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>>By Just Jon (Sunday, 3 Dec 2006 00:22)
Ah, new page. "File referenced on previous page saved for your future...etc, etc....
>>By Just Jon (Sunday, 3 Dec 2006 00:23)
thanx Jon :-)
>>By Lynn (Sunday, 3 Dec 2006 00:49)
Newsoftheworld has this list today:
BESTSELLERS
Top 10 Hardback Fiction
1. Close (Martina Cole £18.99)
2. Recoil (Andy McNab £17.99)
3. A Place Called Here (Cecelia Ahern £11.99)
4. Lisey’s Story (Stephen King £17.99)
5. The Naming of the Dead (Ian Rankin £17.99)
Just 1 tiny place up.... who is Cole anyway??
;-)
>>By Lynn (Sunday, 3 Dec 2006 23:19)
Cole? ... what you get in your Christmas stocking if you've been naughty? ;o)
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 4 Dec 2006 17:05)
And this is a question .. why ??? We all know the answer .. pfff @ previous post of AIB. ;-)
>>By Ninjawoman (Monday, 4 Dec 2006 21:58)
Is anyone still working on the great mystery of what security firm Andy was/is involved with? Just wondered.
>>By Just Jon (Monday, 4 Dec 2006 22:52)
Reposted post (just in case anyone has seen it before) - thanx MG:
Aaaarrghhh.. finished RECOIL !!
Constant dilemma - finish it and know how it ends.. I wanted to, stretching it a bit so it wouldn't be over so fast.. I wanted to. Well...no more choice now. Sigh.
Really enjoyed the 'experience' (book), the topic, the characters and liked the end. Perhaps the 'technical' weapon stuff went a bit past me, didn't know all the words - but that's my problem. It didn't really harm the story if I didn't know to the letter, I got it well enough. I think the characters were worked out as much as is possible in a book like this. Andyway - I hope you all get to read it and I've got a bit of a feeling like my holiday has ended and I have to get back to work or something like that. I'm still not tired of McNabs books so I do hope he'll keep on writing more!!!.
I do have 1 urgent question to those who've read it, can you help me out here??
I need the exact location of that messageboard in Australia!! Anyone??
;-)
>>By Lynn (Monday, 4 Dec 2006 23:18)
ASSAULT COURSE
When Andy McNab went into the army, his reading age was less than 11. Now he is helping new recruits
Tuesday December 5, 2006
The Guardian - Diane Taylor
Andy McNab, the former SAS man turned bestselling author, and Jordan, the surgically enhanced TV personality, don't appear to have much in common. But both have played a significant role in boosting literacy rates among British soldiers.
Up to half of the British army's soldier recruits enter training with literacy or numeracy skills at or below the level expected of a primary school leaver. The army has a large and expanding adult education operation, and a range of initiatives are in place to help recruits grapple with "the three Rs".
Candahar Barracks in Tidworth, Wiltshire, is home to the UK's largest army education centre. At the barracks library, Major Ed Flute, a tall, enthusiastic man in charge of education, says: "I don't care what they're reading as long as they read."
Several of McNab's books are prominently displayed and are frequently borrowed. Even more popular is Jordan's autobiography. Between them they have helped to engender a love of reading among soldiers, some of whom had never read a book before they joined the army.
There's a flurry of activity at the barracks today because McNab (not, alas, accompanied by Jordan) is due to arrive in the next half-hour. He will talk about his own lowly, semi-literate beginnings and how the army improved his reading, writing and numeracy skills. His aim is to inspire and exhort a hall full of soldiers to improve their basic literacy skills and to take pleasure from reading.
The army has provided education facilities of one kind or another for many years, but in 2001 there was a big shake-up of provision. According to Brigadier Tony Brister, the army's director of educational and training services, the army faces many challenges as a result of the basic skills deficiencies among some of its soldiers.
Boosting literacy and numeracy rates not only benefits the individuals but also improves the general effectiveness of the army, he says.
(....)
As the soldiers return to their classrooms, McNab arrives. As a regular visitor to army education centres to give talks, he knows the drill. He doesn't allow himself to be photographed from the front because he says it could put other soldiers at risk - soldiers with whom he was on undercover operations in Northern Ireland.
McNab knows that his own childhood educational experience will chime with at least some of the soldiers.
"I hated school," he says. "That smell of boiled cabbage and floor polish. There was no incentive to learn. I was placed in the remedial class. We often had supply teachers, so we could get away with a lot. All I wanted to do was leave school and start earning money."
During a two-month stint at a young offenders' institution for breaking and entering, he was recruited into the army. He had no idea that once there he would find himself back in the classroom.
"I didn't know the army had any educational provision. My army teacher there told me I wasn't thick, that things were going to change and that the only reason I couldn't read was because I didn't read. "
His reading age on entering the army was below that of an 11-year-old, but the army proved to be a transformative experience for him. As well as being a prolific writer now, he is also a keen reader, catching up on the classics such as Dickens, which he missed out on when he was younger.
Full article:
http://education.guardian.co.uk/further/
story/0,,1963698,00.html
Who's J o-o rdan? ;-)
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 5 Dec 2006 13:16)
Aaaah, and there it is - finally:
PRESS RELEASE:
Andy McNab's Enigma Force launches on mobile
Press release supplied by Games Press 12:31 04/12/2006
Finesse Mobile Ltd has announced the launch of its latest mobile game, Andy McNab’s Enigma Force. The former SAS soldier and now best selling author Andy McNab has co-produced this game with Finesse and takes a central role in the action. Finesse has partnered with Italian game developer Impressionware to create this new title.
Players are guided through training exercises to enable them to join ‘the regiment’ and then are given advice as they tackle a series of covert missions, hostage dramas and surveillance operations. With three levels of difficulty and context sensitive control keys, players tackle a series of missions where they must use strategy and skill to overcome the obstacles in their way.
Kevin Holloway, Managing Director of Finesse Mobile says “We are delighted to have worked with Andy McNab and Impressionware to produce this game. The missions are superbly crafted and realistically depict the skill and daring needed by an elite soldier. Random shooting will not get you through the levels of this game; thought is needed if you want to succeed”.
Enigma Force is available in English, French, Italian, German and Spanish and is compatible with approximately 300 handsets.
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 5 Dec 2006 13:27)
Oops, left our links:
Article above:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/
content_page.php?aid=21504
And to the game:
http://www.finessemobile.com/PRODUCTS/GAMES/
ENIGMA%20FORCE/games_enigmaforce.htm
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 5 Dec 2006 13:29)
When does Andy sleep?
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 5 Dec 2006 13:35)
GRR! SUPER-SOLDIER ANDY MCNAB PARACHUTES ONTO MOBILE
You've read the books, now play the game
(....) if you're a fan of The McNab, you'll probably be dancing round the house in your camouflage fatigues at the news that Finesse Mobile is publishing a game called Andy McNab's Enigma Force. He actually co-produced it, too.
The game involves completing a number of training exercises in order to join 'the regiment', before taking on a series of covert missions.
There are hostages to be rescued. There are bad guys to keep under surveillance. And there's a packet to be made from the book royalties afterwards. Although I don't think that's included in the game.
What is in the game is three levels of difficulty, and a sensitive control system where keys do different actions depending on where you are.
With a great number of military games available on mobile, Andy faces a tough challenge. But for someone who's used to crawling through deserts taking on the entire Iraqi army using just his teeth (is that right?), that shouldn't be a problem.
Full article:
http://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/r/Mobile/
Andy+McNab's+Enigma+Force/news.asp?c=1970
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 5 Dec 2006 16:12)
if you love computer games i would wait till you get to see rogue warrior which is out later next year,
based on the richard marchinko books it is about to take first person shooters into a whole new world.
Has anyone read bloody heroes yet.
As for recoil the word liberation day comes to mind sorry didnt enjoy and didnt think it was a patch on dark winter .
>>By Bookish Geek (Friday, 8 Dec 2006 11:54)
Oh you have more names than McNab has written books Bri ;-)
This is not a computer game btw, but a game for your mobile phone.
Got the Dutch Aggressor yesterday..named Agressor. So at least can re-read in Dutch while waiting and waiting and waiting ;-)
>>By Lynn (Friday, 8 Dec 2006 21:51)
Quote McNab:
"Fact is stranger than fiction every time."
Oh absolutely!! ;-)
(see article: Spy writers say Litvinenko case stranger than fiction)
Link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061211/
en_nm/britain_poisoning_thrillers_dc_1
>>By Lynn (Monday, 11 Dec 2006 22:55)
Oops, here's the rest of it:
British solder turned novelist Andy McNab, who first rose to fame in 1993 with his "Bravo Two Zero" account of a failed SAS (Special Air Service) mission in the Gulf War, said: "Fact is stranger than fiction every time."
He, like Forsyth, felt he would be fighting a losing battle if he offered a Litvinenko-style story to his publishers.
"Trying to explain this as a plot to them would be a nightmare," said McNab, whose latest thriller "Recoil" about child soldiers in the Democratic Republic of the Congo is a bestseller in Britain.
"Even with seasoned editors you would be lost," he told Reuters. "Trying to explain this to a bunch of them would take all day. It would confuse everybody."
Well.. I'd listen all day, no problem ;-)
>>By Lynn (Monday, 11 Dec 2006 22:59)
And here's another Recoil article:
CONGO IN BESTSELLER LIST
13 Dec 2006
We're always talking about how hard it is to get Congo in the mainstream news, or northern Uganda, but it seems to be different with fiction. Author Andy McNab's latest best-selling thriller sends its ex-soldier hero to Congo in pursuit of an aid worker lover. In Africa, he finds child soldiers who are used to eating raw flesh and racist white mercenaries.
McNab himself was barely more than a child when he joined the British army, and fans relish his insider's knowledge of battle and covert operations. McNab, a former member of Britain's elite Special Air Service commando unit, lives under cover and writes under a pseudonym.
Maybe "Recoil", with its guns, guts and exclamation marks on pretty much every page, isn't to everyone's taste, but it's managed to put hungry - and bloodthirsty - child soldiers at number two in the Sunday Times bestseller list in Britain this week.
If you want a taster, the book's second sentence is: "We'd been training Mobutu's troops against these guys, and we knew that knitting baby bootees and collecting china thimbles wasn't high on their list of favourite hobbies."
McNab's got time for some jokes, too, describing a wealthy corner of Switzerland: "Enough gold and diamonds dangled from liver-spotted wrists to pay off a developing country's national debt and still leave Bob Geldof enough change for a haircut."
And if you still want more, you can read the whole first chapter - it's less than three pages long - on publisher Transworld's website.
For article see:
http://www.alertnet.org/db/blogs/
1264/2006/11/13-145730-1.htm
There's a link in the article to the first chapter on the Transworld site.
:-)
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 13 Dec 2006 22:24)
Number 2 ???
This is what Sunday Times books list looks like at the moment:
The Sunday Times November 26, 2006
The Sunday Times Bestsellers
Hardbacks General
1 Recoil/Andy McNab
(Bantam Press £17.99)
Nick Stone is forced back into action as he follows a girl to Africa
2 Close/Martina Cole
(Headline £18.99)
Mother and two sons are left to fend for themselves in London’s gangland
3 Lisey’s Story/Stephen King
(Hodder £17.99)
HA !!!
I'll copy it, so we'll have prove ;-)
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 13 Dec 2006 22:32)
Ohh that was Nov 26
Never mind, it was still 1 - then
>>By Lynn (Wednesday, 13 Dec 2006 22:39)
Recoil in The Mirror:
ALMOST single-handedly, ex-SAS hard man Andy McNab created a sub-genre of gung-ho, maverick military-centred thrillers. In many ways the guy’s a genius – with little formal education, he’s proved again and again that he can pour on the suspense, the drama and the blood.
He’s best in the thick of the action, with his alter-ego Nick Stone pumping away with an AK47. Invariably the operations are off-radar – dirty little wars that nobody wants to admit to – but when it comes to a bit of love interest, McNab becomes a touch unstuck.
Full article:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tvandfilm/theticket/
books/tm_method=full%26objectid=
18096896%26siteid=94762-name_page.html
:-)
>>By Lynn (Friday, 15 Dec 2006 14:30)
Mmmmm try as hard as i do and three reads later and nope still cant get this book sorry but its liberation day
all agian....I'm going to start reading non-fiction books for a while i think as i jsut cant get into recoil i havent enjoyed it and its far from his best work .
C+ could do better
>>By Bookish Geek (Saturday, 16 Dec 2006 05:30)
McNab is angry. That's what the article says....an article by Mcnab himself in the Sunday Telegraph, 3 pages long, trying to boost up Army's image:
'THIS AIN'T NO PINK AND FLUFFY STUFF WE'RE DOING HERE'
By Andy McNab, 17/12/2006
Some snippits (or short version):
Andy McNab, the acclaimed author and SAS hero, is angry: angry at the way the Army he loves is being overstretched and undervalued. Recruitment is down and many of the recruits who do sign on are barely educated. He wanted to find out what the Army is doing to put things right. After a visit to infantry boot camp - Catterick - he is impressed and reassured.
I am fed up with the way the Army has been portrayed over the past few years. With all the bad coverage given to it, you'd think the whole place was run by complete idiots and sadistic bullies. Incorrect media stories, such as the Daily Mirror's fake pictures of British soldiers abusing Iraqi prisoners, or the endless pictures of operational soldiers taken out of context, do nothing to improve this state of affairs.
All this negative coverage by the media hasn't helped recruitment much either. The infantry is currently running at about 3,000 men under strength. Admittedly, some of the negative images of the Army have been self-perpetuated.
I served in the Army for 18 years, both in the Royal Green Jackets, an infantry regiment, and in the SAS. During my time in the infantry, I trained recruits, and I know this continuous negativity towards training centres is completely unjustified: they weren't horror camps then and they aren't now. The image the public has of what goes on behind the wire couldn't be more wrong.
The MoD gave me permission to interview Brigadier David Clements, the man responsible for the training and welfare of infantry recruits.
I sat in the brigadier's functional office at ITC as rifles cracked in the distance. There was coffee on the table: always a good sign in the Army. The only time I ever got to see anyone above the rank of Lt Col when I was serving was when I was on a charge - and that certainly didn't involve coffee. Clements is big, bold and didn't bother with the white china he had given me. He stuck to his chipped mug.
"My job is to contribute directly to the effectiveness of the infantry. We train for war, not a war. That's what makes our soldiers so good in the field."
Joining the Army gave me something that school never did: an education. With the reading age of an 11-year-old it wasn't as if I was destined for a place on the board at Woolworths, more like stacking the shelves. But I wasn't alone. About 45 per cent of new recruits join up with the same educational skills, and about nine per cent join with skills between a five and seven-year-old.
For these recruits, literacy is as much part of their training as mastering their weapons. These young men need these skills not only to put into practice during their time in the Army, but for life once they are out.
For the past five years I have been asked to visit training camps like ITC to try and get across to recruits the importance of this education. I always say to them exactly what an Army educator once said to me as a recruit, because it changed my life forever: "Out there, beyond the wire, everyone thinks you are thick as s***, but you are not. The only reason you can't read is because you don't. But from today, that changes."
Walking over a muddy training area I could hear the shouts of NCOs to a 30-strong training platoon as they ran out of the woods and across the stream as a warm-up before a bayonet lesson.
Another Warrant Officer met me by the sandbag dummies: Dougie McCarroll, a Light Infantryman from the North-East. He is the Company Sergeant Major and also looks as if he has been in a boxing ring more than once. Maybe it's a prerequisite for promotion to warrant officer?
I talk to McCarroll about bullying. Does it happen? "If you put a group of young guys together there is always going to be a possibility that there will be bullying. It happens at every school, every building site at some time or other. But the important thing is, to immediately get a grip of it once it starts and nip it in the bud. Recruits have to get the message: We don't do bullies. We do soldiers."
The duty of care in making sure a soldier's welfare is taken care of is very important. I know, I was one. But as far as I'm concerned, out here in the mud is where the real duty of care happens - preparing for war.
These young men are given the most aggressive and realistic training possible so not only can they take their place in the line, but also keep themselves alive when someone is trying to kill them. There's no point giving soldiers the best in welfare and education, if you don't give them the very best training. There is an old Army poster that says it all. "Train hard, fight easy. Train easy, fight hard, and die."
I met up with the platoon in the junior ranks mess and welfare centre, once they had showered. As far as I could tell, you still got chips with everything. The welfare centre looks like a BA club lounge with Xbox consoles and internet stations and has been named after Johnson Beharry VC, who was trained here.
The reason they all were at ITC was because they wanted to do something different and exciting with their lives, to take a chance and better themselves. But what about the pay being so low (less that £13,000 per year) and the fact that by Easter some of them could be running around Iraq or Afghanistan getting shot at? Didn't any of them know this before they signed up?
Of course they knew. There is a lot more going on under a soldier's helmet than we give them credit for. But every single one of them wanted to join their battalions and fight.
It wasn't very long ago that Beharry VC was at week 14 of his training. Another young infantry soldier who won the Military Cross for saving his friends' lives in Iraq was asked why he did it. He simply said: "That's what they taught me at Catterick."
That sort of bravery doesn't come from bullying or a lack of care from training staff. You don't charge at the enemy with fixed bayonets lightly. That kind of courage comes only when you have strong camaraderie among soldiers and excellent training and it is something we should be very proud of. I certainly was, as I sat down to a plate of chips with the future of our infantry.
Full article (with picture of McNab with the recruits at Catterick) to be read here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
xml=/news/2006/12/17/narmy17.xml&page=1
Enjoy :-)
>>By Lynn (Sunday, 17 Dec 2006 23:06)
What an uplifting article, hope he goes on to expand his area of influence. Surprised that he didn't mention the system of recruiting sergeants who used to interview young miscreants as a part of the courts process to assess their suitability for army life, that is how he and others got into it in the beginning. Today's prisons are full of potentially fit young men with no hope who could be helped enormously with their lives and go some way to resolving the recruitment crisis he mentions. Such a waste of young lives, it bothers me often.
>>By camban (Monday, 18 Dec 2006 13:17)
Thanks for the article and its link, Lynn!
Definitely worth reading the ENTIRE article -- one of the best (and longest) pieces he's written in quite a while!
Had to grin when I found source of the article's caption:
"The Warrant Officer, Sgt Maj James Fitzwater, in command of TLAT [Training and Leadership Advisory Team] sat me down in front of his PowerPoint display to explain how he prepares the training teams. He wanted to make one thing very clear, as the job title did sound a bit like corporate speak. 'This ain't no pink and fluffy stuff we're doing here. We are here to produce f****** good soldiers.' "
>>By am-i-binned (Monday, 18 Dec 2006 15:11)
Once again, Andy solves the problem of the uneducated poor. Let them all fight our wars for us--then they'll be taught to read their field manuals and get some extra welfare.
And a poor person who is say, disabled, and can't go kill for a living? Well, fuck 'em! And the poor who might not believe killing Iraqis is a good idea? See above. Fuck 'em!
The people he interviewed sounded so much like pimps (you don't know this because you've not lived among the poor and desperate). "I keep my bitches safe. Without me, they'd be helpless. We teach them to survive on the streets." Substitute "war zone" for "streets" and you have your basic pimp.
Well, I for one have more respect for someone who fucks for a living than someone who kills for a living. All those recruits Andy so admires are willing to kill men, women, children...anyone. Yet it's okay because in order to be efficient killers they must learn to read, and reading is important. Not important enough to teach at school, because that might mean Andy has to pay more taxes...but important enough to make a few poor bastards die for.
Andy, I learned to read on my own. I had shit family life and shit schools and no money, but I educated myself and never had to make someone else's morality my own just so I could get some "extra welfare."
Cam's right in one sense, we should indeed offer military service to convicted criminals. Criminals and soldiers are so similar, we might as well empty the prisons to populate our armies. I doubt anyone would notice the difference.
>>By Just Jon (Monday, 18 Dec 2006 21:16)
Fair enough Jon, nobody could disagree with your basic points, let us note though that only a relatively small proportion of military personnel are in the front line, the majority are learning valuable life skills in a stable, safe environment which will enhance their future to mutual advantage. Forgive me for pointing out that the logical conclusion of your argument results in no military at all. A worthwhile aim but unlikely in today's world. Also take note that modern armies are concentrated upon skills which keep young soldiers alive; no cannon fodder these days!
>>By camban (Tuesday, 19 Dec 2006 11:29)
One can argue about whether we should need soldiers.... most of us want peace - except the war industry (which is large unfortunately). But while soldiers are in the military, it's a good thing they're educated on a more broad basis. I can image being (feeling) uneducated makes you insecure and I'm sure this leads to a lot of aggression (out of frustration, feeling 'less valuable', misunderstandings etc)
And since the army is not supposed to be fullfilling for a lifetime.. it gives the ex-soldiers a better chance in civil life. I can only see positive things in educating soldiers.
Jon, I've read nowhere that Andy thinks the poor disabled or poor people who do not believe in killing should be excluded from education but Andy might not appeal much to their imagination so that's a job of others. To change you the world you have to start somewhere.. perhaps Andy is starting in a world that he knows, which is the smart thing to do.
Now if only I get him to hug trees also.
;-)
>>By Lynn (Tuesday, 19 Dec 2006 14:28)
Them's fighting words, Just Jon, in more ways than one...
Too bad for you in a way, tho, cuz I’ve learned to not take what you post too seriously – mostly cuz I know you take great delight in your superior powers of prickness. I do admit, however, that opposing viewpoints can be very stimulating – both cerebrally and physically in a blood-pressure-raising kind of way, so I’ll give you what you like best and oppose a few of your sarcastic overstatem… err, I mean… a few of your astute assertions.
<< Once again, Andy solves the problem of the uneducated poor. >>
AM is not endorsing the military as the universal and exclusive solution to the problem of undereducated poor. It is, however, a viable (and preferable) option for some.
<< And a poor person who is say, disabled, and can't go kill for a living? Well, fuck 'em! And the poor who might not believe killing Iraqis is a good idea? See above. Fuck 'em! >>
Nonsequitur. Being poor, physically disabled or some sort of conscientious objector does not automatically result in illiteracy. Learning requires effort, tho – so if someone is unwilling to make the effort, then, yes, fuck ‘em…
<< The people he interviewed sounded so much like pimps (you don't know this because you've not lived among the poor and desperate). >>
Who is the parenthetical "you" who doesn't know this? Are you talking AM or us?
Cuz if you’re talking AM, you're off by a long shot – Bermondsey, Peckham, Borstal ring any bells?
Now if you’re talking us, how do you know where we’ve lived and what we know? Never good to assume, it makes an ASS out of U and ME.
And with your pimp analogy, why limit it to military? After all, couldn’t anyone who works or provides a service be considered a prostitute -- the pimps being the bosses, companies, businesses, trades, vocations, etc. we work for. I mean, don’t they keep us relatively safe financially and off the streets? I, for sure, would be helpless (moneywise) without an employer or two. So maybe what it comes down to in life is choosing which pimp suits us best – private, public, or military.
<< Well, I for one have more respect for someone who fucks for a living than someone who kills for a living. >>
Is that respect for the pimp or the prostitute? ;oP
What’s to respect about a trade/profession rooted in abuse and victimization versus one established to protect and defend?
<< All those recruits Andy so admires are willing to kill men, women, children...anyone. Yet it's okay because in order to be efficient killers they must learn to read, and reading is important.>>
Hmm… an incendiary phrased to sound indefensible (akin to "do you still beat your wife? yes or no").
Reading, in today’s info-net world, is a fundamental survival skill -- for civvies and soldiers alike. Where or how reading skills are learned is irrelevant. And, you must admit, most guys do believe in the importance of improving reading skills – why else buy Playboy? As Patton said: "The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." If reading is what it takes, so be it.
<<Not important enough to teach at school, ... >>
This is more of an indictment against current school systems than any negative about military education. Could it be that schools could use a bit more structure and discipline, like, oh, I dunno, in the military?
<< Andy, I learned to read on my own. I had shit family life and shit schools and no money, but I educated myself and never had to make someone else's morality my own just so I could get some "extra welfare." >>
Ahem. What's good for one goose.... might get another's gander.
<<Cam's right in one sense, we should indeed offer military service to convicted criminals. Criminals and soldiers are so similar, we might as well empty the prisons to populate our armies. I doubt anyone would notice the difference.>>
Yes, Cam is right, but not quite as you’ve presented it. The difference, hopefully, would be between the “before” and “after” – which is more like what Cam was getting at and what AM constantly bears witness to. Discipline, direction, focus, purpose, self-worth, self-confidence, self-sacrifice – qualities which, once learned, do make a very noticeable difference -- not only in the life of the individual but in the lives of all of us.
Ball’s in your court, JJ… :o)
>>By am-i-binned (Tuesday, 19 Dec 2006 20:43)
Well hugging trees is not without danger too L, after all it is the season of the xmas tree and oh deary me .. that can hurt !!! A lot ! :-)
Be at peace my fellow F-Trooper
>>By Ninjawoman (Tuesday, 19 Dec 2006 20:45)
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