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Between the two of you, I can't rely on peeking -- I gotta BUY my own copy of the lingo handbook outright! I'm lost in translation again!
Good here tho, innit? :o)
>>By am-i-binned (Wednesday, 4 Aug 2004 00:08)
AIB re So, Geo, are "the guys with the dettol badges" the ones who get down, get dirty, and get damaged (vs those in the high, clean, safe sky)?
We had a ditty 'Para para in the sky living proof that sh*t can fly'
Actually maybe I tarred too many people with the same brush, when I joine the army I wanted to join 9 parachute squadron royal engineers, (my dad insisted that we get a trade so no infantry for us) however the policy in the RE's then was that you had to do a posting to a field sqadron first, as a snotty nosed wet behind the ears sprog, I noticed that quite a few of the NCO's were either ex 9 sqn or ex 59 independent commando squadron RE, on the whole the 9 sqn nco's wouldn't speak to a sprog except to shout or bully, the 59 guys treated everyone the same. Instant respect.
later on I met a guy from my basic training, we were good friends in basic trg, he'd joined 9 sqn, and when we met in the cookhouse one day, he wouldn't speak to me..... knobber, these sort of experiences shape ones views.
As I became older and was promoted people tended to treat everyone the same, regardless of whether you served in 9 or 59, the 9 sqn lads still had that extra arrogance but it wasn't too bad because as an NCO you can tell them to climb off their high horses and hand their saddles back in to the stables, and as I stated the quality of the younger lads in the army in general and the SF units is reflected in their gung-ho we are better than anyone in the world sort of attitude. That I suppose reflects demographic and social changes as much as an increased liberalism in the forces. (bugger they are big words for me I feel tired now)
ha ha nemesis medals for tying their bootlaces... I like it. HOO-AHHHH
>>By geo (Wednesday, 4 Aug 2004 00:19)
your right with the standard of recruits but i was speaking strictly about the special forces side, i've seen guys and gals who couldn't pass mandatry tests so god help us all and i was at pirbright as a instructor and you can't backsquad anyone in case you hurt there feelings or whatever but you ask anyone that has served and it was always harder in there time.
>>By Nemesis2842004 (Wednesday, 4 Aug 2004 00:20)
sorry aib about the slang but you join the army and you do literrally learn a new language, between cockneys(londoners) and the rest of the population it is something that needs time to understand.
>>By Nemesis2842004 (Wednesday, 4 Aug 2004 00:22)
yeh see what you meant by the whole 9 sqn 59 thing just look at the cadres if your 9 sqn or 59 you get picked up straight off.
>>By Nemesis2842004 (Wednesday, 4 Aug 2004 00:24)
AIB... the lingo handbook doesn't exist.. the sacred terms are handed down, in secret ceremonies, from the uniformed horny handed sons of toil that went afore us.. some of the terms gracefully profferd by a red faced screaming stick man (seargent major) as he rammed his pace stick into your guts for misdememours... Oh how oft have I been called an 'oxygen thief' or a 'waste of another mans rations'.. them were the days.... I'm welling up here guys
>>By geo (Wednesday, 4 Aug 2004 00:26)
Nemesis is right, some of the terms I learned in the army do make their way into civvy street such as 'minging'.... as in : -
'JESUS CHRIST MAN YOUR F**KING EATING IRONS/ NOSH RODS/DIGGERS ARE F**KING MINGING' trans. I say young soldier your KFS ( knife fork and spoon) are not as clean as one would expect
but it is a whole new language generally
>>By geo (Wednesday, 4 Aug 2004 00:37)
god that was beutifull you should publish that.(it is so true)
>>By Nemesis2842004 (Wednesday, 4 Aug 2004 00:38)
i'd like to meet the guy that came out with gonk bag, that is my favourite.
for you aib = sleeping bag
>>By Nemesis2842004 (Wednesday, 4 Aug 2004 00:39)
woah... I'm gone for two weeks and suddenly the board has more newbies than I can keep track of! Is there something in the water?
Hi to all the new guys and gals. Welcome. Apologies for not addressing individuals, but there's too much to read and I'm still getting over jetlag... zzzzzzzz
>>By Majorette (Wednesday, 4 Aug 2004 01:48)
Welcome back, Majorette!
We've been hustling to look busy and make a good impression for when you got back! Did it work? ;o)
Geo and Nem, great grins! :oD
Yeah, I knew it couldn't be as easy as a lingo book for learning all your sacred sect secrets, but if you'll continue such exchanges, with hints of translations here and there, I'll do my best nig imitation and be a quick study!
Come to think of it, Nem, your "gonk bag" gave me an idea. (Ooops, no, not *that* idea!) But how about periodically including a soldiery term and see if we civvies are up to the translation challenge?
>>By am-i-binned (Wednesday, 4 Aug 2004 02:33)
Oh my....
Did somebody stir up a Flork hornet's nest? :-)
I'm updating myself at the moment, but I've only come halfway through p 190.
So this post might be interfering with any ongoing, in-depth discussion, but I'm gonna take my chances.
Here are some Patton-quotes I recently received from a close friend of mine.
Enjoy! (By the way... the typo's aren't mine.. this is a cut 'n paste operation)
"A good solution applied with vigor now is better than a perfect solution applied ten minutes later."
"Do everything you ask of those you command."
"Do more than is required of you."
"Do not fear failure."
"Do not make excuses, whether it s your fault or not."
"Do not take counsel of your fears."
"Give credit where it s due."
"In case of doubt, attack."
"It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that insures victory."
"Lack of orders is no excuse for inaction."
"Make your plans to fit the circumstances."
"Moral courage is the most valuable and usually the most absent characteristic in men." "Say what you mean and mean what you say."
"Take calculated risks."
"The duties of an officer are the safety, honor, and welfare of your country first; the honor, welfare, and comfort of the men in your command second; and the officer s own ease, comfort, and safety last."
"The soldier is the army."
"There is only one tactical principle which is not subject to change; it is, 'To use the means at hand to inflict the maximum amount of wounds, death, and destruction on the enemy in the minimum amount of time.' "
"There is only one type of discipline, perfect discipline."
"There s a great deal of talk about loyalty from the bottom to the top. Loyalty from the top down is even more necessary and is much less prevalent. One of the most frequently noted characteristics of great men who have remained great is loyalty to their subordinates." "You're never beaten until you admit it."
"-Maybe there are 5 000, maybe 10 000 Nazi bastards in their concrete foxholes before the Third Army. Now if Ike stops holding Monty's hand and gives me the supplies, I'll go through the Sigfried Line like shit through a goose."
"You shouldn't underestimate an enemy, but it is just as fatal to overestimate him."
"When this war is over, I am going to remove my medals and stars and leave only my jacket on and they all can kiss my ass."
"It is only by doing things others have not that one can advance."
"Anyone in any walk of life who is content with mediocrity is untrue to himself and the American way."
"God deliverus from our friends, we can handle the enemy."
"Give an army of West Point grads and I'll win a battle, give me a handful of Texas Aggies and I'll win a war."
"As I walk thorugh the valley of death I fear no one, for I am the meanest mother fucker in the valley!"
"A pint of sweat will save a gallon of blood."
"Give me 10 days and I'll start a war with those God damn Reds and make it look like their fault. Then we can push the motherfuckers back into Moscow where they belong!"
"All glory is fleeting."
"And I would be proud to lead you son of bitches into battle, anytime, anywhere."
"I always believe in being prepared, even when I'm dressed in white tie and tails."
"A leader is a man who can adapt principles to circumstances."
"Success demands a high level of logistical and organizational competance."
"Perpetual peace is a futile dream."
"My men can eat their belts but, my tanks gotta have gas!"
"It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived."
"Do as I have taught you, and you will stay alive."
"Battle is not a terrifying ordeal to be endured. It is a magnificent experience wherein all the elements that have made man superior to the beasts are present: courage, self-sacrifice, loyalty, help to others, devotion to duty."
"The test of success is not what you do when your on top. Success is how high you bounce when you hit bottom."
"War is very simple, direct, and ruthless."
"If I win I can't be stopped! If I lose I shall be dead."
"The U.S. must win - not as an Ally, but as a conquerer."
"If you treat a skunk nicely he will not piss on you - as often."
"I certainly love war."
"Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and they will suprise you with their ingenuity."
"A commander, once ashore, must conquer or die."
"The only way to win a war is to attack and keep on attacking and after you have done that keep attacking some more."
"When we get to Berlin, I am going to personally shoot that paper-hanging goddamned son of a bitch just like I would a snake."
"Compared to war, all other forms of human endeavor shrink to insignificance."
"If you want an army to fight and risk death, you've got to get up there and lead it. An Army is like spaghetti. You can't push a piece of spaghetti, you've got to pull it."
"If you believe in your defeat, then do not back down but stand up and lead your ass's up the goddamn hill."
"I have trouble with the a,b, and- what do you call the other letter?"
"If they send enough one and a half ton trucks to send the dogtags back, we'll make her!"
"If a man does his best, what else is there?"
>>By ortlieb (Wednesday, 4 Aug 2004 02:51)
Ortlieb old chum,
did your friend research the patton quotes for fun? mmm the long winter days must just whizz past up in Norway....or is he in the Norwegian forces and was made to learn them as some sort of punishment......mark twain once said that 'life is too short to learn German'..life is definetely too short to have to research George Patton.
AIB heres another one for you... 'green maggot' or just 'Maggot'..... its what you resemble if the drawcord is pulled too tight and you get bugged out in the wee hours of the morning........ its also a term for the army issue sleeping bag.. as you roll around trying to get out you resemble a fat juicy maggot
>>By geo (Wednesday, 4 Aug 2004 11:41)
thx ortlieb for the quotes especially :As I walk thorugh the valley of death I fear no one, for I am the meanest mother fucker in the valley!" and "If you treat a skunk nicely he will not piss on you - as often." and if your friend did research them for fun i reccomend a 2 week holiday to a brothel.
and welcome back maj, did you have a nice excursion?
>>By Nemesis2842004 (Wednesday, 4 Aug 2004 14:47)
Big lag here...maybe it's coz you guys typed in excess of 40 posts since I checked yesterday afternoon...yikes!!
Anyway...back to p.189 a mo' (4th post)
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info
/article4464.htm
About halfway down you'll find some stuff on the SF Directorate which reads in a spookily familiar manner...'recommended source'??
But there's lots of interesting stuff there too. Of course, if it's not true then I can't be blamed...coz I've referenced the source...
Mind you it has got my workplace right!!
>>By bikergirl (Wednesday, 4 Aug 2004 16:05)
Interesting site that bg, good info all in one place. Only surprise to me was that they seem to have abandoned Stirling Lines. This 'spookily familiar manner', do you mean yer man AM? your workplace? Hm, in the SBS now are we? tracking down militant microbes no doubt.
Also reminded me, is the place in Sudan, Dofur, where there is trouble with 'arab militias' the same as Dhofar, featured in the era of early SAS books, Lofty Large et al?
Also, can any of our military friends please let me know the order of rank for army officers starting with the lowest, etc.
>>By camban (Wednesday, 4 Aug 2004 17:03)
there you go mate this link will tell you the order and show you pics of rank tabs. http://www.army.mod.uk/ukpep/officer_rank.htm
>>By Nemesis2842004 (Wednesday, 4 Aug 2004 17:26)
dhofar is in oman, i believe you are referring to counter insurgency missions the sas took part in the 70s. i have tried to find out more about dofur in sudan, but all i came up with was something about dwarves and wizaeds and stuff so sorry about that but i don't think it's the same place.
>>By Nemesis2842004 (Wednesday, 4 Aug 2004 17:53)
Darfur is a region of the far western Sudan, bordering the Central African Republic and Chad. It is divided into three federal states within Sudan, Gharb Darfur, Janub Darfur, and Shamal Darfur.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darfur)
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 4 Aug 2004 20:58)
THX LYNN, all i could find was wizard crap, might have spelt it wrong though. can i get a link to your search engine though?
>>By Nemesis2842004 (Wednesday, 4 Aug 2004 21:13)
And relating to your 'place in Sudan, Dofur, where there is trouble with 'arab militias'
For the latest sitrep go to:
http://www.unsudanig.org/Emergencies/Darfur
/sitreps/data/situation-report-43.doc
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 4 Aug 2004 21:22)
You're welcome Nem (in all modesty, just use Google)
About spelling:
"Dhufar, sometimes transliterated as Dhofar or Zufar" but you can also run into Dufar...
which looks of course very much like Sudan's Darfur..
Well, it's not that hard but I do not recommend trying to figure this out when you had a little too much to drink (but I'm sure you all don't drink a little too much)
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 4 Aug 2004 21:48)
Nemo- yes, my excursion was very nice, thanks for asking. A little business, a little pleasure, and a whole lotta sun and surf.
And, believe it or not, I missed you, Nemo. Actually, I missed making fun of you. I mean really, you "MIGHT have spelt it wrong" ? haha, how do you type that with a straight face? ;-)
Kidding, kidding....
AIB- yep, it worked. I'm impressed. I was going crazy wondering what everyone was up to while I was offline.
Orlieb- I doubt Gen Patton said all those things. (I've known some Texas Aggies and I've known some West Point cadets. I'll take the latter over the former anyday.) Nevertheless, you've inspired me. From now on, I'm going to speak only in quotable quotes. Here's the first one, in Patton-esque language:
You get a more even tan by playing under the sun than by lying on your ass under the sun. You lazy sons of bitches.
>>By Majorette (Wednesday, 4 Aug 2004 21:55)
(Just to clarify.... that last comment was a joke. I don't normally use that kind of language.)
(ok, ok, I DO normally use that kind of language, but not in reference to my friends. I can see how it may have come across wrong. I hope I didn't offend.)
>>By Majorette (Wednesday, 4 Aug 2004 22:03)
Oh darn M, wish you had not done that !!
Sigh, ok ----- then bare in mind that
"Almost every wise saying has an opposite one, no less wise, to balance it."
and for some self-reflection on quoting:
"The next best thing to being clever is being able to quote someone who is"
(for me that should be 'someone who really is')
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 4 Aug 2004 22:20)
Oops sorry M, did not refresh, so my post is reply to your former post and I doubt you offended anyone
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 4 Aug 2004 22:21)
gee thx maj you missed making fun of me huh lol, well nice to see you back and "stand by, stand by" for a future retaliation lol
>>By Nemesis2842004 (Wednesday, 4 Aug 2004 22:34)
Just went to Amazon.co.uk and saw, wht i think, might be the cover pic for "Deep Black" and it is not his usual style.
Can't wait to rip the wrapping away and smell the new pages full of Nick's latest adventures .. * deep happy sigh*
How many days will November again ???
>>By Ninjawoman (Wednesday, 4 Aug 2004 22:44)
if that is the cover it better be the american one because i don't want it in my collection, it looks like some 50's crime novel.
>>By Nemesis2842004 (Thursday, 5 Aug 2004 00:00)
<<"stand by, stand by" for a future retaliation>>
Nemo, I'm shaking in my flip flops. You leave me Zero Option but to apologize. Normally, I'd subtly school you with a witty reply but I don't have time right now. My clock is broken and I have to take it to The Watchman to be fixed. For some reason, it keeps advancing in an Increment of 2 seconds rather than 1. So it seems like I have half as much time (or twice as much work) during the day. I guess that's what I get for trying to save a few bucks by buying Russian timepieces. Greed will get you nowehere, eh? I call it my Kremlin Device. haha. Get it? Kremlin Device? Like CR's book?
Anyway, I hope you accept my apology for picking on you. I really don't want to be on your Hit List. In fact, it's not just you; I make fun of anyone who consistently has typos in their postings. But in your case, I'll make the exception. You'll be The One That Got Away from Majorette's piss-taking. How does that sound?
>>By Majorette (Thursday, 5 Aug 2004 02:32)
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