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It was a joint Brit/U.S. op, with strong hints that SAS actually led the un-opposed operation.
The hostage-taker who gave away the location where the peaceniks were held was captured by American troops.
The rescued were Canadian and British--the hostage killed recently was American, so it would make sense that the Brits and their colony would have more of a stake in it.
In the end, does anyone actually care who did what? There was no one there to oppose them, so how could it NOT go "flawlessly?" I guess that means they didn't run out of gas on the way back and managed not to shoot each other.
>>By Just Jon (Friday, 24 Mar 2006 08:28)
According to a strange American guy with a big bushy blonde beard who was on our telly last night, it was Gard wot done it, so you are all wrong. Of course, the natural conclusion is therefore that Gard hates Americans, shame that.
BTW, hope y'all know that there is another superb installment of the adventures of Randy, way to go Jon!
>>By camban (Friday, 24 Mar 2006 12:00)
Apologies to my Brit friends for the inacurate statments. I guess those damn far right wing websites are full of shat after all.
Thank God G-Dub ordered the Brits in to keep watch over our feeble bumbling military.
Thanks to Buds and Bo's for the corection at et al. God knows they are the only ones who care. I'll remind Finchy here, she hates typos, so beware of a sneak attack, Finch!
>>By Reighnman (Friday, 24 Mar 2006 15:50)
LOL Cam, nice one. Only it's pronounced "Gawd" in my little corner of the world.
As to Brit/Yank forces "who's better?" stuff, I think in most cases it doesn't really matter. I mean, my local sheriff's department SWAT team is better trained than most tangos, and definitely has superior gear/weapons. The Mayberry P.D. could probably carry out a successful hostage rescue--the key is the intelligence gathered beforehand, I'd think.
Reighnman, the reason Brit military groupies like the ones you mention are that way is that they have a personal sense of powerlessness coupled with a sense of national powerlessness. Obviously, in a one-on-one war with no restrictions, the U.S. could simply reduce the U.K. to a smoking cinder. I'm not "proud" of that--I don't build nukes, after all--but there's simply no escaping that fact. Even SAS/SBS versus Delta/SEALs--we've simply more money and manpower.
Most of our Brit friends (at least the ones here) enjoy friendly rivalry and realize the thought of us going to war is ridiculous, and therefore the question of who's better, moot. I don't read the board you mention, so I've no idea what's been said, but please keep in mind that most Brits are neither gay nor insane--i.e., they're nothing like the people on that board.
>>By Just Jon (Friday, 24 Mar 2006 18:30)
Can we just conclude it was a joined operation - and keep dreaming that JOINED will be key word everywhere ;-)
Sorry guys, I ate some peace cookies today it seems. And no, those do not have pot for ingredient.
>>By Lynn (Friday, 24 Mar 2006 20:32)
Again Ninja and Lynn. Sit down for this. I was partly wrong.....It was a joint affair.
Which in most military applications, thats asking to keep the Brits in the REMF. But we give them credit for being there.
So Ninja maybe ask your boy toy first next time you feel the need to rebute. In fact I think you are needed at Duncans area more. I hear he's more your type of reading, then Andy. Right?
>>By Reighnman (Saturday, 25 Mar 2006 02:31)
Ok Reighny, cookie?
>>By Lynn (Saturday, 25 Mar 2006 16:15)
just one little post since i've ben away again it was us brits that done the job but are yank cousins could have done it as well. who cares were on the same side and jon, no you wouldn't kick are ass that easy nothing to do with superior firepower or whatever. it's just the brits are the most awkward bastards on the planet you kill us we get back up and have a cup of tea. And then moan about the weather.
>>By fony (Saturday, 25 Mar 2006 22:46)
Fony is right once again. I took on the Brits and couldn't even win a googlefight:
http://www.greymansland.com/thefight.html
>>By Just Jon (Monday, 27 Mar 2006 20:34)
For something completely different..I know Nick Stone will never become a tree hugger but I feel there's nothing wrong with some awareness.. But actually this one is just plain funny!!!
And it has Eddy Izzard! Need I say more ;-)
http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/aliens/watch.htm
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 28 Mar 2006 14:30)
Hot headline snatched from GreyMansLand.com!!!!
April Fool's.... NOT!!!
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4864970.stm
Woo-hoo!!!! :o)
>>By am-i-binned (Saturday, 1 Apr 2006 15:47)
Sorry to say this folks, well for some anyway. I am off for awhile. I've been offered and accepted a job out of country(USA) and must first preform about 6 months of pre-deployment training. Thanks to all and see you in about 18 months.
>>By Reighnman (Sunday, 2 Apr 2006 00:34)
If the above is true, Reighnman, where's my email?
Now to a question...I realize the SAS "winged dagger" is supposed to be a flaming sword...What I wonder is, why the hell couldn't they make it LOOK remotely like a flaming sword? I mean, how many times have you mistaken a campfire for a bird? I can picture the original designer saying, "You want flames, eh? No prob, someone get me Peterson's Guide to Peregrine Falcons."
Am I correct in generously assuming that ancient portrayals of "The Flaming Sword of Democrats" (or whatever it's called) were also made to look like a steak knife with wings, and that the SAS is just keeping up tradition? If not, I would like to offer my illegal Photoshop installation to the MOD for use in creating a new badge, along with my new one-page book for graphic designers, "Flames and Wings--Two Different Things."
>>By Just Jon (Tuesday, 4 Apr 2006 00:39)
Good luck Reighman, we will miss you. Hope you are not doing anything dangerous?
Jon, in David Stirling's biography he explains how, upon the formation of the Regiment, one of them took a drawing of a flaming sword to an old Arab tailor shop (in Aden I think) to have it embroidered into a badge but it came back looking like a winged dagger and they never bothered to improve on it. And that's it.
>>By camban (Tuesday, 4 Apr 2006 11:19)
Cam, if wisdom was bricks you'd be a housing project. Thanks for the quick answer.
>>By Just Jon (Wednesday, 5 Apr 2006 04:41)
Retired SAS dude to help lead new Brit version of effa-be-eye. Full story at:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml
?xml=/news/2006/04/04/
nsoca04.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/04/04/ixnewstop.html
Noobs--that's all one link, can't post longer than 50 characters without whitespace.
>>By Just Jon (Friday, 7 Apr 2006 19:01)
I'm glad BBC got the rights to Boy Soldier personaly i thought they done a good job on B20 much better than ITV done on The one that got away. Has anyone else seen TOTGA, if so what did you think?
>>By Psicosis (Sunday, 9 Apr 2006 20:11)
I think it sucked. Chris Ryan's lies are the reason Andy gets unfairly branded. I've stabbed more people than Ryan has, only in my case I didn't write a book about it and they were asleep at the time.
Agree B20 not bad, though Andy can only wish he looked remotely like Sean Bean. Looks more like a sleazy car salesman, really, but then again none of us can choose what we look like.
I think the Boy Soldier series is perfect for film (at least made-for-tv film), and I think they'll do a good job with it since there's a lot of potential out there for that sort of thing. Kids get tired of casting magic spells like Harry Potter--sometimes the child in each of us just wants to put a 7.62 round through a particularly thick skull.
Randy spoke again for those interested...Yawn.
>>By Just Jon (Tuesday, 11 Apr 2006 00:32)
I, on the other hand, enjoyed TOTGA: The Movie. If you regard it as a work of fiction, it's pretty good and doesn't lack credibility. The part where 'Chris' blows away an Iragi patrol is well handled even though it is said to have never happened. And of course all the extreme hiking must have occurred together with some of the interaction between the patrol members, much of which is corroborated elsewhere. In all, not a bad way to consume most of two hours if you like this sort of thing.
Boy Soldier should be quite good in pictures but I doubt we'll see it this year.
>>By camban (Tuesday, 11 Apr 2006 11:20)
I'm sure some of you have looked like Rocky Balboa after a fight? I've found a way without fighting (or falling) ;-) Hospital did a good job and I can fully recommend their service - breakfast in bed, clean sheets every morning and drinks all-inclusive. Getting back to normal slowly...iow..... normal service will be resumed asap, but forgive me for being way behind with the latest news ;-) Believe me.. I bet I miss Google more than you all do :-)
cya soon!
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 11 Apr 2006 13:30)
Who's google ? ;-)
And how come we are talking about Chr.... R... on the Andy board ?? That is like ... so not done !
>>By Ninjawoman (Tuesday, 11 Apr 2006 20:45)
It's YOU we miss, Lynn -- not Google! Glad to hear you're on the mend, tho! :o)
>>By am-i-binned (Wednesday, 12 Apr 2006 14:49)
Uh, Cam..."If you regard it as a work of fiction, it's pretty good and doesn't lack credibility."
Yes, same goes for the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. My point was, it's not presented as fiction. Ryan never stabbed any Iraqis (at least not in Iraq), and that he lies about it says loads about what's happened to the SAS.
In all fairness, I should point out that I haven't actually seen TOTGA...I make it a rule to not comment on movies I've seen or books I've read--makes it too hard to be objective.
With that in mind, I highly recommend Andy's upcoming novel, "The Grey Man." It is in my humble opinion the best novel ever written. Buy it!
>>By Just Jon (Thursday, 13 Apr 2006 05:30)
You haven't read it but you think it sucks Jon? If I suggest that there is a cartoon of McNab in, say, a Danish newspaper, will you burn down their nearest embassy? Anyway, what I meant was that, as a cinematic exercise, it works well. After all, we read and watch that which we know to be fiction but are still carried along by the story, sorta thing.
>>By camban (Thursday, 13 Apr 2006 11:27)
The thing that got on my nerves about the TOTGA film was the music it was naff and to loud and overpowering
>>By Psicosis (Thursday, 13 Apr 2006 20:10)
but the bbc b20 had an awesome soundtrack, well all the clash songs.
>>By fony (Saturday, 15 Apr 2006 15:05)
Exactly how can you beat a film with something like 3 clash songs in the first ten minutes.
>>By Psicosis (Saturday, 15 Apr 2006 15:47)
AVENGER press release:
BESTSELLING AUTHOR OF BRAVO TWO ZERO AND SAS HERO, ANDY MCNAB, AND TVSCRIPTWRITER AND PLAYWRIGHT, ROBERT RIGBY WRITE THIRD BOOK INTHE BOY SOLDIER SERIES
Doubleday Children’s Books are delighted to announce the publication of AVENGER, the third book in the BoySoldier series which follows the lives of 17 year-old Danny Watts, his ex-SAS grandfather, Fergus Watts and Danny'sbest friend and computer genius, Elena.
AVENGER focuses on the world of the young vulnerable suicide bombers who brought death and destruction toLondon in Payback, and the bomb master, Black Star, who grooms them for their fatal missions.
Danny, Elena and Fergus are unwillingly recruited by M15 to hunt down the elusive Black Star and help track himdown to America. Danny and Elena fly to New York but soon find themselves trapped in a nightmare of deception,counter-bluff and betrayal. As Elena finds herself in terrible danger, Danny and his grandfather find themselves work-ing against the clock and against all odds to save her from ultimate destruction.
AVENGER is a highly charged and hard-hitting adventure story which brings all the authenticity of Andy McNab'sSAS past into an explosive, dynamic and moving thriller, perfectly aimed at older children
ANDY MCNAB ON THE THEME OF SUICIDE BOMBERS
“We wrote about suicide bombers in our second book, PAYBACK, before the 7 July bombings ever took place. Before 7 July, Britain could treat suicide attacks withsome detachment. That was something that happened in the Middle East. But now,suicide bombers have become a reality in our own lives. It is even transferring to our children. A school drama teacher recently told me that she had asked a class of pupils to divide into groups and come up with a sketch that depicted a group showing unity. Instead of choosing to be the usual football or netball team, three groups picked suicide bombers. When Robert and I were researching the book, we looked at a number of suicide web-sites. It became apparent that it wasn't that hard to groom teenagers if you picked the right ones. We found that extremely frightening so decided to explore the subject more in AVENGER.”
AND ON THE THEME OF VIOLENCE
“Of course, for someone like me, there is always the responsibility of NOT glorifying violence. We don't glorify it at all. We try to show the horror and real consequences through believable characters caught up in a situation that could just happen. It's just not clever to be a gung-ho, gun-slinging Hollywood style hero. They're the ones who don't survive. Experience tells me that.”
Praise for PAYBACK
“Gripping plot and authenticity…this is a good gift for any teenage boy”. Independent on Sunday
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 18 Apr 2006 11:47)
Odd one this, or at least it 'reads' a bit odd, it's probably all about interpretation... Judge for yourself though...
Avoiding Bullets and Arrest In Search of the Truth
April 19th, 2006
Embassy, Canada's Foreign Policy Newsweekly
Paul William Roberts has made it his business to uncover what's really going on in Iraq during the U.S. occupation, a career move that's since put restrictions on his passport, but has made him an award-winning journalist and Middle East expert.
For instance, three years after Mr. Roberts was last in Iraq and spent four months covering the war there for Harper's magazine, there has yet to be acknowledgement of a horrific event he believes occurred at the perimeter of Baghdad's airport.
Travelling with a BBC crew, the Toronto-based, 45-year-old freelance writer arrived in an area where everything was "burned to a frazzle, trees were blackened" and where he saw a corpse, its legs like "charred branches from a tree," as he described it in his 2004 book, A War Against Truth.
(.........)
A man, who was involved in covert operations with the British Special Air Service (SAS) and has written novels based on his adventures using the nom de plume Andy McNab, told Mr. Roberts, over dinner, about 16 attempts to assassinate Saddam Hussein.
"The last one involved training a bunch of Kurds in Saudi Arabia with the idea that they would assassinate, simultaneously, a bunch of people in the Revolutionary Command Council to flush Saddam out of his hiding place."
"It ended in disaster."
The Kurds were given Kalashnikovs. But at the last minute, someone noticed that only one of two serial numbers on each Russian-made submachine gun had been filed off.
"If anything went wrong, they'd blame it on the Russians," Mr. Roberts was told.
So the deadly mission was cancelled. As for the Kurds, Mr. McNab "killed all of them himself," says Mr. Roberts, who adds that his "hair was standing on end" when he heard the admission.
Full article on
http://www.embassymag.ca/html/index.php?
display=story&full_path=/2006/april/19/roberts/
>>By Lynn (Thursday, 20 Apr 2006 21:37)
Hmm...Did Andy kill them all before or after he killed 250 Iraqi troops? And was Chris Ryan knifing Iraqi sentries while Andy did this? Really, that story is so stupid...I guess Andy's just so good he can blend in among Kurds, even though he can't speak English like an educated native. Wait--no! I've got it. He lured them in somehow and blew them up with explosives--now THAT I could see, seeing as how the SAS excels at planting bombs and blaming others for it. The sad part is, if he DID do this, most people would think that makes him more of a bad ass, instead of a murdering prick who kills people who are on his country's side. I salute you, Andy--you're either a murderer or a liar, and either way we love you!
Unrelated topic--a Grey Man's Land visitor contacted me, saying that Nick Stone's eyes appeared to be brown in "Remote Control" before turning blue in the later novels. I can't check this since I no longer own RC (needed kindling), so can anyone give an answer on this?
>>By Just Jon (Friday, 21 Apr 2006 00:59)
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