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>>By devonwren (Wednesday, 28 Apr 2004 12:17)
Pffffiiieeeewwww, let's stop the pro & contro Andy Mcnab, the stabbing, the elbow jabbing, the winking, the .....
I found this quote on the net written by an ex- SF :
To be a member of the best regiment in the world is the ultimate, but it has it effects. The novelty of wearing the beret, blue stable belt and SAS wings soon wears off, only when you see other units looking at you and then looking away quick, sends it home to you that you special. - Ex SF.
>>By borisette (Wednesday, 28 Apr 2004 14:02)
And here's another nice one :
(I believe) The marines and paras are looking for the "right stuff" – the Hereford boy’s are looking for the "right man" – that’s it. They are looking for the individual who can integrate with a small team. They are looking for the totally dedicated soldier. Nothing else. - Ex paratrooper.
>>By borisette (Wednesday, 28 Apr 2004 14:05)
SAS soldier talks about Iraq
The Australian defence has let individuals from the SAS talk about their experience of fighting in Iraq.
In a preview on the Nine News tonight, Singleman Wallace described the battle which occurred in March 2002 in a valley south of Karbal where it was thought Osama bin Laden was hiding out.
He was one of two Australians with US forces dropped into the valley by helicopter.
However, the group was mistakenly dropped on top of an underground al-Qaeda stronghold and immediately came under heavy fire.
"We had guys with chest injuries, there was open fractures, basically fragmentation wounds over some of their entire bodies," Singleman Wallace said.
Lieutenant Colonel Rowan Tink said Singleman Wallace helped rescue some of the injured.
"Under fire we moved out, collected some of these wounded and dragged them back," Lt Col Tink said.
Singleman Wallace had the only radio and called for air support. The American B52 bombers then pounded the enemy.
"Without air cover, I'd say yeah we'd would've all been wiped out," Singleman Wallace said.
"I was just thinking abou thow I'm going to get out of here; I'm not going to die in this bloody valley."
Instead of attacking the factory, they called in a US fighter jet to break the sound barrier. The sonic boom scared those hiding in the factory.
"The result was that the people came running out with their arms up."
source - http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/
common/story_page/
0,5478,9379225%5E1702,00.html
>>By borisette (Wednesday, 28 Apr 2004 14:25)
Thanks, Bo...
Interesting article and interesting linked links, too...
>>By am-i-binned (Wednesday, 28 Apr 2004 15:30)
DW-- I should zip my mouth? About what? My observations of the facts of attorney-client privelege, the statement that bb exhibits bias or the fact that I like AM's work?
Every one here has a preference or bias one way or the other about AM and his work. It wasn't an accusation so much as a statement of fact. I have a preference or bias that is decidedly pro-AM. I like his work. BB has exhibited a pronounced anti-AM preference or bias. BB's entitled to it.
Bo-bo-- Re: >>let's stop the pro & contro Andy Mcnab<<
Your wish is my command. *bows to the scintillating Bo-bo* I'll flork DW and continue the discussion that way if she wishes. :-)
>>By Dare (Wednesday, 28 Apr 2004 15:40)
Sorry Dare, but your post was contradictory in content, and forgive me, but am I wrong in thinking your "difference of opinion" was with someone other than moi?
What struck me about your post, was "how could you profess non-judgement and immediately judge anothers' opinion as anti or pro ? without smacking yourself soundly in your own mouth?"
DW said: Shame Dare, that you didn't "reserve" judgement = postpone, set-back for later comment: when full facts have materialised
pause for one minute, rethink paragraph in respect of "when full facts have materialised" and, point at which I inserted dash:
- until such time"mouths" are better off well-zipped!! ....."mouths" = plural!
Do you have more than one mouth?
- dash represents break
Sorry chum, like I've said before. If you can't say it in public don't say it at all...Off board nitpicking is where rumours are seeded, fed too much bull, and become pot bound with inflated ego...I believe in honesty is the best policy, no hiding behind bushes!
Borisette shared my earlier sentiments on state of regression erupting as has a hundred times in the past with biased opinions.
>>By devonwren (Wednesday, 28 Apr 2004 19:16)
Ages since I've browsed early pages and saw my old title (buddy pages1-4) = Ah, Happy Days on gnooks! What happened?
A memorable Paul R posting: "I've just been reading the allreaders message board & you guys have just earnt some brownie points with me. Am-I-Binned, you handled yourself quite well with ***'s messages, and Buddy.......hahaha! If words could be loaded & fired....."magic bullet" responses. I like it. And Lynn, nice diversion tactics, I'd take you guys on board anytime.
>>By devonwren (Wednesday, 28 Apr 2004 19:53)
Let's stop this Hurly Burly at once !
Here's the Poem of the day (written by mr. Spike Milligan)
Born screaming small into this world-
Living I am.
Occupational therapy twixt birth and death-
What was I before?
What will I be next?
What am I now?
Cruel answer carried in the jesting mind
of a careless God
I will not bend and grovel
When I die. If He says my sins are myriad
I will ask why He made me so imperfect
And he will say 'My chisels were blunt'
I will say 'Then why did you make so
many of me'.
>>By borisette (Wednesday, 28 Apr 2004 20:15)
DW-- Did you read someone else's posts thinking I wrote them? I don't recall writing this "how could you profess non-judgement and immediately judge anothers' opinion as anti or pro ? without smacking yourself soundly in your own mouth?". Or am I misunderstanding your post?
I also didn't say anything about a "difference of opinion" other that what I stated in my posts. I'm sure it's pretty clear that my opinions aren't held by everyone here. Not sure if that's just you or others, but from previous posts by other gnooksters I'd say there are others outside yourself in that group. ;-)
And as far as your comment -- "Shame Dare, that you didn't "reserve" judgement = postpone, set-back for later comment: when full facts have materialised - until such time mouths are better off well-zipped!!" -- I wouldn't have asked for clarification if it wasn't necessary for me to understand what you meant. Can't very comment on it if I don't know what you are referring to. The "mouths" thingy though is part of that comment, so I responded on my part. There isn't anyone I can think of here that has more than one mouth, but I can answer for "one mouthed" me since it's in the comment you addressed to me. :-) And "zipping" my mouth is a losing battle. You should know that by now! ;-)
I don't have any problems with posting here or florking privately. There are some who feel like things deteriorate with our discussions here, though, and it makes people uncomfortable. Perhaps chatting privately will resolve that. Let me know which you'd prefer.
>>By Dare (Wednesday, 28 Apr 2004 20:43)
Interesting poem, Borisette. I like very much!
>>By Dare (Wednesday, 28 Apr 2004 20:55)
Thanks for the lecture, I am perfectly aware of confidentiality, and no one would buy a book about how badly treated wives of soldiers are, by their husbands or by the army. I started helping out these women when one SAS soldier encouraged his wife to go back to Ireland to visit her family while he was away in the jungle. She spent a month of the summer away with her FOUR children, came back to find her husband had handed back the keys to the house and was living on camp, the Regiment didn't want to know.
I have worked with SF in the UK, US and other places for 20 years and have a million and one stories I have been told in bars or in the Mess. I could easily write my memoirs and include these stories, but I wouldn't ever. I dont hold the SF guys in high regard, they are well trained, most of the time, different countries do things differently, and they do the job they are paid to do, many times more by accident than design. They, by profession, do not treat other human beings well, and this often spills over into other relationships, girlfriends, neighbours, wives, children.
The number of battered wives and children on any army base are testament to that, and now we hear more and more about soldiers killing their wives, Fort Bragg comes immediately to mind.
I have the piece written by Read's ghostwriter in my office in the UK, soon as I get back I will post the it. I think it was the Daily Mail and written the week of Read's death, if you want to search on their archive.
>>By barkingbob (Wednesday, 28 Apr 2004 22:35)
I t'aught I was speeka de Englaise good for Dare...
Apparently not ... ;-)
Too much damn Tulip dust, that's what causes confusion and misunderstandings of lines read out of context, and not read as writ, and lack of wits from boring twits...
It was I whom said: "how could you profess non-judgement and immediately judge anothers' opinion as anti or pro ? without smacking yourself soundly in your own mouth?"
In other words: The non-judgemental stance of neutrality that you proposed in first instance, followed in same breath with immediate judgement upon BB effectively negated object of exercise in posting comment that you were standing on neutral ground...
Indifference is Sad, Bias is Dangerous, and there's Evidence enough here about AM written by a few who have shared in his life and others who had access to those who knew him and were able to enlighten and to share with those who aspire to pleasure or dread of a meeeting with their idol.
It's a great Pity that Jealousy and Envy toward those fortunate or unfortunate enough to have met him (personally) - whether for or against AM in real life - still manages to surface in the strangest of ways inclusive personality/voice exchanges.
So too, same can be said of defensive mechanisms/responses, in respect of AM's personal image on this board, which are wholly out of character for those who are supposedly not within AM's close-knit circle of family and friends.
No other author message board brings forth such strong defense as seen here on the AM board, not to mention deliberate hounding of specific posters in the hope they will be banned from the board. While other author boards have people who agree or disagree with anything and everything to do with specific authors' writing and private lives, etc., the posters don't end up with long-term grievances and propensity to lurk in the shadows and only show as "noise voice" of a more mouse-like permanent visage...
So, what is it about the AM board that gives rise to such passionate responses for or against the man? I guess, the fact that no one openly answered my question about Kiss 'n' Tell sort of answered it by silence = majority aware at just how loaded that particular question was, but I did give fair warning! Dare say, that's why I'm getting grief for spot order pointing...
When an ex SF man or, door to door hawker knocks your door for whatever, do you know how to shake them (knock sideways)? Answer on Specialforcesbooks
>>By devonwren (Thursday, 29 Apr 2004 00:05)
in relation to the article posted by Borisette:
There is a short video, transcript from the Live Web Chat with the Ex Australian SAS Soldier etc here:
http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/
sixtyminutes/stories/2004_04_25/
story_1086.asp
Back to finishing soldier Five :)
>>By srowlandson (Thursday, 29 Apr 2004 00:18)
srowlandson-
re: Sixty Minutes video... EXCELLENT link. Thank you so much for that. I've watched it three times so far.
>>By Majorette (Thursday, 29 Apr 2004 01:34)
I agree with barkingbob. AM is a liar and deserves no adulation. AM (in Immediate Action) pretends that he was on an operation in NI - driving chasing IRA. Lies. He has put himself in Nish Bruce's (tom read) role. Nish was a brave soldier liked by many and admired by more and was subsequntly awarded the QGM for his bravery in this operation. where was AM? - on a HALO course in South France! Shameful. Nish was aware of this poetic license but was aware that the people that needed to know, knew the truth. He would often laugh it off. Nish was influenced by many to write the book Freefall during a vulnerable period in his life his wicked second wife being one of them - only after the money. Despite its truth and honesty, Nish regretted being involved in the book. Nish never read his own book. He talked into tapes and his repeating problems and illnesses meant that he never really had the chance to proof read a vast majority of chapters. Not his fault. He was ill and merely influenced and pushed by people that he trusted who had other motives. Nish breathes nothing abut AM lies in Freefall, an illustration of a gentleman, a soldier's soldier, and a loss missed by many.
>>By ukalvin (Thursday, 29 Apr 2004 02:20)
Forty Years on 75 yr old sees book in print:
For anyone genuinely interested in British Military History (events leading up to Arab nations' independence from British Colonial Rule) Frank Edward's - ex Intelligence Officer wit the Gaysh will feed insatiable appetites for modern Middle East history.
He used the title "Gaysh" because in Arabic it means "Army". His story is all about how the British and Arabs worked together in Aden in the years prior to 1960s Independence, and that mutual trust is not impossible!!
I don't know if it's for sale at Amazon.com, but you can get details at: www.helion.co.uk
His manuscript languished in MoD archives for 35yrs until a researcher discovered them and asked permission to read it. The person in question promised not to use what he read for himself, and suggested Frank's book was good enough to be published and further suggested Frank contact Helion.
>>By devonwren (Thursday, 29 Apr 2004 09:36)
UKAlvin...I hope you're wearing a hard hat!
>>By devonwren (Thursday, 29 Apr 2004 09:38)
Welcome, Srowlandson...
Thanks muchly for the ninemsn link -- ditto Majorette's reply! Is it safe to assume you've been following quietly from the sidelines? If so, you probably know what comes next -- SOPs -- care to share what you've read?
Welcome, Ukalvin...
Thanks for sharing your personal insights re: Charles 'Nish' Bruce. Some of what you mentioned has been discussed here before, but some is new. For me, Freefall was a sad story, on many levels, but most especially knowing the real-life ending.
If you would, Barkingbob...
I tried to find the article via Daily Mail but had no success. To stay guideline compliant, please flork the article at your convenience.
Re: Ghostwriting
Is it just me or is ghostwriting actually a "non-issue" issue -- presented primarily for the purpose of eliciting some sort of defensive response (since it is usually presented as a criticism)?
>>By am-i-binned (Thursday, 29 Apr 2004 10:36)
devo:
>I guess, the fact that no one openly answered my question about Kiss 'n' Tell sort of answered it by silence = majority >aware at just how loaded that particular question was, but I did give fair warning! Dare say, that's why I'm getting grief for >spot order pointing...
Don't over-estimate the level of impact your open questions might have on the public.....
>>By ortlieb (Thursday, 29 Apr 2004 14:04)
As this site (http://www.compleatseanbean.com/bravo-press26.html) has been mentioned recently, just like to point out my favourite parts (does that sound rude?)...namely Daily Telegraph piece (08 Oct '98)...gems such as...
"But does anyone genuinely want to kill him? Surely there are more important targets [...] who" don't "skulk about using a false name?
"He is offended. "I am important. What do you mean no one wants to kill me?"
"OK, assuming they did, surely they would manage it despite the false name. What if I were an assassin? I could be concealing a gun. What would he do then. How would he "stuff" me?
"Startled, he gazes at me in disbelief."
I wish I could have witnessed...
***
I wolfed down Mike Curtis' CQB between races over the weekend. Can someone with encyclopaedic knowledge of board point me in direction of where/who discussed previously? Bit disorientated here, with so much batting of pings and pongs...time to change activated carbon filter on room...
>>By bikergirl (Thursday, 29 Apr 2004 14:07)
Barkingbob, UKalvin, Devonwren etc. etc.:
Those of you who have insider knowledge about AM: what's the story on other famous SAS-authors?
M. Coburn, C. Spence, P. Ratcliffe, M. Curtis, R. Horsfall, G. Hunter, K. Connor etc. etc. ??
CR slates M. Asher for being a fraud. Is he ?
>>By ortlieb (Thursday, 29 Apr 2004 14:22)
Re: Ghostwriting
Is it just me or is ghostwriting actually a "non-issue" issue -- presented primarily for the purpose of eliciting some sort of defensive response (since it is usually presented as a criticism)?
;-)
I think much of what is said about ghostwriting here has an air of impartiality and not meant as criticism, for my part at least that is so with no ulterior motive/s....As to whether ghostwriting is a "non-issue" issue, has everything to do with personal perspectives on the subject matter...Granted, with realisation that a literary hero/ine (story teller) one thought of as a champion of the written word, only to discover that maybe (for definite) that someone else is the real wordsmith, a sense of desolation for an avid fan is inevitable despite inner loyalty to that favoured name on book cover...
There have been cases where editors have altered manuscripts to such and extent that it no longer resmble the original - one case in point was Rosemary D'courcy (formerly Orion publishing) who actually admitted to such a crime and in the end asked the writer to re-present the original manuscript....There are however, today, more cases of editors/proofreaders not even bothering to read previous bestselling author books with a critical eye: evidence enough of non-edit with typos, spelling mistakes, etc., that we as readers find distracting and annoying...
Fate holds cruel twists and turns for all of us, not least writers whoever they may be!
>>By devonwren (Thursday, 29 Apr 2004 14:22)
Ortie, as if I would - "Don't over-estimate the level of impact your open questions might have on the public....."
The proof lay in private correspondence - jungle drums, too!
>>By devonwren (Thursday, 29 Apr 2004 14:32)
BarkingBob- Is this the article you were referring to?
Copyright 2002 Telegraph Group Limited
THE DAILY TELEGRAPH(LONDON)
January 16, 2002, Wednesday
SECTION: Pg. 17
LENGTH: 1586 words
HEADLINE: 'Isn't he afraid he'll miss the world?' Last week, Charles Bruce jumped to his death from a light aircraft. Michael Robotham, who collaborated on his life story, looks for reasons
BYLINE: By Michael Robotham
BODY:
A week ago, Charles "Nish" Bruce pushed back his seat, unbuckled his harness and jumped from the door of a light aircraft, 5,000ft above Oxfordshire. Unfortunately, he wasn't wearing a parachute and, as they say in skydiving parlance, "the world came up and hit him"....
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As usual, a healthy fear of the boys at the CCC prevent me from posting full-text. If you want it, lemme know. I'll share.
>>By Majorette (Thursday, 29 Apr 2004 15:48)
Oooh, fanx muchly and yes please, Majorette! You know where I live... :o)
>>By am-i-binned (Thursday, 29 Apr 2004 16:10)
Yes, thank you that is the article. Mike was a great Aussie but had little realisation of the damage he was doing to Nish, not his intent, he didn't realise how McN was using him and Nish and to a certain extent Collins. If you can get others down to your level you feel better about yourself, this was McN's motive and of course, Lucus wanted his 15% at any cost.
He should come with a public health warning,
>>By barkingbob (Thursday, 29 Apr 2004 16:49)
Nice to see you're still all here.
So what's new?
>>By Nomad (Thursday, 29 Apr 2004 17:43)
Ok here is the deal for me, even if Andy McNab would have three eyes, more arms and hands then an octopus, open chest and 7 toes on one foot and is counting his earnings all day, I don't care.
I like his books. I like Nick Stone. It is too bad i can't ever sit down in a pub and meet him over a pint or two. * dreamy sigh*
How is that ? Good enough for you Barking Bob? I doubt it, but you will have to do with it.
Am now in the middle or reading Chris "see me be a pretty peacock" Ryan. Glad i bought it for 0,01 pound, it is not worth much more. His main character Neil Slater is paper thin and the next time he winks he prolly end up having to lead another horizontal dance .. yeah yeah very believable. * bucket please*
>>By Ninjawoman (Thursday, 29 Apr 2004 19:17)
Am I the only one who thinks Ninjawoman might be Andy Mc in drag?
Sounds like one and the same to me......
>>By barkingbob (Thursday, 29 Apr 2004 19:31)
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