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Thank Goodness i have lived in Uk mainland since 1977 and have seen things from afar.
Andy Mc Nab is such a favourite of mine, and he cant write novels quick enough for me. Nick Stone is wonderful.
Keep them coming,
Best Wishes
Boogle
>>By boogle (Sunday, 26 Jan 2003 02:14)
I have read all of Andy Mcnab's book they are all great especially Bravo Two
Keep the books rollin
Stu
>>By Stu (Sunday, 26 Jan 2003 02:14)
Hello boogle, Doug and Stu! I'm so happy to get some responses regarding Andy McNab!
Would you care to discuss specifics about any of his books? There are some interesting internet sites that substantiate his facts/fiction. One in particular (boogle, you might already know this one) is: http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/chron/index.html. Look for Nicholas Smith 3/4/78, Peadar McElvenna 6/9/79 (Andy's first contact/kill), Alistar Slater 12/2/84; and 3/6/88 Mairead Farrell, Daniel McCann and Sean Savage. You can also use Google to find "Operation Flavius", "Sunburn Missile", "Moonlight Maze", "Echelon", etc. I even found a webcam with a 10 second refresh rate showing the Panama Canal (sound familiar?).
I'm absolutely fascinated with how Andy incorporates so much fact-based information; it makes everything so much more intriguing, reading between the lines and recognizing his own personal experiences translated into the Nick Stone fictions.
Also, have any of you read Chris Ryan's "The One That Got Away" or read any of the info on Mike (Mark the Kiwi) Coburn's legal battle to publish his book "Soldier Five"?
That's probably enough to start with for now. Please post soon and as much as possible. I'm really interested in sharing your thoughts, opinions, questions, etc.....
amibinned
>>By amibinned (Sunday, 26 Jan 2003 02:14)
The main reson that i enjoy McNab's novels is that they are writen in the eyes of the character and not as a narater. And that he uses know training and experiance to create amazing books.
keep 'em coming
M4tt
>>By Matt (Sunday, 26 Jan 2003 02:14)
I agree with you completely, Matt, on both counts. I think that Andy's strength is in using the first-person narrative style, especially since it reinforces how authentic everything seems/sounds. If he told his stories in third-person, I'd be more inclined to perceive everything as fictional, whereas, I'm actually intrigued by his books because so much of what he includes really happened and he's woven it into his fictions. I think, too, that he's particularly good with the first-person narrative in making you understand and empathize with Nick Stone. Also, because information is only seen through Nick Stone's eyes, it puts the reader in the same position of not really knowing all the facts, not knowing ahead of time what other characters are doing and/or why. In other words, in third-person narratives, the author can tell you what's going on with several characters, maybe even their motivations and thoughts. Nick Stone (and the reader) only experience one perspective and have to interpret actions and events as they unfold -- I find that especially suspenseful! I also find it frustrating sometimes because I want to know more. As an example, in Firewall -- when Valentin tells Nick "There might even be time for us to get together so that I can explain this whole sorry affair" -- I want to know what that explanation is, exactly what Ignati's role was, who were Valentin's nephews, etc. -- but Nick doesn't really know, so neither do I....
>>By amibinned (Sunday, 26 Jan 2003 02:14)
Is Liberation day going to be the last Nick Stone book?
Hope not.....all so far have been fantastic!
>>By Paul (Sunday, 26 Jan 2003 02:14)
Hello, Paul. Sorry you didn't get a reply sooner. I don't check here often anymore because of lack of activity (suggest allreaders.com).
"Relax with a Book" (don't know exact website off-hand but you could find it with a search) has two Andy McNab interviews: Firewall and Liberation Day. If you search in their archived interviews for those book names, you'll find the interviews. For some reason I have problems on their site searching for Andy McNab, but the book names work.
Bottomline good news is, per the RWAB LD interview, Andy says it's not the last NS book!
Maybe I'll see you some time at allreaders....
>>By amibinned (Sunday, 26 Jan 2003 02:14)
sure will.
Thanks.
Paul
>>By paul (Sunday, 26 Jan 2003 02:14)
I think McNab is a gifted writer. I enjoy reading his books, fiction & non-niction. However, I question some of his accounts in 'Bravo Two Zero'. After reading Peter Ratcliffe's book 'Eye of the Storm' I can't help but wonder how much McNab selectively chose to remember and/or forget. I do like his story though, and only few people will ever know what actually happened. McNab is responsible for making Spec. Ops books popular and easy to find in book stores worldwide--for this a thank him greatly. I think Chris Ryan's account is greatly exagerated and I don't like the fact that in his book he bags on the rest of the patrol so much.
>>By RTUd (Sunday, 26 Jan 2003 02:14)
Hi, RTUd, fancy meeting you here! Now you know why I asked you that question...
See you in allreaders....
>>By amibinned (Sunday, 26 Jan 2003 02:14)
Rtu'd....after reading your message re some of A/M accounts in Bravo Two Zero, i'd be interested to know wich accounts you find A/M has chosen to have selective memory. After all, all books re real life operations are submitted to the MOD prior ro publication. As we all know, names/places are changed, and some parts are edited out completly.
amibinned.....i've read the accounts of C/R in "The One That Got Away". Although I find it amazing how he managed to get away in the way that he did, I find C/R is trying to become a bit of a celebrity (a huge picture of his face on the back cover of his books/and the programme based on the book <i'm not sure if it has been available in the States> on which C/R was an advisor, showed how everyone in the partol made mistakes that lead to C/R's situation).
A old flame of C/R's has even sold her story to a tabloid newspaper in the UK (not his fault, I know but nevertheless it's a nice bit of publicity for him isn't it?)
>>By paul (Sunday, 26 Jan 2003 02:14)
Th, Jan 9, 2003 (I'm including the date so we can tell when posted)
Hello again, Paul.
Can't speak to the film version of TOTGA (only available in PAL which won't play on standard US VCRs and TVs). From what I've read in various places the film company overrode CR on the production so everything ended up being more exaggerated than CR's version (including the negativism toward rest of patrol). I heard about the News of the World articles from one of the posters at allreaders.com (not sure if those conversations are still posted). Same for conversations about differences between AM and CR writing styles and content: optimism, pessimism, omission of negative details, justified or unjustified criticism, "the spin" on actual events, etc.
By the way, were you able to find the Relax with a Book interviews? Did you maybe check out any of the sites I mentioned in one of my earlier posts here?
I'll try to stop here more frequently if this is where you want to post. Still recommend allreaders.com -- small group but interesting and growing, including RTUd, whom I mistook for you.
e-chat again soon....
>>By amibinned (Sunday, 26 Jan 2003 02:14)
I love Andy´s books. Has anyone read the book "The real Bravo Two Zero"? According to this book most of Andys and Chris sories are lies
Has anyone seen or heard a comment from Andy about this?
>>By Swedish reader (Sunday, 26 Jan 2003 02:14)
Sun, Jan 26, 2003
(please date posting since this is not a very active message board)
Hello, Swedish Reader:
Not aware of any direct public comments from Andy regarding "The Real Bravo Two Zero" -- have you read it or are you just enquiring whether Andy has responded to it? Have you read Chris Ryan's "The One That Got Away"? There are discrepancies between Andy's and Chris' stories as well. Regarding "The Real Bravo Two Zero" though, I would strongly advise considering Michael Asher's sources for his fact-finding -- the Iraqis -- and if memory serves correctly, weren't they the enemy?!?
Have you read all of Andy's books, both non-fiction and fiction?
(suggest also visiting allreaders.com)
>>By amibinned (Monday, 27 Jan 2003 01:42)
Jan 29, 2003
Yes I have read all Andys books and parts of "The One That Got Away" and "The Real Bravo Two Zero".
I know the differences.
I have seen a commet from Chris but not from Andy. I`d like to know what he says about it and about "Soldier 5" by Mark/Mike Coburn.
>>By Swedish reader (Wednesday, 29 Jan 2003 08:29)
Jan 29, 2003
Hello again, Swedish reader, I've been checking for you each day!
What was your impression of what you read in "The Real Bravo Two Zero"? I hope you didn't take any offense in my previous questions, absolutely none was meant -- I was just trying to find out how extensively you're into this author and/or topic. And from your Mark/Mike comment, I can tell a lot.
I recall reading "comments through spokesperson" for Andy regarding
"Soldier Five" -- I'll have to check and see if I saved. I'm a little handicapped on finding comments/quotes on such things from Chris or Andy since I'm in the US. Most of what I can find is limited by which UK newspapers have online articles available. I know, for example, that a couple of series of articles have appeared in UK tabloid News of the World (both for Chris and for Andy), but NOTW's online site does not cover all their articles, only top items. What was/were Chris' comment(s)?
Re: "Soldier Five" -- I did find an ISBN publication number for Mike's book, but can't find whether it has actually been put out into circulation. Do you know anything? I feel really bad for Mike considering the court ruling that he can publish but all proceeds must go to the British Government -- like it wasn't bad enough that B20 was betrayed once already....deja vu....
Look forward to e-chatting again soon. Allreaders.com has been a little quiet over the last week or two. All of us have been very busy, but hopefully we'll pick up again shortly....care to join us?
>>By amibinned (Wednesday, 29 Jan 2003 16:52)
Maybe mcnab in Ulster comited crimes against a people who fight for its liberty.
>>By P. (Thursday, 30 Jan 2003 15:59)
Now gather round you Protestants,
I’ve got a tale to tell,
Of how a bloke called Michael Stone
Blasted the IRA to hell.
He climbed into the cemetery,
Clutching guns and grenades
And blasted the Fenian fuckers
As they stood amongst the graves !
The Mickeys dived for cover,
As the bombs fell all around
Then Michael took out his trusty gun
And shot three Provos down.
Some tried in vain to chase him
But our hero showed no fear,
He shouted “Come and get me”
With two fingers in the air !
Big-mouth Gerry Adams,
His face a ghostly white
Was hiding behind a tombstone
His knickers full of shite,
The yellow Provie bastard,
His mouth now lost for words
Was hiding from big Michael,
As down his leg ran turds !
But good luck to you Michael
You really made our day.
A real-life one man army
Who faced the IRA.
Ten thousand Fenian bastards
Where scared to death of you
A victory for old Ulster,
and The fine RED, WHITE and BLUE.
>>By Pacemaker (Thursday, 30 Jan 2003 23:48)
Jan 31, 2003
Hello Amibinned!
Thanks for the News Of The World and Allreaders.com sites. I have checked Allreaders. Looking forward to read more.
I also have problems finding articles about Andy, chris and the others.
My thoughts about The Real Bravo Two Zero: Surprised that they do remember dates and even what time things happened 10 years ago But on the other hand finding/seeing foreign soldiers there most have been exciting.
I also know that a story that is told many times to different people often changes a lot.
Some of it correspond with Andys book and some with Chris.
Some one is obviously not telling the truth.
The comment from Chris was that his book was true. He is the one who knows that he has killd a child and have to live with it for the rest of his life AND he wanted to meet Michael to talk "man to man" or something like that.
I have also seen the ISBN publication number but I have not found the book .
I really don`t understand why they tried so hard to stop the book. Can there bo more to reveal?
Sorry I`m not very good at writing in english
>>By Swedish reader (Friday, 31 Jan 2003 09:16)
Jan 31, 2003
Hi, Swedish reader --
Only have one disagreement with you -- your English is excellent! Limited time now, will reply more later....
>>By amibinned (Friday, 31 Jan 2003 12:38)
Thanks!
>>By Swedish reader (Friday, 31 Jan 2003 13:00)
Hello,
Pacemaker posted a rather long text here. Lynn and Buddy complained that it was copied from Allreaders and was originally written by Buddy. So I disabled this post.
Please do not copy text from other websites into these boards.
Thank you.
>>By mg (Sunday, 2 Feb 2003 12:02)
Hello mg,
Thank you. I too post at Allreaders and had suggested it as an alternate message board since activity here was very low (key word being "was", not true lately tho'). Sorry if this led to you having to intervene. May I ask a few questions though, please? Who are you? How are the GNOD boards monitored? Are there netiquette rules somewhere here for the GNOD site/message board?
Again, thanks and sorry....
>>By amibinned (Sunday, 2 Feb 2003 15:38)
Hi Amibinned,
who I am.. my name is Marek. I run this site. Trying hard to make everyone happy :o)
Monitoring.. well, currently I do not publish details about the monitoring system. Maybe in the future.
Netiquette.. well, I prefer to keep things simple: feel free to post whatever you want. If the post is counterproductive, it will probably be deleted.
By the way, as there currently is no user-management in Gnod, better put no trust in the identety of people posting here. When I arrived here 5 mins ago, someone wrote a message pretending to be me or something. I deleted it and your answer to it, Amibinned. User-Management is already in the test-phase and will be live soon.
Thank you.
>>By mg (Sunday, 2 Feb 2003 18:26)
i think andy mcnab is great and i respect him of being in the sas
>>By scott eccleston (Sunday, 2 Feb 2003 19:21)
Thank you again, mg.
I didn't think that was a real answer, hence, my follow-up question. I do like it here, only wish there were time stamps so we could tell when messages post. Also, it's only lately that traffic here has picked up, that's why I had suggested alternative board. Will continue to visit here; hopefully, trolls will not.
One more follow-up question, if I may -- When I first arrived here (about August I think), only a very few names orbitted around McNab; over the last week or two there are now lots of related authors -- how did that happen?
Thanks again for the quick responses/follow-ups.
>>By amibinned (Sunday, 2 Feb 2003 20:43)
Hi
I'll ask you later amibinned, what's been happening here. Clearly something.
Questions:
Is this an Amazon off-shoot site (?) what with military books on the sideline.
Can we discuss all books military (?) inclusive authors of said books.
Is there a word limit?
>>By buddy (Sunday, 2 Feb 2003 22:35)
Amibinned,
> I do like it here, only wish there were time stamps so we could tell when messages post.
Timestamps will be visible soon.
> Will continue to visit here; hopefully, trolls will not.
I hope so too :o)
> When I first arrived here (about August I think), only a very few names orbitted around
> McNab; over the last week or two there are now lots of related authors -- how did that happen?
Gnod constantly learns about the outer world by interacting with the visitors.
>>By mg (Sunday, 2 Feb 2003 23:50)
Hi Buddy,
this is an independent site.
No rules. No limits. Peace.
>>By mg (Sunday, 2 Feb 2003 23:57)
Great, MG,
Well I'm new here, have read all visible postings and would be quite interested to know whose read what on the SAS front -my being a Brit/SAS widow, writer too...
Two Chris Ryan novels, one Andy McNab, one Johnny (Two Combs) Howard - read to date at this end -
Jack Ramsay 1st edition in the post
>>By buddy (Monday, 3 Feb 2003 00:40)
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