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>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 31 Mar 2004 08:31)
Okay... now that you have our undivided attention, Lynn... ;o)
>>By am-i-binned (Wednesday, 31 Mar 2004 09:54)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,115587,00.html
LONDON — Coordinated anti-terror busts in and near London early Tuesday morning led to the arrest of eight men and the seizing of half a ton bomb-making material. ...
...."We do know that we have actually stopped terrorist attacks happening in London but ... there is an inevitability that some sort of attack will get through, but my job is to make sure that does not happen," Stevens said, British news outlets reported.
>>By am-i-binned (Wednesday, 31 Mar 2004 12:15)
Lynn -- Do you mean "guns" as far as what is available to civilians?
I am a bit surprised by the types of weapons available and all of the interesting "toys", but as a law-abiding citizen, I stand behind civilian possession of guns whole-heartedly. It is disheartening that so many criminal types are better equipped than the men and women that have the job of protecting us, though. I'm referring to police, not military.
Of course, I don't intend to wait for the police to come save me if someone breaks into my house. Nor will I hide under the bed, as CR suggests. ;-)
>>By Dare (Wednesday, 31 Mar 2004 16:38)
I have a pepper spray, will that do.
hey and what about running away,... shouting out loud, I'd be good at that aswell.
And what about throwing all those SF- books at the agressor, should work aswell. Wich book would do the most harm ? I wonder ?
>>By borisette (Wednesday, 31 Mar 2004 16:51)
LOL I'm not throwing my books at them!!! Forfend!!! I do have a really nice big book about Renaissance art I just bought, though.... it's heavy and if nothing else would startle the heck out of them. :-)
Oh yeah! I forgot I have pepper spray around somewhere too. Not sure where I hid it though... :-P I don't have a gun, but my sword would cause them some major pain, I think.
Running away is an option if they aren't going to get me from behind. Shouting out... if they have their hands on me and just want to take me for a "ride", yeah, that's an option. Noise is always good for putting them in a defensive state of mind... My favorite option, but strictly last option, is to let them know in no uncertain terms that they don't want to be there, cause I'll kill them if they try to mess with me. And if I don't kill them, I'll hurt them bad. Plain and simple. Let them know the risk isn't worth the payoff. But if it's gotten to that point, things are going to get messy and that's to be avoided, if at all possible.
>>By Dare (Wednesday, 31 Mar 2004 18:32)
Dare, are there statistics how many accidents happen because people have weapons in their house opposed to how many incidents were prevented because people have weapons in their house?
Just curious.
Pepper spray is illegal here B. How's that in Italy?
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 31 Mar 2004 18:43)
Yes, I'm sure there are some statistics about that, Lynn, but since it's a volatile subject, there are lots of political and idealogical games played with the info.
We all have weapons in the house. Some of them go "bang"... most don't. Most people are killed with bare hands or bludgeoned by objects. The club/hammer is the simplest of tools and weapons.
Here in the US there are places where pepper spray is legal, but in most places permits are needed.
>>By Dare (Wednesday, 31 Mar 2004 18:51)
Pepper sprays are legal here in italy, you can find them even in pharmacy shops.
Guns, you have to have a permission from the police/carabinieri. Normally here people who work like in jewel shops or have a large amount of cash on their job would have a gun somewhere.
And offcourse there are always those who have firearms illegally aswell, this is Italy, but if you get caught with them you're in big trouble.
Also it is illegal to run around with knives, you're not even allowed to keep them in your car. Just at home or at work, we all have kitchen knives anyway.....
Most people here get killed by firearms or by stabbing.
>>By borisette (Wednesday, 31 Mar 2004 19:49)
I found an interesting site about US SF info. Thought you guys might be interested.... :-)
http://www.sfahq.com/
>>By Dare (Thursday, 1 Apr 2004 17:46)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4551230/
Looking at these horrific images, witnessing such monsterous behavior and venomous hatred and ....
... with B20 in the mind, I can't help wondering .... what would Michael Asher's investigative conclusions be about these barbaric events?
>>By am-i-binned (Thursday, 1 Apr 2004 20:21)
Re rather pointless comment: "Michael Asher's investigative conclusions be about these barbaric events?" as above post Am-I-Binned.
Id like to ask Am-I-Binned's investigative conclusions re the following in a US State not at war with another US State, in relation to obscene violence in post-war Iraq!
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More recently, Jasper, Texas, a county seat an hour or so north of Vidor, came to the world’s attention after three White supremacists chained a Black man, James Byrd Jr., to the back of a pick-up truck and dragged him to dismemberment and death. The macabre 1998 murder and the resulting trial, which galvanized the nation’s attention for a time and resulted in two sentences of death and one of life imprisonment, led directly to political efforts to enact a hate crimes law in Texas. When the Texas House of Representatives passed the bill, 83-61, it seemed that something good might come of the racist murder. Then-governor George Bush promised to consider the bill if the state Senate passed it, but Bush and his Republican colleagues managed to keep the bill tied up in committee in the Senate. Bush, who was preparing to run for president, could not afford to be viewed as friendly to hate crimes legislation by his political base in Texas and across the South. When Byrd’s daughter, Renee Mullins, traveled to Austin to plead for passage of the bill, Bush initially refused to meet with her. U.S. Senator Kay Bailey Hutchinson was eventually able to arrange a meeting, and Bush is reported to have reacted to Mullins’ personal plea awkwardly, with icy disdain. Her meeting with Bush left Mullins in tears. Texas Republicans eventually voted to kill the James Byrd Jr. Memorial Hate Crimes Bill, but during the presidential campaign Bush spoke publicly about Texas’s hate crimes law taking credit for a strong and effective law that, in fact, does not exist because he himself prevented its passage.
See article:
http://www.mediamonitors.net/gillespie12.html
>>By devonwren (Friday, 2 Apr 2004 09:58)
Ooooh, and a hush falls over the room as all eyes turn in anticipation of what will happen next...
No, Devonwren, not here, not now, not ever again...
>>By am-i-binned (Friday, 2 Apr 2004 10:12)
devonwren:
Though it is outrageous as always, hypocracy and contradictions is nothing new in politics (especially in the banjo-resounding southern parts of the US of A).
What I think am-i-binned was suggesting, was the fact that it would be interesting to hear Asher's viewpoint regarding the recent barbaric acts of desecration by the "locals", as he painted them in very rosy colors in TRB20.
However, I do sense a bit of generalizing in the air though, as I seem to remember that it was the "outback" native bedouins Asher was referring to when he spoke of a people who was practically incapable of lying - as this (lying) was considered to be ultimate of disgraces and unmentionable behaviour in their eyes.
>>By ortlieb (Friday, 2 Apr 2004 19:22)
http://www.cato.org/dailys/04-02-04.html
BUSH Needs to Hear, Not Shun, World Critics
CATO Institute - Washington, DC, USA
... "The government seems to forget the soldiers who died or who were disabled," complains Andy McNab, a veteran of Britain's elite Special Air Service. "Politicians said they were willing to pay the blood price for their decisions, perhaps because they didn't have to pay with their own kids' blood." ...
This article was published in the Chicago Sun-Times, March 31, 2004.
...
>>By am-i-binned (Friday, 2 Apr 2004 23:56)
dont any of you remember the two British soldiers who were dragged from their car at a funeral in Ireland and stripped and beaten to death and left spreadeagled on wasteground. Irish Catholics, not Iraqis did that, mob violence in any culture or religion is capable of terrible things.
>>By barkingbob (Saturday, 3 Apr 2004 04:03)
Do I remember!!!
Wish I could say who else was there that day and could do nothing to help them. NI was a sh*t place at best, at worse deadly...
Interesting to see that off-topic (not Andy McNab himself topic) is seemingly getting past the merry gardener's scrutiny...Does that mean the shed has been dismantled?
>>By devonwren (Saturday, 3 Apr 2004 09:07)
Orty: rose-tinted specs - a matter of personal choice for some...
Ooooh, AM was giving stick!! (Am-I-Binned post) Good for him...He's in a position as a celebrity writer to remind people/politicians just who it is they send to the front line on their personal whims and ego trips...Where is Ossie (Osama bin Laden) ? Why are Allied troops running around Afghanistan like headless chickens, when he's laughing up his sleeve on silent mode in another quarter all together...
>>By devonwren (Saturday, 3 Apr 2004 09:16)
I think it's fair to establish that 'shitty' (softly spoken) things happen everywhere in the world. As if we didn't know.
All the more reason to keep the peace at least here.
I just thought of a new tv show:
(AM:)“to minimize the risk of raising suspicions you have to know how to make things out of materials you can buy commercially in everyday stores. Then you adapt these for your own particular use”
As, starting from this board, our guy seems to attract the girls he could very well be the british Martha Stewart of the adventures housewifes. Just a thought.
(I'm sure there will be laughing guys now trying to emphasize the Martha Stewart side, let me remind them that the girls are here because 'he seems to attract the girls'. He'll be laughing last)
>>By Lynn (Saturday, 3 Apr 2004 12:16)
PS: for anyone with knowledge of the name of my new dog: NO... barkingbob...nothing to do with me ;o)
>>By Lynn (Saturday, 3 Apr 2004 12:19)
Welcome, barkingbob....
Nice to meet you. In keeping with SOP's around here, would you care to tell how you happened to find/come to this board and which AM books you've read? :o)
Based more on what I've read and researched than on personal recall, I'm assuming you're referring to the murders of Robert Howes (23) and Derek Wood (24):
http://loyalulster.150m.com/Corporals.html
"The episode is remembered by many as one of the most shocking fatal incidents of the troubles, largely because of the graphic television coverage which showed dozens of men attacking their car. After being taken from their car and beaten, the corporals were driven to waste ground and shot. The incident, which became known as 'the corporals' killings', was seen as both extraordinarily brutal. The sequence of events was watched by an army surveillance helicopter on film which was later produced in evidence at a series of trials related to the incident. The film included harrowing footage of the actual deaths of the soldiers as they were shot by I.R.A. gunmen. ...."
There is no justification for any such atrocities, no matter who or why or where, regardless of colour, country, religion, whatever. How sad and scary that such inhuman monsters can exist so easily disguised within the human form...
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 3 Apr 2004 16:00)
>>>dont any of you remember the two British soldiers<<<
Yes.
I do.
Heart's thumping.
Hear it a mile off.
Remembering always.
>>By geist (Saturday, 3 Apr 2004 16:02)
Hi, Geist...
It's been a while -- nice to hear from you again. Would you mind if I asked you to explain your post a little more, please...
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 3 Apr 2004 16:58)
I cannot reveal the name of the person who quoted the below as I stumbled on him by mistake and I was sworn to secrecy, but you are all aware of him here...
IRA, ETA, AL QUAEDA, HAMAS etc etc etc....
"It matters not the name behind the slaughtering. All we know is that to us in the west where we are taught right from wrong and believe in good and evil, others have exactly the same right to believe what THEY think to be right and wrong and act on it. It is a terrible thing to take a human life - especially in a barbaric and torturous way - but we need to remember that these people are doing what they think is right and no one but God can judge them - or us. I too dream of the day when suffering and pain will stop, but the reality is that the human race will destroy itself before accepting peace and equality amongst all - it's in our nature...
The sheer thought that a person who slaughters thousands of innocents will go to paradise is unbelievable. The fact they will be greated by a hundred virgins is just a ridiculous and stupid thought to anyone brought up in a Christian - neh, Western - environment. What happens when the 100 girls are no longer virgins? Or if the killer is a woman. Call me ignorant, but I find it all a bit too much to understand. At least tHAMAS, the Irish or the Basque's have a goal, a purpose they are aiming for. What do Al Queda want? For the entire Western World to go back 200 years? It aint happening so what's next?"
>>By 27091974 (Saturday, 3 Apr 2004 18:14)
Ignorance is one of the deadliest weapons, and 27091974 shows he/she has it in bucketsful.
If you study your Qu'ran instead of just regurgitating the stuff that the right wing Christians and Zionists would have you believe, you would see a very different side to Islam. Paradise is a Persian word, if you were a desert dweller than paradise would be like a lush oasis/garden, the Christian view is that it is full of precious jewels and gold, hmm that sums up so many grasping Westerners! and remember most of the Qu'ranic translations used by lazy Westerners of today, are from people who neither understood nor appreciated the fantastic Islamic culture. Find a modern translation by someone who is not biased.
and just in case you jump to conclusions, I am an Anglican, Brit with no axe to grind, still taking the Queen's shilling, at least for a few more years, hoping to make a difference for good.
If you would like to broaden your mind, I recommend books by Carl Ernst or even Karen Armstrong.
Also glad to know the two guys are remembered, I was serving in NI at the time, it took a long time to get past the horror, of knowing I could be in the same pub/shop as these men, who saw themselves as heros for their cause. And as for the "cause' that the groups 27 mentioned, the ends justifies the means? Oh good, then I'll remember that when I have to give orders, wipe out the whole of Iraq, they dont deserve the oil/land as much as me and mine do.
>>By barkingbob (Saturday, 3 Apr 2004 18:44)
Personalizing the victims in Fallujah...
Video news report:
(it's worth the effort to remove all the hard returns in this link)
http://msnvideo.msn.com/video/default.aspx?
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Related news articles:
"Victims of Fallujah attacks were 'Made in America'"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4651943/
"The story behind the deaths in Fallujah"
http://www.dailypress.com/news/columnists/
dp-86973cm0apr03,0,19498.column?coll=
dp-news-columnists
"U.S. to rely more on contract soldiers"
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/
0404/04contractors.html
>>By am-i-binned (Sunday, 4 Apr 2004 10:05)
RE dailypress.com article American deaths in Fallujah:
Mazem Hazem said his piece about his approval of death to foreigners on his homeland (infidels), but at least admitted being disturbed by the brutal afermath...
What disturbed me, was: "April, May and June will really separate the boys from the men," a U.S. contractor said in one newspaper report. "The violence is going to get worse."...Futher to that disturbing remark came: And Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, deputy operations director for the occupation forces, told the Times, "We will respond. It's going to be deliberate, it will be precise and it will be overwhelming.
"We will pacify Fallujah."
That kind of retaliatory comment will be taken in similar terms as a Red Rag to Bull for the warlords of Al Qaeda, let alone those opposed to American aggression within Iraq itself...The Middle East is a tinder box about to go bang well beyond the sands of Iraq... I hope America is aware of she has unleashed in the name of Freedom from Terrorism for America....
>>By devonwren (Sunday, 4 Apr 2004 18:17)
damn fast fingers: "aware of Phoenix she has unleashed"
>>By devonwren (Sunday, 4 Apr 2004 18:21)
Thanks so very much for the above op-ed. The service you provide is second to none. This site is exactly the place for you, and the information you have.
Again thanks, Andy McNab would be proud to know the dedication you have to better serve us (infidals).
Whew We!!!! Thanks Devonwren
>>By DTO (Sunday, 4 Apr 2004 23:32)
Damn flubby fingers.....(infidels)
>>By DTO (Sunday, 4 Apr 2004 23:34)
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