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Love & Death-The Murder of Kurt Cobain
This book is amazing...There is truly more evidence that proves that Kurt was murdered than there is to prove that he took his own life. I highly recommend any die-hard Kurt Cobain fan to read this...Whether you think he was murdered or not...it's still an extremely in depth look at this "suicide" that will make you think twice about what really happened the night of April 5, 1994. Max Wallace and Ian Halperin did a great a job with this book...In this book, for the first time ever...somebody in the Cobain family finally speaks out...Kurt Cobain's, Grandpa Leland speaks out and believes that his grandson was in fact murdered. Courtney Love's former lawyer and Frances Bean's former godmother even believes that Kurt was murdered and that the supposed 'suicide note' was forged. Also, hours and hours of recorded conversations that Tom Grant (The P.I. that was hired by Courtney Love to find Kurt during his supposed "missing days") had with Courtney Love shows Courtney's erratical behavior and her lies being caught. Tom Grant also says that he has evidence in the tapes that prove that Kurt was murdered but he will not release any of it until the case is re-opened. I just hope that this book is enough evidence to re-open the case so that the Seattle Police Department can do a PROPER INVESTIGATION. There is much much more startling, stunning, and shocking facts and evidence in this book that backs up that Kurt was murdered....The second i started reading this book i couldn't put it down....i finished reading it in like 1 day...I dont wanna give away too much cuz i think everyone should read it...and if you want this case to be re-opened then people need to write t.v.stations and urge them to talk about re-opening the case so that there is so much media pressure that the Seattle Police Department will have no choice but to re-open the case...so if you'd like to help then
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I urge everyone to do as much as they can to help re-open the case....

>>By odnanref   (Wednesday, 19 May 2004 19:07)



is it possible to still buy the book?

>>By Cookie8Monster   (Thursday, 20 May 2004 01:35)



hell ya...you can buy in any book store...it's still kinda new..it came out the around the same time of Kurt's 10th anniversary of his death.....if you go to a barne's and noble you can definitely find it in the "arts" section...

>>By odnanref   (Thursday, 20 May 2004 17:53)



...odnenraf... Courtny did NOT kill him. You are just looking for someone to blame because you think he was king shit. ...i still think he was the new age Jesus. I like Heavier than heavan because of the pics.

>>By #3loserwithpride   (Friday, 21 May 2004 03:29)



i saw the book out like a year ago though or somethin like that, i just didnt have the money to buy it then, but now u can't find it so i was just wonderin was it banned in canada or somethin? cuz i think i heard somethin bout that

>>By Cookie8Monster   (Tuesday, 25 May 2004 06:11)



actually, the book came out last month...in april....and I doubt it was banned in Canada....there's no reason why it would've been......

>>By odnanref   (Tuesday, 25 May 2004 16:26)



then how did i see it??? im scared...

>>By Cookie8Monster   (Wednesday, 26 May 2004 05:57)



lol....you probably saw a different book....probably 'who killed kurt cobain'...it's the same authors and they wrote that several years ago....

>>By odnanref   (Wednesday, 26 May 2004 16:22)



i looked through it and it was all in kurt's writing and it had like (im not exactly sure) but it said something along the lines of "dear diary", obviously not in the exact words...
ok wait... now im kinda lost... (i was kinda tired when i first posted... ) are we talkin bout love & death of kurt or his journal?? either way i wanna buy both

>>By Cookie8Monster   (Thursday, 27 May 2004 05:39)



I read this book (in the first two days of buying it) -- and anybody who thinks they know anything about Kurt Cobain's death should read this book, it will give you new insight!

>>By JrzyGirl   (Sunday, 30 May 2004 02:32)



WHICH BOOK???

>>By Cookie8Monster   (Sunday, 30 May 2004 08:43)



"Love & Death: The Murder of Kurt Cobain"

I bought the book at Target -- so you can pretty much get this book anywhere!
"Journals"

Was written by Cobain himself -- this book was taken from different notebooks that belonged to him (its got a read cover -- and again you probably can this book online or at Barnes and Noble, or Borders)

>>By JrzyGirl   (Sunday, 30 May 2004 20:57)



i wanna get "journals" and maybe love and death, but i definitely want journals

>>By Cookie8Monster   (Tuesday, 8 Jun 2004 06:09)



I am personally against the book "Journals" only cuz i know Kurt wouldn't have wanted anyone to read his most personal thoughts. This book was given permission to be exploited by Kurt's murderer....Courtney Love....She received a reported 4.5 million bucks for this book....i do belielve that if you were a true Kurt Cobain fan you wouldn't think twice about touching or reading this book....it's a complete invasion of privacy....here's a quote from Kurt after someone had stolen some of his journals/notebooks..."The most violating thing i've felt this year is not the media exaggerations or the catty gossip, but the rape of my personal thoughts....Ripped out of pages from my stay in hospitals and aeroplane rides, hotel stays etc...I feel compelled to say "fuck you"...Fuck you to those of you who have absolutely no regard for me as a person...You have raped me harder than you'll ever know" ...here's another quote from Kurt stating that he has never wanted people to know what he's thinking...""I just don't like to get intimate. I don't want anyone to know what I feel and what I think, and if they can't get some kind of an idea of what sort of person I am through my music, then that's too bad."....So, do you really think Kurt would've wanted anyone to read the book "journals"...i dont think so....also know that each time a book is purchased you are depositing money into Courtney Love's (Kurt's murderer) bank account....

>>By odnanref   (Tuesday, 8 Jun 2004 21:30)



I think that fact that Kurt didn’t want people to read his most internal thoughts is the reason that people want to run out and buy this book – a friend of mine bought the book and I did read it – its sad – but not in a bad way. I think there should be a published list as to what rights Love owes about the band… for example who owns the rights to the T-shirts, posters, or DVDs. It seems like every couple of months they are re-leasing something from Nirvana or Cobain. We don’t want to support her – however our ignorance is enlarging her account. Personally I think you can get to know Kurt just by listening to his music – not everything in life has to be dissected.

>>By JrzyGirl   (Tuesday, 8 Jun 2004 22:04)



personally i dont think that journals should be read, but since it has been published and millions have already read it, kurt's privacy cant be invaded any more. as for understanding everything from his music, u can understand more from his journal cuz thats where he writes what he knows no one is ever gonna hear (or what he thought no one was gonna read/hear) whereas his songs somewhere subconciously even though he was saying what he wanted he kept some stuff back

>>By Cookie8Monster   (Monday, 14 Jun 2004 19:57)



I just can't imagine any of the stuff that i write being exposed to the world after i die...yeah yeah yeah i know that i'll be dead and it shouldn't matter...but how would i be able to rest in peace....that's why when i die i want my family to destroy all my writings and such....that's why i just can't bring myself to read "Journals"....i treat people in situations the same way i want to be treated in the same scenario....althought that doesn't justify people will treat me the same way i treat them...i still can't do something to someone if i dont want it to be done to me....<---does that make any sense...n e ways...but i can definitely understand the fascination people have with "Journals"...

>>By odnanref   (Monday, 14 Jun 2004 21:27)



it's hard to say if he really did not want people to read them or not. in the beginning of the journal book on the last page he sais after the first statement ok i'm leaving for work now. feel free to look through my diary and try to figure me out. mabey he was just being facetiouse . I would want people to look at my diary after i'm gone. i remember reading my granparents letters and postcards they sent to one another during the war. they put alot of detailed things about themselves . i learned alot about them after they past away and i hardly knew them while they were living. it's to bad i read all of journals before i found out he would of felt "raped" by it. shit.

>>By #3loserwithpride   (Tuesday, 15 Jun 2004 15:13)



even if he did say that i still think that somewhere deep inside he wanted someone to truly understand him, otherwise he wouldnt have written that line, even as a joke
as for others reading my journal, i guess i wouldnt mind after i die cuz maybe then people will know why ive done so much of what i've done and how i truly felt bout some things, although if someone read it now, yea i would feet "raped"

>>By Cookie8Monster   (Thursday, 17 Jun 2004 03:36)



There is so much that one-person experiences in there lifetime. “Personal” journals are one of the few ways to read the inter-workings of a person’s mind, and to understand living from there perspective. Its hard to say what Kurt would of wanted – as much fans are we are – we don’t know his true wishes – perhaps he was in conflict with himself about his own writings.

>>By JrzyGirl   (Saturday, 19 Jun 2004 02:47)



i totally understand what u mean about the conflict with the writing bcuz im exactly the same way with my writing

>>By Cookie8Monster   (Monday, 21 Jun 2004 09:55)



Because he is dead, it really doesn't matter what we read nor what we think with respect to Kurt. The principle I think matters most is who is benefitting from this journal? Principles only make sense when they relate to the present and to those still alive. So if Courtny is making bank off of this journal then that is where the discussion should occur. As for the privacy, we as readers and fans only owe our responsibilities to ourselves. In other words, if you do read it, remember that you will be influenced by his personal writings. These writings may or may not represent his true thoughts, so it should be perceived as such. It isn't fair to ourselves to use his journal as a means to really describe this man. I just consider the obscurity words can become and the obscurity of perception itself. As for Ms. Love, she has to live with the truth. If we are lucky enough to discover that truth (with regard to his death) then we will be in a much better position to make judgements.

>>By Hume Ungus   (Monday, 21 Jun 2004 22:59)



Somewhat unrelated....I just saw some interview with a lady who is putting out a book of letters sent by Tupac from prison. Supposedly these are very personal in nature, and that's probably why she is trying to make money off of them. I guess the bottom line speaks loudest and value is nothing if not monetary in nature. Or maybe Im just cynical in connecting her publishing this book with her need to jumpstart her shitty acting career. Makes me repulsed by our superficial American ways. At some point people may realize that Tupac wrote fifth-grade poetry which in turn will spark a working literacy program for people in this country. R U Still Down?

>>By Hume Ungus   (Tuesday, 22 Jun 2004 14:59)



tupacs poetry may not be as good (i dont know i dont listen to tupac so dont go judging and saying i dont like him bcuz i never said that) but there is something meaningful in kurt's poetry and it may or may not be what he's truly feeling either way that lady should not be publishing tupacs letter's cuz that's just a stupid imitation of courtney and she's just trying to make money, btw how did she get the letters?

>>By Cookie8Monster   (Sunday, 4 Jul 2004 00:31)



if you ask me, people like Tupac and Kurt Cobain are freaken saints. MUSIC IS A POWERFUL MEDIA!

>>By #3loserwithpride   (Friday, 1 Oct 2004 19:19)



One thing to keep in mind about the death of Kurt Cobain is that, you can drive an already-suicidal person to act and thus kill them without being the one to pull the trigger. I think a person like Courtney was obviously the wrong person for someone like Kurt to be with...I think her strength appealed to him, and that he didn't realize she was a power-junkie who would eventually use his own fears and doubts against him.
Whether he was murdered or not, I don't know, but I do firmly believe he'd be alive today were it not for her.
On a happier note, anyone wanna share their favorite Cobain lyrics? I kinda like "Sliver" but it's so hard to pick, I could name a few as my fave and not be lying.

>>By Just Jon   (Saturday, 2 Oct 2004 07:13)



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