it, these power station workers are just engineers. They aren't working on a cure for cancer. It's a job, not the military where people sign up to protect us civvies or even conscripted soldiers defending their country at war.
So, it is all about the money and you do what you need to do for a better life? Or is it bravado, shirking away at the final moment is cowardly? Or is it irrelevant, who, where, why, how much, it's all about winning the battle at any cost?
Or maybe its something else ?
I'm only saying I don't understand but I'd like to, not that this is a critisism.
>>By Lisle45 (Tuesday, 15 Feb 2005 10:55)
Re: So, it is all about the money and you do what you need to do for a better life? Or is it bravado, shirking away at the final moment is cowardly? Or is it irrelevant, who, where, why, how much, it's all about winning the battle at any cost?
My bet is on the money - and getting it a way you know (you hope) you're good at. In the field it will be all about surviving probably, but it all starts with making the $$ (imho)
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 15 Feb 2005 11:02)
The money and lifestyle are clearly factors in any SF soldier's decision to go private, but to be fair, and considering the frustration felt by many biog writers that they train endlessly but see little real action, they must also be motivated by the chance to use their training. Which would also explain their willingness to get involved in a fire-fight, it's probably not just altruism, nor is it likely to be them recalling the job description; it's what they exist for. I can think of many writers who gravitated to war zones because they were bored with normal life, there must be many more out there who don't write about it, they are simply danger junkies. And there are other perks too, consider what young men might get up to in lawless, war-torn places.
>>By camban (Tuesday, 15 Feb 2005 12:15)
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